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Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:47 PM Feb 2015

While we're on the subject, how many pro-vaccers didn't get their flu shot?

My kids and I are vaccinated per schedule, plus we all had flu vax. It is irrelevant that the flu vaccine is only 23% effective this year. It's normally much higher.

How many pro-vaccers will own up to the fact that they usually spread the flu?

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While we're on the subject, how many pro-vaccers didn't get their flu shot? (Original Post) Ilsa Feb 2015 OP
I got the flu shot - LiberalElite Feb 2015 #1
Because less than half of the population gets the flu vaccine. Ilsa Feb 2015 #26
I got the flu vaccine Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #72
got mine Marrah_G Feb 2015 #2
This made me laugh. bravenak Feb 2015 #3
Pro-vaccine means I get a flu shot every year REP Feb 2015 #4
Pro-vaccer here, didn't get the shot. I usually don't, but the kids do. Brickbat Feb 2015 #5
Don't apologize. peace13 Feb 2015 #30
I know for a fact that not everyone can participate Ilsa Feb 2015 #36
Oh, I was apologizing because I broke the string of vaxxers who got the flu shot, giving the OP Brickbat Feb 2015 #82
I get the flu vaccine every year. As LiberalElite said, why do you ass-ume we are hypocrites? emulatorloo Feb 2015 #6
Because not enough people get the flu vax. Ilsa Feb 2015 #21
Supplies aren't infinite. Maybe they want to save it for more vulnerable populations? eridani Feb 2015 #78
CDC seems to think there's enough. Ilsa Feb 2015 #98
I get my flu shot regularly and my Mom made sure we got every vaccine Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #7
Pro vaccine here. I did however not get the flu vaccine. Glassunion Feb 2015 #8
I would NEVER go a flu season without the vaccine. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #9
Yeah Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #73
pro-vaxxer here, got the flu shot, and I'm currently sick.. frylock Feb 2015 #10
I get one, as does my immunosuppressed wife nt geek tragedy Feb 2015 #11
I got mine. LuvNewcastle Feb 2015 #12
Got mine n/t shanti Feb 2015 #13
It's not irrelevant sharp_stick Feb 2015 #14
You bet I got the flu shot distantearlywarning Feb 2015 #15
I always get one Skittles Feb 2015 #16
YOU WANT I SHOULD GIVE YOU PERSON OF THE YEAR AWARD SKITTLES NuclearDem Feb 2015 #18
I very rarely get sick but when I do it slams me HARD Skittles Feb 2015 #19
I tripped an old lady so I'd get mine first. rug Feb 2015 #48
I still got mine that year because my wife is at risk. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #56
I got the flu shot. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #17
I get my flu shots. hunter Feb 2015 #20
I have HIV. My doctor would have a fit if I didn't get a flu vaccine every year. - nt Liberal Veteran Feb 2015 #22
Every year. [n/t] Maedhros Feb 2015 #23
How many anti-vaxxers will own up to the fact CAG Feb 2015 #24
Yep. All of the above. Ilsa Feb 2015 #35
I got mine and still got sick (twice). n/t Mugu Feb 2015 #25
I spread the flu, I'm a giving kind of person. kwassa Feb 2015 #27
And I haven't had the measles since I was a baby. Ilsa Feb 2015 #32
Once you get the measles you are immune. LisaL Feb 2015 #43
And yet titers are still checked in pregnant women Ilsa Feb 2015 #57
I'm pro vaccinations, but I don't get a flu shot. I haven't had the flu since I had it shraby Feb 2015 #28
I haven't had the measles since I was a baby. Ilsa Feb 2015 #33
Vaccine that is only 23% effective doesn't sound too tempting. LisaL Feb 2015 #40
The CDC didn't know that in September. Ilsa Feb 2015 #50
I am not going to get something that I consider pretty much useless (23 % effective, really) LisaL Feb 2015 #70
I used to rationalize my self-absorbed actions too... LanternWaste Feb 2015 #96
LOL. It's not for me. nt Ilsa Feb 2015 #103
The vaccine is more effective than that against the targets for which it was made... HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #80
I've been "lucky" for over 50 years then. I'm 72 now. shraby Feb 2015 #67
And other people could say the same thing about vaccinations they or their children don't get. pnwmom Feb 2015 #114
I got mine. Aristus Feb 2015 #29
I can't afford to be sick and take a week of downtime. Ilsa Feb 2015 #34
