Androids the prostitutes of the future?

[Swede]

Professors in New Zealand believe that by 2050, Amsterdam's red light district may be full of android prostitutes, whose prices will be controlled by the city council. Are prostibots in your future?

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In their paper "Robots, Men and Sex Tourism," Professor Ian Yeoman and Michelle Mars focused with some resolution on how Amsterdam's red light district might look in 2050.

They offer more reasons than mere perfectly flushed fluids for their prognostication. They say the prostibots -- working in a sex club with the very onomatopoeic named "Yub-Yum" -- would destroy the trafficking of human prostitutes from Eastern Europe and elsewhere. They also claim that these new androidesses will offer perfect beauty. I wonder how many beholders will agree.





http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57418025-71/will-robots-replace-prostitutes/

[ohiosmith]

1. Fembots!

Yea baby!

[Confusious]

52. Didn't they have machine guns in their boobies?

Not really what I want to suck on.

[ohiosmith]

68. Jublies mate!

[sakabatou]

107. All controlled by a Femputer

Who's really a fembot.

[Buns_of_Fire]

108. Death by Snoo Snoo!

Between that and Westworld being on a couple of nights ago...

[snooper2]

134. Wrong one, I'm pretty sure Karen would get the job..

She knows how to handle men

[sakabatou]

150. I never watched Spongebob so I wouldn't know

[Initech]

169. We no can dunk but good fundamentals. That more fun to watch.

"We find our humor to be more about every day observations."
"Translation: boring."

[hifiguy]

2. I wonder how the religulously insane

and the junior sex police will manage to get their knickers atwist should this actually happen. They will find a way, I am sure.

[seabeyond]

3. geez, and some men might actually be offended with the thought of fuckin a machine

i guess not. you are concerned about... what is it? "junior sex police"

[Warpy]

7. Well, there will always be a market for human flesh

but the sex robots will likely do for the working class, putting street hookers out of business by driving the prevailing prices down.

As for men being offended by the thought of fucking a machine, I'm reminded of the man who was busted for going at it with the umbrella hole on the patio picnic table or the one who was busted for going at it with a pumpkin in the middle of a field. There are certainly a lot of men out there who wouldn't mind.

My own ex would have humped the crack of dawn if he could have figured out the logistics.

And as I remarked, the price will certainly come down, sex robots needing neither food nor feeding a drug habit nor time to rest and recover every day. The good thing is that pimps will go out of business, too, replaced with robotics technicians and maybe a couple of greasy characters collecting the receipts.

Personally, I'm all for giving horndogs an outlet that doesn't hurt anyone else.

[2on2u]

40. Many are rejoicing over in the

sheep pen.... as well they should be.

[redqueen]

43. Horndogs is far too kind a word...

but yes, making it so that they are no longer hurting others is definitely what makes this worthwhile.

[Taverner]

138. We are all horndogs. If we weren't, our species would have been a footnote in evolutionary history

[DutchLiberal]

187. That implies that men who visit prostitutes are 'hurting' others, which is not true at all.

But, believe what you want to believe...

[CreekDog]

227. I understand arguing against "sexism" but you're just arguing against "sex"

and that's madness.

have we totally lost it?

[RKP5637]

83. I wonder if it will take bills, coins and credit cards? LOL Or maybe a

smart phone will do it all!

[Warpy]

91. Well, having them act as ATMs a la the Stepford remake

would be a distinct boon to business.

[joshcryer]

128. Coin Operated Boy

[Codeine]

151. Beat me to it. nt

[Taverner]

139. Credit card reader in the crack

[Jawja]

182. LOL!!!!!

[PassingFair]

123. As Tina Fey said ..."You could put a blond wig on a water heater....

and some dude would try to fuck it."

[Arugula Latte]

154. Or a camp stove...

[A Simple Game]

171. Do you think they will be self cleaning? n/t

[Warpy]

179. A BBCA show on men who live with Real Dolls

showed one performing perineal care with a bottle brush. I'm sure they'll need a swipe with a brush soaked in disinfectant between customers plus a quick blow dry. Or they'll just let the crust build up until they start losing customers, who knows?

[DutchLiberal]

188. No way a robot could ever replace the warmth of a human body.

but the sex robots will likely do for the working class

Ludicrous.

[Zalatix]

8. Men + sexbots = women + vibrators

[seabeyond]

10. good to hear you are comfortable with it zalatix. nt

[Zalatix]

14. I'm comfortable with people having choices, thank you.

[seabeyond]

19. hey... whatever. they have been able to use dolls for a long, long time

i was just feeling for the men i know. they would not be taking the same position and i wanted to stand up for them.

someone has to do it.

[Zalatix]

45. If women want and can buy male sex droids I'm for that, too.

Technological progress that renders the world's oldest profession obsolete, is all good in my book.

[Taverner]

141. Some people have a problem with losing their monopoly on sexual release

This, I believe, is the core of anti-porn zealotry

[Warren DeMontague]

165. I think it's a hard wired primate impulse from small hunter gatherer groups

women setting themselves up as the arbiter of sexual availability in the group, etc. Maintaining a high "value" on sex by limiting the "supply". This is why, I suspect, we often see women rather than men as the first line of so-called "slut shaming", for instance.

Of course, this old school hunter gatherer impulse goes absolutely nuts in a media rich modern environment that is totally immune to these kinds of weird control fetishes.

[Taverner]

170. By George, I think you are on to something!

[hifiguy]

177. I agree 100%.

Warren is often quite insightful on these issues.

[Zalatix]

185. It's also why women who turn to sex machines/vibes aren't vilified

but men who turn to equivalent forms of release, are made fun of.

