Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:25 PM Feb 2015

Scott Walker does not have a college degree.

MSNBC was talking about this earlier, saying it could negatively impact his "biography" and appeal in the general election. Of course having a college degree is not a requirement for being president, but it is pretty universally expected.

135 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Scott Walker does not have a college degree. (Original Post) MoonRiver Feb 2015 OP
Walker is a tool but it makes us look like elitists to criticize him for not finishing college./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #1
I'm not criticizing him, just stating a fact, MoonRiver Feb 2015 #4
You can include Washington, Lincoln, Jackson, Wilson, and Truman... TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2015 #77
NO, I'm talking about the image/perception of competency that MoonRiver Feb 2015 #82
Good luck winning the presidency AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #116
Lincoln was a lawyer, how could he have not had a degree? treestar Feb 2015 #123
Here ya go. TampaAnimusVortex Feb 2015 #125
There was a public service announcement several years ago Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #132
In those days both doctors and lawyers took apprentices, so much of what students learned was hands-on Hekate Feb 2015 #133
Oh thanks for that. I had forgotten that concept. treestar Feb 2015 #134
Remembering fine details in college work Joe Turner Feb 2015 #126
It is not elitist... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #13
Actually... his majors were reportedly close to mine FBaggins Feb 2015 #17
That is sad Kalidurga Feb 2015 #24
Jesuit schools are perhaps bigger on "the end justifies the means" than on critical thinking. Scuba Feb 2015 #22
Oh I had no idea... Kalidurga Feb 2015 #29
And Squat Wanker is as sceevy as they come. Scuba Feb 2015 #33
He has admitted, on video, that he wants to divide and conquer the working class of America randys1 Feb 2015 #54
That has not been my experience at all. mrs_p Feb 2015 #67
Maybe Walker missed the critical thinking curriculum. Scuba Feb 2015 #81
That I could believe. mrs_p Feb 2015 #85
Yeah, spelling, math and ethics for sure. Scuba Feb 2015 #86
The poster who said that has no idea what the Jesuits stand for. You are correct, they are the Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #120
I was practically raised by them mrs_p Feb 2015 #122
He left senior year so he got some of what you mentioned yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #37
while trying to cut funding for the University of Wisconsin by $300 million CreekDog Feb 2015 #47
After 4 years of college, he was still 34 credits short of his degree. snacker Feb 2015 #80
You sound impressed with him. tenderfoot Feb 2015 #83
I wouldn't vote for him yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #84
As business majors we took science and upaloopa Feb 2015 #102
A college degree has the standing that a high school degree used to have. pnwmom Feb 2015 #98
I expect my President to be elite. I don't want an average Joe for president Drahthaardogs Feb 2015 #119
It is not the lack of a degree that is the issue. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #129
Oh my, do tell! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #130
From another thread, my thanks to malaise for finding it. Half-Century Man Feb 2015 #131
Awesome! 2naSalit Feb 2015 #135
There are many who will vote for him for that reason edhopper Feb 2015 #2
The Know-Nothing Party is alive and well. CanonRay Feb 2015 #8
In other words, "that's a feature, not a bug"! bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #20
Yes edhopper Feb 2015 #43
Sorry - got that wrong. el_bryanto Feb 2015 #3
Psssst, you forgot the sarcasm smilie. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #5
No problem. They're all basically the same, ignorant aholes. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #16
Im afraid he can turn that to an advantage among the rednecks. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #6
What a waste of breathable air. egduj Feb 2015 #7
Only 29 percent of Americans have a degree yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #38
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess they were joking. n/t prayin4rain Feb 2015 #46
Maybe your right. Lol. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #58
Actually they pretty much are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #55
Whatever. Your sole opinion. yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #60
Yup. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #61
That's good. I like him too yeoman6987 Feb 2015 #62
I believe so, although if we go a bit farther back Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #64
Tesla was a tech college dropout back in Austria before he immigrated. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #68
No, it's not disgusting. But it might factor into the election. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #48
I want to know if he has human DNA olddots Feb 2015 #9
He's a college drop out.... DonViejo Feb 2015 #10
I've read reports its more like a full year GusBob Feb 2015 #25
Marquette university forthemiddle Feb 2015 #40
K bros are buying a lot of colleges with large donations. oldandhappy Feb 2015 #11
A lack of college degree may help Walker with the teaparty base Gothmog Feb 2015 #12
I was talking about the GENERAL election, were he to win the primary. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #19
The Democrats will probably not make a big deal about this Gothmog Feb 2015 #89
The issue will have already been raised in the primary. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #91
It may not be an issue for the GOP base Gothmog Feb 2015 #92
The clown car jokers will find a way to skewer him with it. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #94