I got mine! City Lights Feb 2015 #31
I get one every year n/t PasadenaTrudy Feb 2015 #37
If the flu vax was 99+% effective, then you would actually have a point. madinmaryland Feb 2015 #38
Even the MMR isn't 99% effective. Ilsa Feb 2015 #39
Two doses, not multiple. LisaL Feb 2015 #41
Yes, and a booster later, at least in my state. Ilsa Feb 2015 #45
Current flu vax leaves you with almost 80% chance of not being protected. LisaL Feb 2015 #49
Yes, this is an outlier year. Even so, Ilsa Feb 2015 #51
Yet measles had been eliminated by 2000, and then people got complacent madinmaryland Feb 2015 #42
Yes. Failure to vaccinate. Ilsa Feb 2015 #55
To the anti-vax mind, it's either 1 or 0. trotsky Feb 2015 #81
Flu mist for me! cyberswede Feb 2015 #44
Busted. I usually do, but this was such a busy year... bhikkhu Feb 2015 #46
I wish you luck in getting it done, even then, and in Ilsa Feb 2015 #47
I got it workinclasszero Feb 2015 #52
Got mine. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2015 #53
I always get my flu shot. Tanuki Feb 2015 #54
Got mine. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #58
There were a lot of Ilsa Feb 2015 #59
I think you have created a strawman. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #60
Bingo Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #74
I get every year. 840high Feb 2015 #61
Got mine. So did my kids. n/t Butterbean Feb 2015 #62
I don't get a flu shot, and I do get weary of being told here on DU SheilaT Feb 2015 #63
Same here HockeyMom Feb 2015 #76
My story is remarkably similar to yours. SheilaT Feb 2015 #101
Living in close quarters among millions of people HockeyMom Feb 2015 #105
Yep. Among the reasons the 1918 flu epidemic was so terrible SheilaT Feb 2015 #108
No, you're not immune. jeff47 Feb 2015 #104
I worked in public school into my 60s HockeyMom Feb 2015 #111
Older as in >10. Not older as in 60-ish. jeff47 Feb 2015 #113
I get it every year taught_me_patience Feb 2015 #64
I'll own up to it GummyBearz Feb 2015 #65
I don't consider myself part of the DU pro-vax contingent. Crunchy Frog Feb 2015 #66
That was the point of a couple of threads HockeyMom Feb 2015 #116
I'll get one tomorrow if this thread fizzles out olddots Feb 2015 #68
I'd like to see all of the rabid vax threads fizzle out. nt Ilsa Feb 2015 #75
I get it every year without fail. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #69
My entire family Dorian Gray Feb 2015 #71
I get my shot every year. xmas74 Feb 2015 #77
We got ours! B Calm Feb 2015 #79
I was diagnosed.. sendero Feb 2015 #83
Yep....Vaxx & Flu Every year fredamae Feb 2015 #84
No flu shot, ever. And you're obviously sooooo much better than me. tridim Feb 2015 #85
You can be a carrier for the virus and end up sickening others. Way to go. randome Feb 2015 #89
And you're double-plus extra better than me!1 nt tridim Feb 2015 #91
It takes a village to raise a child. It takes one narcissist to make that child sick. randome Feb 2015 #97
Only if you hammer anti-vaxers on DU. :-) nt Ilsa Feb 2015 #99
So, not getting a flu shot every year is the same as not getting a few rounds of vacs as kids. Threedifferentones Feb 2015 #86
I get mine every year. Always. MineralMan Feb 2015 #87
Does anyone get the shingles shot? benz380 Feb 2015 #88
Got the shingles vaccine as soon as I turned 65 GoneOffShore Feb 2015 #90
Why is it irrelevant? Augustus Feb 2015 #92
They are both communicable diseases Ilsa Feb 2015 #100
You cannot catch shingles from somebody else HockeyMom Feb 2015 #115
Shingles? I think you are in the wrong Reply. Ilsa Feb 2015 #118
Not MY opinion HockeyMom Feb 2015 #120
Clearly, LannyDeVaney Feb 2015 #93
I get my flu shot every year, and I am furious about the 23% mess-up. librechik Feb 2015 #94
Don't like needles pipi_k Feb 2015 #95
I don't like them either. Ilsa Feb 2015 #102
I did. With 11 great grand children bringing everything home the school has to offer I need it. jwirr Feb 2015 #106
Like me, it sounds like you can't afford Ilsa Feb 2015 #107
I didn't due to egg allergies. dilby Feb 2015 #109
I get mine every year, including this one. Jamastiene Feb 2015 #110
Never had a flu shot and never had the flu. RebelOne Feb 2015 #112
I live in a bubble so it's not necessary. progressoid Feb 2015 #117
I got mine loyalsister Feb 2015 #119

