Bruce Jenner: I was fleeing paparazzi before the crash.

[pnwmom]

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His claim is certainly possible. What a tragedy.

On edit: there are photos out there now purporting to be his vehicle "at the moment of impact" -- which supports his claim. Someone was shooting photographs at the moment he hit the smaller vehicle. Why is it legal for paparazzi to shoot photos of people who are trying to drive?

Further edit: apparently it isn't legal -- at least in California. See the third link below.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/bruce_jenner_allegedly_fleeing.html

Former Olympian Bruce Jenner, allegedly being chased by paparazzi, was involved in a 3-car accident Saturday that has left a woman dead.

According to the website TMZ, Jenner told police he was fleeing paparazzi on the Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu, California, when he hit the back of a car, knocking it into oncoming traffic. The car was then struck by a Hummer at the intersection.

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The woman whose car was knocked into the intersection died in the accident. According to an Associated Press story, Sgt. Matt Dunn says the crash happened shortly after noon Saturday near Corral Canyon Road.

According to The Los Angeles Times, law enforcement sources said paparazzi were on-scene, but it was unclear as to whether they played a part in the accident.


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http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce-jenner-fatal-car-accident-pacific-coast-highway-malibu-photo-dead/

3:45 PM PT Law enforcement sources tell TMZ ... Bruce volunteered to go to the hospital to have his blood drawn for blood alcohol testing. He was taken in a Sheriff's cruiser. We've also learned the woman who was killed in the white car was coming to a stop at a red light when Bruce hit her. We're told law enforcement has already determined Bruce was not speeding.


http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/30/justin-bieber-legal-groundbreaker/

But it’s already a crime in California to willfully interfere with someone driving a car, to follow a car more closely than is reasonable and prudent, or to drive recklessly. AB 2479 upped the ante, making car chasing with the intent to photograph or sound record punishable by jail — as much as a year if there is a child in the car.

[FLPanhandle]

1. It's no excuse.

So paparazzi were taking his picture, so fucking what?

Avoiding a picture is not an excuse for endangering lives.

Let them have their pictures and drive safely.

[pnwmom]

2. Without knowing the circumstances how do you know?

If he was being tailed closely that could have been a major distraction.

[FLPanhandle]

5. Lots of things and other drivers can cause distractions

It's a drivers job to operate their vehicle safely.

He killed someone because he didn't want his picture taken.

[pnwmom]

6. Easy for you to say. You must be a perfect driver, never distracted by anything.

Everyone is till they aren't.

[FLPanhandle]

19. This isn't about me, and that's a silly argument/tactic.

This is about someone who was driving recklessly and killed another person because they didn't want their precious picture taken.

[CatWoman]

26. agreed FL

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and want to add: this family went way out of the way to garner fame/recognition/notoriety.

they whored themselves out to the nth degree.

they must live with the consequences -- one of which is being pursued by paparazzi.

[JI7]

30. that's the thing that makes me most angry about this

i have no sympathy for them even in just having the paparazzi chasing them . they seek it out and are famous for no other reason. i know bruce jenner himself didn't became famous this way but recently that's how they have been making money.

[pnwmom]

62. The only reason paparazzi are chasing him now is because of he's about to out himself as transgender

Bruce Jenner's day is largely past and he wouldn't be getting this kind of attention otherwise. After a year of rumors, he finally decided to go public and use his fame to help other transgender people. I respect him for that.

[cui bono]

70. Not really, it's because he's a *famous* person who is transgender.

The paparazzi isn't out chasing non-famous transgenders.

It does come down to him being famous.

[pnwmom]

72. And he's famous because he was an Olympic Medalist decades ago.

Otherwise no one would care about him. Should Olympic Medalists have to be chased by paps for the rest of their lives?

[cui bono]

74. No. He's famous now because he was on a reality show with the Kardashians.

Most young people and Kardashian fans probably don't really know about his athletic background.

And even if it were due to the Olympic medals only, it's still not just because he's transgender, it's because he's famous and transgender. And hey, I don't hear anything about the paparazzi bothering Lana Warchowski and she went through the operation. It's mainly because he's famous in current pop culture.

[pnwmom]

81. They wouldn't be chasing him now if it weren't for the transgender story.

His reality TV profile is not that much of a big deal, especially at his age. No one would care about him if it weren't for the juicy story.

