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Facing one of those dangerous situations we hear about all the time. The Police in New Rochelle New York were called to a neighborhood because the young people were having a snowball fight. Recognizing the danger inherent in the situation, the officer quickly drew his weapon and secured the suspects in this heinous crime spree.
You can see the officer holding the scofflaws at gunpoint in this picture. Than God the cops had sufficient firepower to protect the decent and law abiding citizens from these hooligans.
http://www.talkofthesound.com/content/new-rochelle-police-draw-guns-black-youths-over-snow-ball-fight-nsfw
Here's the video. Warning NSFW. The officer appears to use inappropriate language while he threatens the teenagers with death for having a snowball fight.
Now, in conclusion let me say this. Oh FFS.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)... the kids should thank their lucky stars he didn't shoot them...
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,866 posts)Its scary.
glasshouses
(484 posts)by people who live in that neighbor hood
Arkansas Granny
(31,534 posts)looked like a large brawl. It's an easy mistake to make.
glasshouses
(484 posts)to 911 as a person with a gun out there
Sources told the Talk of the Sound that the officer was responding to reports of a person with a gun
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)To defend bad cops.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)they were called there because of a "large brawl"
Can't believe that you can defend police action by saying that.
glasshouses
(484 posts)Sources told the Talk of the Sound that the officer was responding to reports of a person with a gun
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/westchester-pulls-gun-teens-snowball-fight-article-1.2099426
PotatoChip
(3,186 posts)The report appears to have been wrong, though. Either that, or the gun report may have been made in regard to some other nearby incident.
http://www.talkofthesound.com/content/new-rochelle-police-draw-guns-black-youths-over-snow-ball-fight-nsfw
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Always the same set of "crimes". When will people of color learn to just be invisible to (mostly white) police?
marym625
(17,997 posts)Cops have lost it.
Come on, cop apologists, tell me how most cops are good, kind and civilized.
Sick to death of this shit.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)It is very convenient how the video just happens to pick it up at that point.
Without knowing more, I can not judge this action.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)They were playing with bazookas? Just before the snowball fight? ...
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)the 911 call of a person with a gun that the other officer seems to have been chasing. I like to see the full context.
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)It was either stated by the caller to get police attention, or made up by police to cover their ass.
No matter what, the cop is pointing a loaded gun at unarmed people. As is taught in all gun safety courses, you never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy. That cop was willing to murder those kids -caught right on camera.
glasshouses
(484 posts)Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)"There is virtually no chance there was a gun"
NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)on hearing reports that some young criminals were playing a dangerous game with projectiles called marbles.
safeinOhio
(32,729 posts)the kid for any concealed snowballs. Can't be too careful.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)a deadly snowball is a heinous crime!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)once when I was doing my job delivering newspapers some kid a mere two years younger than me threw a snowball and hit me smack in the head.
Yeah, I would have liked to see that young thug charged with assault or something.
When I was about in the fifth grade, I thought it was good clean fun to throw snowballs at cars. I threw one, and the driver stopped, and I quickly learned right there that teasing a weasel was not a good idea.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 1, 2015, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Actually, a number of passing cars.
When an officer arrived, he simply rolled down his window and yelled, "Hey you kids, go home." We ran like hell, all the way home. This was in a town a couple miles from New Rochelle. We were white. So was the cop. No big deal. If a cop had drawn his pistol, he would have been fired before the day was over. And, then the law suits would start . . .
glasshouses
(484 posts)Sources told the Talk of the Sound that the officer was responding to reports of a person with a gun
leveymg
(36,418 posts)No reasonable cause to draw a weapon. Officer is going down, administratively - or should.
glasshouses
(484 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)From the NY Daily News article you linked, above:
Police did not catch the suspect.
But the video paints a very different picture of what happened.
They were having a snowball fight, the woman recording the incident says. This group of guys was having a snowball fight and now a cop has a gun on them.
glasshouses
(484 posts)What the cop did was not unreasonable
leveymg
(36,418 posts)reasonable. That's the difference.
glasshouses
(484 posts)because something like this happened to us.
We were all white in the parking lot and the cops responded with guns drawn and made us kneel down
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Welcome to DU. That's what we have in abundance here at DU - differences and opinions.