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
26. Because less than half of the population gets the flu vaccine.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:46 PM
Feb 2015

Much less coverage than immunizations. I figure there are more than 2 or 3 on DU that have been vocal about everyone else getting their childhood immunizations while failing to get their annual flu vax, which also has a serious impact in spreading deadly disease. Only a few here have owned up to it.

Dorian Gray

(13,498 posts)
72. I got the flu vaccine
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 07:25 AM
Feb 2015

but I don't think your argument is fair. Medical recommendations are for older and younger people to get it. And immuno-compromised. My doctor gives it to me every year (or Rite Aid), but that's because I seek it out. I've never been asked if I want it on my own or been told by my doctor that I should get it.

It's not on schedule like childhood vaccines.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
3. This made me laugh.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:50 PM
Feb 2015

Nice try. There was a flu shot thread about this issue a while back. My kids do the nasal spray and I get a shot a Walgreens. I'm sure most vaccination aware folks do the same. Thats why they are telling folks to vaccinate. Because they do.

REP

(21,691 posts)
4. Pro-vaccine means I get a flu shot every year
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:52 PM
Feb 2015

My TDaP is current and has been forever. I recently got my pneumovax booster.

I'm getting my measles, mumps and rubella titres checked to see if I need a booster for those as well.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
5. Pro-vaccer here, didn't get the shot. I usually don't, but the kids do.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:52 PM
Feb 2015

I rarely get sick, but I'm pretty sure I got the flu this winter. I had a strong egg allergy for many years when flu shots became a thing, and so didn't get in the habit of getting them. I know that's not an issue anymore, but I will admit I'm bad about flu shots.

ETA: Sorry, fellow vaxxers! I'll be the scapegoat. Although it's more laziness than hypocrisy. If someone came to my house to give me one, I wouldn't turn it down.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
30. Don't apologize.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:53 PM
Feb 2015

Allergies are no laughing matter. My last flu shot was eight years ago. The hive on my arm was 4 inches by three and lasted nine days. I know that people here think that everyone can participate but sometimes it is not possible. From the talk here I expect that some day those with allergies will be forced to take the injection. It would be better for one to die as opposed to the risk of one un -vaccinated soul contaminating the masses.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
36. I know for a fact that not everyone can participate
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:07 PM
Feb 2015

in immunizations. There's been a lot of criticism on DU. And naturally, some of them probably didn't do their civic duty when they had no excuse not to.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
82. Oh, I was apologizing because I broke the string of vaxxers who got the flu shot, giving the OP
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:54 AM
Feb 2015

something to jump on. Testing shows that my allergy has faded, but I still have difficulties with some egg dishes, so I think there's still a sensitivity involved. There are also flu shots made for people with egg allergies, and as I said, there's really no excuse for going in and getting that.

emulatorloo

(44,168 posts)
6. I get the flu vaccine every year. As LiberalElite said, why do you ass-ume we are hypocrites?
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:54 PM
Feb 2015

Big ole FAIL as far as I can see.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
21. Because not enough people get the flu vax.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:36 PM
Feb 2015

And I don't believe that all of the people who don't get it are generally anti-vaccination.

This thread isn't a "fail". There are a few that are owning up to it. I bet most won't post their response.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
78. Supplies aren't infinite. Maybe they want to save it for more vulnerable populations?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:12 AM
Feb 2015

Like the younger and older people?

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
98. CDC seems to think there's enough.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:30 PM
Feb 2015

About 150 million plus another 100 million thimerosol-free for children.

There is always the possibility that your doctor could run out, especially of FluMist, but there are shipments made throughout flu season.

There was a reported shortage back in 2010. I think they had added H1N1 and many more than usual were vaccinated.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
7. I get my flu shot regularly and my Mom made sure we got every vaccine
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:56 PM
Feb 2015

As they became available. She had an eighteen month niece who died with measles.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. I would NEVER go a flu season without the vaccine.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:58 PM
Feb 2015

My wife is very susceptible to lung infections that develop into pneumonia, so it would be the height of irresponsibility for me not to get the flu vaccine.