[CatWoman]

84. two words

Chasity Bono

but then, his mother isn't famous for starring in a sex tape

[JI7]

75. this family has welcomes paparazzi for some years now , that's how they make a lot of money

[840high]

78. +10

[madinmaryland]

67. Just like gun owners???? They are model citizens until they aren't.

Fuck the NRA.

[RichGirl]

111. Everybody gets distracted at some point...

...and many have accidents...AND they pay the price for it. Each person is responsible for their own distraction and the result of it. Doesn't matter how many other people it happens too.

The "it happens to everyone" plea doesn't do well in court.

[Kaleva]

37. As others have said, he chose this life.

[pnwmom]

65. Actually, no. He didn't choose to be born a woman in a man's body.

And he didn't choose to have people giggling for the last year about his Adam's apple surgery and other changes that he's been undergoing. That's why he's getting chased by paparazzi now, not because he won some medals decades ago.

I respect him for his decision to come forward (not that he had much choice, not if he was going through with the transition.) It's hard enough to be transgender if you're not so high profile. I can't imagine how hard it must have been for him.

[Kaleva]

77. He choose to be a reality tv and check out magazine celebrity.

[RichGirl]

112. EVERYBODY has things in their lives that they have no control over.

And they also have choices. Jenner, having some fame and money had more choices than the average person. He could have chosen to stay out of the public eye, at least when he realized he was trans. Instead, he does a reality show. Go to the grocery store...his picture is in or on almost every magazine. You think he had no choice! He could have moved or stayed home instead of parading around LA where all the paps are. Many, many stars way more famous than Jenner are never in celeb magazines. They have CHOSEN a private life and Jenner had that CHOICE too.

[roguevalley]

3. wanting to be famous when it suits you is no excuse. He wasn't in

danger until he drove recklessly. The idiot.

[pnwmom]

7. How do you know he drove recklessly? I was hit from behind by someone

who was driving only 30 miles an hour. But he was distracted by his stupid cell phone.

[Exhibit A]

8. You don't think it's reckless to drive distracted by a cell phone? n/t

[pnwmom]

10. I think that IS an example of driving recklessly. But I haven't heard evidence

that Jenner was driving recklessly. He could have just been distracted by other drivers crowding him.

[Exhibit A]

14. Nonsense.

Rear-ending another car is almost always a matter of recklessness. Even if you blame road conditions -- say, ice -- the driver is still reckless if they're not driving in a way that compensates for the ice. I don't know why you're so invested in defending Jenner, but the reality is that he was being a self-absorbed asshole and someone died because of it.

[ga_girl]

23. Tell that to the widow of Milton Olin

n/t

[pnwmom]

33. I am invested in the idea of not judging people before the facts are in. n/t

[JI7]

38. we knwo there was an accident and someone died and jenner was in the car that hit the woman who died

jenner himself says he was fleeing paparazzi .

[pnwmom]

41. IF what Jenner said is true -- and I acknowledge we don't know you -- then I think

the photographers are partially responsible.

They shouldn't be photographing people who are driving. If they do, they can cause a distraction leading to accidents like this.

[JI7]

43. BS , there are bigger stars who get far more paparazzi after them and don't cause accidents like

this.

[pnwmom]

48. So what? It still shouldn't be legal, even if it is rare. It's too dangerous

and completely unnecessary. They can get the pictures they need other than through the windows of two moving cars.

[JI7]

49. what's dangerous is how Jenner was driving, that family makes a living with their relationship with

paparazzi so it's even worse in their case to play victim when it comes to paps.

[pnwmom]

96. What do you know about how he was driving?

What I read is that he passed sobriety tests and volunteered for a blood test for drugs and alcohol. And he wasn't exceeding the speed limit.

[elias7]

54. Not sure I agree given his recent news

They must share the blame. At least as much of a distraction as texting or alcohol.

[Yo_Mama]

31. When you hit somone in front of you, you are driving recklessly

That pretty much goes without saying, legally and ethically.

Unless, of course, someone hits your car and catapults it forward.

You can't blame this sort of thing on photographers. Being tailed by photographers is not an excuse for slamming into the car in front of you.

Very sad news, and a woman died because of this.

[kcr]

40. He claims he was trying to avoid paparazzi

That's evidence he was driving recklessly. Trying to avoid people taking your picture because of fame you chose isn't an excuse to cause a wreck.

