I don't care who the Dem's run in 2016! I just want them to beat the Republicans.

[trumad]

Easy Peasy---Nuff Said!

[SidDithers]

1. DU rec...

But now you'll be called a DLC sell-out, team cheerleader and blindly loyal partisan, as if partisanship on a partisan messageboard is somehow a bad thing.



Sid

[hrmjustin]

2. The third way boogey man is going to get you!

[billhicks76]

22. Hillary Is A SellOut...It's Called Reality

I wouldn't support Jeb Bush if he ran as a Democrat. Luckily not an issue because Warren may run after new Iowa and New Hampshire poll shows her beating Hillary.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-warren-leads-clinton-in-iowa-n.h./article/2560098

[VanillaRhapsody]

43. So you prefer the Republican....

Got it!

[we can do it]

80. Makes lots of sense doesn't it?

[Art_from_Ark]

98. So would you vote for Jeb Bush if he registered as a Democrat?

[Agschmid]

118. Warren won't run...

[William769]

122. You mean the push polls?

[stevenleser]

35. It didn't take long for folks to prove you right!

[SidDithers]

73. Wasn't really a bold prediction tho, was it...

Sid

[Rex]

109. So who are you going to vote for? Oh...right...

[pintobean]

110. Never pass up the opportunity

for a cheap shot.

[William769]

121. Ain't that the fucking truth!

I was accused of being part of the 1% yesterday!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

130. What I find funny is when someone complains that I'm making something political here...

As if this is a message board for a cooking show.

[greatauntoftriplets]

3. Same here.

And I don't have a clue who I will vote for in the primary yet. I don't cut off my nose to spite my face.

[sheshe2]

59. Bravo GAOT.

Well said.

[greatauntoftriplets]

61. Thanks, sheshe2.

This circular firing squad is getting old and it's still 13 months until the Illinois primary.

[brer cat]

68. +1 nt

[Arkansas Granny]

4. Yep. The Democratic nominee gets my vote.

[randys1]

5. That aint no lie...It is kind of like going on a date...

You decide to take the datee, is that the right word?

to a concert, Pink Floyd is in building A but it is too far to drive probably, Barry Manilow & Cher are in building B, and Hank Williams Jr (junior now) and Ted Nugent are in building C



You really wanna go to Pink Floyd but if you do you may not get there in time, but you can get into Barry & Cher for sure, done deal, but you have to go in right now.

But if you procrastinate at all the door will close on you and you will have no choice but to see Hank & Ted


easy peasy for me too

[F4lconF16]

117. I think your metaphor would be a better one if you didn't pick Pink Floyd!

If Roger Waters and David Gilmore are playing together again, there's no way in hell I'm not going to that concert. Speeding tickets all the way!

[randys1]

124. Animals tour, Oakland...wish I could remember most of it LOL

[Agnosticsherbet]

6. I will vote my preferance in the primary. Come the General elections, I vote only for Democrats.

My reason; in our system only a Democrat or a Republican will be elected to the White House. I refuse to support, even by inaction, the election of a republican.

[riqster]

99. Well said!

[Andy823]

133. Exactly. nt

[daredtowork]

7. You know what - I do care

Because what is the use of supporting a party at all if the candidate of choice's platform reveals policies that will won't help you, will worsen your condition, or that you can't morally condone? Should a person who wants strong unions vote for a candidate that has vowed to destroy unions? Hell, no! The only thing keeping them nominally Democrat is the pressure of the Two Party System.

Party honchos also think it's okay to message one way to win an election. Those people who voted for Obama for Hope and Change, and passed over the chance for the first woman President to do so, have never forgotten this essential party betrayal. Do you think those people are going to vote for 4-8 MORE years of Wall Street appeasement just because the candidate is Democrat?

I predict historic low voter turnout if that happens. Then a lot of blamestorming over voter apathy and how we all "deserve" the results.

[billhicks76]

17. Hillary Should Run As A Republican

She's losing to Warren in new Iowa AND New Hampshire poll.
http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/shock-poll-warren-leads-clinton-in-iowa-n.h./article/2560098

[stevenleser]

36. That's a meaningless push poll. Any reputable person should distance themselves from it

and MoveOn should be embarrassed for conducting it.

[Cosmic Kitten]

44. Do you have a link to the actual poll?

[stevenleser]

45. The link is posted here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6212868

11 questions trying to get folks to like Warren before the question is asked about who folks prefer.