Plus, my job requires it.

Dorian Gray

(13,498 posts)
73. Yeah
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 07:27 AM
Feb 2015

I have asthma so a mild cold can turn into a month long bronchial torture session for my entire family. (Coughing so much that I keep them awake at night... nobody sleeps.)

frylock

(34,825 posts)
10. pro-vaxxer here, got the flu shot, and I'm currently sick..
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 09:58 PM
Feb 2015

will get the flu shot next year as well.

LuvNewcastle

(16,849 posts)
12. I got mine.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:03 PM
Feb 2015

I haven't always gotten the flu shot. I didn't start getting them every winter until I got older, but I have my priorities more in order than I did when I was young.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
14. It's not irrelevant
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:05 PM
Feb 2015

even with a 23%, you are fully vaccinated against strains other than the drifted one and you have partial immunity to the drifted strain that would mean a likely less to far less virulent infection.

I always get the flu shot along with my entire family and if one of us comes down with it we stay home instead of spreading it around.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
15. You bet I got the flu shot
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:07 PM
Feb 2015

I even got it early this year. I am also current on my TDaP, because I don't want to either get Whooping Cough, or worse, pass it to an unvaccinated baby.

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
16. I always get one
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:11 PM
Feb 2015

the only exception was that one year there was a shortage; I opted out so elderly and very young could get theirs

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
18. YOU WANT I SHOULD GIVE YOU PERSON OF THE YEAR AWARD SKITTLES
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:14 PM
Feb 2015

ill recognize you for your selfless acts, yes INDEED

Skittles

(153,174 posts)
19. I very rarely get sick but when I do it slams me HARD
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:16 PM
Feb 2015

any method available to help me avoid the flu I will take it!!!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
56. I still got mine that year because my wife is at risk.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:59 PM
Feb 2015

Otherwise, I would have done as you because I never get the flu.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
20. I get my flu shots.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:34 PM
Feb 2015

Don't want to revisit hospitals again, not for anything so mundane as the flu.

Skeleton man 6'4" 145 pound Hunter is not a pretty sight and he can be bloody awful rip-your-heart out mean too.



Ask anyone who has ever loved me...

CAG

(1,820 posts)
24. How many anti-vaxxers will own up to the fact
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:40 PM
Feb 2015

that they usually spread the flu, measles, pertussis, diphtheria, rubella, polio, tetanus, mumps, haemophillus, rotavirus, and pneumococcus?

BTW, anti-vaxxers can thank us pro-vaccers for saving their selfish a#$@$ from the above diseases, YOU'RE WELCOME!!!

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
35. Yep. All of the above.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:02 PM
Feb 2015

I'm shocked at how people think it's okay to jump on a bandwagon and criticize anti-vaxers but they endanger people also by not protecting themselves and others against seasonal flu.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
27. I spread the flu, I'm a giving kind of person.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:49 PM
Feb 2015

oops! I forgot!

I haven't had the flu in more than a decade. I don't usually get a shot. Pro-vaxx all the way.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
32. And I haven't had the measles since I was a baby.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:57 PM
Feb 2015

Get the flu shot, protect yourself and others.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
57. And yet titers are still checked in pregnant women
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:01 AM
Feb 2015

to make certain that remains true. It usually is. I still had an MMR vax a few years ago. My point is that having the flu 40 years ago is no guarantee that you are protected today.

If you don't want to vax against flu, then don't. It's your choice. But some people will die from spread of the flu, just like some will die from spread of measles.

My point is that there have been dozens of vax threads lately with lots of name-calling. But less than half of the population vaccinates itself against this other killer. This is a reminder for anyone on DU who has been on those threads to consider whether they are doing their civic duty in protecting as many people as possible from influenza. Stop talking about other people needing to vax and go get themselves vaxed, if they are medically able.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
28. I'm pro vaccinations, but I don't get a flu shot. I haven't had the flu since I had it
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:51 PM
Feb 2015

during that flu epidemic in the late 1950s. Did it make me immune? I don't know, but I don't get the flu, and neither does my husband who probably had it at the same time..we were in high school yet.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
33. I haven't had the measles since I was a baby.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:58 PM
Feb 2015

You should get the flu shot. You've just been "lucky".

