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End Obamacare, and people could die. Thats okay.
We make such trade-offs all the time.
Seriously. That's the headline of an op-ed in the Washington Post
The author is a resident scholar at AEI, a preeminant GOP think tank. Forgive the misnomer.
Say conservatives have their way with Obamacare, and the Supreme Court deals it a death blow or a Republican president repeals it in 2017. Some people who got health insurance as a result of the Affordable Care Act may lose it. In which case, liberals like to say, some of Obamacares beneficiaries may die....
...If these are the stakes, many liberals argue, then ending Obamacare is immoral.
Except, its not.
In a world of scarce resources, a slightly higher mortality rate is an acceptable price to pay for certain goals
When this kind of naked economic amorality is floated, we should probably take notice.
Republican incubators of thought; You can't live with 'em. You can only live without 'em
niyad
(113,552 posts)hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Now we are pinballing around the ninth circle of crazy.
betsuni
(25,615 posts)The comments to the article are good -- I'm relieved to see everyone is disgusted.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)that the world was going to have to deal with the problem of "useless eaters." They're just saying it in public now. There is a substantial surplus population over the number of slaves they will need or choose to keep alive.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Shall we starve the .001% beast?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)we're talking rich assholes here who have enough money to take in most everyone else in this country and feed, cloth and house them, damn sure all the poor and downtrodden. fuck a bunch of rich jackasses
and the motherfu*kers want more tax breaks
Triana
(22,666 posts)my ass. We have plenty of resources - water, food, medical equipment and medicines. And -- money. Problem is, it's all being destroyed for profit and the money hoarded by a very very tiny minority of humans on the planet. The resources are NOT "scarce". However ACCESS to them is difficult because of historic inequality driven by incessant, umitigated GREED of the people who think it's A-OK that those who don't have ready access to plentiful resources - just drop dead.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)When the next 19 countries have figured it out. The resource that's scarce isn't money. Perhaps Republicans are saying Americans just aren't as smart as people in the other 19 of the G20 countries. Intelligence is the scarce resource. Except it hardly takes much intelligence to figure this out. Medicare for all. There. Done. You're welcome.
So, not money, and not intelligence. Maybe compassion? The ability to care for other human beings? Yeah, there's where your Republican wealth-hoarder has a scarcity. There are only so many things a person can care about. And your typical Ayn Rander grows fatigued after caring about personal profit. Whew! That's tiring. Where are they gonna find the energy to care about anything else?
Triana
(22,666 posts)BINGO.
And compassion, too.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)...on both counts.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... of a textbook psychopath. And this evil bag of rat excrement is not the exception in conservatism, he is the rule.
world wide wally
(21,754 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)Bucky
(54,065 posts)daredtowork
(3,732 posts)rwsanders
(2,606 posts)In that movie, they attend a conference and claim to have a computer program that would predict the cost/per life if a companies project went wrong so they could plan for it. It was sickening how many of the conference attendees desperately wanted to by the program.
genxlib
(5,534 posts)They aren't fetuses that are dying.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)"If you're pre-born you're fine. If you're pre-school you're fucked."
Truer words, etc, etc....
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Democrats should be talking of this op-ed piece to all their friends. Candidates and those already in office should mention it at every talk.
Every other argument against the Affordable Care Act has crumbled under the facts. It is saving lives and preventing people from going bankrupt just because they got sick.
Now let's strengthen it and move toward free health care. There's enough wealth in this country to provide it for all.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Who actually reads in this country? Perhaps the 40% of Americans who are functional illiterates? Perhaps the seniors who recently voted to increase the minimum wage in numerous states and also voted for Republicans who will do their best to eliminate Social Security? The same seniors who send in petitions to save Social Security, the same seniors who think there is nothing wrong with healthcare in this country because Medicare pays their bills? All of these groups will also vote Republican even though the Republican party stands for nothing but making the top 1/10th of 1% richer no matter what the cost. And please do not accuse me of attacking seniors. I am 64.
NBachers
(17,136 posts)Lead by example, I say!
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)If they really think there should be less people in the world, then why are they against contraception and abortions? Why aren't they all over teaching sex ed and making sure condoms are given out free everywhere? Why aren't they insisting that businesses provide contraceptives to all their employees? Family planning will do a better job of cutting down the world's over population. And I don't read this as silly. I read it as silly and stupid. Which, to me, is worse.
Curtis
(348 posts)I don't see a problem spending that much on Healthcare for everyone. It's a much better way to spend our money than on the military.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)War is what consumes the lion's share of the budget, not healthcare. I somehow doubt that he would be up for a smaller military budget.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Evil sociopath. People who don't care about killing other people are just not human, they themselves are a scourge on humanity.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,194 posts)"Jumbo Shrimp"
"Military Intelligence"
"Compassionate Conservative"
"AEI Scholar"
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and "Justice Thomas" deserve inclusion on that list.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)ChosenUnWisely
(588 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)control, or are they going to keep feeding the future's military forces?
Make up your minds!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Chemisse
(30,817 posts)That could go 2 ways. It could shock people into action. Or it could open up such talk as acceptable.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
handmade34
(22,757 posts)and many in the United States provided the strong impetus in the early 20th... seems there are some who still cling to the idea...
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/1796
even Vermont played a role...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Nice to keep up to date on these things.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)"Theres the scarlet thread of murder running through the colourless skein of life, and our duty is to unravel it, and isolate it, and expose every inch of it." (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1887).
Sometimes that scarlet thread pours through the pretty petty pronouncements of political philosophies. We've seen this guise and cloak before, it offers the appearance of analysis while hiding its barbarous nature and intent. Whole nations and peoples have been decimated or completely disappeared through such contrivances.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)nakocal
(555 posts)Conservative values are the exact opposite of Christian values.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and the wickedness is the motivation behind every policy agenda which is why I distrust and despise all who would substantially emulate them and suffer no assimilation or meeting halfway. Call me "a purist" till you turn blue in the face because I was never talking about any single policy or vote.