[Cosmic Kitten]

57. Thank you

[INdemo]

89. Would you prefer Faux News conduct the poll;

they are going to be taken regardless. Its not that Democrats wont vote for Hillary, they just wont show up at the polls if she is the nominee.

[stevenleser]

91. I would prefer that people and organizations not do push polls and folks realize how ugly they are.

[Raine1967]

69. Warren isn't running.

Why can't people respect her enough to believe that she means what she says?

She is not running.

[OKNancy]

21. All Dems are pro-union

including Hillary

Her voting record is good as far as Unions are concerned

No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased. (Jul 2007)
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. (Jun 2007)
Get tough with China and bring jobs back home. (Feb 2007)
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages. (Dec 2006)
Passed 2 planks of 7-plank platform, “New Jobs for New York”. (Oct 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
Pushed for extension of unemployment insurance. (Feb 2004)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Recently “we’re in it together” became “you’re on your own”. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Allow an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Sponsored bill linking minimum wage to Congress' pay raises. (May 2006)
Extend unemployment compensation during recession. (Jan 2008)
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)

[Mnpaul]

34. and card check went out the window

the minute the Dems came into power. These free trade deals are about anti-labor as you can get. Extending unemployment after they shipped our jobs away is not being pro labor.

Sorry not buying it

[VanillaRhapsody]

46. really now?

No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased. (Jul 2007)
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. (Jun 2007)
Get tough with China and bring jobs back home. (Feb 2007)
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages. (Dec 2006)
Passed 2 planks of 7-plank platform, “New Jobs for New York”. (Oct 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
Pushed for extension of unemployment insurance. (Feb 2004)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Recently “we’re in it together” became “you’re on your own”. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Allow an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Sponsored bill linking minimum wage to Congress' pay raises. (May 2006)
Extend unemployment compensation during recession. (Jan 2008)
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination. (Jan 2009)

[Mnpaul]

58. Teachers Unions are under attack across the country

What has Obama said on the subject?

How about Hillary?

What has any national Democrat done?

The minimum wage in 1970 is equal to $12 hr today.

over 50,000 factories with 25 or more employees closed in the past ten years

your weak list is nothing but lip service

[daredtowork]

67. My understanding is

Democrats lost the House over two issues that were essentially about unions and jobs, especially in the South.
1) TPP and Internationalization of trade at the expense of American workers. Re: H1B visas.

2) The push for Obama's signature immigration act without a balancing union-strengthening move which would make workers feel more psychologically protected about the influx of more competition for their jobs under exploitation conditions. After years of weak employment and dismantling labor law, I think Obama under estimated the psychological impact of offering employers the upper hand in yet more exploitation. Not wanting to vote Republican, disvouraged voters simply stayed home. All it would have taken was some psychologically reassuring moves toward employment protection. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but this is from talking to Southern family/friends.

[Thinkingabout]

76. Democrats lost the south because of Civil Rights, the south started migration in the '60's. They

still fight integration plain and simple. On destroying the unions, Reagan busted the Air traffic controllers in the '80's and unions have gone downhill since. For forty years when Democrats held Congress the middle class and working people started to rise, it stopped when the Republican congress was elected and run by Newt Gingrich, this congress passed the NAFTA and had veto overriding votes for NAFTA. We should get some fact straight.

Another fact, staying home and not voting is electing more Republicans, they will not even try to restore employment protection. Another issue the southern states votes Republican is the abortion issue, if the Republicans try to succeed in getting abortions passed then they will lose a big portion of their voting base who votes against themselves.

[daredtowork]

131. There's defeatism in that

If you look at it that way, the ongoing racism and attachment to abortion boils down to the South being Republican.

The thing is...that's not true. Parts of the South have been heavily Democrat, and a lot of that was based on strong union traditions. Also, the racism tends to be stereotyped from the outside, more variegated when you actually live there and work with people. Democrats haven't been cultivating their labor base in their South because they have dollar bill signs in their eyes over the big International trade deals.

[Thinkingabout]

132. You must not know a lot about the south, I lived the migration of the Democrats to the Republican

party. The unions was never as strong in the south as the north. Dixiecrats is now in the republican party along with the KKK.