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
50. The CDC didn't know that in September.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:41 PM
Feb 2015

It's still, overall, an excellent program in preventing massive outbreaks, pneumonia, and death across time. Everyone who can medically take the flu vax should to provide herd immunity and protect those too young or too ill to take the vaccine.

Its FluMist or a shot vs a week of misery. Easy call.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
70. I am not going to get something that I consider pretty much useless (23 % effective, really)
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:21 AM
Feb 2015

just to make you happy.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
96. I used to rationalize my self-absorbed actions too...
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:04 PM
Feb 2015

I used to rationalize my self-absorbed actions too...

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
80. The vaccine is more effective than that against the targets for which it was made...
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:31 AM
Feb 2015

The problem wasn't the vaccine not being effective. The problem is it didn't match what emerged as this years problem strain...that may be too subtle for many people to grasp.

But, it's not a vaccine failure. It's an identification of the target problem. And that is the nature of making educated guesses more than a half year prior to it's release. Sometimes the guess will be very good and sometimes it will not be.

Even with a vaccine such as this years, there is direct protection against its targets and some additional cross-protection. That protection is real and moves into the near future with those vaccinated.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
114. And other people could say the same thing about vaccinations they or their children don't get.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:09 PM
Feb 2015

Not every unvaccinated person gets measles. In fact, the vast majority don't.

Aristus

(66,437 posts)
29. I got mine.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 10:53 PM
Feb 2015

I work in clinical medicine, so there would be no way to skip out on getting my vaccination, even if I wanted to.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
34. I can't afford to be sick and take a week of downtime.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:00 PM
Feb 2015

Too many people depend on what I do every day.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
38. If the flu vax was 99+% effective, then you would actually have a point.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:17 PM
Feb 2015

When it is then your point will be RELEVANT. Until then find some new facts.

TIA,

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
39. Even the MMR isn't 99% effective.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:23 PM
Feb 2015

It takes multiple doses over several years to insure anything close to 99%.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
45. Yes, and a booster later, at least in my state.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:32 PM
Feb 2015

The counterpoint to the 99% was that even a 13 month old baby has about a 5-10% chance of not being fully protected. A vaccine is necessary, even if it doesn't provide 99% coverage. Same with flu vax.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
51. Yes, this is an outlier year. Even so,
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:42 PM
Feb 2015

I'll take 20% odds over none. Why? Because the alternative is a week of misery.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
42. Yet measles had been eliminated by 2000, and then people got complacent
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:28 PM
Feb 2015

and thought they could outsmart a hideous disease.

And then they FAILED society.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
55. Yes. Failure to vaccinate.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:51 PM
Feb 2015

Most years, we could stop about most of the flu. So what if it isn't all eliminated. Most is better than none.

My point is that there are plenty of ardent and vocal supporters of vaccination who don't bother getting this one done.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
81. To the anti-vax mind, it's either 1 or 0.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:48 AM
Feb 2015

If vaccines aren't 100% safe and 100% effective, then they are worthless. It's hard for most of us to grasp this all-or-none mindset.

bhikkhu

(10,720 posts)
46. Busted. I usually do, but this was such a busy year...
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:32 PM
Feb 2015

I meant to stop and get one (free now with ACA coverage), but then I didn't make the time for it, then I heard it was less effective than usual, and now its February...

I caught the flu in 95 and wound up with double pneumonia, and have been very good about getting flu shots every year since, but hectic new job and all. Definitely will next year.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
52. I got it
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:43 PM
Feb 2015

Only because it was free.

If I had to pay for it I wouldn't have been able to. I was unemployed at the time last year.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,809 posts)
53. Got mine.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:45 PM
Feb 2015

I always do. Got a bad case of Hong Kong flu many years ago; I don't ever want to be that sick again.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
54. I always get my flu shot.
Wed Feb 4, 2015, 11:47 PM
Feb 2015

My workplace makes it very easy, encourages everyone to be vaccinated, and provides the shots for free.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
59. There were a lot of
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:17 AM
Feb 2015

Judgmental comments about anti-vaxers and people too unconcerned about protecting their children and providing herd immunity.

Still, childhood vaccinations rates are higher than flu vaccination rates. This was to get pro-vaccine people to own up to their own shortcomings in not helping with herd immunity, even in a year where the flu vax hasn't been as successful as usual.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. I think you have created a strawman.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:22 AM
Feb 2015

One, I suspect most "pro vax" people DO get the yearly flu shot..

