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applegrove

(118,665 posts)
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:18 PM Feb 2015

Paul Ryan’s Most Shameless Lie Ever

Paul Ryan’s Most Shameless Lie Ever

By Jonathan Chait at NY Magazine

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/02/paul-ryans-most-shameless-lie-ever.html

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Shamelessness is the primary feature of Paul Ryan’s public persona (the secondary feature being a woundedness he displays when his shamelessness is pointed out). Yet it is possible that nothing in Ryan’s long and distinguished career in the field of shamelessness has ever exceeded his comments in yesterday’s New York Times on the Obama budget. Ryan’s complaint is that Obama’s economic policies have exacerbated the gap between the rich and the poor. “The Obamanomics that we’re practicing now have exacerbated inequality,” he claims. “They’ve exacerbated stagnation. They’re made things worse. The wealthy are doing really well. They’re practicing trickle down economics now.”

What gives Ryan’s comments a veneer of plausibility is that income inequality has increased continuously, punctuated by a few short reversals, for more than three decades. Economists have extensively studied and debated the cause of rising inequality for years, clustering about multiple theories: the decline of labor unions, technological change, the growth of finance, and so on. None of the theories blame Obama’s economic policies.

We also do not yet know at this point whether the current recovery will produce the sort of rapid growth that lifts incomes in the middle and bottom, like the economy did at the height of the 1990s boom, or whether it will fail to do so, as happened during the previous recovery. It is worth pointing out that, comparing the previous two economic cycles, the one that followed the economic policies advocated by Ryan at the time, the Bush recovery, yielded stagnant incomes for middle- and working-class Americans, while the Clinton recovery, the one that favored higher taxes on the rich, bitterly opposed by Ryan, yielded much greater success. This contrast does not prove that the Democratic agenda necessarily produces stronger growth than the Republican agenda, but it certainly undercuts Ryan’s belief that the opposite is true.

What can be proven beyond a doubt is that, even if underlying economic trends have increased inequality, Obama’s economic policies have reduced it sharply. The stimulus included tax cuts for low-wage workers, and the Affordable Care Act was financed in part by higher taxes on the rich. Back when conservatives were lambasting Obama for stealing hard-earned money from the rich and handing it out to the unworthy poor, rather than pretending to worry about inequality, they were happy to make this perfectly clear.

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Paul Ryan’s Most Shameless Lie Ever (Original Post) applegrove Feb 2015 OP
Cause something to happen then get public to judge your victim on it. Typical psychopath. applegrove Feb 2015 #1
+ 1 Botany Feb 2015 #10
Roll back the Reagan tax cuts on billionaires. make voting mandatory bjobotts Feb 2015 #15
how about raising the minimum wage? Botany Feb 2015 #17
Yes, Charlie Pierce had Paul Ryan's number from the get go.. "Zombie-eyed Granny Starver".. freaking Cha Feb 2015 #22
Lyin' Ryan? Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2015 #2
Only repubs take this guy seriously.He's a joke.A failure at economics bjobotts Feb 2015 #14
The other Paul ErikJ Feb 2015 #27
Yeah, that "Makers vs Takers" bullshit, has come back to haunt little Eddie. nt DearAbby Feb 2015 #3
but people forget stuff like that. Many don't have great long term memories. And sure as **** applegrove Feb 2015 #4
Ryan is a douchenozzle. Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #5
What alarms me is this trend for the GOP to take ownership of Democratic talking points LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #6
As long as neither Party does anything about them, all is well... Octafish Feb 2015 #11
OMFG - HILARIOUS blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #7
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2015 #8
DU Rec for the truth! Martin Eden Feb 2015 #9
It's not Ryan's lie, it's the Republican lie. The Democrats need to start taking control A Simple Game Feb 2015 #12
This guy is a joke underpants Feb 2015 #13
K&R Scuba Feb 2015 #16
Republicans The Wizard Feb 2015 #18
This is a standard strategy from the Right -- lie your ass off GreatGazoo Feb 2015 #19
It's not a lie if he believes it Major Nikon Feb 2015 #20
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Feb 2015 #21
I believe it's called being a world class Cha Feb 2015 #23
Fuck You Paul Ryan. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2015 #24
These people don't seem to understand that... butterfly77 Feb 2015 #25
These kind of stories ProudProg2u Feb 2015 #26
Ryan is a fucking liar. blackspade Feb 2015 #28
. libodem Feb 2015 #29

Botany

(70,508 posts)
10. + 1
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 04:17 PM
Feb 2015

Just like W's war helped to create ISIS and now the repugs and "our liberal media"
are wondering how President Obama will respond to the problems made by ISIS.

