Did ISIS just seal it's fate by burning the Jordanian pilot

[Lint Head]

to death? This is really above and beyond despicable. I don't think Jordan will just let this go.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

1. Jordan should exterminate every breathing IS member. nt

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

3. Psychopaths Fueled By Religious Extremism

What's not to love about that?

[brooklynite]

11. No, no, no, just some lone wolves

There's nothing in religious scripture that would ever say it's okay to massacre your enemies

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

17. Hell, it's right there!

"You may burn to death the pilot of thine enemy and circulate pictures on the web. And may the peace of Allah be with you."

[Rhinodawg]

31. Well, you cant blame an entire rel....

forgettaboutit

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

44. Of course, you can't blame an entire religion

but you can note that religious fundamentalism has been blamed for a lot of the ills of the world, and, in particular, right now...some of those "ills" are being committed by psychopaths following a radical form of Islam.

[brooklynite]

65. Oh, so this is the "radical" form of Islam...good to know we all agree on the "right" form...

...that why I CAN blame the entire religion, just as I would if they were Christian, Jewish, Hindu and another flavor.

Clearly, not all professed adherents can be held responsible for the acts of of others, but neither does that excuse them from advocating a religious faith that advocates violence in its written text that every adherent apparently reveres.

[Yorktown]

69. ISIS, Boko Haram, Charlie Hebdo, I see a pattern.

Worldwide, roughly one muslim out of two supports the sharia and death for blasphemy.

Who says you can't blame an entire religion for propagating murderous beliefs?

[Act_of_Reparation]

76. "If you have a problem with a religion's fundamentalists...

...then you probably have a problem with that religion's fundamentals."

- Seth Andrews

[former9thward]

46. Jordan does not have the military to do that.

They have enough on their hands trying to keep the King stable in power.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

49. You insulted me yesterday. Why do you even address my comment today? nt

[former9thward]

53. I have no idea who I responded to yesterday or any other day.

I don't keep track. I reply to posts not posters. If you put a post up someone might respond to it. That is the nature of a discussion board. You don't get to choose and neither do I. If you don't like seeing my posts the administrators have conveniently put an ignore button for you to use. I never use it but others seem to find it helpful.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

55. Proving my point in that exchange that you never bothered to know who I am or what I believe in or

what I support and what I don't and yet you insulted me by charging me with being the "republican's dream" anyway.

Funny that you feel it's my character that is in question here...

[former9thward]

57. No one can "know" anyone on an anonymous internet board.

So I just go by what is written on the posts. But I will not let this thread be derailed by a dispute on another thread so that is the last I will say.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

59. Bully for you. You made your bed with me by blindly insulting me. Lie in it. As for

derailing the thread, I'll use your own words to counter: "If you put a post up someone might respond to it. That is the nature of a discussion board. You don't get to choose and neither do I."

[philosslayer]

73. Ahhh... nothing quite like bloodlust, is there

How would you recommend Jordan carry out this extermination? Ovens? Nuclear weapons? Maybe you can make a few dollars selling t-shirts..."Kill them all; let God sort them out".

What website am I on again?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

79. Nuclear weapons, of course...

[CJCRANE]

2. Anyone who supports this group is a clinical psychopath.

I've thought that for a while but it should be obvious to everyone by now.

They are adolescent criminals who converged from the four corners of the world.

The bottom line is they're sadistic bullies. Nothing more.

[Peacetrain]

52. ^^^^ This should be its on thread

The insanity of these creatures just knows no bounds.. they are nothing less than the scum of the earth.. period..

[Schema Thing]

4. yes

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Jordan said yesterday that if ISIL harm their pilot...

...Jordan was going to kill every ISIL prisoner they had.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. The ball is in their court now.

Will they, or won't they?

[Lint Head]

13. They don't have a large military force but neither does ISIS.

It's the will power and anger that Jordan has that I think will make a difference. Jordan does have certain military capabilities that ISIS would have difficulty dealing with.

[TheCowsCameHome]

26. I hope they (or someone) turns ISIS to cinders.

Little puffy cinders.

[WillowTree]

86. And Jordan has more friends.

[liberalhistorian]

6. I certainly hope so.

I hope they will be literally exterminated from the face of the earth, I don't care how. They are like the Nazis. NO amount of "tactful diplomacy" or "peaceful appeasement" will work with them. Only brute force will, period.

[Agnosticsherbet]

8. I don't think that Jordan has the military Power to invade and take down ISIS alone.

I do think that the actions of ISIS makes a full scale war inevitable.