Who ever gets made fun of for using a vibrator? Compare that to all the realdoll jokes.

[EOTE]

158. You're not standing up for anyone, you're just dishing out insults.

It's petty and stupid. You always disguise your insults as if you're trying to stand up for men in your life. You're not. You're simply a misandrist. It's disgusting.

[opiate69]

221. + a brazillion

[redqueen]

12. Vibrators look like men?

Men - fleshlights, women - vibrators.

Women somehow don't have as much of a desire (as opposed to a need, as such things are so routinely mischaracterized) for certain things.

[stevenleser]

20. So women who use vibrators are OK, but men who use robots are evil. And that works for you?

How do you not see this as women=ok and men=bad for doing the same thing? This seems way over the top in the misandery department, even for you.

[seabeyond]

21. i dunno, i read the post and didnt see "evil" anywhere.

misrepresenting what the poster is saying?

[stevenleser]

26. What are we in third grade now? It's obvious to any adult reading this thread what you guys mean. nt

[seabeyond]

30. you make up an argument, putting words into others mouth and then accuse them

of third grade when they call you on it?

so we are suppose to just accept you KNOW what we are thinking, though no one has said it? really? we dont need to be in the conversation, you will just do it for us.

where did anyone suggest the men are "evil"?.

no one said it.

that simple.

[redqueen]

44. it takes almost no criticism at all in order for men to feel 'bashed,'

it like it's open season on men.

Even if you have to make things up out of whole cloth in order to justify the outrage, obviously.

[Zalatix]

46. Uh, that's true of both sides of the aisle.

Both genders like to get easily offended.

That said, I am not seeing any misandry going on in this subthread.

[redqueen]

49. True but just like with housework...

it is far from balanced.

[Zalatix]

55. Who gets offended more easily? Well, I wonder.

Which offensive ad do you think generated the most outcry and got the most bad press?

Paris Hilton doing a Carl's Jr ad:

Or a guy being abused by his girlfriend for laughs:

Hint:
http://www.frankwbaker.com/sexy_carls_ads.htm
http://www.feministfatale.com/2009/03/just-another-piece-of-meat/

[DutchLiberal]

191. Ever notice how men are NEVER upset by being the butt of stereotypes and/or jokes?

Women? All the time! Make a joke about men, and men will laugh and say: "yep, that's us". Make a joke about women, and women will cry foul and say it's misogyny.

[Zalatix]

193. Correction: we're not ALLOWED to be upset. Because we're the evil gender, or whatever.

Plenty of men balk at that bullshit but we're told to stop being so sensitive.

Nothing stops a discussion deader in its tracks than trying to nail people down to why women are allowed to cry foul but not men.

[DutchLiberal]

196. Honestly, I'm NEVER upset whenever I hear stereotypes/jokes about men.

And I think most men aren't. Not that we 'aren't allowed' to... we just aren't. We hear a joke, we know it's just that: a joke. A joke is supposed to be an exaggeration of the real world.

"Men are interested in only one thing..." Yeah, that's us! "Men will say or do anything to get inside a woman's pants"... Yeah, that's us! "Men are as faithful as their options. Your husband is not a hero for not cheating on you, he just never had the opportunity" (heard that one from Bill Maher)... Yeah, that's us! We admit that. We can see that and we can laugh about it when it's pointed out. We accept that we are perceived a certain way and, even though it may not be true about each and every one of us PERSONALLY, we acknowledge it's true for LOTS of us, and that's why we see the humor in it. Or we just laugh at the stereotypes. We know stereotypes are not meant to be taken seriously and that's why we find them funny.

However, when a comedian makes a joke about women... Or just *a* woman... that's a misogynistic pig who's enabling The Patriarchy in devaluing and degrading women and now we need to have a 200-post discussion about it.

[Zalatix]

202. "Men are interested in only one thing..." Uh, no that's not "us". It ain't me.

And that is why I and other men get irritated by this crap.

It ain't me, so when women accuse men of this, I don't get intimidated away from saying "Hey, you're wrong, that ain't me, that joke ain't funny".

[DutchLiberal]

203. Yes, that's you, too. Unless you are biologically wired differently than all the rest of us.

[Zalatix]

204. No, it's NOT me, too. And I challenge you to show proof that all men are wired that way.

I am a hetero man and I am not only "interested in one thing" when it comes to women. You're wrong, and don't you dare come off telling me who the fuck I am. Neither you nor anyone else is qualified to tell me what motivates me. Every man is an individual, and we, even us hetero men, aren't all fixated on sex with women.

I will repeat, in case you are thinking of challenging me on this: show proof of what you say.

[DutchLiberal]

207. Biology.

Look, I'm not saying you and me or any other men look to a woman ONLY as someone we can have sex with. That would be ludicrous. Of course we're looking for much more: we look for love, for companionship, for friendship, for intellectual stimulation etc. That's what we want from our partner in a relationship, right?

Okay, so all I'm saying is that, beneath all that, what drives us, biologically speaking, is still our primal instincts. We don't recognize them anymore, we don't acknowledge them as such anymore, but they're still there. When you find a woman attractive, beneath those layers and interests I mentioned above, the primal motivation is still... sex. Whether we want to admit that or not. But it's simple science. We just try to deny it because we're supposed to be more evolved now. But just because we care about a woman in much more different ways than just as someone to have sex with... deep down that's still how we're evolutionary wired; we're wired to mate and produce offspring.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. Do you have statistical data to back that up? Or personal experience?

How would you know?

[Warren DeMontague]

62. "horndogs is too kind a word"

Nah, no bashing here.

