Barbaric punishments: Saudi Arabia has the same orientation as the "Islamic State--ISIS"

[Surya Gayatri]

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http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/is-islamischer-staat-saudi-arabien-verhaengt-aehnliche-strafen-a-1014231.html

All hail the hutzpah and honesty of the European press.

DER SPIEGEL dares to go where the cowering and craven US MSM will not. And on the front page of their website.



"In Saudi Arabia, the blogger Raif Badawi is whipped - for criticizing the religious police. A cruel punishment, also imposed by the "Islamic State". Both regimes share a similar ideology.

And Germany has diplomatic relations with such a country? Without oil, the country would be equivalent internationally to North Korea. What penalties are to be expected for women who drive secretly?"

[libdem4life]

1. Remember Bush's kiss on the Sheik's Cheek...(has a ring to it)...we don't care what

our friends do, especially those who make us rich. God (or Allah) help those we don't like.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. Somebody has re-posted that shameful spectacle again,

in "honor" of the late King. Can't find it right now...

[napkinz]

15. ...

[JonLP24]

2. I wish the US & all media would focus on the specifics a lot more

The guy who took over Saudi Arabia (or the 1st Saudi State) was a follower of an 18th century preacher who is the founder of the Wahabbi movement (his last name is Al-Wahhab), they are very orthodox, ultraconservative and want to go back in time. "Convert or die" is their brand of outreach. Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Al-Qaeda, Governments of Qatar, Kuwait, ISIS, Boko. All Wahabbi-Salafi, there's some differences here or there but is the same ideology.

This is the only thing I've seen from PBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, and CNN that show at-least one of them gets it

[Surya Gayatri]

4. No matter how much money they have or how many

'respectable' news outlets they can buy, this is the naked truth:

"All Wahabbi-Salafi, with some differences here or there, is the same ideology."


Medieval despots and torturers.

[ChosenUnWisely]

5. BFD Many countries execute their citizens, here in the USA it is a sport and badge honor in

some states.

Until the USA stops killing its citizens, we have no right what so even to complain about how other countries choose to kill their citizens.

[Surya Gayatri]

6. This is a major German media outlet complaining. As for myself, I live in France, where

the death penalty was outlawed back in the 70s.

[ChosenUnWisely]

7. Germany and France can complain but they may not want to seeing that they contributed to the ME and

SA mess in the first place if one were to go back and read up on the shenanigans pulled by both countries in the ME and SA over the last 100 years one could easily make the case that both France and Germany contributed to the creation of and keeping in power the thugs who run SA.

At least France and Germany have out lawed the DP, unlike the USA.

[Surya Gayatri]

8. Most assuredly, France and Germany (to a lesser extent) can be blamed

for the post WWI mess in the Mid-East. But, the UK deserves the top of the bill.

[ChosenUnWisely]

10. No doubt, plenty of blame to go around Western Europe and the USA.

All of them are guilty.

[JonLP24]

13. Are you saying US citizens on a message board?

I criticize all state sanctioned homicide no matter who is doing it, however Saudi Arabia or ISIS will execute for some pretty petty shit, the #1 rule in Saudi Arabia is don't criticize the 'House of Saud' on Saudi soil.

[ChosenUnWisely]

14. Their country their rules and frankly I really don't care WTF they do or don't do

I cannot vote, nor am I a citizen of SA. If the citizens of SA don't like how the country is being run then the citizens should implement change.

The citizens of SA seem A-OK with how their country is being run because the government lopping off heads has been happening for a very long time in SA. Besides nobody is making a rush for the boarders to get the F out of SA either.

As an individual US citizen, one can say what one wants, nobody really cares or is listening, one still kinda sorta has free speech protections so one is free to look like a hypocrite or silly and naïve or sarcastic or hateful or lie or tell the truth or use money for speech.

ISIS is not a nation or state so they just do what they want. I equate them to fundy Christians in America, thugs with the same mindset as ISIS.

[JonLP24]

16. Wait a minute, they aren't Democratically elected

The 'House of Saud' formed this sovereign state and enforced their strict interpretation with brutality. They have human trafficking & slavery issues & also there is an extreme income gap compared to their wealth & the overall population. Though they are capitalists so the opportunities exist that may not exist elsewhere for the population. The area around Najd is where most of the followers & believers of this dominant minority.

A lot of the citizens are dead, and they perform these executions in the public square as a frightening example to the rest of the population. The 'House of Saud' is among the worst of the worst when it comes to human rights violations but as far as being 'OK', they don't have the right to say things aren't OK. They also forbid contact outside the sexes unless related (which always baffled me in how they even found a mate), even looking at someone who is the opposite gender is prohibited. Same is true in Kuwait and maybe other Wahabbi states.

As far as your third paragraph, I have an extremely very low doubt anybody "higher up" will do anything at all based on what I say but the function of a message board, to express your opinion for free, I'm going to use it & and I'm not going to hold back on my judgment based on the available facts. When it comes to this, I don't give a damn how it looks to anyone else.

It is kinda interesting how you separate ISIS considering Saudi Arabia was taken over by a very similar group following the same doctrine & roughly the same idealogy that was very bloody (Wahabbi-Egypt war) & included a lot of beheadings. ISIS is doing very much the same thing the 'House of Saud' is. They have a Hisbah just like SA checking in and enforcing morality crimes, they whip for alcohol possession but execute for drug possession just like SA. ISIS is more ahead of rationalizing modern technology than SA in accomplishing the Wahabbi goals.

They are also financed in-part by wealthy "Angel" Arabian Peninsula investors.