The President asked for Congress to authorize a war in the State of the Union.

“In Iraq and Syria, American leadership – including our military power – is stopping ISIL’s advance. Instead of getting dragged into another ground war in the Middle East, we are leading a broad coalition, including Arab nations, to degrade and ultimately destroy this terrorist group. We’re also supporting a moderate opposition in Syria that can help us in this effort, and assisting people everywhere who stand up to the bankrupt ideology of violent extremism. This effort will take time. It will require focus. But we will succeed. And tonight, I call on this Congress to show the world that we are united in this mission by passing a resolution to authorize the use of force against ISIL.”

So far, Republicans can not even pass a war resolution because nobody in Congress can agree on exactly what they want out of it.

The AUMF: Stop the bickering and get it done

[tridim]

9. Any group that attempts to perpetrate the most offensive mass murderer possible

Automatically seals their own fate.

They are an organized group of murdering psychopaths, letting them continue their murder spree is not an option.

[Marrah_G]

10. Every country in the ME should be banding together to wipe these men out.

[Rhinodawg]

61. Please dont hold your breath for that.

[benz380]

12. Napalm 'em n/t

[polly7]

16. Regardless of any innocents in the area ..... just napalm 'em.

Tough talk.

Even tougher would be stopping the funding allowing these barbarians to operate, but that's difficult when your best 'ally' in the area is one of those doing it ........ but we can't have that, can we?

[benz380]

18. I KNEW someone would post that pic after my comment! n/t

[JaneyVee]

23. And you still went with it huh?

[polly7]

24. So why then would you post such a disgusting suggestion? nt.

[benz380]

33. I wanted to make sure I was right. But ISIS can still be control-Napalmed.

Put them in a cage like they did to the pilot.

[Ed Suspicious]

78. Violence begets violence begets violence begets violence begets violence begets violence, etc.

So it goes.

[Ed Suspicious]

84. Brothers and sons of "crispy critters" sure do.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

87. JURY RESULTS:

I didn't expect a hide, much less 6-1...


On Fri Feb 6, 2015, 12:38 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Not if you napalm enough of them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6185818

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Alerting on this insane post (yes, let's out-ISIS ISIS!) to see if I'm alone in hating ISIS without wanting to be just like them.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Feb 6, 2015, 12:44 AM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Third Reich level fascism. Vote to hide, and please tombstone poster's account, MIRT-team, thanks.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Grossly misguided but not hide-worthy.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: If this person had a higher post count I would leave it, but a 413 post count I consider LOW, and people have to learn to keep threads on DU civil as possible. Thus I am for hiding this thread more to teach the poster NOT to make silly comments about killing people, that upsets a lot of people.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

35. Your angry response to IS's brutality will earn you a hide. nt

[polly7]

43. Apparently not. Do you know if it was even alerted on?

I know I didn't ....... did you?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

45. No. But I've seen a hide for expressing such. Just a friendly warning, didn't mean

anything by it other than that.

[benz380]

47. Can I alert on my own post? Just curious. n/t

[Rhinodawg]

14. Everyone hates ISIS....So what do you want to do about it ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026163653

[Lint Head]

21. It not me or us it's now in Jordan's court. Japan can only do

so much. Jordan is in the region. Specifically what to do is a question for the heads of state.

[countryjake]

15. Jordan is saying that their pilot was murdered on January 3rd...

which is why they kept insisting on seeing proof or evidence of life before negotiations could continue.

Per CNN.

I wonder if Jordan will withdraw from the coalition now, since there have already been demonstrations around the country to end the war.

[Man from Pickens]

19. ISIS probably learned that trick

from its contacts at the CIA

Why would anyone be upset about this and not at the same time be livid at the US government and the politicians under which torture policies, secret prisons, and the entire gamut of totalitarian atrocities continue to this day?

[Rhinodawg]

20. I KNEW it was US fault.... I KNEW IT !!

[benz380]

48. Yep it's always our fault! No matter what! n/t

[randome]

22. '...continue to this day.' You haven't paid much attention for the past few years, have you?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Man from Pickens]

50. Wait, you think the torture policies are ended?

Leaving aside that there is no way whatsoever to actually verify that (part of the problem in engaging in such dastardly acts), the continued existence of Guantanamo, lack of any disciplinary action for those who engaged in those deeds, and the prosecution of whistleblowers (in preference to prosecuting torturers!) all tell us otherwise.