So might wearing a coonskin cap and slinging a flintlock musket aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #107
smarts are not required for R's holding office. Case in point - Dubya Lil Missy Feb 2015 #14
He had the academic credentials, even if he bought them. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #21
Jesus H. Christ---Even PALIN has a college degree. Paladin Feb 2015 #15
Palin and so many though are educated idiots! Lots of those!!! TheNutcracker Feb 2015 #18
It's all about image! MoonRiver Feb 2015 #23
IMO, he has replaced MItt as the new avatar and has the best odds to be the next POTUS. CK_John Feb 2015 #26
Didn't work out so well for Mitt though. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #27
I don't think we have heard the last of Mitt. CK_John Feb 2015 #32
You can say it's elitist all you want to expect POTUS to have a degree, but IMO we have onecaliberal Feb 2015 #28
Not having a degree DOES NOT equal stupid. Not having a degree DOES NOT equal "without education". cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #66
+1 Go Vols Feb 2015 #71
Uh-huh. Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #88
This message was self-deleted by its author aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #106
To me it's the reason he doesn't have one ... GeorgeGist Feb 2015 #30
Or Steve Jobs. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #35
Well let's just keep setting that bar lower for what we expect out of our Presidents. dilby Feb 2015 #31
The gut has always picked the President. CK_John Feb 2015 #34
So? Egnever Feb 2015 #36
Imagine if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton did not have a college degree YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #39
+1 MoonRiver Feb 2015 #45
What classes from his last semester do you think are essential for a president? DesMoinesDem Feb 2015 #41
For me, it's in the context of Walker's policy assaults on public employees in Wisconsin YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #42
Sorry, but I'm not attacking him. Just stating a fact. MoonRiver Feb 2015 #49
Another "quitter" like Palin. They would certainly make a great team... CTyankee Feb 2015 #44
Scott Walker is the very definition of "Career Politician" tenderfoot Feb 2015 #50
Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were also college dropouts kwassa Feb 2015 #51
Have Gates or Jobs run for office? tenderfoot Feb 2015 #78
If they had... philosslayer Feb 2015 #93
Probably. Would that stop you from voting for them? tenderfoot Feb 2015 #96
As some pundit said, the more interesting question is why? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #52
Truman did not have one either. 840high Feb 2015 #53
That was over half a century ago YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #56
That's ok. He was a good prez. 840high Feb 2015 #63
A college education =/= merely "book knowledge" YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #65
That doesn't mean a person without a college degree would be the best qualified today. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #99
Bush has one. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #57
Most TEA BAGGERS SNEAR at yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #59
Did you know that YarnAddict Feb 2015 #108
OKAY so does this mean you yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #110
The problem is YarnAddict Feb 2015 #112
So you are here to solve those problems yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #113
Nope. Just point them out. n/t YarnAddict Feb 2015 #114
Maybe it be more clear if yuiyoshida Feb 2015 #115
Actually, it's the reason why that's important KamaAina Feb 2015 #69
MU says YarnAddict Feb 2015 #109
Bill Gates dropped out of college but founded and ran an extremely successful company. spin Feb 2015 #70
I would not want to vote for even highly successful tech guys who don't have a degree aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #111
That sounds fair to me. ... spin Feb 2015 #118
So far down my concern tree that he'll be dead before I get to it. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #72
NOT TRUE. He has a degree from The International College of Metaphysical Theology HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #73
So? bigwillq Feb 2015 #74
So...his lack of erudition makes him tremendously reliant on advisors HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #75
I would guess that most major politicians rely on advisors. bigwillq Feb 2015 #76
Agreed. Most people don't major in "Being Governor" so it's not really relevant. arcane1 Feb 2015 #103
There is a lot to criticize about Walker, but this is not a big deal to me. Throd Feb 2015 #79
Well, Scotty is somewhere in between that HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #90
I don't care. I think many don't. n/t Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #87
This shouldn't be an issue jmowreader Feb 2015 #95
But his lack of a college degree is connected to his dangerous ideas. pnwmom Feb 2015 #100
He was working on a degree in ECONOMICs... now WI debt is near $3B and Scott is skipping payments HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #101
He'll pay more for Auto insurance ;-) Bonx Feb 2015 #97
People can educate themselves if they have curious minds, which I'm not sure conservatives have aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #104
Now claiming a college degree and not having one is a pink elephant......n/t suston96 Feb 2015 #105
Congress will probably provide him education money so he can get one of those online degrees. nt valerief Feb 2015 #117
Here's a thought... this country has been FUCKED nine ways from Sunday by... BY... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #121
But he's got HIGH KOCHS! DeSwiss Feb 2015 #124
I hate to disillusion them but not having a degree is a big plus among a lot of Americans tularetom Feb 2015 #127
Scott Walker doen't have a clue. JEB Feb 2015 #128