As far as the US is concern, World War II fucked civilization up. It is easy to criticize Roosevelt and every President since for not telling the American people to ride or horse or take up Smedley Butler's suggestion of an order not to have our military no further than 200 ft(or similar distance) off the coast so any war the US fights would be one where the legitimately protected itself, instead the military was used a muscle for Saudi Arabia & the Wahabbi movement expansion. (the old movies which romanticized our Saudi allies). If I look silly so be it, I know things are so screwed up but we really need politicians that don't give a damn about elections & puts the right or moral decision ahead of political consequences but that is reality so here I am giving an opinion that doesn't matter.

H2o man and his plane that also works as a car analogy is coming into play. DU, if we combined our interests & activism could do so much more.

[ChosenUnWisely]

17. Bitching about SA on a message board accomplishes nothing

If one is interested in implementing change in SA one either has to join the US Military or become an insurgent in SA or become a peaceful activist in SA or become a mercenary and work for some rich person who is interested in implementing change in SA.

So what's the plan, bitch and whine about SA on a message board or actually do something about it?

[JonLP24]

18. I wish I could do something

I do take your suggestions seriously, joining the military--I already done that. I was stationed in Camp Arif Jan Kuwait (a few miles southeast of Kuwait City) had to follow their rules (no alcohol or pornography or looking at women that aren't related to me--this brung up an often asked question "what to do when a woman (noticeably not wearing a burka but a veil) asks you for a water bottle?"

Insurgent an SA, who would join me? Peaceful activist, I could try but I'll have my head chopped off like this Shia Cleric “It is not permitted to use weapons and spread corruption in society.” -- http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/16/saudi-arabia-prominent-shia-cleric-sentenced-death.

All this going on there saddens me a great deal, so does here so don't get me wrong. A concentrated poverty cycle, we lock up a third of the world's prison population. Executions & disparities in when they're used also racial disparities when it comes to stop, arrested, guilty verdicts, sentenced longer, etc. I can't even change that, I do bitch -- but it seems I can't change it. Not even when it comes to myself, I'm just a poor nobody. You're right, I accomplished nothing except posting relevant comments to the OP. Awareness maybe which I also bring up outside of here depending on the topic though people don't think about it nearly as much as I do. I could say TCNs, "Oh, just like Mexicans" rather than outrage. I gave up hope a long time ago.

I can't disagree with your logic, I guess my plan is bitch and whine on a message board but not only Saudi Arabia but what can I do everywhere? I also have lease & other commitments so I can't exactly drop everything & save a world that doesn't want to be saved.

More on the Saudi Shia Cleric issue

leric Sheik Nimr al-Nimr threatened to break away if Saudi authorities don't treat Shiites better. Followers of the sect make up 10 percent of the kingdom's population of 22.6 million and they have long complained of discrimination, saying they are barred from key positions in the military and government and are not given an equal share of the country's wealth.

"Our dignity has been pawned away, and if it is not ... restored, we will call for secession," al-Nimr said during Friday prayers last month. "Our dignity is more precious than the unity of this land."

Since that incendiary sermon, more than 35 people have been arrested in a government crackdown and al-Nimr has gone into hiding. Police have set up checkpoints on the roads leading into Awwamiya, one of the Shiite area's poorest towns.

<snip>

Secession is a taboo word in Saudi Arabia and a deeply sensitive issue for the government, not only because the Shiite region in the east is the center of the country's oil industry – but also because it lies close to other Shiite-majority nations like Iran, Bahrain and Iraq.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2009/apr/01/ml-saudi-shiites-040109/all/

[ChosenUnWisely]

19. Fought in the Corporate Oil Wars, eh, did you learn anything from your experience?

I also was in the military, many years ago, another time and place, different bad guys but pretty much the same story, did some stuff for this country that I am not proud of no I still can not talk about it, even today. However it fundamentally changed me and my outlook on the military, war, government, power and who is really an enemy and who really is your friend.

We all bitch and moan about shit we cannot control, that is the point of this place however sometimes we can and should take action.

The only ones who can change SA is the people of SA the only thing we can do is to petition our government to change the way it deals with SA.

As it stands now as long as the cheap oil flows SA could have daily public executions and nobody outside of SA will do jack about it.

"The spice must flow"

[JonLP24]

20. When you're right, you're right

That is all I have left to say on that.

[kcr]

21. Remaining silent guarantees that nothing is accomplished

If you don't care what goes on in other countries, the actual acts themselves, why do you care what gets posted on message boards?

[ChosenUnWisely]

22. Actually I don't, message boards are something to pass the time nothing more

good way to see how fucking nuts, uninformed and naïve people are.

Besides as long as the oil flows nobody in power really gives a shit if SA lops off heads in a public execution every hour of the day.

Our government and others have been turning a blind eye to what SA and other oil countries do to their citizens since oil was found there.

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. King Abdullahi

King Abdullah vs. Hugo Chavez

John Kerry on King Abdullah: "King Abdullah was a man of wisdom & vision."

John Kerry on Hugo Chavez: "Throughout his time in office, President Chavez has repeatedly undermined democratic institutions by using extra-legal means, including politically motivated incarcerations, to consolidate power."





NYT on Abdullah: "Nudged Saudi Arabia Forward" "earned a reputation as a cautious reformer" "a force of moderation

NYT on Chavez: "A Polarizing Figure Who Led a Movement" "strutting like the strongman in a caudillo novel

[Surya Gayatri]

11. How many western journalists does the HOUSE of SAUD have on their secret payroll?

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. Ask me again when they release the 911 28 pages

Or cane me for bloging