[iverglas]

112. bashing WHOM?

Men?

Or MEN WHO EXPLOIT WOMEN TO GRATIFY THEIR OWN DESIRE for whatever it may be, "sex" not generally being the answer?

Are you saying the two are identical???

[Warren DeMontague]

114. So women who use vibrators are exploiting men, then?

Or maybe they're exploiting the vibrators.

Is "horndog" gender specific? Aye, horndogs is too kind a word. sniff!

[iverglas]

115. Is "horndog" android-user-specific?

Don't tihnk so.

I win.

[Warren DeMontague]

160. If you say so.

Personally, i cant untangle which of the evil oppressionatn' doodz on the oppressionatin' doodley dude venn diagram that label was supposed to apply to: men, men who patronize prostitutes, men who would patronize prostitutes but would rather screw a 'droid, men who would do one but not the other, etc.

(And then, of course, we could get into the debate over whether or not a transaction involving sex, money, and two consenting adults invariably implies "exploitation", but that would require at least another 400 post hair-tearing, cloth-rending thread.)

You can, apparently, so as you say, you win. Perhaps you should award yourself a prize, if you're so sure.

[redqueen]

125. Nice logic!

Shame it won't be recognized by those who would benefit the most.

[Warren DeMontague]

161. Women who use vibrators, you mean?

Last edited Fri Apr 27, 2012, 02:04 PM - Edit history (1)

I agree. They should stop harming humanity with their battery powered oppression orgasms.

[Zalatix]

186. What IS your problem with men who would use sex androids?

What's bugging you about that?

[DutchLiberal]

192. "Exploit"? Nah, no bashing here...

[iverglas]

197. pigs is pigs

Calling pigs pigs is not bashing men or anyone else.

But then maybe you didn't bother reading the conversation.



I gave my mum a signed first edition.

[DutchLiberal]

199. You're lucky you can get away with misandry like that...

If you said something similar about women, you'd be banned from the thread.

But okay, it's a good thing that we now have you on record for calling all men "pigs".

Thanks.

[iverglas]

200. you're lucky you can get away with totally false statements like that

Be sure to bookmark my post. Some day, when you are struck by lightning and acquire a respect for the truth, you may want to frame it.

does not come close to what ugliness like yours induces in decent human beings.

[DutchLiberal]

201. What, pray tell, is that "ugliness" that makes me "not a decent human being"?

Protesting against calling men "pigs"?

Yeah, I guess in YOUR world, that would make me "not a decent human being".

I'm glad you're showing your true colors now, once and for all, for all to see.

[Warren DeMontague]

219. Verily, and bitches are bitches.

[CreekDog]

225. Is this how you build up your feminist credibility? It's so odd and superficial...

it's like i see this tremendous concern about shallow sex, about b and c word usage and younger feminists respecting older feminists.

okay, that's cool, but where are you on the bigger issues of equal pay, and not limiting roles in society based on gender and misogynist posts that don't have anything to do with b and c words but simple denigration of women through simple discrimination?

there are tons of these posts and threads on DU all the time and i just don't see you there and your support could really help in those cases.

instead all the effort is on this kind of issue, which is honestly, now that it's 2012, simple about people wanting sex and sexual pleasure any way that they can get it --which is not a new thing.

when i think of feminism and standing up for proper treatment of women, arguing against men having sex with robots is so meaningless in the context of a society that pays women 70 cents for every dollar a man makes, that still treats women as second class in many ways, that allows women to be charged more than men for health care, that an entire political party has tried to win an election by offering up the health care and civil rights of women???

and you're here arguing about horn dogs? really?

it would be nice to see you arguing about equal pay. but instead you're here arguing about this and the other times agitating against beauty pageants (although at DU the only praise for beauty pageants has not been their objectification, but instead when they are examples of inclusion of people of color and orientation).

it just seems to superficial to me to rage against this here and not about all the other crap that really does disadvantage women in our society.

i don't get it.

[Warren DeMontague]

232. Odd how often the "concerns" dovetail neatly with those of the religious right, too, isn't it?

Yeah. When I think of the most pressing gender-based issues in our society, i think of things like reproductive choice- a topic on which some of the staunchest self proclaimed 2nd wave feminists are, oddly enough, often silent...

I guess it's not surprising that we recently had a thread about Chris Hedges- wherein he flogs the worst sort of authoritarian, pro censorship, culture war gibberish- gushing all over him for saying "I stand with the right Wing"


If it walks like a duck, etc.

[stevenleser]

235. Im sure you noticed how that group has refused to respond to your comments under this OP.

Many of us have asked similar questions, and pointed out similar things to them before.

Yes, it really is as you have pointed out. The real issues of women's equality dont really seem to get these 5 or so women energized. But talk about men having sex? Now they are upset and hurling out insults and vitriol and calling it feminism.

[A Simple Game]

172. Don't let it bother you. This guy can't handle criticism.

Every post I have seen where someone disagrees with him, he has to belittle the person responding.

Seems to have a real problem.

[DutchLiberal]

190. We know how you roll.

Don't play games.

[alittlelark]

93. I gotta say, your subject line

"So women who use vibrators are OK, but men who use robots are evil."

Has made me laugh for 2-3 minutes - my family is looking at me very strangely....


I don't know if my obsession W/ sci-fi... or the fact that I know of no women who do not use a vibrator... or that you are reaching into the stratosphere to make an analogy....

Something in that made me bust a gut...



.
.
.
I'll make pancakes and bacon for breakfast tomorrow to make up for the last 5 minutes w/ the family.

