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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:13 PM Feb 2015

Did you know? The sign "$" actually means "peso".

http://observationdeck.io9.com/why-is-the-dollar-sign-a-letter-s-1683940575

1. Where does the word "Dollar" come from?
The "Joachimsthaler" was an important standardized coin in the early 16th century. (Joachimsthal means "Joachim's valley", which lies in Czechia in the former kingdom of Bohemia.)
The word "Thaler" for coins spread to many other languages. In the english world it became "dollar".

2. Where does the sign $ come from?
Conquering Central America made the kingdom of Spain filthy rich. Mid-16th century they issued a new standardized coin that became the new standard for international trade, the "real de a ocho" ("real" being the name of the spanish currency). But more colloquially, the coin was called "peso de ocho", "piece of eight".

Now, where did the sign $ come from? Bookkeeping. The "peso" was the go-to currency for international trade after all.

By the 1770s, the abbreviation was complete and the symbol $ had reached its current form.
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Did you know? The sign "$" actually means "peso". (Original Post) DetlefK Feb 2015 OP
Shave and a Haircut: 2 bits. PeoViejo Feb 2015 #1
Shava and a Haircut: 10 bucks meow2u3 Feb 2015 #18
Fascinating ... n/t libdem4life Feb 2015 #2
Not universally accepted by any means ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #3
Look no farther than a Spanish Empire 8 reales coin Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #17
I really like the old 8R Spanish coins, the variations seem to be endless indie9197 Feb 2015 #19
I have one of the older 8 reales Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #20
As I pointed out below ... eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #21
The two vertical lines probably represented the two sides of the pillar Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #22
Very interesting stuff, DetlefK. Thanks for posting! eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #4
So... GummyBearz Feb 2015 #5
I'm sorry, you will have to use US-pesos. DetlefK Feb 2015 #6
Well great GummyBearz Feb 2015 #8
I thought it had to do with snakes. You know, SNAKES. freshwest Feb 2015 #7
And just what is the problem with SNAKES? Lochloosa Feb 2015 #12
They don't stay in their seats on airplanes! freshwest Feb 2015 #13
How interesting. Thanks for the thread. It's stuff like this that make DU worthwhile. KittyWampus Feb 2015 #9
The "S" is actually for "swag". PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #10
So ... why does a "proper" dollar sign have two vertical strokes ? eppur_se_muova Feb 2015 #11
thanks, I love trivia about Mexico Enrique Feb 2015 #14
Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #16
Then where did the Cifrao come from lumberjack_jeff Feb 2015 #15

eppur_se_muova

(36,299 posts)
3. Not universally accepted by any means ...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 12:26 PM
Feb 2015

A common theory holds that the sign derives from the Spanish coat of arms, which showed the Pillars of Hercules with a banner curling between them.

In 1492, Ferdinand II of Aragon adopted the symbol of the Pillars of Hercules and added the Latin warning Non plus ultra meaning "nothing further beyond", indicating "this is the end of the (known) world". But when Christopher Columbus came to America, the legend was changed to Plus ultra, meaning "further beyond".
Spain's coat of arms

The symbol was adopted by Charles V and was part of his coat of arms representing Spain's American possessions. The symbol was later stamped on coins minted in gold and silver. These coins, depicting the Pillars over two hemispheres and a small "S"-shaped ribbon around each, were spread throughout America, Europe and Asia. According to this theory, traders wrote signs that, instead of saying dollar or peso, had this symbol made by hand, and this in turn evolved into a simple S with two vertical bars.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar_sign#Spanish_coat_of_arms

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
17. Look no farther than a Spanish Empire 8 reales coin
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 08:47 PM
Feb 2015

Specifically, the pillar on the right side. This coin circulated in the 13 colonies, where it was called a "Spanish milled dollar". The 2 reales ("2 bits&quot coin became the US quarter.

indie9197

(509 posts)
19. I really like the old 8R Spanish coins, the variations seem to be endless
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 11:28 PM
Feb 2015

I like that design, but unfortunately I don't have one of those. I recognize the Mexico City mint mark though. Most of mine have the portrait of the ugly guy with the big nose. I especially like the ones with "chop marks" from being circulated in China. Most of mine are very well worn; it is amazing to think of the stories those coins could tell (if coins could tell stories)

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
20. I have one of the older 8 reales
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 12:41 AM
Feb 2015

and several of the smaller denominations from that period. I also have a few silver Spanish coins from the Revolutionary War period (with the portrait of the ugly guy with the big nose-- Carlos IIII), and a couple of gold 4 scudos from that time as well. As you said, it is amazing to think of the stories those coins could tell, especially considering that they may have circulated in the United States as legal tender up to 1857.

And you are right about the Mexico City mintmark-- an M with a circle above it, which is still used today.

eppur_se_muova

(36,299 posts)
21. As I pointed out below ...
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 01:40 AM
Feb 2015

Where did the "proper" dollar sign with TWO vertical strokes come from ? The Pillars of Hercules (see the pic in my first reply) makes sense in this case ... "PS" does not ... I am starting to believe it may have been a convergence, with two somewhat similar symbols being confused with each other, and eventually fusing into one ... maybe, maybe not.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
5. So...
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:01 PM
Feb 2015

I signed a lease for $1500/month rent. Does this mean I can legally start paying that rent in pesos instead of US dollars?

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
8. Well great
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 01:16 PM
Feb 2015

Thanks for getting my hopes up, then crushing them. I thought for a minute there I wouldn't need to go to work today

All sarcasm btw... thanks for the trivia fact, and I actually do need to get going to work. Have a good day!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
14. thanks, I love trivia about Mexico
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 05:12 PM
Feb 2015

here's one of my favorites:

Most people don't know that back in 1912, Hellmann's mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, Mexico, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York.

This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to Mexico. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.

The people of Mexico, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day.

The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.

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