TampaAnimusVortex

(785 posts)
77. You can include Washington, Lincoln, Jackson, Wilson, and Truman...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 07:05 PM
Feb 2015

And of course there's Jobs, Ford, Gates, Spielberg, Rockefeller Sr, and Zuckerberg

Degrees only mean you have some minimal amount of exposure to various subjects, not that you retained any of it or can use it any better than the average Joe. Pretty elitist...

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
82. NO, I'm talking about the image/perception of competency that
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 09:02 PM
Feb 2015

is needed in current politics to get elected president.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
123. Lincoln was a lawyer, how could he have not had a degree?
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 01:29 AM
Feb 2015

How is it elitist to value a degree or education?

the entire problem with this country is the lack of respect for education.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
132. There was a public service announcement several years ago
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:45 AM
Feb 2015

which showed Abraham Lincoln trying to apply for a job.

"'Lincoln', huh? What sort of college experience do you have?" asks the interviewer.

"Well, I studied law on my own..."

"Sorry, fella, you ain't going nowhere without that sheepskin," snaps the interviewer, as a dejected look comes over Lincoln's face.

Then the announcer says, "To get a good job, you need a good education".

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
133. In those days both doctors and lawyers took apprentices, so much of what students learned was hands-on
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 03:48 AM
Feb 2015

Once medical schools were set up, they set the requirements for an MD, not just passing exams but being male. Passing exams mattered; the degree mattered. That's how midwives got marginalized and got the reputation for being dirty and ignorant. They were excluded from formal medical education and outlawed.

As for lawyers, to this day the most important qualification is passing the Bar Exam. You can get your JD from Harvard or from a little regional law school, but if you have not passed the Bar you cannot call yourself a lawyer.

Iirc, Lincoln clerked for a lawyer and studied intensively on his own. I really don't recall the details of his biography, whether he was able to afford to attend a school of law for a time or not, but he passed the Bar.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
134. Oh thanks for that. I had forgotten that concept.
Tue Feb 24, 2015, 01:34 PM
Feb 2015

All you had to do was "read" the law and clerk for another lawyer back in those days. Then you could take the bar exam. Now they make you have a law degree and law schools won't take you without a college degree. Maybe there are some states left that let you take the bar based on "reading" the law. Would be interesting if anyone has tried that recently!

 

Joe Turner

(930 posts)
126. Remembering fine details in college work
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:18 PM
Feb 2015

is not the point. A good college education teaches one to reason at a higher level and better appreciate the complexities of life. These days there should be an expectation that the person running for high office have a college degree. But this is just another black mark on this corrupt Koch-head dope.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. It is not elitist...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

Maybe it does look that way to some people who have not been to college. I have four years of college behind me, I am a few credits short of a degree and having that experience in college is very important.

It is very difficult IMO to go through college without developing a deeper perspective of the world, some critical thinking skills, and communication skills.