[stevenleser]

236. Thanks, it was supposed to be funny. Ironically so.

But it is quite to the point. There are three people making comments under this OP who are making that exact point. Men who would use these robots would be bad. But it is perfectly ok for women to use vibrators. To your point, its hard to find a woman who doesnt use a vibrator, so if those three people are making the argument that mechanical stimulation use is evil, they are making a statement about all of women as well. They dont get that.

[cthulu2016]

51. Thank god we have someone to speak for all women

[redqueen]

82. Do women buy male realdolls to fuck? nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

84. Yes. Yes, they do.

There are entire forums on the subject.

[redqueen]

86. Link? nt

[LadyHawkAZ]

95. NSFW

http://www.dollforum.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=24&sid=ccfec51fa1984d3124ee351dab465e4a

[iverglas]

113. snork

And did you actually read anything at your link?

About the first thing I encountered:

I'm new but have lurked for sometime but am still confused by the many options.

As the title says money is not a hindrance.My last male companion had problems with cleanliness and odor control.

Also I'm a man of determinative dimensions so I need a companion I can move from my patio to the grotto with ease.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

signed ... TheCarpetKing

Good work!

[LadyHawkAZ]

117. There's an entire thread dedicated to women owners

One of whom looked to be a mod there, so... what was the problem?

[iverglas]

118. yes, exceptions do test the rules

An entire thread of women on an internet board who own plastic men surely, surely refutes the generalization that it is men who form the market for plastic people.

Were it not for the men, I venture to guess that (a) nobody would be making any life-sized, life-like plastic dolls of this, er, quality, in any, er, sex, and (b) if anybody was, the unit price would be so high that nobody beyond the 1% would be able to buy them. Demand from women really just did not create and would not sustain a market.

And I doubt that demand from women alone made it profitable to market this product in any event.

But yup, there are some women who buy plastic men. You win!

[redqueen]

124. Its not even worth it.

Look how active the forum with a few (3? 4?) women is compared to the others. If that doesn't say it all there's no point trying to explain it IMO

[snooper2]

140. Hey, that's just as active as this "progressive" website

http://www.oldelmtree.com/

[Warren DeMontague]

166. I honestly think that any woman who reduces the beauty of the sex experience to a humming vibrator

is a potential sex offender. Shame, Shame, Shame!

[LadyHawkAZ]

164. Yes, I do win

The question was "Do women buy male realdolls to fuck?". The answer was yes. It didn't even need to be asked; Google turned up plenty of answer. I chose to post that example for the benefit of the hard-of-reading because that forum had a separate area for male vs. female dolls. The question was NOT "Do women buy these as much as men?" or "Are women carrying this market?". That is known as Moving the Goalposts.

Somehow I just knew getting involved in this thread was not going to be worth it.

[Warpy]

181. This is hilarious to me

I only knew one woman who had a male doll and she used him to deter carjackers and other thieves and to use the carpool lane on her commute.

[LadyHawkAZ]

184. lol!

Creative.

$4000+ for a masturbation aid seems excessive anyhow. Vibrators can be had for $10.

That being said, this whole "my masturbation is more moral than yours" subthread has to be in the top 10 list of most ridiculous DU arguments, and I've already regretted adding to it.

[Warren DeMontague]

110. Because women are programmed by the Matriarchy™ to reduce men to a humming tube full of "C" Cells!!!

It's HORRIBLE, the reductio-gynocentric female gaze phallo-objectiflisnatzhartz which women with their evil womany woman ways turn all that is wonderful about a man into a plastic doo-dad that they can blithely and emotionlessly toss into the nightstand drawer. Sniff!

At least the MEN, the poor victimized matriarchy-abused men, who are still holding on to a shred of their dignity under the weight of the female oppressor, still cry out for a sliver of the humanity their fem overlords have denied them, by purchasing (or, I suppose, renting....yuk) a full body animatronic substitute-- of their cruel oppressionatrix!

Not the women, no, no, not the women. With their emotionless casual lack of regard for all that is good and decent, they can turn a man into a battery operated orgasm dispenser, and nothing more. And when those batteries are dead, what do they often do? THEY THROW THEM OUT, THAT'S WHAT.

They probably don't even use rechargeables. Sigh.

Yes, Yes. I blame the Matriarchy.

[Taverner]

142. Are you the spokesperson for all women there?

[redqueen]

144. No, I just seem to have the apparently uncommon ability

to observe reality as it actually exists. Go check out that forum for all the women who buy real dolls. It's enlightening for anyone who thinks that's in any way a common occurrence.

[Warren DeMontague]

198. I want to know what you're prepared to do about the exploitative and harmful vibrator industry

The level of denial is depressing, when we have women reducing men to battery powered orgasm vending machines.

[Warren DeMontague]

220. Really? And how does going "La La La I Cant Hear Youuuu!!!" about the dehumanizing vibrator industry

gel with 'observing reality as it actually exists'?

[stevenleser]

13. Machines? You mean like vibrators? This is nothing new.

The sex toys industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and both sexes seem to partake quite widely/generously.

Not my thing, mind you, but in direct answer to your question, no, a huge amount of people of both sexes do not seem to mind using 'machines'.

[seabeyond]

16. again, good to hear you are comfortable fuckin' a machine. i am sure there are SOME men

that might be a little bothered that this is how their gender is preceived. but, cool that you are not bothered.

[stevenleser]

23. It is how your gender is perceived too, I am sure you have heard of the various womens toys.

And once again, for the second time, I noted that I am not into those things.

My interest in this thread is the fact that you and RedQueen are happy with women doing this but bashing men for doing it.

[Upton]

28. Isn't bashing men for something

par for the course?

