Second push poll from Warren supporters.

[wyldwolf]

MoveOn.org wants Elizabeth Warren to run for president -- so much so that it has commissioned a poll with the very clear purpose of making Warren's potential candidacy look as good as possible.

Mission accomplished. The just-released poll from YouGov shows Warren ahead of Clinton 31 percent to 24 percent in Iowa and 30-27 in New Hampshire.

How do you get results so far afield of any polling we've seen to date? You say a bunch of positive/liberal-friendly things about Warren before you ask the head-to-head question.

In fairness to MoveOn, the group discloses up-front that this is what's known as an "informed ballot" -- i.e. information is shared about candidates before the head-to-head question is asked. MoveOn emphasizes that no negative information is shared about the other candidates (including Clinton), which is a trick often used in such polling.

What MoveOn doesn't emphasize is that the only candidate for whom positive information is shared is Warren. And there is a lot of positive information -- 10 statements, in fact.

The takeaway here: If Warren runs for president and is somehow able to run a campaign in which she is the only candidate allowed to share positive information about herself, then she might -- emphasis on might -- have a chance of beating Clinton.

If anything, this poll should discourage Warren from changing her mind and running.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/02/11/this-terrible-poll-shows-elizabeth-warren-beating-hillary-clinton/

[William769]

1. Kick & recommended.

[L0oniX]

2. We all know that who ever sucks up to the oligarchy the most will win.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. When people know about Warren, they prefer her.

She'll beat Hillary like a drum if she runs - unless she does zero advertising.

Hillary, OTOH... whenever she comes out of hiding, her numbers drop.

[wyldwolf]

4. "whenever she comes out of hiding"

[MannyGoldstein]

7. Got me.

I'm so busted.

[wyldwolf]

15. repeating right wing tactics against Hillary has become the norm on DU among the anti-Hillary folks

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, eh Manny?

[MannyGoldstein]

20. I guess resistance really *was* futile

I'm sorry.

[zappaman]

34. You better believe it!

[Cali_Democrat]

39. Hillary in hiding is a right wing meme

And you decided to bring it here....

[MannyGoldstein]

40. Very telling, isn't it?! nt

[hrmjustin]

5. The margin of error shows this poll is garbage.

[Autumn]

6. I was impressed how high the approval rates were when they were

given Liz's stand on things. People like what she has to say, push poll or whatever. Liz actually said those things

[tracks29]

8. Wolf I might agree with you here

I'm getting tired of the Ready for Warren group. They need to realize she isn't running. Bernie is out there begging for help. If this group wants a progressive challenger to Hillary they need to get on the Bernie Bandwagon.

[wyldwolf]

9. I'll definitely agree with you there. Hey! Wolftracks!

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Back when Push Polls were used by the likes of Newsmax and Huckabee

I decided they were the most malicious vile form of lie.

This doesn't change my mind about people who use them.

[rhett o rick]

11. People like Sen Warren. The Oligarchs love HRC. If the big money buys the

election for HRC both you and the Oligarchs will be happy. The 99% will suffer.

[William769]

13. Glad to see you are spokesperson for the 99%

Damn! I didn't know I was in the 1% and you damn sure don't speak for me as well as millions of other Americans. Just saying.

[rhett o rick]

14. I can see why you might choose to side with the 1%. They might trickle on you. nm

[William769]

16. Oh so because I support Hillary I support the 1%?

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Do you know how ignorant that statement is don't you. I realize your ilk keep pushing that meme and you may think it make's you someone special because of what get's posted on DU. Here's a clue for you, DU doesn't even represent "1%" of our population. So keep on living inside the bubble. Myself will stick to the real world.

P.S. and you won't see me beating a dead horse hoping to revive it. She is not running.

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. According to Mitt Romney, I'm one of the 47 percent.

Don't know whether to or about that one.

[William769]

18. Well one thing is for damn sure.

I am in a class all by myself.

Besides that, I seem to have moved to the 1%! Ok wheres my yacht!

[greatauntoftriplets]

19. And when are you going to invite me to sail the Med on it?

It's cold up here! I could use a getaway to the Greek islands.

[William769]

21. I'll swing by & pick you up just a soon as I am back from Fiji.

[greatauntoftriplets]

22. Where's the helicopter and landing deck?

Ah well, packing my bag.

[William769]

23. That's on my other yacht.

[greatauntoftriplets]

24. Your Sunday yacht, I presume.

[William769]

25. Actually it's loaned out to Hillary!

I'm busted!

[greatauntoftriplets]

26. LOL.

[hrmjustin]

29. Hey I want to streer the ship!

[William769]

30. Sure why not, it's insured.

[hrmjustin]

31. .

[sheshe2]

32. Ummm...

Do not forget about me.



It's cold up here William.

[William769]

33. ROFLMAO!

Sorry about that. You know there is always a spot for you.

[sheshe2]

35. Then....

[rhett o rick]

36. You post some words but don't show how HRC supports anyone but the 1%.

Looks to me like either you think she supports the 99%, which I would love to see some proof of, or you acknowledge she represents the 1%, but you are ok with that.

None of HRC's supporters have offered any evidence to support the contention that she supports anyone other than Goldman-Sachs and the 1%.

[William769]

37. Well here you go for the umteenth million time.

http://correctrecord.org/hillary-clinton-less-minimum-more-wage/ Does this sound like the 1%?

That's just one example & there are plenty more but you already know that.

Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true. But it does make you look like a ...

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. Personally? I'd like to see as many credible candidates running in the primary as possible.

The more the merrier; I don't think that the way to give voters a choice in selecting the next Democratic nominee is to say that a plausible candidate outright shouldn't run. (And Iowa and New Hampshire have some symbolic importance, but Super Tuesday matters much, much more.)

[NCTraveler]

43. I like this.

The difference in our debates and the Republicans is a wonderful thing and only good for our party. It is the difference between adults talking and children playing in the mud. I would love a debate between Hillary, Warren, and a handful of others. Not to ferret out a winner but to get our message out.

[Rex]

27. LOL! What is wrong with these folks? It's like they want her to run or something!?

Just a little MoveOn nuthin to see here people...

[MohRokTah]

28. These sort of polls look to get a candidate at LEAST in the low 40s.

A potential candidate who is unknown (sorry, Warren supporters, she's an unknown on a national level) would definitely ahve a shot if they break 50% in a poll like this.

[Art_from_Ark]

38. Well, gee, in 1975 Jimmy Carter was relatively unknown nationally

In 1991, Bill Clinton was relatively unknown nationally.
In 2007, Barack Obama was relatively unknown nationally.

[MohRokTah]

41. Well gee, they all wanted to run.

Elizabeth Warren doesn't want to run.

[NCTraveler]

42. I am a Warren supporter. Also a Hillary supporter.

Warren is a politician as is Hillary. Many of her "fans" don't get that or are not politically savvy. Her fans are her most ardent supporters and are trying to create change. They are the most loyal people a politician has. Hillary has them as does Obama. No matter what a politician does these people will support it. Every politician needs them. They are useful tools in the advance of personal power for politicians. They all produce push polls and information that is truly not relevant yet sounds good. They also hate all those in their way. Once again, Warren, Hillary, and Obama have them.