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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:01 AM Feb 2015

"so you want me to eat...SPINACH ?!!"

Julia Child famously remarked that "American are afraid of food." As a high profile chef and PBS cooking show host she was at the forefront of the on-going national debate about what is healthy to put on one's body and what is not, at a time when margarine was being pimped as healthier than butter.

As ready-to-eat foods have become increasingly popular, the debate has widened. In addition to what NOT to put in one's body we are told that we may be lacking in many key nutrients. Targets have been established for the intake of nutrients and when a person is found to be lacking in the intake of some of them, they may be encouraged to take supplements in pill form. As always, processed food manufacturers are keen to cover the packaging of their processed foods with heath claims and to add things to their foods that allow them to make these claims. For example orange juice is available with added calcium.

Supplements are a huge business as American spend more that $60 billion annually on pills and powders. The industry has grown so quickly that studies and regulators are just now catching up. The simple equation that says 'if a nutrient is good for me then more is better" makes sense to many and many people supplement their diet empirically.

Meanwhile recent studies are showing that many, by no means all, supplements are ineffective in delivering the promised nutrients to the body. In some cases this is because the nutrients are not bio-available and therefore not absorbed by the body. In other cases, artificial supplementation has been shown to be dangerous. Perhaps the best example of this is calcium supplementation.

Calcium supplementation seems like a good idea. No one wants hip fractures or osteoporosis so CW says that more calcium can help build denser, stronger bones. Many brands of orange juice offer versions with calcium supplementation. Putting aside for a moment the fact that the American diet is loaded with fructose (simple fruit sugars such as HFCS) and the easy absorption of fructose may stress the pancreas and add to body weight, orange juice with calcium added may seem like some kind of super food -- vitamin C, fiber, a little vitamin A and then the added calcium. What could be wrong with that ?

Researchers are answering that question and the answer is not good news.

A large study of 24,000 men and women aged 35–64 years published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in 2012 found that those who used calcium supplements had a 139% greater risk of heart attack during the 11-year study period, while intake of calcium from food did not increase the risk. A meta-analysis of studies involving more than 12,000 participants also published in BMJ found that calcium supplementation increases the risk of heart attack by 31%, stroke by 20% and death from all causes by 9%.

An analysis involving 12,000 men published in JAMA Internal Medicine found that intakes of over 1,000 mg of supplemental calcium per day (from multivitamins or individual supplements) were associated with a 20% increase in the risk of death from CVD.
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The Office of Dietary Supplements at the National Institutes of Health (UK) has compiled a comprehensive review of the health risks associated with excess calcium, particularly from supplementation. (9) For example, daily supplementation of calcium at 1000 milligrams is associated with increased prostate cancer risk and an increase in kidney stones. (10) Additionally, a recent Swedish study reported a 40% higher risk of death among women with high calcium intakes (1400 mg and above), and a 157% higher risk of death if those women were taking a 500 mg calcium supplement daily, compared to women with moderate daily calcium intakes (600-1000 mg). (11) A Consumer Lab analysis found that many of the calcium supplements they analyzed failed quality testing, including lead contamination and mislabeled contents.


But how?

Researchers suspect that the large burst of calcium in the blood that occurs after supplementation may facilitate the calcification of arteries, whereas calcium obtained from food is absorbed at slower rates and in smaller quantities than from supplements. (7) It is also suspected that extra calcium intake above one’s requirements is not absorbed by bones, but rather excreted in the urine, increasing the risk of calcium kidney stones, or circulated in the blood, where it might attach to atherosclerotic plaques in arteries or heart valves.


http://chriskresser.com/calcium-supplements-why-you-should-think-twice

I was visiting some friends and saw their father in his 80s, eating a bowl of Cheerios with non-fat milk EVERY morning for breakfast. The legendary cereal proudly proclaims that the "first ingredient" on the label is grains put a closer look will show you that the calories in these Cheerios are mostly coming from the brown sugar. A limited diet that his doctor has advised them to supplement with supplement pills. In other words, the doctor's advice for the limitation of processed food was supplements -- the most processed of processed foods.

Trying to be helpful without being annoying (notice I said "trying&quot , I asked if he like to eat spinach. He has survived a couple of minor strokes and is slowing down verbally. He made that yuck face that 4 year-old would make so that's a "no." He's made it to 80 so surely he is doing something right and I left it alone but it got me thinking:

How did we get to a place where people put more faith in pills that may or may not be bio-available, that may do more harm than good and where the proven safe and bio-available nutrients of whole foods are seen as either not enough or not an option?

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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
1. In his defense, my family only served that spinich in a can crap.
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:25 AM
Feb 2015

I always thought I hated Spinich, until I tried fresh spinich.

I suspect many people have not really tried fresh whole foods in this day of processed food and fast food, so many probably don't know.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
3. it can be hard to get a second chance for some foods like that
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:41 AM
Feb 2015

I am still traumatized by those cafeteria peas that look like little golf balls.

My grandparents would boil the heck out of vegetables then drown them in butter and salt. I think an easy way to get a good dose of spinach is to saute it in a little olive oil until it wilts down, about 60 seconds and then some garlic and a couple drops of balsamic vinegar.

It could be psychological but I swear I feel better when I eat spinach and other nutrient dense leafy greens. Also seems to increase sex drive and performance.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
9. To which I would add that the 'savoy' types with crinkly leaves
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 09:07 AM
Feb 2015

are especially good in salads and quiche as they 'toss well' and don't lay in a flat mat-like mass.



DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
2. A story my grandma once told me about spinach:
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:26 AM
Feb 2015

There was a toddler in our extended family, I don't remember who it was. (Maybe one of my cousins.)
One day, the family had spinach, egg-bread (sort of like salty french toast) and boiled potatoes. The toddler got premade spinach baby-food bought from a store. He absolutely didn't like it and created so much drama until my grandma finally lost her patience. She swapped the spinach baby-food for the spinach she had made with white roux and garlic. After a few bites, the toddler grabbed a spoon and started eating by himself.



It's all a matter how people are raised. If they are raised on processed food, they like processed food later in life. If they are raised with a cuisine with fresh ingredients, they like fresh ingredients later in life.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. Basically yes.
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:57 AM
Feb 2015

For this recipe, you start by blanching, draining and chopping the spinach.

Chop the garlic really fine and roast it in butter for a little bit.

Add a spoon of flour to the garlic and roast a little bit, but add (lukewarm) water before everything turns brown. Add the spinach and some cream, season with salt and pepper. Boil for a little bit, done.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
4. Your friends' father had stokes and you want him to eat spinach
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:43 AM
Feb 2015

Just a thought, he may be on Coumadin, a blood thinner. If so spinach because of its high vitamin K counters the effect of the drug. Leafy greens have the highest Vitamin K content. 1/2 cup of Spinach has 1111% of daily value. The excess of the vitamin is not harmful to people not on blood thinners.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. Two things I (still) love about DU
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 08:51 AM
Feb 2015

1 - instant feedback about how you have presented your argument or POV. (I should have made this less about one person because I am thinking more in the general vein.)

and 2 - the chance to learn from others who each bring their own perspective and knowledge to tell you how you are, or might be wrong. Hadn't thought about the vitamin K. Thank you TP.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. A serving of Cheerios has one gram of sugar. A gram of sugar has 4 calories, a serving of Cheerios
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 10:36 AM
Feb 2015

has 100 calories. I don't eat any grains at all, but Cheerios calories are not mostly from sugar.

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