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no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:44 PM Feb 2015

Waiting for the other shoe to drop

My SO has been asked by his friend to buy a rifle for him. The friend can't because he has a criminal record. Apparently if you live in Pennsylvania, you can't directly purchase a weapon but a third party can buy it and then give it to you.

And this friend doesn't sound like the kind of guy you would want with one more gun. That's right. He already has two and "needs" another one.

He's convinced there's going to be a "revolution" in this country and he wants to shoot any marauder who goes on his property (rural) due to expected cut-off of food, to shoot deer (same reason), to "defend" himself.

Considering there are no circumstances as of today that would warrant such extreme "protection", I sadly expect to hear a story in the future where that new gun is indiscriminately used against other people, just because this "friend" is unreasonably afraid.

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Waiting for the other shoe to drop (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Feb 2015 OP
Your SO should say NO Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #1
I feel the same way Kelvin. no_hypocrisy Feb 2015 #2
Straw purchases are illegal in Pennsylvania MohRokTah Feb 2015 #3
Then the OP needs to point that out to their SO Kelvin Mace Feb 2015 #5
they are also federally illegal onethatcares Feb 2015 #7
The only response is "no." Warpy Feb 2015 #4
He's trying to get your SO to aid him in commiting a crime together. He's no friend. Electric Monk Feb 2015 #6
That is illegal. It's a straw purchase. dballance Feb 2015 #8
yep HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #9
Thank all of you. no_hypocrisy Feb 2015 #10
I'm wondering why your SO is friends with this person? Avalux Feb 2015 #11
My SO has the simple mindset of a child since his bypass surgery. no_hypocrisy Feb 2015 #13
It's illegal under Federal law and your SO risks a 10 year jail sentence and/or a Lurks Often Feb 2015 #12
Why in the world would anyone even consider... 99Forever Feb 2015 #14
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
1. Your SO should say NO
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:47 PM
Feb 2015

and walk away.

If he does buy the gun (a straw man purchase) I would walk away from them, since while it MAY not be illegal, it is immoral and unethical. If anyone dies or is harmed with that gun, you SO will have blood on their hands.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
5. Then the OP needs to point that out to their SO
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:15 PM
Feb 2015

Personally, I am not going to jail to accommodate someone's dangerous paranoid delusions.

onethatcares

(16,169 posts)
7. they are also federally illegal
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:34 PM
Feb 2015

tell him to buy his own gun from an unregulated seller, you know a private sale.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
4. The only response is "no."
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:06 PM
Feb 2015

Not only is this illegal, it's nonsensical since guns+paranoia=very bad things happening.

In fact, I'd be tempted to drop a dime on the guy and report that he seems to be building an arsenal so he'll be ready when "The Turner Diaries" comes true.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
6. He's trying to get your SO to aid him in commiting a crime together. He's no friend.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:17 PM
Feb 2015

If it were me, I'd take it a step further than just saying no. I'd drop a dime on him and let the cops know he has guns in his possession already despite being prohibited. He sounds precisely like the sort of person who should not have guns at all.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
8. That is illegal. It's a straw purchase.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:46 PM
Feb 2015

Your SO should say NO, I can't do that because it is against the law. Then, he should probably end his contact with that "friend." Friends do not ask friends to break the law.

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
10. Thank all of you.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:23 PM
Feb 2015

I showed my SO Pennsylvania and federal law about the straw purchase of firearms.

He's more dedicated to his yellow card (and freedom) than his friend's need to be armed.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
11. I'm wondering why your SO is friends with this person?
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:27 PM
Feb 2015

This request alone and the reasoning behind it would be enough distance myself from him. What's his criminal record?

no_hypocrisy

(46,117 posts)
13. My SO has the simple mindset of a child since his bypass surgery.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 10:18 AM
Feb 2015

He just wanted to help out a guy he felt sorry for. He was going to be reimbursed for the cost of purchasing the rifle and he trusted that the weapon would not be used for nefarious purposes.

OTOH, he refused to see that his friend's views about a potential "Revolution" (read insurrection) in this country and sun flares (knocking out the power grid) were not based on reality and real potential. I suppose he thought his friend would be pacified by having one more rifle in the closet and it wouldn't be used. I beg to differ. With all these stories online about "nice" people with guns who gave out obvious warnings ahead of time . . . . . .

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
12. It's illegal under Federal law and your SO risks a 10 year jail sentence and/or a
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 02:30 PM
Feb 2015

$100,000 dollar fine if ATF choses to prosecute. If used in a crime, your SO stands a pretty good chance of seeing jail time since he knowingly sold a firearm to a criminal.

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