Scott Walkers lack of education shows. I wouldn't automatically think no degree, but it is clear that he skipped the kinds of courses that develope critical thinking, so I would think business major. No offense to business majors many do a whole lot of other kinds of things that help them be well rounded, Scott Walker isn't one of those types though.

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
17. Actually... his majors were reportedly close to mine
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

There was an article a little over a year ago that reported him as triple-majoring in poli-sci, philosophy, and econ.

Two of the three require decent thinking skills, but his GPA was a middlin-fair ~2.6 - so that's not much evidence either way.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
22. Jesuit schools are perhaps bigger on "the end justifies the means" than on critical thinking.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:53 PM
Feb 2015

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
29. Oh I had no idea...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

I have only been to college in Minnesota. I rarely run into conservatives here and when I do they really make an impression. I actually over heard a girl saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people" granted that isn't proof that she is a conservative, but comments like that are rare. The few people I have run into that are devout Christians also tend to be liberal. So, I am truly baffled when someone that close to a degree seems so very lost when it comes to having a philosophical idea that promotes the well being of people. He comes off as a bully and someone who is willing to do sceevy things for finacial gain.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
54. He has admitted, on video, that he wants to divide and conquer the working class of America
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:42 PM
Feb 2015

I mean my god people, how STUPID can you GET?

mrs_p

(3,014 posts)
67. That has not been my experience at all.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:04 PM
Feb 2015

Jesuit schools often require extra courses in liberal arts that emphasize critical thought. Maybe I missed your meaning?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
120. The poster who said that has no idea what the Jesuits stand for. You are correct, they are the
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:35 PM
Feb 2015

scholars of the Church and value science and knowledge very much.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
37. He left senior year so he got some of what you mentioned
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:23 PM
Feb 2015

I heard he is taking night classes to finish up before the election.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
84. I wouldn't vote for him
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 09:31 PM
Feb 2015

But I won't knock someone for a life decision and trying to fix the decision. He has almost 100 percent of the issues wrong in my opinion.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
102. As business majors we took science and
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:04 PM
Feb 2015

philosophy. Most of us learned critical thinking long before college. Many of us had parents who taught us to be critical thinkers. Some of us had great high school teachers who taught us the importance of being open minded and to not agree with bull shit stereotypes like those that plague much of DU.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
98. A college degree has the standing that a high school degree used to have.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:49 PM
Feb 2015

Would it be elitist to require that someone had a high school degree?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
119. I expect my President to be elite. I don't want an average Joe for president
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:29 PM
Feb 2015

The average Joe has an IQ of 100. That is too dumb to be in charge of the world 's largest nuclear arsenal. I don't want an average quarterback for my football team either.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
129. It is not the lack of a degree that is the issue.
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 09:25 PM
Feb 2015

He went to a very expensive upper level university for 3.5 years and left under currently unexplained circumstances. There was a very public scandal when he cheated in a student election (including the attempted suppression of the press, manually collecting and disposing of the college newspaper)and still lost badly.

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
130. Oh my, do tell!
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 10:16 PM
Feb 2015

That's a pretty big thing. Maybe it wasn't his idea to leave school when he did and has been lying about it - I think he said he got his mate pregnant or something - to cover his true colors.

In my travels I have found that a college douchbag grows up to be a major douchbag in most cases. I would like to see all the warts, hairs and ugly-demon-nightmares from his past ooze up and haunt him indefinitely.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
2. There are many who will vote for him for that reason
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:28 PM
Feb 2015

a lot of anti-intellectuals in this country. It hasn't hurt him with the morons in WI.
The question is are there enough idiots in the rest of the country to not make it matter.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
43. Yes
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:40 PM
Feb 2015

among many Republicans, hating science is a plus, and other blind voters don't think it's important.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
3. Sorry - got that wrong.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:29 PM
Feb 2015

I got Walker confused with Rand Paul. As there is a story about him in the news today.

Bryant

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
6. Im afraid he can turn that to an advantage among the rednecks.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:30 PM
Feb 2015

Don't need no elitist collitch iddikated fool trine ta run things. We need someone with the common sense God gave an earthworm (and not much more).