[cwydro]

55. Dollars to doughnuts

he was on his phone.

Just a wild guess.

[JI7]

59. check out the pics before he hits the car, at least one looks like he is looking down at something

[cwydro]

60. I saw that too.

Only takes a second. Especially pulling a trailer like that.

[pnwmom]

61. You're right -- it only takes a second. Which is why it's wrong for paparazzi to shoot photos

at people trying to drive moving vehicles.

[cwydro]

64. Hey, I totally agree on the pap part of this story.

But in no way does it excuse him.

He was not speeding, so he was not trying to "get away."

Besides, he and his atrocious family feed off fame. They love the attention, and he himself has courted it.

They should be able to drive without distraction since they have these parasites following them daily (which they WANT).

Or get a damn driver.

I hope he gets sued bigtime. (and I am not a lawsuit proponent normally).

That woman is DEAD because he and his family of fools only want to be celebrities. Yuck.

[pnwmom]

68. It doesn't automatically excuse him -- but it makes them share some of the responsibility, in my opinion.

The woman may be dead because Jenner was getting followed by paps chasing the transgender story. Otherwise, they wouldn't have had a bit of interest in getting a photo of Jenner, who is long past his prime.

There is plenty of blame to spread around.

[cwydro]

69. I'll agree with you there.

No worries.

He will not face any penalty most likely. Whereas you or I would be facing tickets or charges, he'll only have to worry about the probable lawsuit.

Nothing will happen to the paps at all.

[pnwmom]

71. I don't know what the circumstances are, so I don't know if he deserves any penalty.

I'm reserving judgment on that, unlike some others here. (Not you.)

But I think any state that has laws against cell phones while driving should have laws against paps shooting photos at people who are driving. Both actions could cause serious distractions.

[cwydro]

73. Yeah, I'm just going on the premise

that a rear end accident is the rear-enders fault (somehow that sounds dirty lol).

He won't incur charges.

The whole pap thing is ridiculous. They are truly parasites.

However, some (many?) celebrities want the attention.

[LisaL]

9. Being distracted by a cell phone (while driving) and causing an accident is reckless.

[pnwmom]

12. Yeah, and Jenner wasn't accused of doing that, so I don't think we should be saying he was reckless

till we know more.

[Lonusca]

115. The police are getting a warrant

Looks like he may be reading his phone from this picture

http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/08/bruce-jenner-texting-search-warrant-fatal-accident-search/

[roguevalley]

28. you weren't by your own words stating that you were fleeing being chased nor are there pictures

showing foot by foot him ramming this woman from behind so hard that in the last frame her car is shown swerving into the next lane. Its there in color. It isn't me guessing. The data is there.

[cwydro]

36. I was kind of on his side until

I heard the transgender community is calling him out.

He's using the whole thing for a Kardashian episode - then to springboard into his own show.

Get a damn driver. I have no sympathy except for the innocent woman killed.

[braddy]

4. What kind of "fleeing" was needed, that results in driving that kills people?

[pnwmom]

16. We don't know. If you had multiple drivers crowding you from behind and to the side,

maybe you would get distracted, too. And want to get away.

Maybe people should wait for more details before blaming Jenner.

[braddy]

24. I've done a lot of driving, and if people aren't shooting at you, or deliberately trying to kill

you with their car, then you simply drive, it isn't like he was fleeing for his life and they were hit men, they were merely following him and he didn't want the bother.

[Yo_Mama]

32. I've got to agree.

There are way more potentially distracting things an average driver has to deal with than cars with photographers following you. It's a basic standard to at least pay attention to the vehicles in front.

[Yo_Mama]

34. Can't you at least pretend to care about the woman who died????

There are pictures, unfortunately.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/07/bruce-jenner-fatal-car-accident-pacific-coast-highway-malibu-photo-dead/

He was towing a vehicle, which meant he needed to drive more slowly because you can't stop as quickly, and also that a collision like this is more serious for the front vehicle because of more transmitted force. This bullshit about photographers doesn't wash.

I feel sorry for him, because no one is a perfect driver, but I feel almost INFINITELY more sorry for the dead woman, the other person who was driving the vehicle that inflicted the fatal impact, and the families of all concerned.

This doesn't make him an evil person, but the accident is entirely his fault. I'm somewhat chilled and disturbed by your concern for him and seeming indifference to the casualties.

