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Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:56 PM Feb 2015

The Startling Accuracy of Referring to Politicians as 'Psychopaths'

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The Startling Accuracy of Referring to Politicians as 'Psychopaths'
JAMES SILVERJUL 31 2012, 8:35 AM ET
The characteristics that define clinical psychopathy are many of the same that make effective leaders.

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The question, then, is whether it is reasonable to believe that people with serious abnormalities in the way they interact with the world can be found running for (and winning) office. However unsettling as this may be, the answer seems to be yes. It's possible for psychopaths to be found anywhere -- including city hall or Washington, D.C. Remember, psychopaths are not delusional or psychotic; in fact, two of the hallmarks of psychopathy are a calculating mind and a seemingly easy charm.

In his landmark book on psychopathy, The Mask of Sanity, researcher Hervey Cleckley theorized that some people with the core attributes of psychopathy -- egocentricity, lack of remorse, superficial charm -- could be found in nearly every walk of life and at every level, including politics. Robert Hare, perhaps the leading expert on the disorder and the person who developed the most commonly used test for diagnosing psychopathy, has noted that psychopaths generally have a heightened need for power and prestige -- exactly the type of urges that make politics an attractive calling.

There is more at work than just the drive to seek office, though; psychopaths may have some peculiar talents for it, as well. Research has shown that disorder may confer certain advantages that make psychopaths particularly suited to a life on the public stage and able to handle high-pressure situations: psychopaths score low on measures of stress reactivity, anxiety and depression, and high on measures of competitive achievement, positive impressions on first encounters, and fearlessness. Sound like the description of a successful politician and leader?

Doubtless, it's easier to see some leaders as psychopaths than it is others. Presumably, no one would dispute the notion that Hitler and Stalin were psychopaths at the extreme end of the spectrum: completely unconstrained by empathy or guilt and willing to say or do anything to accomplish their goals. This, though, reinforces the perception of psychopaths as out-of-control madmen who are evil to the core. Might there be other, more mainstream political leaders who have psychopathic traits but fall closer to the "normal" range? Some have certainly thought so.

In 2003, neuropsychologist Paul Brok argued that Prime Minister Tony Blair was a "plausible psychopath" who was ruthlessly ambitious, egocentric, and manipulative. Respected psychologist and researcher David Lykken has written:

If we can believe his biographer, Robert Caro [...] Lyndon Johnson exemplified this syndrome. He was relatively fearless, shameless, abusive of his wife and underlings, and willing to do or say almost anything required to attain his ends.


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The Startling Accuracy of Referring to Politicians as 'Psychopaths' (Original Post) Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP
The US has even found a way to manufacture psychopaths. hifiguy Feb 2015 #1
That depends on your definition SamKnause Feb 2015 #2
Hooray armchair psychiatry! NuclearDem Feb 2015 #3
Great men are almost always bad men. Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #4
Reminds me of this quote from the venerable Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Salviati Feb 2015 #5
why be so polite? reddread Feb 2015 #6
The video is about the Toronto Islands JHB Feb 2015 #7
Thanks for posting this. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #8
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. The US has even found a way to manufacture psychopaths.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 04:58 PM
Feb 2015

Those factories are called "business schools."

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
2. That depends on your definition
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:30 PM
Feb 2015

of effective leaders.

Yes, psychopaths hold many powerful positions in government and business, but I would not say they are effective leaders.

I would say they do very destructive and outright evil things.

I would venture to say that psychopaths control:

The IMF

The World Bank

The Federal Reserve

The Pentagon

The Congress

The Senate

The Supreme Court

The Military Industrial Complex

The Police

The Prisons

Pharmaceutical Companies

Global Corporations

Wall Street

and the majority of governments on this planet


Effective leadership is in very short supply on planet earth.

Starting wars and stealing the wealth of countries and individuals would not be my definition of effective leaders.

If these effective leaders were not in power we could feed, house, and clothe every person on this planet.

Nice video.

Thanks for posting.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
5. Reminds me of this quote from the venerable Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 05:46 PM
Feb 2015
The major problem — one of the major problems, for there are several — one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

To summarize: it is a well known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

To summarize the summary of the summary: people are a problem.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
7. The video is about the Toronto Islands
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 06:50 PM
Feb 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Islands

At its peak in the 1950s, the Island residential community extended from Ward's Island to Hanlan's Point, and was made up of some 630 cottages and homes, in addition to such amenities as a movie theatre, a bowling alley, stores, hotels, and dance halls.[15] Not long after its creation in 1953, Metropolitan Toronto Council undertook to remove the community and replace it with parkland.[16] The construction of the Gardiner Expressway had removed many acres of recreational land along the Toronto waterfront, and the Islands lands were to replace the acreage. In 1955, after the City had transferred the lands to Metro, the new Metro Parks Department started to demolish homes and cottages whose lease had expired or whose lease holders gave up their leases. In 1959, the Metro Parks Department opened 'Far Enough Farm', and in 1967, opened the Centreville Amusement Park, along with a new public marina. In 1971, Metro Parks opened a new ferry terminal at the foot of Bay Street. Unlike the previous terminal, no waiting room was provided.[17] In 1976, the Trillium a 1910 paddle-wheeler ferry which had been abandoned in a lagoon, was refurbished and relaunched for use as an island ferry.

By 1963, all Islanders willing to leave the island had left and the remaining Islanders started to fight the plans of Metro to remove their homes. While demolitions still proceeded, the Islanders' alderman David Rotenberg pushed the Islanders' cause and the number of demolitions dwindled. In 1969, the Toronto Islands' Residents Association (TIRA) was formed. Still, by 1970 only 250 homes, on Ward's and Algonquin Islands, had escaped the bulldozer. The 1970s saw no further demolitions as the Metro Parks plans were thwarted by year-to-year leases and the changing of the guard on Toronto City Council to a group more sympathetic to the Islanders. In 1973, City Council voted 17–2 to preserve the community and transfer those lands back to the City. However, Metro Council remained opposed and the Islanders started legal challenges to Metro's plans in 1974 to delay Metro's plans of expropriation. By 1978, Metro Council had won several legal battles and had obtained 'writs of possession' for the 250 homes. At the time, a minority provincial Progressive Conservative government was in place with both the Liberals and NDP opposition parties in favour of the Islanders and the Islanders appealed to the provincial government, winning more time when the province agreed to act as mediator between the City and Islanders and Metro.[18]

Matters came to a head on July 28, 1980, when a sheriff sent to serve eviction notices to remaining residents was met at the Algonquin Island bridge by much of the community, whose leaders persuaded the sheriff to withdraw.[19] On July 31, the community won the right to challenge the 1974 evictions. The Islanders lost the challenge, but by this time, the province had started a formal inquiry headed by Barry Swadron into the Toronto Islands. On December 18, 1981, the province of Ontario passed a law legalizing the Islanders to stay until 2005. This kept the lands in Metro's ownership, to be leased to the City who would lease it to the Islanders.[20] Wrangling over the terms of the lease payments to Metro took several years.

The community's fight for survival was finally rewarded in 1993, when the Ontario Government passed the Toronto Islands Residential Community Stewardship Act, which enabled Islanders to purchase 99-year land leases from a Land Trust.[21]
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