[daredtowork]

134. Uh

I was born and raised in rural Virginia, and most of relatives are in North and South Carolina. It sounds like you know about as much about the South as you know about SSI recipients.

[11 Bravo]

8. But ... but … DLC … banks! Surely the Dems lack of purity provides ...

more than enough reasons to sit this one out and give a Republican the chance to install 2, or perhaps 3, members to the SCOTUS.
Hell, surely ideological perfection trumps anything so trivial as a generation of Scalias.

[AtomicKitten]

9. I care.

Who we run matters. It will determine policy and the future of the Democratic Party.

[840high]

10. I care. Would hate to sit home.

[trumad]

13. Maybe I should word this better.

Meaning who runs in the General election.
Nov.4...

[billh58]

11. K & R! n/t

[lpbk2713]

12. That's a large part of why I've voted Dem ever since JFK.

Almost anything is better than voting a (R) in to any elected office AFAIC.

[840high]

96. I don't agree. If Clinton

is our candidate - I'll stay home or write in a name.

[99Forever]

14. Well then, that a major difference between you and I.

I do care, very much so. It's called having ethics.

[hrmjustin]

15. Your saving he doesn't have ethics?

[99Forever]

18. Wouldn't know.

Blind party loyalty has no principles.

[hrmjustin]

20. Well I will vote for Hillary in the primary and the nominee in the general.

I believe in my party.

[99Forever]

24. And I won't for Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton ever...

... as she doesn't have the best interests of working Americans in mind, and is a proven advocate for the 1%.

[hrmjustin]

26. So if she is the nominee you won't vote for her?

[99Forever]

31. I stated my positin perfectly clearly.

'Nuf said.

[hrmjustin]

32. Yes you did. Very sad but your right.

[rhett o rick]

92. What I don't think you understand is that the "Party" can have bad people.

Just because someone uses the label Democrat doesn't mean they follow the Democratic Principles. We need to look deeper than the label. HRC made it very clear in 2002 that it doesn't take much for her to abandon Democrats and support Republicons.

Those Democrats that betrayed their party and helped George Bush kill hundreds of thousands and ruin the lives of 5 million, do not deserve our support. In 2002 I swore I would never support those turn-coat Democrats ever. So be careful who you nominate.

[pintobean]

48. Will you remind us after the primaries?

My memory isn't what it use to be.

[merrily]

79. Failing memory or itchy alert finger?

[pintobean]

84. Maybe

an itchy memory and failing fingers.

I don't remember.

[merrily]

87. I hate it when that happens.

(SNL)

[JaneyVee]

27. Republicans thank you for not voting.

[99Forever]

30. Where did I say I won't be voting?

I don't and won't vote for Republicans, even those trying to hide it by carrying a "D" behind their name.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

41. Just a friendly reminder

Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

[DebJ]

63. Not voting for either the R or the D is the same as voting for the R.

[99Forever]

72. No it is not.

No matter how many times that same lie is told.

[DebJ]

74. You are letting them win.

On edit: sometimes I just want to vote AGAINST the R running, at all costs.

Actually, all of the time.

[99Forever]

104. No mam, I am not "letting" anyone do anything.

I am voting my conscience and ethics. If a political party wants my vote, it falls to them to run candidates that meet that criteria, not the other way around.

[trumad]

107. You can vote for Pat Paulson for all I care...

[99Forever]

116. Not caring...

... Seems to be your point in this thread.

Alright then.

Doesn't work for me, however, as I do care, very much so.

[we can do it]

82. Yes it is X 10

[99Forever]

94. Oh good grief.

[840high]

97. Same old song - tiresome.

[LanternWaste]

123. Seems more and more people lack the conviction to stand in front of what they say and instead...

"Wouldn't know..."

Seems more and more people lack the conviction to stand in front of what they say instead, cowering behind implication whilst reciting banal bumper-stickers.

[NightWatcher]

19. Choosing any Dem over any Pub shows that they do have ethics, and a soul, and a brainstem

[OKNancy]

23. emphasis on the "brain" part

[840high]

100. Give me a Dem candidate who

has ethics, and a soul, and a brainstem.

[world wide wally]

16. Just remember….

If you don't vote for the lesser of two evils sometimes………. you get the greater of two evils every time.

[Cosmic Kitten]

47. It's still evil...

and there's no guarantee you picked the lesser evil

[Andy823]

135. Really?

Do you think that at any time there would be a better republican to vote for as president than any democrat who might be the nominee?