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
38. Only 29 percent of Americans have a degree
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:27 PM
Feb 2015

I guess Mark Zuckerburg and Bill Gatez are disgusting to you. They don't seem very successful I guess.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
55. Actually they pretty much are.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:43 PM
Feb 2015

But not because of their lack of college degrees. They're both perfect examples of 'savvy businessmen' who used the work of others while cutting those other people out of the loop when it came to sucking up the resulting profits. Perfect vulture capitalists.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
62. That's good. I like him too
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:55 PM
Feb 2015

However he has degrees. We need to find someone successful who doesn't have a degree........Steve Jobs perhaps?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
64. I believe so, although if we go a bit farther back
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:59 PM
Feb 2015

wasn't Edison himself just a self-taught kind of fellow?

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
9. I want to know if he has human DNA
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:33 PM
Feb 2015

or a brain and heart so the anti itellectuals can go drool over Jenny McCarthy's ta-tas somewhere else .

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
10. He's a college drop out....
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:33 PM
Feb 2015

He quit Marquette University one semester before his graduation. There's a lot of speculation about why he dropped out but, nothing proven as of yet.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
25. I've read reports its more like a full year
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:59 PM
Feb 2015

Neither he nor the University are real forthcoming on the specifics.....some are claiming he is 34 credits short of a degree.

it makes no never mind to me, but if he is gonna lie about it, or was "asked to leave" it makes a difference

forthemiddle

(1,379 posts)
40. Marquette university
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:50 PM
Feb 2015

Has stated, on the record, that he "left in good standing", but won't say anything more than that. Wisconsin Dems have been digging for years, and nothing more has come out. If the University refuses to change their statement, I don think anything scandalous will appear at this time.
Part of the problem with Walker is that he has been thoroughly vetted, so I would be surprised if this turns into anything more than a guy who left college early to take a job, and never returned. Not unlike the majority of American voters.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
11. K bros are buying a lot of colleges with large donations.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:34 PM
Feb 2015

I am sure they can arrange for him to get an honorary doctorate and give a speech at a graduation this Spring. gag

Gothmog

(145,289 posts)
12. A lack of college degree may help Walker with the teaparty base
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:34 PM
Feb 2015

The GOP is the party of anti-science and ignorance. Not having a college degree may help Walker with these idiots

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
19. I was talking about the GENERAL election, were he to win the primary.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:52 PM
Feb 2015

Teahadists do not dominate in general elections. If they did Sarah Palin would have been VP fore 6+ years and actively running for president.

Gothmog

(145,289 posts)
89. The Democrats will probably not make a big deal about this
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:18 PM
Feb 2015

There are a ton of other issues to attack Walker on in a general election campaign and attacking Walker on this issue would appear to be elitist

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
91. The issue will have already been raised in the primary.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 01:39 PM
Feb 2015

Everybody else in the clown car have post secondary degrees. Scott's lack of education will be a major tool for eliminating him from the primary pack.

Gothmog

(145,289 posts)
92. It may not be an issue for the GOP base
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 05:27 PM
Feb 2015

The tea party types hate people with educations and so Walker's lack of education may help him

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
94. The clown car jokers will find a way to skewer him with it.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:09 PM
Feb 2015

There's all kind of ways one can politely parse this to get the "not prepared/competent/informed enough to lead the country" message out.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
107. So might wearing a coonskin cap and slinging a flintlock musket
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:41 PM
Feb 2015

If he's lived in the woods so he knows every tree, that might be enough knowledge for them. These people are living 200 years in the past.

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
15. Jesus H. Christ---Even PALIN has a college degree.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:42 PM
Feb 2015

Scold me for elitism, and Lord knows I'd never vote for a dip like Walker, but I don't think it's too much to expect that presidential candidates have a successfully-completed college education. Further evidence (as if any was needed) of how this country is regressing.....

 

TheNutcracker

(2,104 posts)
18. Palin and so many though are educated idiots! Lots of those!!!
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 12:51 PM
Feb 2015

My point is Walker would still be an idiot with a college degree.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
28. You can say it's elitist all you want to expect POTUS to have a degree, but IMO we have
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

enough stupid to go around. There are many benefits to education. I NEVER EVER want a POTUS without education.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
66. Not having a degree DOES NOT equal stupid. Not having a degree DOES NOT equal "without education".
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
Feb 2015

Elitist AND ignorant.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
88. Uh-huh.
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 08:12 AM
Feb 2015

A lot of very successful persons don't have degrees. That doesn't mean they aren't learned.