...and two, there is not an equivalency between the flu vaccine which provides imperfect and temporary protection on a yearly basis for a virus which is constantly mutating and in flux, and the normal childhood vaccination schedule for illnesses like measles which are almost fully preventable on a long-term or even lifetime basis with proper vaccination.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
63. I don't get a flu shot, and I do get weary of being told here on DU
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:43 AM
Feb 2015

that therefore I am spreading flu. I don't think so.

I had flu several times while growing up and once as a young adult. I seem to be pretty much immune to it as I haven't had it in a good 40 years.

In the 1918 flu epidemic the main reason older people almost never got the flu was because they'd been through a comparable epidemic about 50 years earlier, and if they got it then, they were immune all those years later.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
76. Same here
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 08:09 AM
Feb 2015

I've been told that I am just "lucky" or some super human. No. I was a very sickly child, teen, and adult. I must have caught every single bug there was going around back then. After my 30s, it all stopped completely. Not exposed later? I worked with little children coughing and sneezing in my face over many years. Did not catch the flu when it was all around me. Immunity built up over many, many years. If don't HAVE the flu yourself, are not coughing and sneezing, no fever, how are you going to give it to anyone else?

True. Perhaps very similar to measles, mumps, etc. What don't unvaccinated old people catch those diseases? They had the diseases themselves and have natural immunity.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
101. My story is remarkably similar to yours.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:38 PM
Feb 2015

And I was even born in New York State!

I wouldn't actually call myself sickly as a child, but I likewise recall being sick a great deal, especially the year I went to kindergarten. I also spent the first six years of my life in a low-income housing development. Lots of kids. Lots of stuff went around. I got it all. These days? I last had a cold some five years ago.

Our immune systems are such that we're more or less supposed to get a whole host of diseases early on and if we survive them, we're permanently immune. I am not about to suggest we go back to the pre-vaccination era, not in the least. The vaccinations are truly wonderful. Even if the traditional childhood diseases (measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox) really were as benign as I tend to think of them, it is nice not to have to go through the sheer inconvenience of nursing children through them. But yes, vaccinate.

Here's another little factoid most people don't know. Smallpox had evolved a far milder form, known as variola minor in the late 19th century -- in two different parts of the world, I believe -- which was as contagious, but far less serious (in that people didn't get as sick in the first place), and far less deadly. Something like a 3% death rate. It also did not leave scars. It was in the process of replacing variola minor right at the time universal vaccination against smallpox was coming about in this country. Had the smallpox vaccine not already been developed, that disease would have simply become one of the common childhood diseases, at least until a vaccine was developed. A while back I read a fascinating book about the last smallpox epidemic in this country, and the battle to get people to be vaccinated. One huge problem was that at the turn of the 20th century, smallpox vaccines often were contaminated, and people actually died because they got something else (I'm thinking it was tetanus, but I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly) from the vaccine.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
105. Living in close quarters among millions of people
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:56 PM
Feb 2015

including a whole lot of foreign tourists in NYC. So very many people all around. Squeezed like a sardine on a subway car among total stranger with who knows what! lol Playing on the city streets barefoot under hydrants. How many germs and diseases were kids exposed to? Talk about building up an immune system. lol

I would guess this would be far, far different than someone who grew up in a rural or small town. The potential for exposure to anything would not be so great. Some of my relatives lived in Manhattan apartment buildings without their own toilets. Everyone had to use the community bathroom in the hallway (bedpan at night). Not talking about 1800s here, but 1950's and 1960's.

Germs were all around.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
108. Yep. Among the reasons the 1918 flu epidemic was so terrible
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:22 PM
Feb 2015

was that it seems to have gotten its start in soldiers, fresh off the farm, who were crowded into barracks that were less than sanitary, then shipped off on crowded troop ships to fight in Europe. In addition, hand-washing, the single greatest of all public health measures, wasn't as common or even as possible when so many people didn't have ready access to running water. Or clean water.

Among the reasons the Bubonic Plague, especially during the Black Death (1348-1353) was so terrible was that peasants usually lived right next to their livestock. They were themselves typically infested with lice and other vermin, and essentially never took baths.

