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JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:02 PM Feb 2015

Does Cocaine Have Any Potential as an Antidepressant?

Two years ago, Madeleine (not her real name) lost her father to cancer. She was devastated. She had about a gram of cocaine leftover from a New Year's Eve party, and she started using it, little by little, to get through each day. She says that cocaine is the only thing that gave her the energy to cope with her daily life, to make the funeral arrangements, and take care of her grieving mother. Cocaine, she says, saved her from her grief.

There are no doctors who would endorse Madeleine's method of self-medication—it sounds dangerously close to a rather serious habit, after all. But the fact that she says it helped her deal with depression doesn't surprise Dr. Matthew Johnson, who researches behavioral pharmacology at Johns Hopkins University.

"The idea of using cocaine, or drugs extremely similar to cocaine, for depression or related disorders is not new," he explained—and it's not scientifically unfounded either.

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Modern antidepressants don't have the same instantaneous effect as cocaine, which makes them less addictive. But they work in similar ways the brain—namely by, balancing the monoamine neurotransmitters, which are believed to be the cause of depression. Wellbutrin, a commonly prescribed antidepressant, feels similar enough to a coke binge when it's snorted that it's earned the nickname of " poor man's cocaine."

While cocaine is only vaguely similar to most modern antidepressants, it's nearly identical to another drug: methylphenidate, commonly known by the brand name Ritalin. Cocaine and Ritalin work very, very similarly—both substances block the reuptake of the same neurotransmitters in the brain to increase dopamine levels. Snorting cocaine and Ritalin are indistinguishable to users under blind conditions," said Dr. Johnson.

http://www.vice.com/read/can-cocaine-cure-grief-210

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Does Cocaine Have Any Potential as an Antidepressant? (Original Post) JonLP24 Feb 2015 OP
a gram? Kali Feb 2015 #1
Wow, so some of the leading anti-depressents are basically cocaine substitutes dissentient Feb 2015 #2
dopamines bigtree Feb 2015 #3
I agree 100% JonLP24 Feb 2015 #5
For me coming back down from the high was pretty depressing. The older I got Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2015 #4
Yes melman Feb 2015 #9
I've done some when I was a teen... JaneyVee Feb 2015 #16
Ever snort Ritalin? Too many buffers--it clogs your nose. panader0 Feb 2015 #6
I have taken Ritalin in pill form. RebelOne Feb 2015 #12
I'm not sure it's a good idea. hollowdweller Feb 2015 #7
Coke? Really? Much better options out there. Sedona Feb 2015 #8
Xanax actually has a pretty severe rebound effect JonLP24 Feb 2015 #11
Thanks for the heart Sedona Feb 2015 #14
They chew Coca leaves in the Andes Downwinder Feb 2015 #10
I would be depressed about being broke and having an enlarged heart FrodosPet Feb 2015 #13
Cocaine is a hellavah drug. n/t benz380 Feb 2015 #15

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
3. dopamines
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:11 PM
Feb 2015

Cocaine speeds the release of dopamines which control emotion or pleasure, if you will. It hits the button and presses on it until you're bled dry. Bottom line, after you spend all of your dopamines on less than an hour of hightened emotion (could be paranoia or anxiety instead of pleasure) it takes about 72 hours for your body to replenish your supply. Keep hitting the coke and you're beginning a serious emotional decline. It's a crap drug.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
5. I agree 100%
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:14 PM
Feb 2015

or what you say is 100% factual. I think it shows why people become addicted & why they continue to use which could helpful in developing drug policies rather treat it as a moral failing.

On edit - I also felt it would be helpful in explaining why people will give up on the anti-depressants and go back to the high powered stimulants.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
4. For me coming back down from the high was pretty depressing. The older I got
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:13 PM
Feb 2015

the bigger the crash. Thankfully it was just recreational. I don't think I could have done it consistently.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
16. I've done some when I was a teen...
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 09:35 AM
Feb 2015

The next day I felt suicidal from depression. Seems like the higher you get the lower you feel the next day. Would not recommend.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. Ever snort Ritalin? Too many buffers--it clogs your nose.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:21 PM
Feb 2015

I had a buddy years ago that loved it. He could get as much as he wanted, cheaply across the line in Naco.
So I tried it (years ago mind you) and ugh. Coke is fun until you run out. I haven't done anything like that in twenty five years.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
12. I have taken Ritalin in pill form.
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:05 AM
Feb 2015

And I have snorted cocaine, and it beats Ritalin hands down as an antidepressant.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
7. I'm not sure it's a good idea.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 10:38 PM
Feb 2015

I mean if you were a strong person and just did it to get thru a rough time then maybe it might be ok.

