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(145,496 posts)tblue37
(65,483 posts)considering recent reports that many, perhaps most, major soccer games in Europe were fixed to enable organized crime to win big on bets, is it possible that last SB play was deliberate? The articlesxI have read on the soccer fixing scandal indicate that coaches were threatened to force them to cooperate.
Dyedinthewoolliberal
(15,588 posts)at least I hope so............
WaitWut
(71 posts)But I will say, paraphasing Pete Carroll (The Seahawk head coach,) he elected to pass because of the time left on the clock. Was it the right call? Obviously not, because they lost.
But if you watch the play from the time they break the huddle, you will see the NE CB (the guy who intercepts the pass) guess the play and then take two steps backwards. This allows him the unimpeded run to the spot where the ball will be on that particular route. That was a gutsy move by the defender and if any other play had been called it would have ended in an easy Touchdown. If the defender didn't recognize the play and not take the two steps back it's an easy Touchdown. So in my opinion it was simply a gutsy play by the defender.
As a Cowboy fan, it really hurts to say that. LOL.
Waitwut (the other one.)
LiberalFighter
(51,056 posts)1) Game films of opposing teams are very helpful.
2) Just like poker there are tells. In this case, Ricardo planted his right foot. Butler shot for the spot. What Seahawks watnted was SH Jermaine Kearse pushing NE Brandon Browner far enough up to cut off Malcolm Butler's angle.
Also, the five times this that Lynch ran the ball when it was on the 2 or less he scored only once.
They likely made the right call but it didn't work that time. Others have also suggested that Wilson would had scored if he had ran. I would agree.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)But the Seahawks weren't dead just yet. Severely wounded, not dead. They finished themselves off by jumping offside giving NE 5 yards and the victory formation.
demigoddess
(6,644 posts)How often do you play in a SuperBowl???
Love the Seahawks!
tblue37
(65,483 posts)a couple of articles about major fixing scandals in major soccer games, and I have seen so many comments, articles, and even cartoons insisting that the losing play was an insane, incomprehensible choice that it made me wonder.
The explanations given in the responses to my question are the first ones I have seen that offer good reasons to justify the choice. I don't know football, don't understand the play, and don't care about spectator sports. I was just responding to the fact that everything I had read prior to these responses seemed to be making fairly absolute claims about the play being unjustified to the point of being bizarre.
The only time a sports story interests me at all is when it intersects or seems as though it could intersect with some issue that impacts society as a whole.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I agree with the points others have made in this thread about what actually happened. I'll add this: If someone was trying to throw the game, presumably so gamblers could clean up, there would have been much better ways of doing it.
Consider that, on the play before the one that drew all the flak, the Seahawks were at the 5-yard line. Lynch ran the ball and was stopped at about the 1-yard line. If the coaching staff was in on the supposed fix, but Lynch wasn't, they were taking a huge risk that he would make that extra yard and put Seattle ahead with almost no time left. They would have done better to call the pass on that play and hope for the interception.
If Lynch was in on a fix, it would have been easy enough for him to fumble on one (or even two) of his numerous carries earlier in the game.
If Russell Wilson, the Seattle quarterback who threw the interception, was in on a fix, he too was taking a huge risk by waiting until the last minute of play to throw an interception. On the play that got them to New England's 5-yard line, he had completed a long pass to Kearse. If Kearse was not in on a fix, there was a risk that he would catch the ball and make five more yards for the touchdown. A hypothetically crooked Wilson should have overthrown him. If Kearse was in on a fix, it would've been very easy for him not to catch the ball at all without arousing suspicion. In fact, the play-by-play announcer at first said that the pass had been broken up by the Patriots defender, not realizing that Kearse, after juggling the ball and getting a couple of lucky bounces, had managed to end up with it. All Kearse has to do is not catch that pass and the Seahawks are more than thirty yards from the end zone.
I just don't see any credible scenario for throwing the game that accommodates everything that happened (and didn't happen) in more than 59 minutes of football before that play call.