I don't think a cop ever drew his gun in the town where I was raised, when I was growing up. Certainly, not on kids, even when we got busted - which in many cases, was long-overdue and richly-deserved. I suspect the difference was the era and the demographics - mine was a small suburban bedroom in the late 1960s that was rolling in dough. Lots of drugs, no guns. What was yours?
glasshouses
(484 posts)U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)glasshouses
(484 posts)marble falls
(57,301 posts)marble falls
(57,301 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Period.
meow2u3
(24,774 posts)That crooked cop really schooled me.
struggle4progress
(118,359 posts)on teens not what it seems: cops
Warning: Graphic language. The footage appears to catch a cop holding a group of teenagers at gunpoint after an alleged snowball fight. However, officials said police were responding to a gun-related 911 call and the clip paints an entirely different picture of what happened.
BY CAITLIN NOLAN , VICTORIA TAYLOR
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Sunday, February 1, 2015, 12:45 PM
Updated: Sunday, February 1, 2015, 3:26 PM
... There was no snowball fight, New Rochelle Deputy Police Commissioner Anthony Murphy told the Daily News, calling the video a piece of clever mischief.
He said police were responding to a 911 call around 4 p.m. Friday that a teenager standing in a group of six near the Heritage Houses had pulled a gun from his waistband and pointed it at another person,
We dispatched several cars to the area. Police officers got out of their cars and one of the individuals bent down, adjusted something in his waistband and ran, Murphy said.
As one officer took off after the suspect, another remained with the five teens who did not run, Murphy said ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/westchester-pulls-gun-teens-snowball-fight-article-1.2099426
marym625
(17,997 posts)"He touched his waistband"
Done. You're dead.
Disgusting excuse
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)And I HATE to see that line thrown out just as much as anyone ... gives me chills, in fact ...
But it has nothing to do with the facts surrounding 'why were they there', and acting in the manner they did upon their arrival, which is what the objection seems to be.
Had they rolled up in response and gunned someone down like the Rice boy (which was a friggin' disgusting execution) based on 'reaching for the waistband' ... your point would be pertinent.
This is a different scenario ... at least, until we hear something more (... hopefully not).
marym625
(17,997 posts)I'll believe the cops' story. Until then, it's bullshit.
Article in Time today says,
http://time.com/3691929/police-snowball-fight-new-rochelle/
Though it's possible I have missed it, they still haven't released the 911 call. There's nothing out from any dashcam or body cam.
You have black teenagers and white cops. It'll be a cold day in hell before I believe a cop in these circumstances again without 100% proof. They prove what they say is true, fine.
Even so, these kids were cooperating. They were already down. Absolutely no need to pull a gun, keep it out and say what he said. The bully, holier than thou, kyle-esque attitude has to stop.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Do I have to spell it out?
White Cops = Evil
Black Youths = Good
At any time, in EVERY case, no matter what.
Do you not understand where you are on the interwebs?
You need to get with the program.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Some see them as a bastion of truth, but others are well capable of calling out bs. I guess the phantom runner, phantom gun is a good enough story for some.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)I'm just more of a 'wait til the facts are in' kind of person.
Despite some serious recent incidents (obviously), it's not ALWAYS RIGHT ... to assume that the cops are incompetent racists, by default.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)'Wait and see' never sides with the victims in these situations. 'Wait and see' ran with Witness 40's version of events during the murder of Michael Brown.
rock
(13,218 posts)Or am I using ?
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FailureToCommunicate
(14,025 posts)Those memories just got a little sweeter.
Racist town = racist cops?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Idiots on North Avenue....it's where they all went to.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,025 posts)Idiots On North Avenue...bless their hearts.
jmowreader
(50,566 posts)You kinda have to ask yourself, "who videotapes a snowball fight?"
You also have to ask yourself, "why would two police cars respond to one?"
The cops claim there were reports over their 911 line of a person with a gun. Let's say they're telling the truth, because the state is going to pull their 911 tapes and listen, and if there's no such report on them they'll be in deep shit. No cop in the world is going into a incident involving a gun unless his own gun is in hand and ready to fire.
Try this on for size: could the yutes who made this video have thought, "hey, we can be the viral video kings today, you guys have a snowball fight, I'll call the cops and tell them one of you is waving a gun around, we'll video it when the police arrive, and then we'll edit it to make the cops look as bad as possible then put it on YouTube!"
Three things set my spidey-sense a-tingling: that we didn't see any footage of snowball fighting, just cops showing up; the definite cut in there (what did they not want us to see?); and the clarity of the voice-over at the end of it.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)The two that got gunned down within seconds of a police response, do you think 'yutes' want to risk what cops might do in order to post it on YouTube? Perhaps people pulled out their phones because they thought they were going to witness a murder.
jmowreader
(50,566 posts)Examine this lovely video in all its glory:
I investigated the backstory on this: he lured the cops to his room by filling a beer bottle with either water or urine - which one isn't known - and emptying it out the window so someone would see.