I can't see why Walker would be any better for having finished a few more credits. What will matter in the election will be the agenda, not the diploma. Dwelling on that would weaken the message - it would make it look like one were grasping at straws!

Also I think trying to make an issue of it will be a turn-off to a lot of young people. They've grown up with very successful role models who didn't have degrees - a lot of them in the tech world. Their standard is to be so damned good that you don't have to finish college to get a job.

Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #66)

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
30. To me it's the reason he doesn't have one ...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:02 PM
Feb 2015

that's disturbing.

He was not a wunderkind like Bill Gates.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
31. Well let's just keep setting that bar lower for what we expect out of our Presidents.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:15 PM
Feb 2015

Hell, it will only be time before the Republicans put forth a candidate that has a GED or Christian Faith Home School of Science diploma and people will not think it's unusual at all. People are picking candidates based on likability and not if they can run a fucking country.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
39. Imagine if Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton did not have a college degree
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:41 PM
Feb 2015

Would they have gotten nearly as far as they did? Would the vast majority of Americans even know who they are? Somehow, I doubt it.

Women and persons of color have had to invest considerably more in educational attainment to even begin to achieve parity with the earnings of white men. Pardon me if I find it a sign of unearned privilege that someone like Walker not only didn't have to do that to achieve success in his career; but, in light of his vicious assaults on teachers and other public employees in Wisconsin, it is fair to say that Walker is making a political career out of right-wing anti-intellectual populism.

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
41. What classes from his last semester do you think are essential for a president?
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:07 PM
Feb 2015

Walker is an idiot, but so is this attack on him. Do you even know what classes that he missed? Why do you think that last semester of classes are so important? College degrees are more often than not useful for getting a job, but not necessary for that job. Exponentially so for a politician. I couldn't care less if anyone, especially a politician, graduated from college. A college degree doesn't mean you are smart, nor does a lack of college degree make you stupid. Bill Gates didn't graduate from college. Bush graduated from Yale...and Harvard!

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
42. For me, it's in the context of Walker's policy assaults on public employees in Wisconsin
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 02:18 PM
Feb 2015

and the fact that unlike the majority of Americans who don't graduate from college (or even have the opportunity to go), Walker chose not to finish his undergraduate studies-and still became very successful in politics. How many women or people of color could get away with that? How many people have had that choice?

It has nothing to do with smarts (or lack thereof), and everything to do with social privilege and an overall respect for education. Now, Walker has made a political career out of demagoguery against educated professionals (including teachers) in the public sector, and it's all paid for by the Koch Brothers and other wealthy right-wingers. Pardon me if I find all of this (in context) gross.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
49. Sorry, but I'm not attacking him. Just stating a fact.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:34 PM
Feb 2015

Image matters in elections. Bill Gates never ran for president. Dumbo probably bought his degrees, but he had them for his presidential resume.

tenderfoot

(8,437 posts)
50. Scott Walker is the very definition of "Career Politician"
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:35 PM
Feb 2015

He has literally done nothing else but run or serve in office.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
93. If they had...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 05:50 PM
Feb 2015

Would some be saying they weren't qualified because they didn't have college degrees?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
52. As some pundit said, the more interesting question is why?
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:40 PM
Feb 2015

They certainly made it sound like he started college and then left. Which makes me wonder if he had an 'Aqua Buddha' type of incident of his own, or if he just didn't have the intellect or the commitment.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
56. That was over half a century ago
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:45 PM
Feb 2015

And the relevant time period for Truman's young adulthood was over 100 years ago.

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
63. That's ok. He was a good prez.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:55 PM
Feb 2015

Book knowledge does not always translate to intelligence or common sense.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
65. A college education =/= merely "book knowledge"
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:01 PM
Feb 2015

Whatever that means.

