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WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:19 PM Jan 2015

Twenty Pounds of BS in a Ten-Pound Bag



President Barack Obama delivers his State of the Union address, in the House Chamber of the
Capitol Building in Washington, Jan. 20, 2015.
(Doug Mills/The New York Times)


Twenty Pounds of BS in a Ten-Pound Bag
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Let me be perfectly clear from the jump: It was a fine speech, one of the best of President Obama's political career, which makes it automatically one of the best in the State of the Union's august history. The last fifteen minutes, in particular, were absolutely soaring, not just in rhetoric, but in the delivery as well. The man parked it as deep as it can be parked, like a majestic David Ortiz line drive deep into the bleachers at Fenway, thanks for coming, turn out the lights when you leave. No one does it better that Barack Obama when the bright lights are on.

...and when it was over, my immediate thought was of Steven the Irishman, the self-declared madman from the film Braveheart. Mel Gibson had just given his rousing speech to keep the Scots from fleeing before the battle at Stirling Bridge.

"Fine speech," said Steven. "Now what do we do?"

Indeed.

You see, apparently we've "turned the page" on the economic wasteland created by our Neo-Con/Neo-Liberal brain trust in Washington. The shadow of crisis has passed, and we're on a new foundation.

How many people do you know who actually feel that way?

Just about everyone I know is economically scared to death, and most of them are living paycheck to paycheck...and brothers and sisters, I know a whole hell of a lot of people, in all fifty states and most of the territories. I ain't Pew or Gallup, so take this with as many grains of salt you need to choke it down, but here's the hard truth: No pages have been turned, and the new foundation is just as porous as the old one...because it's the same old God damned foundation. Lather, rinse, repeat.

The President of the United States gave a speech on Tuesday night that would, in parts, have gone over like gangbusters at any Occupy rally in the country, and then he turned on a dime to brag about our massively impressive oil and gas production, i.e. fracking and maybe the Keystone XL pipeline, and then went on further to give an impassioned aria about climate change, at which point my brain crawled out of my ear and slithered into the bathroom, where it wept piteously into the cold porcelain truth of the base of the toilet.