[Cosmic Kitten]

136. Hypothetically, maybe

Is being a *Democrat* a demand
to vote for party registration
over party principles?

If Hillary registered republican and
Jeb Bush registered Democrat
would you vote for Jeb?

Voting for either/or when they are
ideological twins is not a real choice.

In fact its a Hobsnian choice...
take it or leave it, we may already be there

[VanillaRhapsody]

49. Right because they are both the same?

Lame ass bullshit....because Hillary Clinton thinks EXACTLY like Jeb Bush right?

No salary increase for Congress until minimum wage increased. (Jul 2007)
Would accept minimum wage as president. (Jul 2007)
Stand up for unions; organize for fair wages. (Jun 2007)
Get tough with China and bring jobs back home. (Feb 2007)
Minimum wage increases haven’t kept up with Congress’ wages. (Dec 2006)
Passed 2 planks of 7-plank platform, “New Jobs for New York”. (Oct 2006)
Minimum wage should be tied to congressional salaries. (Jun 2006)
Pushed for extension of unemployment insurance. (Feb 2004)
The working poor deserve a living wage. (Oct 1999)
America can afford to raise the minimum wage. (Sep 1999)
Recently “we’re in it together” became “you’re on your own”. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on extending unemployment benefits from 39 weeks to 59 weeks. (Nov 2008)
Voted NO on terminating legal challenges to English-only job rules. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on repealing Clinton's ergonomic rules on repetitive stress. (Mar 2001)
Protect overtime pay protections. (Jun 2003)
Rated 85% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a pro-union voting record. (Dec 2003)
Allow an Air Traffic Controller's Union. (Jan 2006)
Sponsored bill linking minimum wage to Congress' pay raises. (May 2006)
Extend unemployment compensation during recession. (Jan 2008)
Ban discriminatory compensation; allow 2 years to sue. (Jan 2009)
Sponsored bill enforcing against gender pay discrimination. (Jan 2009)

[JaneyVee]

25. A voice of sanity.

[Logical]

28. LOL, you realize who they run matters for your 2nd part? nt

[1000words]

29. Lazy, unprincipled thinking, and far from the empowered act that voting should be.

Last edited Wed Feb 11, 2015, 09:21 PM - Edit history (1)

You're not voting for anything. You are simply rejecting something you fear.

The Party loves you.

[trumad]

33. God I wish I was a lazy thinker. ..

It would keep me off this site and prevent my blood pressure from spiking when some +×!!!%+×× infers that I'm a lazy thinker.

[Android3.14]

40. The evidence suggests otherwise

[VanillaRhapsody]

52. So now you are calling a fellow Democrat that supports Democrats on Democratic Underground

Lazy and unprincipled.

Here's a mirror....you need to take a look!

[stevenleser]

90. 3rd hidden post in 90 days for that person. Seems that person has a problem being constructive

in general.

[VanillaRhapsody]

51. You DO realize this IS Democratic Underground right?

we happy to like Democrats!

[MisterP]

37. so you DO care, then, since "I promise war, GMOs, and bank bailouts" isn't just criticized for

failing some nebulous liberal criteria but because they don't *win*

the real question for the party, as usual since 1994, is how to blame the critics for being right

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. They are?

Not that I have seen....especially about this President....What I have seen is the critics being WRONG over and over and over again!

[BlueCaliDem]

127. I've seen the very same thing.

And they're loathed to apologize for it, too. Instead, they pretend they don't see the posts and facts that have crushed their gripes and have proven their convictions wrong.

I just hope they have the luxury of living in a strong Blue State when they choose to either not vote or vote for some fringe third-party candidate who'll never win an election.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

38. I will support the nominee of the Democratic Party

In 2008, I supported Hillary Clinton. When it became clear that Barack Obama would be the nominee, I made campaign contributions and threw my support to him without reservation.

I make no secret of my support of Hillary Clinton in 2016, but I will support the nominee of the Democratic Party, no matter who that turns out to be.

[Android3.14]

39. Of course you don't care

[bl968]

50. Corporatist Dems need not apply.

A corporatist Democrat is no better than a Republican, and will not get my vote. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. And who would THAT be?

do tell!

[glinda]

55. The only way I would go for her is if we had a large majority in both

Houses and they were not Blue Dogs.Then she would be forced to work for us.She is NOT a friend of the Environment at all.