We should all take away from this a lesson in being attentive drivers, because most of us have had a moment when this could have happened. When you are towing something, it's especially your responsibility to see that you DON'T HAVE THAT MOMENT.

[pnwmom]

35. I feel sorry for everyone concerned. That's beside the point.

I don't think photographers should be chasing people -- celebrities or not -- while they're driving. IF that was what was happening here (we don't know), THEN I think the photographers were partially to blame.

[ND-Dem]

45. I do too. I don't understand why everyone else seems determined to give the papparazi a pass.

I for one find it very difficult to drive just when someone's tailgating me, let alone when they're tailgating *and* snapping pictures, *and* getting up beside me. Especially when their actions are forcing me to drive at speeds I don't like.

[pnwmom]

47. I don't either. Nor do I understand

all the people who are so smug about their driving skills that they can't imagine how someone could get distracted in this stressful situation.

[cwydro]

39. Drive slowly and pay attention.

He killed someone due to his carelessness.

The man is rich enough to hire a driver.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

11. Isnt Diana dead because of this kind of deal?

I have no sympathy for someone who's biggest problem is he is rich and famous, but I suppose what we dont know is that overtime these experiences with paparazzi can be quite troubling and often scary.

[pnwmom]

13. Yes, and she being driven by a professional driver. And I remember there was more than one

car pursuing her. I wonder what the situation was with Jenner.

[Cleita]

17. Diana's "professional" driver was liquored up having been drinking

in the hotel bar several hours previous to the fatal crash.

[FLPanhandle]

18. And if Diana's professional driver had just driven the speed limit...

She would still be alive.

Avoiding a picture is not an excuse to endangering lives.

[Cleita]

21. And if he were sober, he might have made a sensible decision to do just that

instead of trying to be a show off race car driver.

[elias7]

53. A whole lot of assumptions there

Perhaps you're right, perhaps not. Dispute exists as to his sobriety. Don't know where you got the bit about showing off. Some even claim it was a hit.

[pnwmom]

80. I read that he passed the field sobriety tests. n/t

[Chemisse]

86. I followed the story at the time, and it seemed to be irrefutable that he was intoxicated.

All the other possible explanations were far more intriguing than the drunk driver one, and I recall being mildly disappointed that the whole thing happened for such a mundane reason.

[ND-Dem]

46. so they said.

[JI7]

20. Diana's Driver was drunk

[elias7]

50. That is open to debate

[Cleita]

15. PCH is a dangerous road. There are hardly any intersections because of

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cliffs on one side and beach on the other side. That makes people tend to go too fast. If one person disrupts the flow of traffic accidents happen. I have seen many accidents and fatalities on that stretch of road all the way to Zuma Beach over the many years I lived in Santa Monica. Jenner should have waited until he reached one of the canyon roads where it would have been easy to ditch them.

[zappaman]

22. Yup and still is dangerous.

There are sooo many accidents and too many are deadly.
Every once in a whole a bicyclist is killed and I always wonder why on Earth they thought riding that highway was a good idea. I get nervous riding on roads that actually have a bike lane!

[Cleita]

25. Especially since there is a paved bike path over the beach away from the

highway. There is no need to use the highway.

[zappaman]

27. Exactly!

I ride it as often as I can.
Recently, orcas have been visiting and it's a great sight!

[cwydro]

42. Me too!

I used to ride on US 1 in the Keys.

Numerous bike fatalities. One day I woke up and stopped doing that.

Maybe I just got older. I ride all the time, but I choose my streets/highways as carefully as possible.

[FLPanhandle]

44. US1 in the keys is deadly

It's a little better now with some of the road improvements, but I wouldn't ride that one either.

[cwydro]

109. I also used to ride on 535 I think it is

in Central FLA. They had bumper stickers for CARS that read "arrive alive on 535, it was that bad.

I was young and fearless in those days. Amazing I lived to my ripe old age - to ride now on the sedate greenway paths of Charlotte.

[VanillaRhapsody]

104. that is where I got my first drivers license!

I used to flag traffic on the Seven Mile Bridge.....one day there was a major collision....a propane truck was struck from behind by another truck who supposedly nodded off...thankfully no one was killed.

[cwydro]

110. Is that the one that caught fire?

I remember one accident with a motorcycle vs car. The biker went off the bridge - they found his body near Big Pine Key a week later.