And besides, Truman grew up in a time when very few Americans even went to college, let alone graduated. Doesn't seem very relevant today.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
59. Most TEA BAGGERS SNEAR at
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:48 PM
Feb 2015

Intelligence.. and think of smart people as SNOBS and selfish people. Its not true, of course, its normally educated people who make the best leaders, because they have in some form studied history and knows what direction the country should be lead.

For some reason, Republicans and Tea party members want someone who will react in a knee jerk way. Rush us off to war, for example, even if they have to make crap up, to do it.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
110. OKAY so does this mean you
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:48 PM
Feb 2015

don't agree with what I said, or is it that you gotta be anal enough to be my spell check?

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
112. The problem is
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:52 PM
Feb 2015

that when people are looking down on others as less intelligent, or less educated, they ought to at least be able to spell their insults.

This is the kind of thing that pops up on the Sites That Will Not Be Named.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
115. Maybe it be more clear if
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:00 PM
Feb 2015

Last edited Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:57 PM - Edit history (2)

I typed it out in Japanese, what ya think??


Imma just a Japanese girl!!
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
69. Actually, it's the reason why that's important
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:32 PM
Feb 2015

He got booted out of Marquette for cheating. The opposing campaign ads pretty much write themselves.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
109. MU says
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:46 PM
Feb 2015

he was in good standing. If you can prove otherwise, please post your proof.

The trouble is, if there was any "there" there, it would have come up in one of the last three elections that he won, in which every effort was made to find anything at all to pin on him. Nothing stuck.

This guy could be a problem.

spin

(17,493 posts)
70. Bill Gates dropped out of college but founded and ran an extremely successful company.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 04:32 PM
Feb 2015

But he does now have an honorary degree in law from Harvard.

I'm not saying college is overrated but many if not all of our elected politicians in Congress have one and that doesn't seem to have helped them solve our nation's problems.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
111. I would not want to vote for even highly successful tech guys who don't have a degree
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:49 PM
Feb 2015

at least not without seeing how broad a self-education they have. If they're really, really good at one thing and became millionaires, they may be idiot savants and know little else than their particular tech area.

spin

(17,493 posts)
118. That sounds fair to me. ...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 06:55 PM
Feb 2015

Although it was a long time ago in a different place and time, Abe Lincoln did not have a college education but was self educated. He taught himself the law and became a lawyer.

Harry Truman was the last elected President without a college degree.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
72. So far down my concern tree that he'll be dead before I get to it.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 05:14 PM
Feb 2015

To be honest even if he had a doctorate it wouldn't make me one iota more tolerant nor could being a first grade drop out really lower my acceptance.

It doesn't have importance to me because it isn't relevant as education level really doesn't change my view at all.

Educating a TeaPubliKlan is just smearing lipstick onto a pig anyway. The only hope is education will cure the stupid and I'm all but certain that another semester or two or 20 is going to flip any switches on this asshole.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
74. So?
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:34 PM
Feb 2015

I don't care if he has a degree or not. Not an issue for me.

There's far better reasons why he should not hold public office.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
75. So...his lack of erudition makes him tremendously reliant on advisors
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:41 PM
Feb 2015

We don't get to choose those advisors. Walker's taste in advice runs toward A.L.E.C.

He relies on bullies to get things done in the Legislature AND the courts.



 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
76. I would guess that most major politicians rely on advisors.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:44 PM
Feb 2015

And we never get to choose them either.

Throd

(7,208 posts)
79. There is a lot to criticize about Walker, but this is not a big deal to me.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 07:15 PM
Feb 2015

I have known some incredibly intelligent and wise people with zero college experience.

I have known some complete numbskulls with impressive sounding degrees that couldn't find their ass with both hands.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
90. Well, Scotty is somewhere in between that
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 12:32 PM
Feb 2015

He's got some college experience, he's not incredibly intelligent, actually borders on numbskull and he regularly uses his hands to spread the cheeks on the asses he's kissing.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
95. This shouldn't be an issue
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 06:48 PM
Feb 2015

The college degree he does not have is not nearly as worrisome as the dangerous ideas he does.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
100. But his lack of a college degree is connected to his dangerous ideas.
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:52 PM
Feb 2015

Most people who manage to graduate from college have accepted, for example, the reality of climate change.

