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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA little help please with some budget numbers...
Someone was trying to tell me that the largest part of the budget goes to welfare programs, not counting SS or Medicare, and that it even overshadows the defense budget. As his "source" he gave me a link to this Jeff Sessions talking point statement that has virtually NO actual data in it.
http://www.budget.senate.gov/republican/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=34919307-6286-47ab-b114-2fd5bcedfeb5
I've tried googling, but not sure where to find reliable information on how the budget is broken down item by item. The best thing I found was this: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_pie but it's not a gummint site, so hard to argue too strongly for it.
Any good sources for this type of info? Links please? Thanks!
elleng
(130,964 posts)'Health care' probably includes medicare and medicaid.
gmoney
(11,559 posts)Thanks though.
Sorry!
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)just mean afdc? or what, exactly?
if you know what programs he was talking about, you can get the total spending at Wikipedia I think and compare it to the total federal budget.
gmoney
(11,559 posts)Looking up each one and doing the math is a little daunting. A lot of them are health programs, and stuff I would not consider "welfare" but I guess technically would be government assistance, like Pell Grants.
A list of all 83 federal welfare programs examined by CRS follows:
Family Planning
Consolidated Health Centers
Transitional Cash and Medical Services for Refugees
State Childrens Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
Voluntary Medicare Prescription Drug BenefitLow-Income Subsidy
Medicaid
Ryan White HIV/AIDS Program
Breast/Cervical Cancer Early Detection
Maternal and Child Health Block Grant
Indian Health Service
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (cash aid)
Supplemental Security Income
Additional Child Tax Credit
Earned Income Tax Credit (refundable component)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)
School Breakfast Program (free/reduced price components)
National School Lunch Program (free/reduced price components)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC)
Child and Adult Care Food Program (lower income components)
Summer Food Service Program
Commodity Supplemental
Food Program Nutrition Assistance for Puerto Rico
The Emergency Food Assistance Program (TEFAP)
Nutrition Program for the Elderly
Indian Education
Adult Basic Education Grants to States
Federal Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant
Education for the Disadvantaged Grants to Local Educational Agencies (Title I-A)
Title I Migrant Education Program
Higher EducationInstitutional Aid and Developing Institutions
Federal Work-Study
Federal TRIO Programs
Federal Pell Grants
Education for Homeless Children and Youth
21st Century Community Learning Centers
Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs (GEARUP)
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Reading First and Early Reading First
Rural Education Achievement Program
Mathematics and Science Partnerships
Improving Teacher Quality State Grants
Academic Competitiveness and Smart Grant Program
Single-Family Rural Housing Loans
Rural Rental Assistance Program
Water and Waste Disposal for Rural Communities
Public Works and Economic Development
Supportive Housing for the Elderly
Supportive Housing for Persons with Disabilities
Section 8 Project-Based Rental Assistance
Community Development Block Grants
Homeless Assistance Grants
Home Investment Partnerships Program (HOME)
Housing Opportunities for Persons with AIDS (HOPWA)
Public Housing
Indian Housing Block Grants
Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers
Neighborhood Stabilization Program-1
Grants to States for Low-Income Housing in Lieu of Low-Income Housing Credit Allocations
Tax Credit Assistance Program
Indian Human Services
Older Americans Act Grants for Supportive Services and Senior Centers
Older Americans Act Family Caregiver Program
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (social services)
Child Support Enforcement
Community Services Block Grant
Child Care and Development Fund
Head Start HHS
Developmental Disabilities Support and Advocacy Grants
Foster Care
Adoption Assistance
Social Services Block Grant
Chafee Foster Care Independence Program
Emergency Food and Shelter Program
Legal Services Corporation
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) (employment and training component)
Community Service Employment for Older Americans
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Adult Activities
Workforce Investment Act (WIA) Youth Activities
Social Services and Targeted Assistance for Refugees
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) (employment and training)
Foster Grandparents
Job Corps
Weatherization Assistance Program
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)also welfare?
work study is welfare?
institutional aid to higher ed is welfare?
breast cancer early detection?
what the hell is CRS?
gmoney
(11,559 posts)I agree, public health and education really shouldn't be considered "welfare" even in the broadest terms.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)gmoney
(11,559 posts)Ranking Member Sessions and the minority staff of the Senate Budget Committee requested from the
nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) an overview of cumulative means-tested federal
welfare spending in the United States in the most recent year for which data is available (fiscal year 2011).
The results are staggering. CRS identified 83 overlapping federal welfare programs that together
represented the single largest budget item in 2011more than the nation spends on Social Security,
Medicare, or national defense. The total amount spent on these 80-plus federal welfare programs
amounts to roughly $1.03 trillion. Importantly, these figures solely refer to means-tested welfare benefits.
They exclude entitlement programs to which people contribute (e.g., Social Security and Medicare).
CRS estimates that exclusively federal spending on these federal programs equaled approximately $746
billion, and further emphasizes that there is a substantial amount of state spendingmostly required as a
condition of states participationon these same federal programs (primarily Medicaid and CHIP). Based
on data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and the Oxford Handbook of State and Local
Government Finance, Budget Committee staff calculated at least an additional $283 billion in state
contributions to those same federal programs, for a total annual expenditure of $1.03 trillion. By
comparison, in 2011, the annual budget expenditure for Social Security was $725 billion, Medicare was
$480 billion, and non-war defense was $540 billion.
The exclusively federal share of spending on these federal programs is up 32 percent since 2008, and now
comprises 21 percent of federal outlays (this share too is more than Social Security, Medicare, or defense).
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)by, say, 100,000,000-- roughly the lower third of the US population by income.
Lotta money per person, eh? You start to wonder where all of it is going, if this is true.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)I suspect the new contracts the family is getting since she got some political clout won't count, but they raked in enough to buy an entire bakery full of bread bags, and a really, really nice farm before that. It's just a cursory read, but damn...
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)gmoney
(11,559 posts)Surprised the Defense portion is "only" $626 Billion.
But yes, this is what I was looking for. I appreciate the link.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Note also that Homeland Security does not appear on the chart. Comparison with other analysis indicates it's not lumped into defense either. It's probably considered welfare by whoever put this misleading chart together.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)include "black box" spending, which is trillions of dollars outside of any official spending, but would generally be included under military.
Here's another way to think about the spending. In most states, the bulk of the spending is for education. In my opinion, that is as it should be. But the battles at the state level should be looked at, and compared to the federal levels.
JHB
(37,160 posts)Conservatives would throw out big scary numbers about how large a portion of the Federal budget went to entitlements (which includes SocSec and Medicare), then rail against "welfare" -- never mentioning that assistance/relief programs were always a small portion compared to the SolSec/Medicare portions. This left the audience with the impression that assistance programs were an enormous portions of the budget (and going to lazy, shiftless, you-know-whos-wink-wink) to fuel anti-government sentiment.
Hard to do that if you're honest with the numbers and people are left thinking "oh, it that all?"