I'm fascinated by epidemiology and have read several books on the topic. The best one on the 1918 flu epidemic is probably The Great Influenza by John Barry, and the best on the the Black Death is The Great Mortality by John Kelly.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
104. No, you're not immune.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:49 PM
Feb 2015

The flu is terrible at packaging new flu virus. It will frequently pick up bits of the host organism. That's why it's "bird flu" and "swine flu". It has bits of bird and pig in it.

As a result, the flu changes constantly. It is not possible to be immune to the flu, just like it is not possible to be immune to the common cold virus.

Why aren't you getting it?
As we get older, we tend to not be in close contact with as many people. That reduces the rate at which they can catch the flu.

Kids in a packed school are great for spreading diseases - there's 60 kids in one room sitting right next to each other, and they tend to share lots of things. Older people who stay at home or go to a few places, not so much.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
111. I worked in public school into my 60s
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:00 PM
Feb 2015

Head Start with 4 year olds. Up close and personal. As a para I held them, took them to bathroom/changed them, cleaned up after them, including their vomit. I was not exactly a Spring Chicken. I might even have been one of the oldest staff members there. I didn't get sick, and neither did the other para who was a woman in her late 50s.

The teacher was in her 30s. She got her flu shot every year, but one time so many kids were getting sick she actually wore a mask into class. lol Kids thought she was funny.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
113. Older as in >10. Not older as in 60-ish.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:05 PM
Feb 2015

Our behaviors change drastically as we leave adolescence.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
64. I get it every year
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:51 AM
Feb 2015

my wife is a GP and has people with the flu coughing in her face nearly every day. So far, neither of us has caught the flu in the last six years. Last time I caught it, I wasn't vaccinated... last time that happens.

It's not the flu that is that bad... it's the nasty cough for two months afterwards that sucks real bad.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
65. I'll own up to it
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:53 AM
Feb 2015

Got all my measles, mumps, etc vaccines as a kid, and I think every kid should. I however havent had a flu shot in my adult life (am 33). The last actual flu I got was when I was 23... I do wash my hands very habitually though

Crunchy Frog

(26,610 posts)
66. I don't consider myself part of the DU pro-vax contingent.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:06 AM
Feb 2015

Not because I'm anti-vax, but because I don't like the lynch mob/loyalty oath type mentality.

I did get myself and my two sons vaccinated this year, which was a great comfort to us the other week that we all spent lying around the house, sick with the flu.

The only one who didn't get the flu was my 75 year old mother, and she was also the only one who didn't get the shot. And she was knee deep in little kid germs.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
116. That was the point of a couple of threads
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:02 PM
Feb 2015

Why old people, who don't get flu shots, but are exposed to it, not get the flu?

Conclusions? Flu shot isn't work/causing the flu. Granny is immune to the flu around her.

Not going to rehash this again.

Dorian Gray

(13,498 posts)
71. My entire family
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 07:24 AM
Feb 2015

got the flu shot. As did my daughter's babysitter. (And that was before we found out it had a lower efficacy than last year.) I'm not happy about that, but not because I fear that the vaccine will harm us. I just fear our family coming down with the flu.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
83. I was diagnosed..
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 09:06 AM
Feb 2015

.... (after the fact) with Guillen Barre once so I cannot have flu shots. But I would if I could.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
89. You can be a carrier for the virus and end up sickening others. Way to go.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:22 AM
Feb 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you don't give yourself the same benefit of a doubt you'd give anyone else, you're cheating someone.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
97. It takes a village to raise a child. It takes one narcissist to make that child sick.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:04 PM
Feb 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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Threedifferentones

(1,070 posts)
86. So, not getting a flu shot every year is the same as not getting a few rounds of vacs as kids.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:11 AM
Feb 2015

Oh, wait, no it's not, not really even close. Barely comparable in fact. So, this OP is useless and irrelevant.

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
87. I get mine every year. Always.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:16 AM
Feb 2015

I'm a big supporter of immunization, and always get mine. Last year, I got the shingles vaccine, too, even though I had to pay for it. I don't have Medicare Part D, so it's not covered. $125. I don't want shingles. I've had my pneumonia vaccine, too, and got a DPT booster in January, even though it's a year early. Whooping cough is making the rounds again.

Get your shots, folks!

benz380

(534 posts)
88. Does anyone get the shingles shot?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:20 AM
Feb 2015

I had shingles years ago on my back, and it was like i was on fire. They had after-shingles pills that I took, but not the shots back then. I've heard if you've had shingles before you're susceptible to get it again, and I've also heard you're immune after you've had them.

