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[Blue_Tires]

Rand Paul: I'd shoot a drone out of the sky

Sen. Rand Paul told CNN on Wednesday that if a drone flies over his house, “they better beware, because I’ve got a shotgun.”

Referring to a drone found Monday on the White House lawn, CNN’s Ashley Codianni asked the Kentucky Republican whether all drones should be banned outright. “Drones should only be used according to the Constitution,” Paul responded, before warning anyone who plans to fly a drone into his neighborhood.


When asked whether he’d like to occupy the White House after 2016, Paul responded, “maybe.” He then added, “They may have to make the fence and guard the fence a little bit better than they have been doing lately.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/rand-paul-id-have-shot-that-drone-out-of-the-sky-114679.html#ixzz3QBAfEsiX

[JonLP24]

1. Its a little silly

but I wouldn't be a fan of a drone flying around where I live.

[merrily]

4. So, you hope Amazon does not get to use drones for same day deliveries?

Me, too.

Alternatively, you can hope the people in your neighborhood are not Amazon customers

[JonLP24]

5. I meant surveillence drones

U.S. law enforcement is greatly expanding its use of domestic drones for surveillance. Routine aerial surveillance would profoundly change the character of public life in America. Rules must be put in place to ensure that we can enjoy the benefits of this new technology without bringing us closer to a “surveillance society” in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded, and scrutinized by the government. Drone manufacturers are also considering offering police the option of arming these remote-controlled aircraft with (nonlethal for now) weapons like rubber bullets, Tasers, and tear gas. Read the ACLU’s full report on domestic drones here.

Numerous states are considering (and some have passed) legislation regulating the use of drones. You can see a chart summarizing the developments around the country here. Congress has ordered the Federal Aviation Administration to change airspace rules to make it much easier for police nationwide to use domestic drones, but the law does not include badly needed privacy protections. The ACLU recommends the following safeguards:

USAGE LIMITS: Drones should be deployed by law enforcement only with a warrant, in an emergency, or when there are specific and articulable grounds to believe that the drone will collect evidence relating to a specific criminal act.

DATA RETENTION: Images should be retained only when there is reasonable suspicion that they contain evidence of a crime or are relevant to an ongoing investigation or trial.


https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/domestic-drones

[merrily]

7. Thanks for clarifying. I am with you on that, but not hopeful.

I am not looking forward to the Amazon drones, either.

[shraby]

2. What in the heck did he mean "drones should only be used according to the constitution"?

That didn't make any sense like most of what he says.

[merrily]

3. What is your problem?

The Federalist Papers are perfectly clear that the great majority of Framers stood firmly against unauthorized drones landing on the White House lawn.

[JonLP24]

6. I think he means consistent with the 4th Amendment

That is the way I understood it such as with a warrant or in a case such as an emergency

[merrily]

8. The key would be reasonable expectation of privacy.

So, it would depend what drone were surveilling. We already have cameras on our streets and many of them even pick up sound as well.

[JonLP24]

9. Around your home?

Look if more cameras including flying stealth cameras makes you happy, you are entitled to that. Just don't expect me to jump on the erosion of civil liberties ship.

[merrily]

11. I live in Boston. I take it you've seen videos of the Tsarnaevs walking the streets of Boston.

Look if more cameras including flying stealth cameras makes you happy, you are entitled to that. Just don't expect me to jump on the erosion of civil liberties ship.

You seem to have "misunderstood" my post. FYI: knowing a Constitutional standard that courts apply in Fourth Amendment analysis and also knowing that there is a camera every two blocks on my street does not equal my saying that more cameras make me happy.

[sabrina 1]

10. I imagine he is speaking about the use of Government equipment or people for surveillance purposes.

The 4th Amendment forbids such abuse of power which began with the Cheney/Bush crowd and has expanded since then. The Constitution is clear on when the Government can cross the line into people's homes and lays out what is required when they do.

[merrily]

13. Shooting a drone out of sky with his rifle, coming from Paul, sounds more to me

like pandering to the Second Amendment audience than a realistic Fourth Amendment justification.

On a related topic:

Justice Brennan once spoke of having to keep his voice down because of sound equipment that could be used outdoors to pick up sound within buildings. I don't know when that was, but he left the SCOTUS in 1990. I imagine the technology is even better now.

There are cameras (with or without audio capabilities) at least every two blocks outside my door. In fact, they were pointed out to me while seven cities and towns were "sheltering in place" as local, state and federal authorities searched for a wounded 19 year old surnamed Tsarnaev and I was heading out to grab some lunch.

So, I think (a) we all need to be aware of the capabilities, including that things we say in our homes may be picked up by audio equipment, government or private; and (b) anything you can pick up from the street (or from the the sky), audio or visual, may not require a warrant, even if sound and image enhancing is involved.

[hunter]

12. Who need a shotgun when you can use an LA Kings teeshirt?

Dumb ass and his shotgun...

Turning a hose on the thing would be more "Get off my Lawn!" manly.

[freshwest]

14. More private militia, barfing claptrap:

“They may have to make the fence and guard the fence a little bit better than they have been doing lately.”

Really now, Randy-Poobah?

The White House already has a fence made before you were born - buzz!

What do you plan to do, surround the place with your private security:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023443555

What a lovely vision...

Drones fly over fences, they don't stop at fences or for guards - you are a waste of protoplasm!

[bigwillq]

15. Drones kind of creep me out.

But that's where technology is headed.

Just think it's creepy that they are going to use these machines to deliver goods, among other things, to people.

I don't buy anything on-line, and I hope I'm not ever forced to. I am old school. I would rather go to a store in person.