However like others here I would say that I always found that once you came down off it it made things worse. Booze is like that for me too. If I drink enough to have a hangover then I also feel mildly depressed the next day.

The main bad thing about cocaine, in my experience is that it does not make you feel fucked up. It impairs your judgement as much or more than alcohol, but since there is not any "noise" with the buzz like alcohol, (ie nausea, dizziness drunkenness) you do not realize that your judgement is impaired and so you make extremely bad decisions or are very rude to others.

However everything has it's place. One time years ago I was at a NYE party. We had been drinking beer and smoking hash all evening.
I always stop drinking hours before time to leave and switch to water but where we had been smoking a lot and staying up we were all tired. A huge snow had dropped while we were there. Right before we left the hostess passed around some coke. We all did some and it kept us alert and awake to drive home.

Another time we had driven to a Grateful Dead show, danced all evening and were wore out and had to drive home. A friends brother gave us all a couple lines and woke us up enough for the drive home.

I never liked the stuff much because it seemed to make my heart instantly speed up and I worried if you had some arrhythmia or something what the effect of your ticker going from 0 to 60 in 30 seconds would be. But it helped then.

However I knew many people who used it all the time if they were sleepy or not and it did not have a positive effect on their lives.

I always felt that with the exploitation of the peasant growers, and the criminal narco trafficers and violence that went along with the cocaine trade that you were almost snorting up bad karma.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
8. Coke? Really? Much better options out there.
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:09 PM
Feb 2015

Sounds like the rationalization of an addict.

I was prescribed Xanax after being completely blindsided by my unfaithful husband of 30 years asking for a divorce. I used it responsibly and temporarily for about a year to cope with putting my life back together. Never got a buzz from the stuff. It just took the edge off so I could function normally until the shock wore off. I don't believe I would have made it through without it. Not to mention it's dirt cheap if you have insurance.

Can't say the same about the blow, which was grand in the 70's in S Florida...until it was gone. I wouldn't be caught dead putting that shit in my body under any circumstances now.

I still have a few X's in my medicine cabinet in case of an earthquake or some other catastrophe where I need to keep my head.

edited for grammar

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. Xanax actually has a pretty severe rebound effect
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:55 PM
Feb 2015

Very addictive & fatal if you're down to the coma line of the rebound effect.

Sedona

(3,769 posts)
14. Thanks for the heart
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 09:31 AM
Feb 2015

It appeared right after my post above so I figured it would be best to say thanks here.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
10. They chew Coca leaves in the Andes
Wed Feb 11, 2015, 11:52 PM
Feb 2015

to increase Oxygen absorption. Increased Oxygen would make you more energetic and feel better.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
13. I would be depressed about being broke and having an enlarged heart
Thu Feb 12, 2015, 12:15 AM
Feb 2015

"Cocaine makes you a new man. And the first thing that new man wants is more cocaine" - George Carlin

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Conditions/Cocaine-Marijuana-and-Other-Drugs_UCM_428537_Article.jsp

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How does cocaine affect the heart?
Cocaine use kills over 15,000 people each year in the United States due to overuse or related accidents. Additionally, cocaine use can cause damage to the heart, which leads to many more deaths each year.

Several cardiovascular complications are closely related to cocaine use. They include chest pain syndromes, heart attacks, heart failure, strokes, aortic dissection, and fatal and nonfatal arrhythmias.

Others include:
- myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
- endocarditis (inflammation of the inner lining of the heart)
- pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs)
- vascular thrombosis (blood clots in blood vessels)
- dilated cardiomyopathy (an enlarged heart)

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