[seabeyond]

32. you are saying there are not SOME men that wont appreciate someone standing up for them? lol,

not any? really? cause i know a whole lot of guys that would say

no thank you, to fuckin a machine. they just dont wanna.

but then, if that is bashing men, whatever....

[Upton]

35. You speak for men now too?

And as for your last sentence...you've got a long track record of doing just that.

[seabeyond]

36. SOME men .. dont forget that SOME.

[Upton]

38. Okay..."some"

though, as a man, I'd bet that for most men whether they indulge or not will depend on how lifelike the androids are. I mean, if it's almost impossible to tell the difference between one and a human female..look out.

[seabeyond]

39. lol. uh hu.

[CreekDog]

224. some men won't appreciate it

you have to be reasonably close in height for that to be a better option.

[DutchLiberal]

194. That's their attitude about EVERYTHING...

you and RedQueen are happy with women doing this but bashing men for doing it.

That's their attitude about EVERYTHING. Better to just let it go; it's no use.

[2on2u]

41. I would love a machine but only for

it's mind.

[Zalatix]

60. My god, that's horrible logic.

Where did you get the idea that he's comfortable with fucking a machine?

Just because he supports people having CHOICES doesn't mean he's going to make that choice.

[Warren DeMontague]

69. "comfortable fucking a machine"

That would depend, first and foremost, on the machine I would think.

[SwampG8r]

106. count me out

this whole idea is the opposite of sexually tantalizing
seems like a lot of technology wasted on an easily performed manual act

[seabeyond]

119. technology wasted on an easily performed manual act

that is what i was thinking. and really swamp, i think way more men tend to believe as you. just a guess... but, i am thinkin. surely that is not male bashing.

[Upton]

121. Has it ever crossed your mind

there may be something to these accusations of male bashing? There have been numerous posters pointing out that you and the other half of the dynamic duo engage it regularly..are they all wrong?

[seabeyond]

122. are they all wrong?... ya

[SwampG8r]

133. as a male i will answer

yes they are all wrong
pointing out actions where men demonstrate less than good judgement over sex,property,or money is not male bashing
if a hog is wallowing in offal it is not bashing to point and say "what a pig"

[OriginalGeek]

147. Obviously I haven't seen every case of perceived bashing

But I have seen a lot of what gets accused and didn't really see it as bashing. I know I have never felt bashed by Seabeyond or Redqueen. I HAVE seen points raised that required my thinking about them more objectively than I had before I saw their points raised. I have even had a convo with Seabeyond where we disagreed but not once did I feel bashed. She raised some great points that I hadn't considered BUT she considered what I had to say we talked and I think we each came away with more understanding of each other.

So I really have to wonder if the guys feeling bashed are even trying to see the other side.


I know I don't always try to see the other side but I can honestly say I try harder more often now than before I e-met Seabeyond and Redqueen. And that goes beyond just Feminist issues too.

[SwampG8r]

149. and as a man i give them a leeway for accuracy

sorry folks but i have been male my whole life and the entire time i have known guys who would stick their johnson in a waspnest if you told them they would get off
truth is an insulation for bashing complaints sometimes

[SwampG8r]

152. came back to reread

had the exact same encounter with both
reasoned conversation and we both walked away thinking it over
i dont comment on a lot of what i see either post
usually its feminist in nature and so i just read learn and butt out
my wife says this is my best course in almost every instance and she has like 8 degrees and stuff so she is probably smart
i have learned more about womens issues from those 2 than from anyone else here on du
and seabeyond has sons it is impossible to be anti man and pro son
and she is a grizzly bear when it comes to her sons
if people dont like what you mean they focus on what you say

[DutchLiberal]

195. It's not a duo, it's a trio.

Though the third musketeer has been taking it easy the past month or so.

Otherwise, you're right on the mark.

[SwampG8r]

130. to date i feel

unbashed

[seabeyond]

131. ah swamp....

[EOTE]

153. What do you gain from insulting men as much as you do?

Is it a turn on? I'm genuinely interested. You can slam the majority of men (and that's exactly what you're doing, most of us are far better at logic than you are at punctuation), yet you will utterly defend women for doing the exact same thing. It's like you've become a caricature now. It's really extremely sad.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Yeah, women never have sex with machines.

Like, ah, vibrators.

[Zalatix]

61. Or outright effin' machines. These things do exist on the market.

Actual automated <word probably censored on DU> thrusting machines very much do exist.

Look up effin' (use the real word here) machines.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. I assume you mean the legendary sybaris.

Yeah, I've been around the block a few times.

[Zalatix]

99. Oh it goes further than that.

These are literally piston-powered thrusters. I wish I could show you a link or two but I'd get TOS'd.

[MiddleFingerMom]

77. I'm sorry... isn't a vibrator a "machine"?

[Marr]

78. Yeah, but women use those, so that's ok.

[A Simple Game]

175. Many vibrators are gender optional, or so I have heard. n/t

[joshcryer]

87. You might be interested in the movie AI: Artificial Intelligence (stop watching at the Blue Fairy).

In it both men and women have sex bots. Actually, the female sex bots are only implied, to my recollection.

[chrisa]

145. AI: Artificial Intelligence. Stop watching at 0:00

[obamanut2012]

208. That's the first thing I thought of, too -- Jude Law's character

The one bright spot in that Godawful movie.

[joshcryer]

212. I still think the movie was OK, just end it at the blue fairy (underwater)...

...and it's still a good movie.

Everything that follows is Spielberg tripe that can be dismissed.

Jude Law's character was amazing, and as I said, I actually don't recall a female sex bot, it may have been implied but it never was explicit to my recollection. The only sex bot was one that actually serviced females, which was really cool.