There are also TONS of videos of guys doing "First Amendment audits" by videotaping in strange places like bus garages, US 190 next to Fort Hood (it's the middle of the fucking desert - why in hell would anyone want photos of barren wasteland?) around the outside of a Florida jail, etc., until the cops show up to find out just why they're doing it. Hell, there are whole CHANNELS of people doing this very thing.
And don't forget the assholes who strap a GoPro to their chest and an AR-15 to their back then start parading around courthouses and malls until they get stopped. Once again, there are channels dedicated to these videos.
Not only do I "think" the yutes are risking what cops might do so they can post on YouTube, I've seen the proof.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)jmowreader
(50,566 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,345 posts)I get what you are saying about right wingers and the or "first amendment tests" but I figure it's better than nothing. I happen the be a fan of Photography Is Not A Crime which is founded by a DUer.
Now if the right wingers would quit blaming Obama and the Democrats for thirty years of drug wars and Supreme Court appointments of right wing assholes who want to toss all the Bill of Rights except the Second.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Unfortunately, Ramarley Graham didn't have that option in a similar situation:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/09/ramarley-graham-new-york-police-_n_1266715.html
Neither did Kenneth Chamberlain:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/06/nyregion/fatal-shooting-of-ex-marine-by-white-plains-police-raises-questions.html
Our interactions with cops are quite different.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)that the average cop was the meanest, dumbest bully in his high school class. Sociopathic assholes with IQs in the 70s should not be given guns and turned loose in this or any society.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)665 - Sheer dimness and cruelty.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)The bullies from high school don't become cops generally speaking. They go on to become business people who torment their subordinates. Or they become some sort of semi-skilled labor depending on their IQ and family connections.
The people who become cops are actually more dangerous. They are the victims of the bullies, the ones who were picked on the most in high school. I've spoken to many cops over the years, and they inevitably have similar stories. One was highlighted on a TV show. He worked out in the Gym every single day. His explanation was he was skinny and got picked on in high school. Now look at him. He has the power, and is seeking revenge. This explains why they overreact so egregiously when someone says something to them that can be taken in the slightest disrespectful.
It's worse because they were angry as children, and dreamed, even fantasized about getting revenge. They didn't have the power then, now they do. Now they have the power and nobody is going to treat them like that again. Cops tend to be born from the tormented of the school bullies, not from the bullies themselves.
But you are right. They are deeply scarred and psychologically unstable, and unsuited to the job. But since they are picked by others who have the same problems, the system perpetuates itself. A cop who was tormented as a youth believes he is a good guy, doing a great job, and has fifteen years doing that job. He finds a younger version of himself. The same sort of look, the same sort of feeling about them. This guy would be a great cop, he understands what it's all about. Before long, the department is filled with people who were picked on a lot in high school, and you end up with people who overreact when faced with any sort of perceived disrespect or challenge to their authority.
In short. Now I have a badge and a gun, and nobody is going to do anything like that to me ever again.
That is why I said it was worse. A bully can from time to time realize how badly they have behaved. Not all of them certainly,but some will. A victim of the bullying who seeks revenge, they can't believe they behaved badly because they are acting from the best of intentions. They want to stop the bullies from fucking with someone else. They see themselves as the great protectors, and don't realize they have in fact become far worse than what they hated. Generally speaking, people do things because they believe they are justified, entitled, or have some special unique quality that allows them to do this.
Picture it in your mind. The chubby kid. He's getting picked on. The tall gangly kid with the growth spurt that causes uncoordinated actions? He's getting picked on. The one who didn't go out for football, or who wasn't very good at it? He is absolutely getting picked on. Watch the Breakfast club again for stereotypical examples of these types. Emilio Estevez and Molly Ringwald are the in crowd and early in the film they dismiss the others as losers. Later you learn Estevez had done something horrid to another student, and how did his Father view this bullying by his son? Normal teenaged horseplay. Molly was upset that the rules applied to her too.
Emilio's character would go to college on a wrestling scholarship, and view Law Enforcement as beneath him. To get the idea of the cop, take Anthony Michael Hall's character, and drop the IQ about thirty points. Not in sports, not one of the richies, and mocked incessantly by those of the in crowd. Or better yet, take the guy who Estevez taped up with Duct Tape. Because he would want revenge wouldn't he?