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Arcadiasix

(255 posts)
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:11 AM Feb 2015

Little League punishes Chicago team

Little League Baseball has stripped the U.S. championship from Chicago-based Jackie Robinson West and suspended its coach for violating a rule prohibiting the use of players who live outside the geographic area that the team represents, it was announced Wednesday.

Jackie Robinson West must vacate wins from the 2014 Little League Baseball International Tournament -- including its Great Lakes Regional and United States championships.

The team's manager, Darold Butler, has been suspended from Little League activity, and Illinois District 4 administrator Michael Kelly has been removed from his position.

The organization found that Jackie Robinson West used a falsified boundary map and that team officials met with neighboring Little League districts in Illinois to claim players and build what amounts to a superteam.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/story/_/id/12308988/little-league-strips-chicago-team-us-championship-suspends-coach

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Little League punishes Chicago team (Original Post) Arcadiasix Feb 2015 OP
well they did cheat Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #1
The coaches cheated jehop61 Feb 2015 #2
and the other team also played their "hearts out" - they do not deserve the loss - DrDan Feb 2015 #4
If the title was allowed to stand there would be every incentive for other teams to cheat Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #5
Agreed Arcadiasix Feb 2015 #17
I was reading the ESPN article on this TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #6
All true jehop61 Feb 2015 #8
Yes, they are ruining it for the kids TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #9
How about jehop61 Feb 2015 #10
if they wanted to recruit across lines questionseverything Feb 2015 #12
Is it really so awful if a kid is a few years past an arbitrary age? brooklynite Feb 2015 #13
So you're in favor of letting the Chicago team keep the title, GGJohn Feb 2015 #11
NOT WARPED THINKING jehop61 Feb 2015 #14
Its a wonderful macrocosm of politics. christx30 Feb 2015 #15
I agree that it sucks for the kids SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2015 #18
No, I'm in favor of no cheating. GGJohn Feb 2015 #19
How about compassion for the 12 year old Las Vegas children GGJohn Feb 2015 #20
Agreed. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author jehop61 Feb 2015 #3
The coaches will have to carry a heavy burden for a long time. lpbk2713 Feb 2015 #16
I've been wondering, and trying to put myself in the mindset of JRW's coaches and parents... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2015 #21

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
2. The coaches cheated
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:58 AM
Feb 2015

the kids played their hearts out......they don't deserve paying for what adults in their lives did. All around, a sports' tragedy

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
4. and the other team also played their "hearts out" - they do not deserve the loss -
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 09:37 AM
Feb 2015

the Little League did the right thing in vacating the wins and correcting the situation

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
5. If the title was allowed to stand there would be every incentive for other teams to cheat
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 09:43 AM
Feb 2015

in the future.

I just hope the Las Vegas team which is now the US champion gets an invite to the White House.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
6. I was reading the ESPN article on this
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:14 AM
Feb 2015

Apparently, the coaches actively recruited outside of their zone to strengthen the team. It wasn't an accident, and they likely would not have won without cheating.

My dad coached Little League for years, so this subject is dear to my heart. Little League can be such a force for good when men like my dad coach; he never had a team go to the play-offs, but he was an awesome role model.

Little League is supposed to be kids from the local community; it's the nature of the league and recruiting players destroys the very essence of the league, imo.

It's sad for the players, but they got good exposure. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them are being recruited and offered scholarships to the best private schools in the city. I wish them the very best.

As for the coaches, I think they will be banned from Little League. Good.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
8. All true
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:44 AM
Feb 2015

but the coaches redrew the league boundries illegally and the kids didn't know. How can an 11 or 12 year old know anything about that? Why kick at risk children down when it wasn't their doing? I'm not in favor of breaking the heart of a child for what a corrupt adult does. Ban all adults but not the children. It's called compassion and trumps arbitrary rules put forth by the powers in Little League. Don't think I'll watch it next year. The adults are ruining it for the kids

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
9. Yes, they are ruining it for the kids
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 10:47 AM
Feb 2015

but you can't allow the victory to stand or it encourages more cheating.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
10. How about
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:03 AM
Feb 2015

banning the coaches and keeping the league out of tournament play, going forward, for a time? Is it really so awful if a kid lives a few blocks past an arbitrary line? If they were overage, that would be another thing, but this is a small area of a big city, and neighborhoods are constantly changing. Another thing which disturbes me, is the coach who blew the whistle lives in a racially changing area and black/white tensions run high. He has spent months and months trying to prove his point. I only hope this is not a racial charged action.

questionseverything

(9,657 posts)
12. if they wanted to recruit across lines
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

the team would have to play tourneys in a different more competitive category...it is called "travel baseball"....where they would of gotten beat badly...so yes it is a huge deal

and at 12 years old i bet every player and parent knew they had "illegal players"

and as for the coach that spent months and months trying to prove his point...GOOD FOR HIM! afterall he is trying to compete with all the power and money the Robinson name brings while playing by the rules....why do you act like the kids he coaches don't matter?

brooklynite

(94,657 posts)
13. Is it really so awful if a kid is a few years past an arbitrary age?
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

It's up to all the teams to play by the same set of rules.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
11. So you're in favor of letting the Chicago team keep the title,
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:07 AM
Feb 2015

even though it was won through the adults cheating? While at the same time, denying the Las Vegas team the title even though they did everything right by not cheating?
That's some warped thinking there.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
14. NOT WARPED THINKING
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:53 AM
Feb 2015

Just compassion for children. So I guess you are in favor of kicking children when they're down. 12 year olds!!!!! So republican. Sports stories really bring out the worst in people.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
15. Its a wonderful macrocosm of politics.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:12 PM
Feb 2015

If your leaders are idiots and do the wrong/underhanded/criminal thing, the people suffer the consequences.
If they had won honestly, the coach would have gotten credit for leading their team to victory. But since he did the wrong thing, the whole team suffers. Next time, assuming he is allowed to stay in the league, he'll take an honest defeat rather than a dishonest victory.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
18. I agree that it sucks for the kids
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 11:09 PM
Feb 2015

But even though it wasn't their fault, they won while cheating. No way can that be allowed to stand.

My compassion goes to the kids on the Vegas team that played just as hard, with just as much heart, and were robbed of a probable victory because their coaches didn't cheat.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
19. No, I'm in favor of no cheating.
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:31 AM
Feb 2015

So, you're in favor of JRW keeping the title over Las Vegas, who, BTW, didn't cheat?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
20. How about compassion for the 12 year old Las Vegas children
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 01:35 AM
Feb 2015

who were denied the title because JRW cheated?
How about compassion for the Las Vegas 12 year old children who weren't invited to the WH to meet President Obama because JRW cheated?

Take your "so republican" crap and place it where the..............well, you can figure out the rest.

Response to Duckhunter935 (Reply #1)

lpbk2713

(42,763 posts)
16. The coaches will have to carry a heavy burden for a long time.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 07:18 PM
Feb 2015



The players played their hearts out. And the shame of it all is the players and their parents misplaced their confidence in the coaches. There's no way the coaches can repay the debt owed.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
21. I've been wondering, and trying to put myself in the mindset of JRW's coaches and parents...
Fri Feb 13, 2015, 03:58 AM
Feb 2015

As the first pitch in the Little League World Series final is thrown, what are you sitting in the stands thinking?

Wow we really got away with one.

Cheating's okay as long as everyone gets away with it.

Thank GOD my boss is letting me use his home address!

We'll stand together, and hang together.

I'm so fucked.

What the hell have we done?

I hope they'll call off the dogs when we accuse Little League International of racism.


If President Obama possesses an OUNCE of fairness, he'll invite the Las Vegas team to the White House.

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