I rode my bike across that damn bridge too. I was an idiot in those days lol.

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. No but that is where I lived....Big Pine Key!

It didn't catch fire....I was however on the other end and watched it happen...and D.O.T. told me had that propane truck exploded....I would have been the only one on the crew to survive! Scared the shit out of me!

[cwydro]

117. Seen some bad wrecks there

There was an explosion when I was still in the keys. Closed the bridge for quite some time. Can't remember the specifics though.

[Liberal_in_LA]

63. didnt Ben Vereen get hit by someone famous on pch?

Yeah the traffic flows fast on pch. It can be slowed down by adding stop lights at non intersections. sunset has a stop light that's triggered by speed of approaching cars. Near ucla

[X_Digger]

29. Vehicular homicide. I don't care if there's a goddamned parade float behind you..

.. rear-ending someone and pushing them into traffic is vehicular homicide.

[TheCowsCameHome]

51. ^^^this^^^

There's no excuse for plowing into someone just because someone/thing is perceived to be on your tail.

Pull over and stop the damn vehicle before you kill somone.

[cwydro]

56. Everyone knows a rear-end collision is the fault of the person who rear-ends the other.

I'm thinking he will be looking at a major lawsuit.

Deservedly so.

[840high]

79. Yes it is.

[Nailzberg]

52. The whole thing about fleeing paps is just TMZ sensational garbage.

La County Sheriff's Dept. investigators never said he was speeding or fleeing. That was TMZ.

Bruce has been followed by paps for years, he doesn't need to lead them on chases.

Something distracted him, or he misjudged his stopping distance while towing, but this is likely just a "regular" fatal collision, and not some reckless high-speed paparazzi chase everyone's imagining.

[LisaL]

58. There are photos of the incident. So obviously paps were there right next to the car.

[pnwmom]

66. That's what the restaurant owner said. The paps were there immediately. That's hard to explain

if they hadn't been chasing him.

[JI7]

76. it's not hard to explain, many "celebs" tip off the paps because they want to be talked about

[Nailzberg]

89. Its easy to explain. Paps follow people to were they're going. Doesn't make it a chase.

He was doing the speed limit approaching a light. Two cars ahead of him stopped. He didn't. He was still a good way from the signal, so I don't know if it was really backed up that far (certainly possible there) or if the Prius ahead of the Lexus stopped for an unknown reason, but Jenner didn't stop. For that alone he is most likely at fault. But there are no indications he was fleeing or being chased.

"'PCH is a straight road. There's no place to go to evade,' [LASD SGT. Phillip] Brooks said. 'Being a celebrity, he's often followed by the paparazzi and he's aware of that. He was on his way home, and they happen to know his route.'" - NY Times

"Jenner did not appear to be chased by paparazzi at the time of the crash, although they were following him..." - Hollywood Reporter

[pnwmom]

90. He was deliberately being followed. Whether he was chased or not, the paps were

a distraction that shouldn't have been allowed to happen. Photographers shouldn't be allowed to "follow" OR "chase" vehicles, shooting photos of people who are trying to drive.

[X_Digger]

92. Your statements are becoming increasingly absurd as this thread goes on.

One citizen shouldn't be able to follow another citizen on a public street? Do I have that right?

What expectation of privacy does one have on a public street?

Does this magical rule only apply to people you want it to, or does it also apply to someone filming a crime in progress, "No pictures, please!"?

How about cops? Oh, it doesn't apply to them, right?

[pnwmom]

93. Yes, you have that right. In some circumstances, one citizen shouldn't be allowed to follow

another citizen on a public street.

We have stalking laws that prevent some citizens from following others on public streets.

And they should apply to paparrazi who, in their pursuit of a targeted driver, pose risks both to the target and to other drivers in the area.

[JI7]

94. so pass a fucking law to stop it, but in the case of Jenner/Kardashian family they WELCOME the

paparazzi. that's how they make a lot of money today.

[pnwmom]

95. Actually, there is such a law in California. So I guess we'll see whether it applies.

http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/30/justin-bieber-legal-groundbreaker/

But it’s already a crime in California to willfully interfere with someone driving a car, to follow a car more closely than is reasonable and prudent, or to drive recklessly. AB 2479 upped the ante, making car chasing with the intent to photograph or sound record punishable by jail — as much as a year if there is a child in the car.