[DesMoinesDem]

56. Clinton/Bush in 2016! The PERFECT Democratic ticket!!!!

They'll have your vote. Actually, I think you even came up with a slogan for them.

Clinton/Bush. Because you don't care!

Or maybe Zell Miller could run. It's not like it matters to you, all you care about is the letter after their name. Go Team!!!!!

[brer cat]

78. You must not have much of a point to make

if you have to resort to making stuff up. That certainly adds to the level of discussion here...NOT.

[DesMoinesDem]

113. I had a point and made it. Sorry you couldn't understand it.

[L0oniX]

60. Well then ...let the sucking up to the oligarchy begin.

[ColesCountyDem]

62. I will vote my heart in the primary, but my G.E. vote goes to our nominee!

It isn't rocket science, folks-- the worst Democrat is better than the best Teapublican, period.

[olddots]

64. I don't like popularity contests

I am a proud liberal/progressive/lefty and what have you but l know realism when it comes to politics can lead to very bad long term consequences .

I am not ready for Hillary and this ain't sports .

[The Jungle 1]

65. Disturbed

I am really disturbed this cycle.

I don't want another Clinton. Sorry I am not into the dynasty thing. We need new blood. Warren please.

I really don't want Bush. His Terri Schiavo government led thug response is very scary. No x infinity.
That alone should eliminate him. I do not want my government involved in any way with those private, very personal decisions. The law was clear and Bush broke it. That situation should be a hay maker that knocks Bush out.
Bush knew the law gave Mr. Schiavo the full rights to make the decision. He knew he would lose. Yet he used Terri's breathing corpse for political gain. Extending the pain for everyone involved and taking the country to places we should not have gone.
It don't get no lower than that.
Where would a man, like that, take this nation.
I will fight hard against that kind of slime.

[Ramses]

66. So your saying if the Dems run a republican you would vote for them

just because they say they have the letter D after their name?

[merrily]

70. You don't care who the Dems run for President? Wow.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

71. No no no, silly! You must back Hillary, because if she can't beat...

...the other Dems in the primary, she surely won't win the national election.

Somehow, this makes sense to deranged Hillary supporters.

[pnwmom]

75. + a million

[Thekaspervote]

77. Thank you!! For those of you who think otherwise, think of the supremes we will get with some duffus

[Phlem]

85. The Dems had to OK the Supreme court seats during Bush.

Just because you get a Democrat President doesn't your Supreme court nomination will get in. Remember Obstructionism? We could have used some of that during the Bush years.

[Bonobo]

81. When I read this OP title, I assumed it was a "Manny" thread and was one of his over-the-top jokes.

Sadly, it isn't.

No finer example of abdicating one's principles and responsibility could be demonstrated than by saying "I don't care who they are, I will vote for them."

[Terra Alta]

83. I agree completely.

I'll admit, there are some candidates I prefer over others, but in November of 2016 I will vote for the Democratic nominee over the Repuke one, even if I have to hold my nose to do it.

[hay rick]

86. I was going to set the bar lower but you beat me to it.

We can nominate a "Democrat" who will sell out the 99% in a nanosecond but at least he/she won't appoint anti vaxxers to the Supreme Court. I'm there.

[Mnpaul]

88. "Democrats are better than Republicans"

after all, that worked out just peachy in 2010 and 2014. Let's try it again and when it fails blame those who didn't buy into it.

More fail please.

[CrispyQ]

119. +1

We suck less.

What a campaign slogan.

[onehandle]

93. A poll at DU claimed that a third of pollees would not vote Democratic if Hillary is the nominee.

Where's the Democrat in Democratic Underground?

[GoneFishin]

95. I passionately support the status quo, and to that end hereby publicly declare that

I will vote for any candidate who claims to be on my team, asking for nothing in return, no matter how evident it is that they intend to work to undermine my economic well-being, thereby assuring them that they do not need to consider my needs, and freeing them to cast my interests aside and pander to right leaning donors and talking heads.

[Bobbie Jo]

101. It's difficult to take people who

exaggerate to this extreme very seriously.

Not sure what you were going for here, but the sarcasm needs a little fine-tuning.

[barbtries]

102. i agree.

can NOT stomach the thought of a republican in the white house.