The rest: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28649-twenty-pounds-of-bs-in-a-ten-pound-bag
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Twenty Pounds of BS in a Ten-Pound Bag (Original Post) WilliamPitt Jan 2015 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author GusBob Jan 2015 #1
I hope you get a good punctuation coach WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #3
... 2naSalit Jan 2015 #5
You cheer on a post chiding someone for not using proper punctuation? And now that poster uppityperson Jan 2015 #81
True, it's as if OP doesn't care about poverty or possible illiteracy. JaneyVee Jan 2015 #124
Thanks I am well aware I aint real bright GusBob Jan 2015 #8
You don't take offense easilly fadedrose Jan 2015 #54
Thanks for saying that GusBob Jan 2015 #56
You have courtesy and patience fadedrose Jan 2015 #58
His comment was rude and boorish. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #70
someone else here should be chided for improper writing LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #117
Chided, I like that word GusBob Jan 2015 #127
+ a million. Nicely said Number23 Jan 2015 #59
Well said. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #63
You - I like. Ignore the darts. 840high Jan 2015 #61
Oh, come on. One doesn't have to be "real bright" to show your readers where one sentence ends Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #62
I apologize GusBob Jan 2015 #65
heydon'tworryaboutitimeanifit'sreallythathardforyouiguessitwouldbewrongofanyonetoexpectyoutolearnto Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #67
I get it GusBob Jan 2015 #73
Well, I have no idea whether you are sincere of not, but if you are, then I'll say Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #79
What, pray tell does "sincere of not" mean? I can not figure out what you are trying to say? uppityperson Jan 2015 #85
Ouch mcar Jan 2015 #92
Ooops~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #94
sincere of not - writ by the professor of language dissing others LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #119
Congratulations. Your chiding got them to delete something you found unclear or difficult to uppityperson Jan 2015 #78
whateverdude. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #80
Indeed. And this one also tells us about you. uppityperson Jan 2015 #83
Your unbroken post makes it impossible to see who wrote what A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2015 #88
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #15
All day WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #16
So what if you are a former english teacher? That doesn't preclude you from manners. RadiationTherapy Jan 2015 #17
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #20
Are you saying English teachers right the write? BlueJazz Jan 2015 #28
He does have a point though. uppityperson Jan 2015 #21
I agree with this. bravenak Jan 2015 #27
+1 840high Jan 2015 #64
I've been a professional writer and editor for more than 40 years. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #49
Why point out that someone is replying in a condescending fashion? It's an internet forum where all Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #66
Why point out that someone is replying in a condescending fashion? Because it was unnecessarily rude uppityperson Jan 2015 #69
You're missing the point. You're pointing out something you think is rude. I'm pointing out Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #74
I am not asking you to delete your post mocking them. Not at all. uppityperson Jan 2015 #76
thatsawesome Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #82
I have trashed the awful post GusBob Jan 2015 #75
No need to delete that, it was easily understandable. What is awful on this thread is NOT uppityperson Jan 2015 #77
I thought Brady liked the soft balls snooper2 Jan 2015 #104
Your posts on punctuation show that you went to school, not that you were educated. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #109
zing LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #120
Boom! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #121
bam Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #141
I try. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #144
"man cave" appears to be two (unhyphenated) words foo_bar Jan 2015 #22
Hyphens are tough WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #24
yeah. I've really missed hyphens since I moved to Germany. foo_bar Jan 2015 #29
You owe me a new keyboard WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #32
I think it should be one word? GusBob Jan 2015 #35
I concede "workout" WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #37
Yes. AP Style concurs. It's "workout." One word. n/t RufusTFirefly Jan 2015 #52
A for effort. But, I'm pretty sure grammar, punctuation, etc. have become passe. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #23
Right? WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #26
Yes, you do! Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #34
The jury did. nt sheshe2 Jan 2015 #123
Excuse me professor for asking GusBob Jan 2015 #36
Yes. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2015 #72
"Workout" is not hyphenated. Nye Bevan Jan 2015 #33
Your reply was correct sulphurdunn Jan 2015 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author GusBob Jan 2015 #53
how utterly rude LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #118
Now that we're sharing writing tips ... betsuni Jan 2015 #139
Did anyone notice his wants were all dependent on Congress? Not one word about what HE Could Vincardog Jan 2015 #2
Why should he tell a hostile congess what he is going to do? sarge43 Jan 2015 #39
Congress isn't the only one who has sold out to the banksters Vincardog Jan 2015 #111
Who knew the Speaker of the House was narcoleptic? lpbk2713 Jan 2015 #4
Na that is his drunk look. abakan Jan 2015 #38
Well, he did put in a word for the TPP. His baby, it seems. Fuck the Dems who do not djean111 Jan 2015 #6
What do we do? We the little people living pay check to pay check, elderly on SS, Autumn Jan 2015 #7
So now we reject any candidate in the Democratic Party who does not support at the very minimum JDPriestly Jan 2015 #42
If you cannot win the political argument... kentuck Jan 2015 #9
Well, we got "Twenty Pounds of BS in a Ten-Pound Bag" William769 Jan 2015 #10
... greatauntoftriplets Jan 2015 #13
... sheshe2 Jan 2015 #43
I think it was in the bread bag.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #55
Thank you, William! Cha Jan 2015 #71
You took the words right out of my fingers. betsuni Jan 2015 #96
LOL! o yah! twenty stinking pounds of pieces of shit! LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #114
What do we do now? pa28 Jan 2015 #11
Amen. nt truebluegreen Jan 2015 #93
"serial apologist", "demonstrably phony" and the all time favorite "POS used car salesman" uppityperson Jan 2015 #12
You didn't make any WilliamPitt Jan 2015 #14
20 lbs of bullsit in a ten lb bag is called a blivot if I remember right. n/t brewens Jan 2015 #18
Spot on, Wil . . . markpkessinger Jan 2015 #19
I did the same... abakan Jan 2015 #40
Lots of truth there Will elias49 Jan 2015 #25
it was a strong, but standard political address bigtree Jan 2015 #30
The "Centrist" Democratic Party Leadership.... bvar22 Jan 2015 #31
Of course, Congress will not pass these bills. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #41
Oooopsie~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #45
... William769 Jan 2015 #46
You~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #48
Preach it, she! Number23 Jan 2015 #60
LOL! now I got to go find it. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #115
When I see the president put on his, "picket line walking shoes" and Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #47
Really? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #87
Maybe his marching shoes were totally worn out... Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #95
Yep, we live in a shameless propaganda state now. woo me with science Jan 2015 #98
I agree... Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #99
Indeed azureblue Jan 2015 #50
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #57
make it common knowledge stupidicus Jan 2015 #68
You're right maxrandb Jan 2015 #84
What do we do now? Well, we're expected to vote for another "Not as Bad" centrist. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #86
Wow, some whiner alerted this...... Logical Jan 2015 #89
Jury results neverforget Jan 2015 #90
jury results OP grasswire Jan 2015 #91
Yes, it's bullshit. It's B.S. Corporate Theater, a middle finger in the face of every American, woo me with science Jan 2015 #97
I read you loud and clear woo. Hubert Flottz Jan 2015 #100
+100000 "Placebo government," "sugarcoated bullshit," corporate propaganda. woo me with science Jan 2015 #101
I'm sorry, but what a bunch of horses#@t maxrandb Jan 2015 #107
what a load of steamy LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #116
4,534th version of the same post. Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #142
BS POS bathroom cold porcelain toilet -- what would Freud say. betsuni Jan 2015 #102
Kick for the morally bankrupt theater of corporate government. woo me with science Jan 2015 #103
K & R for closing the barn door after all the animals have left mrdmk Jan 2015 #105
Kick. Watch what they do, not what they say. woo me with science Jan 2015 #106
Kick for this column being 20 pounds of BS in a 10 pound bag... SidDithers Jan 2015 #108
And KICK for the people who keep kicking because this is the truthiest, most rivetingest thing EVA! Number23 Jan 2015 #110
Called it... joshcryer Jan 2015 #112
Yup you did... SidDithers Jan 2015 #113
I would give it more weight than that LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #122
You survived JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #125
gee, I wonder who alerted? LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #128
Oh dear JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #131
Juror #2 got it right, imho. nt Electric Monk Jan 2015 #135
10-pound GusBob Jan 2015 #126
but he kept in the hyperventilating. LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #129
I am sorry but I once again can not agree with you. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #130
*used-car* GusBob Jan 2015 #132
Thank you. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #133
Kicking again to expose the tactics of the Third Way, woo me with science Jan 2015 #134
I am not third way and all i did is tell him I did not like the post. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #136
kick woo me with science Jan 2015 #137
kick woo me with science Jan 2015 #138
Kick for the "piece of shit used car salesman" salesman!!...nt SidDithers Jan 2015 #140
kick for poopoo LawDeeDah Jan 2015 #143

