Triple Murder Suspect Was Banned From Calling Tow Companies

[Warren Stupidity]

CHAPEL HILL, NC -- The man accused of shooting three students at a Chapel Hill condominium had neighbors' cars removed so often that he was eventually banned from using the towing company, according to a driver who often tows vehicles from the complex.

"It was often more than the average person," Christopher Lafreniere, with Barnes Towing, said Thursday. "It actually got to the point that he was not allowed to call a car in. If he called, we wouldn't go out."

Neighbors have said Craig Stephen Hicks, charged with three counts of first-degree murder, always appeared to be combative and angry about the parking situation at Finley Forest, where residents are allotted one reserved spot.

http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news/local/2015/02/13/wfmy-wral-chapel-hill-shootings-tow-truck-ban/23342175/

[Capt. Obvious]

1. He's the George Zimmerman of his condo's parking lot

[Warren Stupidity]

2. So it seems.

[CJCRANE]

3. Maybe the combo of a religious person parking in the wrong place

was too much for him.

[madokie]

4. The wrong kind of religion in his eyes is what triggered this

is my bet.

Keep him off the parking lots forever is what I say. Throw his ass so far back in the cell that they have to shoot beans to him with a cannon.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. And your evidence for that is what?

[madokie]

7. And what more evidence do I need Warren

its pretty obvious what his problem is after reading what others had to say about him. How blind do you want me to be anyway

[el_bryanto]

23. Which others do you mean?

While it seems possible that his disdain for Muslims played a role in this crime, I don't know that I've seen a solid analysis of what role it played and to what extent.

Bryant

[brush]

12. Does it really matter about evidence? There are 3 people dead . . .

because of another armed, self-appointed apartment complex guardian.

It seems too many guns with too easy access for aggressive gun nuts creates george zimmerman types.

At least they arrested this fool straight away.

[Warren Stupidity]

15. Well when we have people here on DU explicitly blaming "new atheists" for this tragedy

yes I do think perhaps some evidence of motive would be in order. The current state of evidence of motive appears to be "enraged about parking situation".

[brush]

31. It seems so

He was an unstable gun nut. I don't think atheism had anything to do with it.

He however, from reading that I have done, had contempt for religion, which I know is not what atheism is about.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Possible.

I'd actually like to see some evidence. He had a long history of confronting everyone he thought was misusing the parking lot, including at least one other time with a gun.

[madokie]

8. If I remember right the other time with a gun was who he murdered

so that re-enforces my point that his problem was mostly that they were different than him

[uponit7771]

21. It was a visitor parking spot, The media is leaving this out on purpose!!!

[Hoppy]

9. He's probably pissed off that God didn't like him.

[oldlib2]

10. Condo Parking

I'm reminded of my brothers suicide in Colorado. He lived in Frisco and lived in a condo after losing his job and wife. He owned a beautiful Mercedes, and I noticed that they had a special parking spot for it with my brothers name. He must have become a real pain in the ass to other residents for this consideration.

[brush]

14. Frisco?

You apparently haven't spent in time in San Francisco.

[riderinthestorm]

17. There's an actual town called Frisco in CO. It's a ski resort

[Crabby Appleton]

25. I guess

"brothers suicide in Colorado. He lived in Frisco" wasn't enough of a hint

[brush]

32. Sorry, my mistake. San Franciscans don't like that nickname. nt

[riderinthestorm]

18. I'm sorry for your loss oldlib2. Welcome to DU! Nt

[oldlib2]

46. It was a long time ago

My brother Norman had been a mining engineer at the mine in Climax, CO, and he helped raise 2 outstanding stepsons, Scott and Rudd Pyle, who were on the Olympic ski team in the late sixties. Norman's health was bad and he was on oxygen. That is how they found him in January of 1989, as he had gone to the hills in September of 1988, hung his oxygen bottles in a tree, and shot himself. They did not discover his body, until a skier noticed the bottles hanging in the trees. I went to Frisco in 1989 to settle his estate. My brother Arnie took the Mercedes and also wanted the pistol that Norman had shot himself with. I had called the local Sheriff's department who told me that the pistol was badly corroded, and I told them to keep it, as I didn't want it, nor did I want Arnie to have it. This was a long reply and I apologize, although it is good to relate it and get it off my chest.

[riderinthestorm]

47. Im always willing to.listen oldlib

Hopefully that's what we do best here...

[cwydro]

11. A stupid crazy person.

Parking places!

[Historic NY]

13. My cousins place where her condo is has guest parking except it taken up by the residents...

that won't park in their driveways. I just park on the street. I half expect one of the busy bodies to call it in.

[lpbk2713]

16. One more stupid redneck out of circulation.

This is the kind of stupidity that nauseates me some times.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

19. Are all rednecks stupid, or just some rednecks? nt

[LanternWaste]

33. 77.38% of them.