[trumad]

103. Just browsed my Op...and am delighted that.

when the Democratic nominee is selected...some in this thread won't be spouting what they are spouting now.

[Marr]

126. Don't you think a more accurate title for your post would be...

"I'm convinced that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee, but afraid that liberals won't vote for someone that far to the right"?

That seems to be the seed of your thought. If it is, why wouldn't you care who gets the nomination? Clinton is a Mitt Romney type-- well-positioned to win the primary, but not a strong candidate for a national election.

[trumad]

137. Nope---

I said the Dem nominee...I'd prefer Liz...but...

[HereSince1628]

105. Easy peasy...

I suspect Thoreau would have said this is how politics corrupts the soul, and why Maistre said, every country gets the government it deserves.

[trumad]

106. I suppose if there's a Republican running against a Democrat in the General Election...

and one votes for the Republican--- then you are fucking idiot.

I suspect trumad said this---

[HereSince1628]

111. Yes, DUs done this chat for over a decade nothing will change anyone's position...

But, at least in a theoretical sense, you must believe that your position rests entirely upon the validity of the presumption all other party's candidates are ALWAYS worse on all the critical issues.

How is it that such rigidity of virtuous party position resulted in complete shifts in political positions of the two major parties?

Why wasn't the democratic party kept from shifting from a dominantly populist pro-union labor party to a party dominated by corporate pragmatism?

[Rex]

108. You don't care, thanks good to know.

[HappyMe]

114. I don't see how anyone would not care.

My husband and I had an interesting conversation with some moderate republican people at the bar recently. They are genuinely nice people, and are disgusted at what the republican party has become. They are shocked at how the "crazy ass extremists" have become the voice of the party. How about Bush? "Hell no!" was the answer we got. What about 2016? "Depends what happens in the primary." They said that they would vote Green Party before they voted republican. No, they aren't interested in Clinton either. So is their vote for a Green party person a vote for Clinton? It makes me wonder how many more Democrats and Republicans are completely disgusted with what is going on.

[sellitman]

112. Hillary will not have my support....

if there is a Primary. If there isn't one or there is and she wins then she will have my total support both financially, physically and vote wise.

[Xyzse]

115. I'm pretty much there too.

That's all I want now.
I mean, I just don't see them running any one who has their priorities down correctly.

Sadly it is ever more apparent that Republican is being synonymous to wrong for the country.

[William769]

120. Kick & highly recommended.

[Marr]

125. If all you demand is a label, that's all you'll get. /nt

[BlueCaliDem]

128. I have always had to vote for the lesser of two evils in ALL elections, since NO candidate has ever

promoted 100% of what I want. But you know what? I live by: one Democrat in the hand is better than two Liberals in the bush.

[obxhead]

129. If Hillary runs your be forced to choose between 2 Republican though.

The primaries matter.

[TheKentuckian]

138. Elections are simply a means not an end. If winning means more corporate capture,

military adventures, exporting our prosperity, scuttling public education, strip mining our rights, and selling the commons then we still lose and if you don't care you are a willing sell out to the very ideals that made you choose this party over the other and have boiled the pot down to the residue of team sports.

If you just want to mindlessly root for a team then there are plenty of poorly managed sports franchise that can use someone with just such a mentality to keep the home fires burning. You can probably even keep it really local, I bet there are high schools and small colleges that have any number of non competitive teams to pull for or if you want to feel like a winner there are over dogs to jump on the bandwagon for too.

All "I don't care" means to me is addiction to the horse race and if that is all you got then tune in TVG they got them all day, every day. If you don't feel good about horses then flip that shit to ESPN.

[ybbor]

139. I am going to vote Dem in 2016

But I do care who runs.

I would prefer a very progressive candidate if possible, but I want the candidate that has the greatest chance to win who ideally leans to the progressive side of the spectrum.

[colsohlibgal]

140. That Attitude Has Cost Us

We should care. Starting with Bill Clinton it's been Third Way most of the way, marrying up with Wall Street and big business.

It's been sleight of hand, using social liberalism to say they are liberal. Socially liberal is as it should be, but it needs to be coupled with economic populism.

And again, had southern democrats not uses tomfoolery to get Henry Wallace off the ticket with FDR in 1944 the world might be in a much better place today. They knew FDR was not going to survive that term and the serious populist/extremely liberal Wallace was not their kind of guy.

[trumad]

141. Yawn