[Nailzberg]

97. Yes, but he is followed everywhere he goes. Its nothing new to him. Likely wasn't his distraction.

He could have been on the phone. He could have been texting. The onion could have fallen out of his double-double and onto his lap.

He could have been not distracted at all, but following too close and unable to stop in time. He was towing a quad and trailer, after all.

[pnwmom]

99. I doubt that this 65 year old was followed very much till the transgender stories appeared.

He is long past his prime.

[JI7]

101. then you haven't been paying attention , the entire fucking family WANTED to be followed and got

paid for it

[pnwmom]

102. No matter. It's against the law in California for photographers to follow people who are driving.

And it makes sense, because they are not only putting their target at risk, but everyone else on the road near them.


http://ideas.time.com/2012/07/30/justin-bieber-legal-groundbreaker/

But it’s already a crime in California to willfully interfere with someone driving a car, to follow a car more closely than is reasonable and prudent, or to drive recklessly. AB 2479 upped the ante, making car chasing with the intent to photograph or sound record punishable by jail — as much as a year if there is a child in the car.

[Nailzberg]

88. Those moment of impact photos? Taken from across the street and from the opposite direction?

I'm gonna need an explanation on how that would be taken from someone "chasing" him.

[pnwmom]

103. More than one pap vehicle could have been involved, as is often the case. n/t

[R B Garr]

105. And he's always photographed getting gas in the area,

so they obviously follow him.

[Archae]

57. I'm reminded of the Claymation segment in "Moonwalker..."

The Michael Jackson movie, the song "Speed Demon."

[cwydro]

82. Latest from NYTimes

Sgt. Philip Brooks of the Sheriff’s Department told reporters that there was no evidence that Mr. Jenner was trying to evade paparazzi at the time of the accident, as some websites have reported. Mr. Jenner, he said, told officers that he is routinely followed but that was not the case on Saturday.

[dissentient]

83. Well, there goes his reality show and career, and I hope he gets the book thrown at him

for this. Manslaughter. But of course, he will probably get off lightly, with a fancy high priced lawyer team, like most celebrities do when they commit crimes.

[pnwmom]

91. Why? For what could have been a moment of distraction?

With no evidence of drug or alcohol use or speeding?

Is that the same standard that should apply to you if you ever get distracted and make a mistake while driving?

We really don't know yet what happened. Why not wait and find out the facts before starting the witch-hunt?

[Logical]

108. So you dont agree he should be able to hire good lawyers??? Nt

[Chemisse]

85. I don't see how that is a valid excuse.

It's not like he was fleeing for his life (if it is true); a woman had to die because he wanted some privacy and was willing to drive recklessly to get it.

[pnwmom]

87. Maybe it isn't. But I don't see how it's a valid practice for paparazzi to shoot photos

of people who are driving cars.

We regulate cell phone use in cars. We should regulate photographers chasing down people who are trying to drive.

[Chemisse]

107. I agree. It must be horrific trying to live like that.

And it's hard to fathom that it is not a crime to harass someone to that extreme.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

98. "a crime in California ... to follow a car more closely than is reasonable and prudent"

If that law was fully enforced, half the drivers in California would be prosecuted. I almost always seem to be staring at a car in my rear view mirror less than a car length or two behind, no matter the speed. Drivers in California are pretty obnoxious about that. They seem to delight in tailgating in the slow lane miles ahead of their off ramp because they are too lazy to look in their sideview mirror, turn the steering wheel, and pass.

[pnwmom]

100. I've noticed that. It may be especially unnerving when you're an out-of-stater who's not used to it.

[pansypoo53219]

106. i figured it was something like this. or i KNEW they were involved.

[DrDan]

113. so????? One still has to obey the law and keep a safe distance so as to avoid rear-end collisions

no sympathy from me

[NaturalHigh]

114. Even if that's true...

I'm not clear on why that should be an excuse for this woman's death. Fleeing from someone trying to take your picture is a little different than fleeing for your life.

I understand that it's against the law in California for paparazzi to take your picture while you're driving. That really doesn't change the fact that he is part of a family that has spent years making a living by showing every personal moment to anyone who cares to watch, and that this one time he claims he didn't want his picture taken, he was reckless and killed someone.

Sorry, this doesn't pass the smell test.