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markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 08:05 PM Feb 2015

HuffPo: Democrat Says Obama Administration Dodging Request To Read Trade Deals Without Restrictions

[font size=5]Democrat Says Obama Administration Dodging Request To Read Trade Deals Without Restrictions[/font]



WASHINGTON -- A Democratic congressman has accused the Obama administration of dodging his request for "unimpeded" access to two controversial trade agreements -- reigniting a dispute over transparency as the president presses legislators for so-called "fast-track" authority, which would block members of Congress from offering amendments to either deal.

Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas), a senior member of the House Ways and Means Committee, wants to view an unredacted copy of the proposed text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP). He wants to bring his chief of staff, who has a top security clearance, and he wants to be able to take notes privately. He also wants to review documents that show the position of each country participating in the agreements, as well how the U.S. position has changed over the course of the negotiations.

In a letter this week, Doggett accused Michael Froman, the United States Trade Representative (USTR), of avoiding his requests since January. "USTR has provided no legal justification for denying such Member and staff review," wrote Doggett.

The text of TPP is treated as a state secret -- to a degree. Access to TPP texts is limited to members of Congress and staffers on the Senate Finance Committee and House Ways and Means Committee who have an official security clearance. Hundreds of corporate lobbyists and executives are also given access, along with dozens of representatives of labor unions, nonprofits and other consumer groups.

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HuffPo: Democrat Says Obama Administration Dodging Request To Read Trade Deals Without Restrictions (Original Post) markpkessinger Feb 2015 OP
TPP is public information. Everyone should be able to read the full text before it goes for a vote Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #1
This is a perversion MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #2
We've become accustomed to 'the authorities' hiding 'state secrets' from the public 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #3
But..But...But... BrotherIvan Feb 2015 #4
Yeah, if it's so damn good for us all, let's see it!!! Scuba Feb 2015 #5
But, but . . . markpkessinger Feb 2015 #6
We just need to trust our corporate overlords. hay rick Feb 2015 #7
.... Our heads 840high Feb 2015 #8
"Access to TPP texts is limited to members of Congress ..." pampango Feb 2015 #9
He wants to see an "unredacted" copy of the agreement riderinthestorm Feb 2015 #10
It was not clear in the article what "redactions" he was referring to. pampango Feb 2015 #11
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
3. We've become accustomed to 'the authorities' hiding 'state secrets' from the public
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 08:32 PM
Feb 2015

thanks to 9/11 and the Endless War on Terrah.

But We the People do NOT get to have any secrets (see NSA 25/7 100% penetration surveillance of US public)

hay rick

(7,633 posts)
7. We just need to trust our corporate overlords.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 10:47 PM
Feb 2015

If we or one of our elected representatives ever saw unredacted copies of TPP or TTIP all of our heads would explode.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
9. "Access to TPP texts is limited to members of Congress ..."
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:02 AM
Feb 2015

I did not realize that all members of congress had access to it now. I thought they wouldn't be able to see what was in it until after negotiations were completed and it was submitted to congress.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
10. He wants to see an "unredacted" copy of the agreement
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:04 AM
Feb 2015

That seems as though there are restrictions. I know they also are not allowed to take notes.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
11. It was not clear in the article what "redactions" he was referring to.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 09:28 AM
Feb 2015
... all members of Congress are provided access to the classified TPP negotiating texts and U.S. proposals.

"We have been in touch with Congressman Doggett’s office regarding his request to review negotiating texts, but we have not yet been provided a time when he is available," said Bates.

Leslie Tisdale, a spokeswoman for Doggett, confirmed that the congressman's office received a call after they sent the letter to Froman. She said USTR "has said 'when do you want to come in for the review' -- but it's not a meaningful review." She added that the Congressman "can't take notes, it's not private [and] all of these things we outlined in the letter are still not addressed."

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), who has viewed the text of TPP, told HuffPost that he found the process beyond burdensome.

Doggett's spokeswoman did not repeat anything about 'redactions' in her response to the USTR's contact. Neither did Grayson mention 'redactions'. It would be good to know what Goggett was referring to.

I agree. It does sound like there are too many restrictions, but at least congress does have access to it.
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