"Paul Ryan, the zombie-eyed granny starver ..... " C. Pierce

Cha

(297,254 posts)
22. Yes, Charlie Pierce had Paul Ryan's number from the get go.. "Zombie-eyed Granny Starver".. freaking
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:13 AM
Feb 2015

Ayn Rand lover.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
14. Only repubs take this guy seriously.He's a joke.A failure at economics
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

Paul Krugman mocks him for his stupidity and demonstrates the complete fallacy of his economic babbling and how much it results in failure. A condescending liar who thinks he is above the rest like when he did a photo op at a soup kitchen after it was closed. A real creep who should just stay at home and suck on his silver spoon rather than insult those who are credible and know what they are talking about.

applegrove

(118,665 posts)
4. but people forget stuff like that. Many don't have great long term memories. And sure as ****
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:46 PM
Feb 2015

faux news will not be reminding them.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
6. What alarms me is this trend for the GOP to take ownership of Democratic talking points
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 02:11 AM
Feb 2015

and turn them on their head.

I suspect political strategy, and it might be a successful political gambit. Make no mistake. The GOP has exactly zero interest in income equality, but they'll be happy to exploit the issue for the upcoming election.

The fearful part is that the majority of the public will be all too willing to believe the lie.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
11. As long as neither Party does anything about them, all is well...
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 04:35 PM
Feb 2015

...for the swells who call the shots in Wall Street on the Potomac.

H2O Man

(73,555 posts)
8. Recommended.
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 12:43 PM
Feb 2015

I must say, however, that he is merely warming up: in the next 16 months, he will continue to build upon his whooper-lies.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
12. It's not Ryan's lie, it's the Republican lie. The Democrats need to start taking control
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 05:55 PM
Feb 2015

of these issues and stop letting the Republicans take credit for any possible fixes. We all know any Republican fix will just make the problem worse. The Bush tax cuts are what accelerated the inequity and we all know the Republican solution will be more tax cuts.

underpants

(182,818 posts)
13. This guy is a joke
Fri Feb 6, 2015, 10:51 PM
Feb 2015

I've sat in presentations where it was clear the speaker had no clue what he/she was talking about. Ryan is that

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
19. This is a standard strategy from the Right -- lie your ass off
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:56 AM
Feb 2015

Basically take criticism that is directed at the GOP and reverse it. "GOP hostile to women" becomes 'look at how mean the Dems are to breadbag lady!' "GOP fosters inequality and stagnation" becomes Ryan's latest BS.

Without context or two-sided debate they are free to say whatever. They do focus groups to see what people want to hear then they say it, true or not.

Cha

(297,254 posts)
23. I believe it's called being a world class
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:16 AM
Feb 2015

sociopath. Do they teach that at the knee of Ayn Randism or is it innate?

 

butterfly77

(17,609 posts)
25. These people don't seem to understand that...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:28 AM
Feb 2015

they are not dealing with the same people in America that they have dealt with in the past. People have been beat down,broke down,lost their jobs,homes,families among other things a frankly don't give a damn.

The republiCONS and some so called Dems have destroyed many lives in this country and others but,they continually want to step on everyones back'.

I say keep it up motherfuckers and you will get more than you bargained for because there are a larger majority of people in America who feel that they have nothing to lose and your pen won't be mightier than the sword. Comfortable mfkers!...

 

ProudProg2u

(133 posts)
26. These kind of stories
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:11 PM
Feb 2015

Always get a laugh... Google "Gandpa Bush Heroin Trade"...Never gets much air, but like most repubs .."They earned the money the old fashioned way" Out-rite ripped old people life savings off or corrupted passed laws to favor themselves, or involved in the drug trade ect, Then they have the cojones to point finger at working poor people it's just frigging DISGUSTING...!!!

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