[obamanut2012]

214. End it there and cut out a bunch of sloooooow parts

And it would have been a decent movie.

His character was very interesting, and yes, liked that the emphasis on a sexbot was not the expected one.

[tkmorris]

103. There is no need to be offended

As a man you can always decide to, you know, NOT fuck a machine. There, need to be offended avoided neatly and no harm done.

Furthermore, this is not in any practical way different than numerous other "sex aids" which are readily available right now, and have been for years and years. It's more technologically advanced and more "lifelike" one presumes, but not fundamentally different.

Women (and men) have been fucking things that AREN'T people for a long time now. The similarity between this idea in the OP and vibrators has been brought up to you several times now, and you have steadfastly refused to acknowledge it. Why? If there is some basic difference I'm not seeing it should be relatively easy for you to point it out. If there isn't and you aren't addressing it because you recognize the validity of that point then wouldn't it be better to simply admit that to yourself and thereby become wiser?

Lastly it seems to me that if android/robotic prostitutes become widely accepted than there will be a correspondingly FEWER number of young women taking on that role. Wouldn't that be a GOOD thing? It seems to me that would be cause to celebrate. Instead of some men using women as sexual objects they'd be using actual objects. Huzzah!!

[EOTE]

157. Why won't she acknowledge it?

Have you seen the sentences in question? If one is utterly unable to use punctuation or capitalization, you gotta imagine that logical consistency is not a widely used skill.

[obamanut2012]

210. Your last paragraph is a really good point

[snooper2]

135. I hate to point this out, but this is a machine as well...

[vaberella]

233. why does it look like it's giving me the finger....ROFL...n/t

[Taverner]

137. What would you call a "pocket pussy" or "vibrator"

One would think you would be for this, as it removes the human element from the prostitution question

[EOTE]

156. Those aren't machines, they're feminine aids.

It's so easy being a misandrist on this board. Especially that one. The stupidest, most misandrist shit day after day.

[EOTE]

155. Every woman I've known intimately has fucked a machine.

Usually fairly frequently. And none of them were offended at the thought. But I'm sure you, as the geriatric sex police will tell them how offended they should be, right? Well, someone who wasn't a massive hypocrite would say that anyways.

[CreekDog]

226. not if he got the high score

[ZombieHorde]

174. They may say it promotes masturbation, which some people consider a sin. nt

[hifiguy]

176. Probably true,

They hate pretty much everything about their own humanity and bodies.

[Blue_Tires]

4. I'm convinced the creators of "Futurama" really do know the future

but the future's so absurd they have to mask it as comedy

[fizzgig]

100. we can't have robosexuals running rampant in the street!

[EmeraldCityGrl]

5. Current TV is running a documentary Japan-Robot Nation

Fascinating and scary...

http://current.com/shows/vanguard/89610631_japan-robot-nation.htm

[MrMickeysMom]

6. Sort of makes you wonder which is going to die first...

This industry, or humanity?

Hell if I know.. but we seem to be at this point - and humanity can flourish or die off...

...while drones destroy targets from above, thus avoiding the target's pain... and... get fucked below, avoiding the pleasure between one human being and another.

By the way, a lot of technology seems to keep going into something that looks like a woman you can control....

Uh..huhh....

[redqueen]

9. "something that looks like a woman

that you can control"

Yep.

[CreekDog]

223. An Android is not actually a woman or a man

it hurts almost as much to point this out to you as banging my head against the wall at some of the crazy posts that are aghast that some human beings seem to want sex and/or sexual pleasure for the simple intrinsic pleasure they get from it.

teh horror!

[Warpy]

11. Just remember for the first few hundred years

after the establishment of trade routes with the far east and exploration of the western hemisphere that every single new foodstuff or recreational drug was first touted as an impotence cure.

Of course they're pouring technology into making the perfect plastic woman. It's what a certain segment of that sex has always wanted and even if they don't, they know a large number of their brethren do.

After all, the guys selling the utterly passive Real Doll aren't exactly going broke. Some men hate women while loving the use of a woman's body.

[joshcryer]

89. Humanity will probably go all digital and the distinctions may become obsolete.

We might not even have sex or gender...

[MrSlayer]

15. Nerd nirvana.

Im sure this is why robotics were invented to begin with.

[dimbear]

17. Please refer to this invention as a dating simulation. Have a little respect.

It's likely to not just save the economy, but actually replace the economy.

[Rex]

18. Sy-Fy bullshit.

No android is going to go along with that! Now robots on the other hand...yeah I can see it, androids - no not so much.

[Spike89]

31. Yup, robots are things, androids may be "people"

Not really seeing the victim in this scenario. How does it make any difference if you replicate the minimum (fleshlight) or replicate the entire physique? If it is OK to have a vibrator, is it also OK to have a "realistic" vibrator, what if you add testes?

[Rex]

104. Well I guess you could say a vibrator is a robot of sorts.

But androids might get mad at us one day...so for the record I SALUTE our future android overlords!

[Spike89]

146. Androids rule, but we'll always have the robots to kick around nt

[doc03]

22. Sounds great I hope it has mute button n/t

[DCBob]

25. hehe..

dont left wife/gf see this post.

[demmiblue]

29. Said the man who couldn't make a real woman...

[DCBob]

24. Cherry 2000.

Great movie.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

27. Or maybe science will engineer an androgenous race of prostitutes

that become fetishized, like the "spacers" in Samuel R. Delaney's famous short story, Aye And Gomorrah. I think eventually science will greatly slow the aging process to where everyone looks and feels like a teenager or whatever age they prefer and we are given the easy opportunity to experience sex as alternatively a member of both genders or even genders we haven't even imagined yet. If sex is no longer taboo, no one fears getting old and settles for just one person to get old with, and everyone is young and beautiful there would be no demand for prostitutes and no exploitation.