[stevenleser]

30. The answer to another group or country doing something wrong is not "US BAD" nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

36. Who says those upset about the Jordanian pilot aren't also livid a US atrocities? nt

[Man from Pickens]

56. I suppose we could measure it if you need precision

Got to tell you though, I feel awful lonely most of the time in being livid about evil policies being carried out by my own country. For example, we're still running the drone bombing campaign even though it is long known to be not just a complete failure, but a murderous and counterproductive one.

With respect to ISIS in particular, their existence is also directly owed to us - we created the power vacuum that they filled, we trained and armed and funded many of them. The vast majority of what we sent to Syria under the guise of supplying a "Free Syrian Army" went to them, as did much of what we gave to create an Iraqi Army. Our allies in the Gulf are their main sponsors, our other allies in Turkey appear to be giving them free passage and nominal support.

Of course our bloody fingerprints are all over this and similar incidents. These are the natural result of policies that were deliberately carried out in direct defiance of warnings that this would be the result.

There's no knee-jerking in placing blame on the US government for the activities of ISIS. We made them what they are today.

[libdem4life]

82. There was no Al Queda either, as I recall, or at least that we knew of.

[Ykcutnek]

25. They deserve everything coming their way.

Jordan warned them.

The NGOs who will most likely whine about the imminent retaliation can go fuck themselves.

[AngryAmish]

27. Jordan? You act like that means something.

Jordan is a tribal country. The borders are arbitrary. Half the population are Palestinian tribes. The other half are Bedoiun tribes. The king got put up there and they stay there by making the mostly Bedouin tribes happy.

The pilot was from an important tribe. A Sunni Bedouin tribe. They make up a good portion of the Jordanian armed forces. There has been big demonstrations by the pilot's tribe to get out of the war. Some Jordanians prefer Daesh over the Alawites, Kurds and Sunni tribes. If the king doubles down against Daesh, he might get killed or exiled.

Tribalism, not nationalism.

[former9thward]

51. The most accurate post in this thread.

[stevenleser]

28. IMHO the Japanese prisoner executions were the real watershed event.

I'm talking about that tonight. Will post transcript.

[Lint Head]

34. Can't wait to read it.

[stevenleser]

71. Here it is...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026182980

[Comrade Grumpy]

29. Wow, ISIS propaganda works.

It turns members of a progressive discussion board into blood-thirsty maniacs.

I think ISIS wants to draw everyone into fighting them. They probably believe that will rally their Sunni base and bring on the caliphate while sucking the West into endless war. Gee, it's already been 12 years since we invaded Iraq. Here's to the next 12 years!

[Rhinodawg]

37. Not me Grumpy...I love ISIS.

We should give them money,land,and let them kill as many non-believers as they want.

Who are we to get upset about innocent people being slaughtered?

[Brigid]

54. I wanna pick out a cute one and take him home to meet my parents.

[stevenleser]

38. You really refuse to get it don't you? You try to twist the facts to fit your worldview theory

instead of vice versa.

[SidDithers]

42. +1...nt

Sid

[Comrade Grumpy]

70. What facts am I twisting? And please elaborate on my "worldview theory."

And what don't I get?

I will admit to being a bit vivid in my portrayal of some of the opinions expressed here today, but other than that, meh.

Here's what I wrote:

"Wow, ISIS propaganda works.

"It turns members of a progressive discussion board into blood-thirsty maniacs.

"I think ISIS wants to draw everyone into fighting them. They probably believe that will rally their Sunni base and bring on the caliphate while sucking the West into endless war. Gee, it's already been 12 years since we invaded Iraq. Here's to the next 12 years!"

[Lint Head]

41. I think Obama is correct in that it is an issue for that area to handle as much as they can and we

do not need to invade. I think this could change things. We will see. No one is turning anyone into anything but burning a family member or compatriot alive can make a person decide to take certain actions. That is a decision not coercion. Pacifism is not necessarily 'always' inconclusive of progress-ism but those ideals do often exist together. Protecting human life by killing the perpetrator of horrific crimes sometimes has to happen. I don't think it was blood thirsty to stop certain fascists of the past century from their maniacal attempt taking over the world.

[on point]

32. Already sealed it's fate. Just setting how much time it has left

[hifiguy]

39. The Jordanians should herd every one of these barbaric assholes

that they can find into some well-isolated valley out in the middle of the desert's nowhere.

At that point the US might want to think about giving them a little tactical/battlefield neutron bomb therapy. Maybe twice for luck.