Yes, there are college-educated Rethugs who are deniers; but IMO they are liars. They just take the position for political reasons.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
101. He was working on a degree in ECONOMICs... now WI debt is near $3B and Scott is skipping payments
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 04:58 PM
Feb 2015

and setting up taxpayers to pay interest on interest...

No, a college degree isn't everything, but what you DO with the education you HAVE really should give people some read on just how Mr Walker is guided by what he has learned.

Scott Walker isn't just lacking a degree he's proud of it, and jealous and angry that other people are getting them. Walker's plan is to starve the UW system so that in the future fewer people will do that and the state will be better positioned to compete with the Marshall Islands for sweat shops

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
104. People can educate themselves if they have curious minds, which I'm not sure conservatives have
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 05:14 PM
Feb 2015

but a college degree should involve broad coursework that ensures that you been exposed to new thoughts and information that make up the complexity of modern society. To me it's important to vote for someone with a broad education whether it's formal or self-taught. That's why I'd be reluctant to vote for someone without a degree. We're talking about the President of the United States here, not an auto mechanic. People in foreign countries I think would be shocked to find out the U.S. would elect someone who had not gone through the experience of college. I'm not elitist for that because there's nothing elite about going to college in this day and age. Maybe back before WWII.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
121. Here's a thought... this country has been FUCKED nine ways from Sunday by... BY...
Fri Feb 20, 2015, 11:58 PM
Feb 2015

People with college degrees. It's been fucked to the point where I'm afraid there's no coming back. By people with college degrees.

I possess a Bachelors in Vocational Education. I earned it at Long Beach State when I was well into my thirties. Funny thing, I stopped teaching shortly after that, and had been teaching Adult VocEd for almost 8 years at the time. I know possessors of BAs that are some of the smartest, quickest thinking problem-solvers I've ever met. I also know doctorates who I'm sure couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag while holding an Exacto knife.

Get the fuck out of my face with your degree. It's almost like Wilson's belief that only "institutional men" should be trusted with governance. Institutional being those educated at Ivy League schools.

I worked for a Master Chief Petty Officer in the Navy whose edumacation only went to grade 8. That man (Man) was a master of resource management, motivation, discipline, and getting things fucking done, and yes... politics. His name was Max Melvin and I'd have followed him to the bottom of the ocean if he told me it was going to help in my country's defense.

Having been on both sides of the fence well into my thirties; the more I read this elitist, ignorant shit, the more disgusted I become. Anyone who believes themselves to be better for having a degree than those who don't can roll their degree into a tight little cylinder and... well... satisfy themselves with it.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
124. But he's got HIGH KOCHS!
Sun Feb 22, 2015, 02:38 AM
Feb 2015

[CENTER]



Next time you're found, with your chin on the ground
There a lot to be learned, so look around

Just what makes that little old ant
Think he'll move that rubber tree plant
Anyone knows an ant, can't
Move a rubber tree plant

But he's got high KOCHS, he's got high KOCHS
He's got high apple pie, in the sky KOCHS

So any time you're gettin' low
'stead of lettin' go
Just remember that ant
Oops there goes another rubber tree plant

When troubles call, and your back's to the wall
There a lot to be learned, that wall could fall

Once there was a silly old ram
Thought he'd punch a hole in a dam
No one could make that ram, scram
He kept buttin' that dam

But he's got high KOCHS, he's got high KOCHS
He's got high apple pie, in the sky KOCHS

So any time you're feelin' bad
'stead of feelin' sad
Just remember that ram
Oops there goes a billion kilowatt dam

All problems just a toy balloon
They'll be bursted soon
They're just bound to go pop

Oops there goes another problem kerplop
Oops, there goes another problem kerplop
Oops, there goes another problem kerplop
Kerplop!

[/CENTER]

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
127. I hate to disillusion them but not having a degree is a big plus among a lot of Americans
Mon Feb 23, 2015, 08:20 PM
Feb 2015

The focksnooze crowd is pretty resentful of pointy headed intellectuals. And it'd be real easy for a douchebag like Walker to use their resentment to portray himself as a regular guy with common sense, not book learnin like them sissified eggheads.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Scott Walker does not hav...