 

Augustus

(63 posts)
92. Why is it irrelevant?
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:40 AM
Feb 2015

Sorry, but you lose your point right out of the gate.

Unless you can demonstrate, with some kind of rational thought process, why it is irrelevant that the flu shot has a usually low percentage rate of effectiveness, you haven't said anything of meaning at all.

The measles vaccine is 95% effective with the first dose, 99% effective with the second dose. Furthermore, the flu is not as contagious as measles. Measles is the most contagious virus known to human kind.

To compare the measles vaccine with the flu shot is the epitome of ignorance.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
100. They are both communicable diseases
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:35 PM
Feb 2015

and both can result in death. Does the CDC wish they could guarantee 99% effectiveness? Sure. But that's not the reality of drift in the virus. Any effectiveness is better than ignoring it.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
115. You cannot catch shingles from somebody else
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:12 PM
Feb 2015

An active case of shingles can give chicken pox to the unvaccinated. It is more for the individual person. Key is they have to come into contact with oozing rash. Not contagious even for chicken pox once the rash crusts over. It is not considered a very contagious disease. My husband had it, thought it was poison ivy, and the above is what his doctor told him. Since it was on his back only, he wore a shirt over it and went to work. He said it itched a lot but did not hurt. He was vaccinated for it but still got it. That is probably one of least effective vax.

No I have never had the shot.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
118. Shingles? I think you are in the wrong Reply.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 03:52 PM
Feb 2015

This one wasn't about Shingles.

I had chicken pox as a child. I've taken the shingles vax. Not everyone can afford it and not all insurance pays on it. The prices I've seen run from about $250-325. Ouch! Covering it is a no-brainer considering the cost of the medications and possible hospitalization for it.

Even shingles has some measure of treatment, though, but it takes time.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
120. Not MY opinion
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:54 PM
Feb 2015

My husband's DOCTOR said that. He got one shot for something from his doctor. Stopped itching and gone in about a week.

 

LannyDeVaney

(1,033 posts)
93. Clearly,
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:41 AM
Feb 2015

anybody who didn't would completely justify the risk of exposing vulnerable populace to polio.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
94. I get my flu shot every year, and I am furious about the 23% mess-up.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:50 AM
Feb 2015

I'm a former medical professional and I believe vaccines are the best thing that has happened to humans (and animals) that i can think of. What fool wants to mess that miracle up for themselves and their children???

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
95. Don't like needles
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
Feb 2015

OK a little more than that. Needle phobic.

Being 62 I know I should get a flu shot, but I always tell myself that I won't get the flu since I'm hardly ever out of the house and we don't get many visitors here.

I do make a point of washing my hands a lot, and not putting them near my face after touching stuff in public.

Probably also should get a Shingles shot too, since I had Chicken Pox as a child.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
102. I don't like them either.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 12:41 PM
Feb 2015

I hate giving shots, although I've been told I'm good at it. I hate the idea of fluid being injected into my muscle, but blood draws don't bother me.

I weigh the temporary discomfort of a sore arm with five days of incapacitating illness, which for me, is worse. I've tried FluMist. Maybe that one would be easier for you. It tends to be more available early in the flu season. I didn't like the intradermal vaccine.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
107. Like me, it sounds like you can't afford
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:22 PM
Feb 2015

to be sick. I hope your vax mitigates some of the other junk circulating out there.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
109. I didn't due to egg allergies.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:23 PM
Feb 2015

They have a new non-egg vaccine made from GMO insects but will wait on this one till it's been out for a while, don't like being a guinnea pig especially for something I rarely get.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
110. I get mine every year, including this one.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 01:27 PM
Feb 2015

Plus, I went ahead and got a tetanus shot too, because I felt I needed it, to protect me from Mr. Shitpipe up the hill.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
112. Never had a flu shot and never had the flu.
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 02:03 PM
Feb 2015

I know I should never say "never." But I avoid needles whenever I can. I get weak in the knees whenever I am going to have to receive a shot.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
119. I got mine
Thu Feb 5, 2015, 04:10 PM
Feb 2015

I was lazy about it and didn't get them regularly for a couple of years. Then, a couple of years ago, I got hit with a flu Thanksgiving night- thanks to a family member. I have never missed since.

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