77.38% of them.

[ProfessorGAC]

37. Another Study Says 84.42%

Maybe a methodology difference!

[Jamastiene]

54. Actually, think both numbers are rather low.

I am sure it is in the high 95+ percent range.

[benz380]

49. My SIL rented a condo while in college and a neighbor kept parking his boat in her spot.

This happened at least 6 times. Her father finally drove his truck about 200 miles to the condo and dragged the boat out into the street. The neighbor finally got the message.

[uponit7771]

20. ****IT WAS A VISITOR PARKING SPOT*** No, this was a mass killing of people because of their RELIGION

...PERIOD!!!

I wish people would stop downplaying this...

If the tables were turned the media would be all over this day in and day out

[Warren Stupidity]

22. ok. Could you please provide the evidence for that statement?

[uponit7771]

24. His sister was on MJ this morning and let the cat out of the bag, the guy didn't have rights to

... the parking spot and only began harassing the doctors family after he brought his new bride home with the head scarf on.

He called the tow truck companies so many times they stopped responding to his calls and the apartment owner got involved telling him he had no right to the spot.

The parking spot, which he had no right to, is pretense...

You don't kill 3 people execution style to the head for a parking spot, after hearing the sister the father is dead on right

Downplaying this is being obtuse on purpose

[riderinthestorm]

26. Did he only target this family or did he call the tow company on others? Nt

[uponit7771]

28. Doesn't matter, he didn't own the spot, It was a visitor spot not his

[riderinthestorm]

30. Yes but if he had a history of being a parking Nazi towards everyone

That would be relevant.

Sounds like he was irrational about the condo parking period, whether he had a right to do that or not.

[840high]

35. Same problem at our condos -

when visitors park in homeowners spaces people get very upset.

[uponit7771]

40. true

[Warren Stupidity]

55. everyone in the complex had problems with him.

i agree that he may also have been bigoted against muslims - after all he killed three of them so it seems likely - but he had been harassing everyone he thought was not parking appropriately, and he had done so at least once in the recent past with gun in hand.

He exploded over his parking obsession and took it out on these three unfortunate people.

[LanternWaste]

34. He targeted only this family

He targeted only this family with a gun... he targeted others merely with phone calls and grumpiness.

[riderinthestorm]

38. Agreed

I've said elsewhere this appears to be a hate crime. I'm just trying to figure out the whole thing.

[Cal Carpenter]

36. Did he shoot others? Or just this particular family? What makes them the lucky ones?

I mean, while we're asking questions and all.

I won't claim to understand his motive fwiw.

[riderinthestorm]

39. Ok. Fair enough

I've said it before and I'll repeat it AGAIN, that I believe this is a hate crime.

I'm simply trying to understand the big picture. Maybe that's futile but I guess unlike you, I'm interested in it.

[Cal Carpenter]

45. Hmph. I am interested in the big picture.

For the record. Not really sure where the snark comes from seeing as how this is the first post I've made on the subject. I don't even think you and I disagree. I was just, I dunno, taking your line of questioning to the next step in this particular subthread. I'm sure I haven't read all your posts on the matter.

[riderinthestorm]

48. No snark intended and yes, we agree.

Peace!

[Cal Carpenter]

52. Back atcha!

[uponit7771]

27. link about the parking spot

http://news.yahoo.com/man-arrested-3-shot-death-north-carolina-080105974.html

[leveymg]

29. Some people don't seem to grasp there are often multiple motives for hate crimes.

Just because this guy had obsessions about protecting his parking space doesn't negate hatred of his neighbors for being Muslims. Militant atheist certainly doesn't mean this guy doesn't have animus against visibly religious neighbors.

The "evidence" seemingly offered here that this wasn't a hate crime here isn't even logical.

[uponit7771]

41. It wasn't even his space, it was a visitor parking space ... he went after this family with a gun

... others he'd just call the tow truck

[leveymg]

42. Because he's a nut with a gun certainly doesn't mean this wasn't a Hate Crime

In fact, it's practically a prerequisite for the role. The deniers have a weak case, but that doesn't mean they won't try to prove their point.

[benz380]

51. He's a nut with a gun, but possibly not a gun nut.

I wonder it that was the only gun he owned.

[leveymg]

53. It only takes one nut, one gun.

Another three victims shot dead. The difference is in how you want to order the pieces.

[Warren Stupidity]

56. At least 12 guns recovered from his house.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

44. I haven't seen anyone arguing "wasn't", except his wife.

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The debate I've seen has been between "definitely was" and "may or may not have been, but there's not enough evidence available to be sure yet".

[Warren Stupidity]

50. it seems we don't need evidence.

[backscatter712]

43. A few french fries short of a Happy Meal... n/t