And of course science will eventually enhance the sexual experience inside the brain of the recipient of sexual gratification, stimulating and increasing the brain's pleasure centers and giving long-lasting orgasms of an intensity we can't even dream of yet.

[Upton]

33. Think of it..you could rent to own

I wonder how much they will cost?

[Go Vols]

34. lol

clicky

[seabeyond]

37. lmfao....

so sad. and look at the dudes.... so proud.

[2on2u]

42. Does this robot/android own a

vibrator? I cannot tell from the photo.

[E-Z-B]

48. Heh, this will also make marriage obsolete

[LadyHawkAZ]

47. As a profitable side industry, maybe...

There's a fringe that will find this appealing. As a replacement? No. Too many people hire prostitutes for the human companionship element, and will find this unsatisfying.

[seabeyond]

54. who would have thought, standing up for men is man bashing

this is a hoot.

[Warren DeMontague]

65. Not all women are anti sex authoritarians who want to tell consenting adults what to do

See? I'm standing up for women!

[seabeyond]

66. so, in your world, i should say of course, all men want to fuck a machine.

and that would NOT be man bashing

[Warren DeMontague]

67. If it were me, I'd say consenting adults, different strokes, not my business.

But if I were someone who had some odd psychological drive to try to control other people and moralize to them about their personal sex lives, I don't know what I would say.

[seabeyond]

70. awfully defensive warren. like you wanna fight or something.

relax

[Warren DeMontague]

109. I don't know how you read a simple, factual statement as "defensive". That post is a straightforward

expression of a couple factual truths. If one wanted to overlay some additional subjective meaning on it, one could conjure up some fanciful interpretation about how I was "standing up for people" by implying that some of them are not people with odd psychological drives to try to control other people and moralize to them about their personal sex lives.


See? Stickin up for the peeps!

With, you know, facts.

[Warren DeMontague]

64. Cough.

[guitar man]

53. This thread needs music

&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[Doc_Technical]

56. The Buggles wrote a song about it.

[guitar man]

57. Perfect beauty?

How boring, not interesting at all

Now, if they can make a less than perfect big and round girl that can grind it out to Barry White and Marvin Gaye and stay behind the beat.... then I might be a little interested

[-..__...]

71. They're not just for men ya'know...

&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence#Cast

Back on topic...

This one... I wouldn't even want to think of fucking around with...

&feature=fvst

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Blade_Runner_characters#Pris

[AsahinaKimi]

72. heh

[Scuba]

73. They have these already...

... although I've only seen one model. The Calista.

[varelse]

74. This deserves a DUzy :)

[Canuckistanian]

75. I thought they were supposed to be lifelike

The Calista2100 model is kind of twitchy....

[Scuba]

76. Probably an early prototype.

[edgineered]

79. Sure, I love being seen by my friends with a beautiful woman -

What is truly beautiful though, is when you've made a woman feel beautiful.

I can't say that nothing is impossible, but I have doubts in believing an android can do that; and looks won't change that.

[hunter]

80. Two words: Remote Control.

Yes, now anyone can work as a prostitute without touching any dirty johns.

Eighty year old guys posing as eighteen year old women can entertain clients on the other side of the world.

Listen to the customer, push the right buttons, and the robot does the rest.

(That's one way to supplement an inadequate pension...)

[nolabear]

90. Well there goes my sex drive.

Right down the tubes. Or snagged in the gears. Or something...

[AnnieBW]

81. Reminds me of a quote from "Angel"

Spike: Sex with robots is more common than most people think.

[FarCenter]

85. They could be thoroughly cleaned and disinfected between encounters

It should cut down considerably on diseases transmitted via bodily fluids.

Plus there would be no excretory functions needed.

Monthly maintenance may still be needed.

[Evoman]

88. Jesus Christ....I'd be embarrassed enough being a pathetic loser who has to pay for sex.

You sure as hell wouldn't catch me fucking a goddamn robot. The only good thing about this is that it takes the John's sperm out of evolutionary consideration....a prostitute can still get pregnant and carry on the loser genes.

Besides, the fear of being electrocuted after a money shot is just too real, hehe.

[BlueIris]

96. '(I)t takes the John's sperm out of evolutionary consideration...'

Good point. I guess.

[seabeyond]

132. hey....

you are a fav. i think about you often. are you ok?

[MadrasT]

163. *snort*

Besides, the fear of being electrocuted after a money shot is just too real, hehe.

Thread winner, right there.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

92. They were producing some pretty impressive fembots as far back as 2006

If it takes them another 40 years to be indistinguishable from humans I'll be surprised.

Here's the 2011 model:

[Tabasco_Dave]

94. Better pay those prostitutes or this bad dude will cut you!

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[WhoIsNumberNone]

102. Or...

[backscatter712]

97. On one hand, this is a genuinely ethical alternative to sex trafficking.

If you're screwing a machine, who gets hurt? Essentially, it's a form of masturbation.

OTOH, if we had a robot uprising in the future, this is where it would begin...

[WillyT]

98. I'm Sorry... But I Refuse To Have Sex With My Phone !!!

Now just because it's in my front pocket and set to vibration mode should NOT be misconstrued to mean anything.

BTW - Two Words - Or One - West World

[alittlelark]

101. Westorldcomputers....

http://westworldcomputers.com/

The site belongs to a relative.


Just sayin'...