[AngryAmish]

58. genocide then?

[hifiguy]

60. Snuffing ISIS is no more genocide than was

the Battle of the Somme or the Battle of Berlin. Wiping out an armed military threat is hardly Milosevic getting his Himmler on in the Balkans against unarmed civilians.

[AngryAmish]

63. They have no uniforms

If we rolled the Big Red One into Iraq again, they would not meet us in the field. Then we are occupying the area again. The same stupid war that Bush 2 started, against the same people.

There are different forms of war between the West and that part of the world. For example the idea of a punitive raid, a staple of the west dealing with tribal societies, is now outlawed. The tribes support to fighters. The only way to keep them in line is collective punishment, which is also outlawed.

We are not fighting their war. We are relitigating WW2 against folks who are 2 generations past us.

[Agnosticsherbet]

77. Actually, they do have uniforms

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/02/03/islamic-state-uniforms-digital-camo-execution-video/22816459/

IS shown in matching digital camo in execution video
In a new execution video released by the Islamic State group on Tuesday, the militants are clad in matching uniforms bearing some similarity to those worn by U.S. Marines — a development that raises questions about their logistics and the image they want to convey.

The video, which appears to show the death of Jordanian air force pilot Muath al-Kaseasbeh, includes imagery of several men standing near a cage containing the captive. The lieutenant was captured in December after his plane crashed during a bombing run against Islamic State targets in Syria.

The digital desert camouflage the militants are wearing resembles the pattern licensed to the U.S. Marine Corps. It's known as MARPAT, which is short for "Marine Pattern." But over the past decade, similar patterns have become widely available, according to private intelligence and policy analysts.

Does their entire military have uniforms? The article doesn't address that question. Clearly, IS does have the logistics to supply MARPAT to some of their military.

[Kaleva]

40. That pilot was a member of a very important and influential tribe in Jordan

Lt. Muath al-Kaseasbeh was a member of the Al-Kaseasbeh tribe.

An excerpt from an earlier article:

"The Jordanian government is under growing pressure at home to win the release of the pilot, who hails from an important Jordanian tribe that forms the backbone of support for the Hashemite monarchy."

http://www.voanews.com/content/mother-of-japanese-hostage-begs-for-his-release/2616484.html

[e-cigdub]

62. heartbreaking

I saw the picture of isis throwing a "gay" man of a building then stoning him to death (somehow he survived the fall). im sure the pictures of this pilot is horrifying as well. Woke up to news about french soldiers being stabbed while guarding a jewish center.. and honestly i have taken a double take at the time and date on my computer. I keep asking myself is this 2015? after thousands of years have we come this far where were still killing gays? throwing people of buildings? not even a week ago i heard about a news of cops shooting a 3 legged dog they deemed a threat.. 3 legged dog!! people are losing there humanity.

[1bigdude]

66. They are RADICAL ISLAMISTS...and YES, it's OK to say that! NT

[philosslayer]

72. Sean Hannity?

Is that you?

[marble falls]

67. Without western arms dealers, former Soviet nations, China - all selling arms, it would be closer...

to resolution and thousands would still be alive. Just stop selling everybody weapons. Let them sort it out.

[marble falls]

68. Stuff like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141005102

[Douglas Carpenter]

74. I would compare it to the situation when Al Qaeda started carrying out attacks against Saudis in

Saudi Arabia - up to that point bin Laden and Al Qaeda did have a fair amount of domestic support - but once Saudis saw their own people as targets - that domestic support collapsed very quickly. In this case the whole "Arab street" saw a Sunni Muslim being publicly tortured to death by being burned alive - I'm quite certain that this act will have a profound de-legitimizing affect throughout the Sunni Arab world - the population base that ISIS claims to represent. This action will very much work against them, I'm pretty sure

[Lint Head]

75. And to me, considering today's news, I think it has.

[CullenBohannon]

80. hope so

They are complete scum. Also, we should stop arming the "moderate" rebels in Syria.

[Takket]

83. I have no idea what ISIS is doing...

I think they really believe they are invincible and they can do what they want to whoever they want. They have perverted their religion into an excuse to marry, rape and kill whomever they want and have created a murderers paradise they think is impenetrable, so they are going to egg on whoever they can until they finally bite off more than they can chew.

US already hates us, so lets kill some Japanese and burn a Jordanian.... let's see if we can get the whole world to attack us and we'll kill all their men and rape all their women.... This is how I honestly believe ISIS thinks.

[WillowTree]

85. Hopefully.