[bluedigger]

105. This isn't going to end well.

[Warren DeMontague]

111. Sez You.

[eShirl]

116. au contraire, Harcourt;

it's all about the Happy Ending

[madinmaryland]

126. Having sex with Grovelbot???

[Taverner]

143. Grovelbot's got a nice set of headlights there

[Codeine]

159. I just like the way he begs for it. nt

[Snake Alchemist]

127. More jobs being taken. How are these different than the self-checkout machines at the grocery store

nt

[Vanje]

217. Well

Ya probably ought not masturbate on the self checkout machine.

(" Hey Baby. Check THIS out!&quot

[LadyHawkAZ]

222. For one thing

I have yet to have anyone tell me that, anytime I see a human checker at the supermarket, i need to visualize her being raped by her father, because she would obviously never have taken such a crappy job without some kind of past trauma. Or told me I should use the self-checkout rather than the human checker because that trauma left her useless as a human being and making her scan my groceries is dehumanizing. And I'm pretty sure that no one has swiped that checker's complaints about her past from her (confidential) sessions with her therapist and broadcast them all over the Internet.

Can't have it both ways, Snake. Either they're adults doing their job or they're useless damaged goods that should never have sex again. Pick one and stick with it.

[B Calm]

129. Newt Gingrich would marry one. . .

(but, maybe he already has)

[Taverner]

136. Works for me

[reflection]

148. Not sure what the fuss is here.

Fewer actual women exploited, less spread of disease, lower birth rate. The only downside I see is the inability of some men who would primarily use these to properly learn how to emotionally connect with a real woman. (Sorry, that was a horribly constructed sentence but I don't feel like editing it.) However, I suspect a subset of men who would use a fem-bot for sex would probably have issues connecting with women regardless of the existence of this new technology.

As some other posters have opined, no one seems to be getting hurt, and choice is always a good thing, so I say live and let live. None of my business. I prefer my beautiful wife for such things, but other people have different proclivities and they should be allowed to indulge them if no one is getting damaged somehow.

[sylvi]

167. The Dude abides

Jackie Treehorn: Wave of the future, Dude. One hundred percent electronic.

Dude: Hmm, well, I still jerk off manually.

[Initech]

168. Didn't Futurama already warn us about the dangers of dating robots?

[Yuugal]

206. You're a real dreamboat....BILLY EVERY-TEEN!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4510/futurama-anti-robot-propaganda

[ZombieHorde]

173. I wonder the social ramifactions would be.

I could see both desirable and undesirable results from android prostitutes.

[TNLib]

178. It's just another sex toy on the market.

I wish they'd make androids that did something usefull like clean the house.

[B Calm]

180. They would just replace workers,

leaving more people unemployed and starving.

[Motown_Johnny]

183. and we will have a paperless society by 2010

These people are wrong because men will still want to pay for real women and some women will be willing to exchange sex for money.

There may be a niche for android prostitutes but they will never replace the same thing. The geeks who think they will need to get laid.

[Warren DeMontague]

205. Let me see if I've got it straight:

Men who have sex with prostitutes are evil because they exploit human beings. Men who have sex with robots, instead, are ALSO evil because they are having sex with a machine in place of another human being! A human being, which, of course, they would be exploiting. But, ah..

Yeah!... And WHY is it that we can't have a thread (about sex) without talking about men wanting to stick their icky things into other things (i.e. Sex?) Is that all men ever want to do (in sex threads?) Why don't we hear about the mulititudinous other things men are capable of doing, like fly fishing, or hang gliding, or riding a segway (in a sex thread)

Plus it is TERRIBLE that men would use a machine to get off, which is of course nothing at all like women using a vibrator.



...Did I miss anything?

[obamanut2012]

211. Do you ride a Segway?

[Warren DeMontague]

216. As a matter of fact...

[obamanut2012]

218. knew that was you

[obamanut2012]

209. How did I miss this thread -- it's insane!

I would like to state a few of things:

1. Men, including straight men, also use vibrators.

2. Vibrators were originally medical devices, invented because doctors were getting literally exhausted for having to manually masturbate so many female patients to orgasm. Thus, the vibrator was invented.

3. Some people in this thread are confusing vibrators and dildos.

[Ichingcarpenter]

213. OK ladies here's a Stone Age Dildo - talk about a robot

Its 10,000 years old but outlawed in Alabama now.

LOL.... what ever gets you through the night
its all right, its all right....... John Lennon

[Buns_of_Fire]

215. What's going to happen when a male sexbot ultimately meets a female sexbot?

It's bound to happen eventually. And you know they're both programmed for one thing and one thing only.

Will there be a kidbot-boom, will they merely short each other out (scaring many children in the process), or will we have to just ignore it and detour around them in the streets until their batteries run down?

[JVS]

230. Robot orgy!

[ehrnst]

228. Not until they run for public office.

Oh wait - that would explain Romney.

[neverforget]

229. Lt Cmdr Data: If you are referring to sexuality, I am... fully functional,

programmed in... ... multiple techniques.
Borg Queen: How long since you've used them?
Lieutenant Commander Data: Eight years, seven months, sixteen days, four minutes, twenty-two...
Borg Queen: Far too long.

Capt. Thadiun Okona: Now, that's sex appeal!
Lt. Cmdr. Data: Sexual attraction in this context is not a part of my programming. I am an android.
Capt. Thadiun Okona: Well, then, have you seen any good-looking computers lately?

Even Androids like sex....at least in the future.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0001459/quotes

[jtuck004]

231. Maybe I should try to get some money and invest in lubricants... n/t

[Kablooie]

234. Terrible! Men will just look on them as sex objects.