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
3. I hope you get a good punctuation coach
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jan 2015

Soon.

Allow me to help.

"I thought you were talking about Tom Bradys presser Hope he has a good work out coach and a nice man cave because methinks he will be watching football next year"

...should be:

"I thought you were talking about Tom Brady's presser. Hope he has a good work-out coach and a nice man-cave, because methinks he will be watching football next year."

You're welcome.

P.S. Nice use of "methinks." It almost makes you sound like you can manage the language.

Almost.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
81. You cheer on a post chiding someone for not using proper punctuation? And now that poster
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jan 2015

has decided to delete it because of Will's and another's chiding? \

Amazing.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
124. True, it's as if OP doesn't care about poverty or possible illiteracy.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:59 PM
Jan 2015

That smug holier than thou liberalism.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
117. someone else here should be chided for improper writing
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jan 2015

and it shouldn't bother you that you haven't writ a boooook and be lordin' over the wrest of us with your perfections of communikations.
I respect you far more than...

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
62. Oh, come on. One doesn't have to be "real bright" to show your readers where one sentence ends
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jan 2015

and another begins. Capital letters and periods are quite basic. No professor necessary. My wonderful husband sucks at writing as well, but even he knows he can't expect his readers to put in all of the effort.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
67. heydon'tworryaboutitimeanifit'sreallythathardforyouiguessitwouldbewrongofanyonetoexpectyoutolearnto
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jan 2015

usesimplerulesofwritingtoshowenoughrespecttoyourreadersthatyoudon'tmakethemworktogetyourpoint.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
79. Well, I have no idea whether you are sincere of not, but if you are, then I'll say
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jan 2015

I wouldn't call it stupid. Just careless.

Some people will have no problem understanding your writing. But most will have to put in unnecessary effort to figure out what you are trying to say. Making it easier for those people does not make it harder for the others, so why not?

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
85. What, pray tell does "sincere of not" mean? I can not figure out what you are trying to say?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jan 2015

You should not be so careless when you write.

Do you mean "sincere for naught"? Or perhaps "sincere and not"?

To quote another DUer "But most will have to put in unnecessary effort to figure out what you are trying to say. Making it easier for those people does not make it harder for the others, so why not? "

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
78. Congratulations. Your chiding got them to delete something you found unclear or difficult to
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jan 2015

understand, even though the rest of us understood perfectly. Congratulations on being Right and causing pain.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
83. Indeed. And this one also tells us about you.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jan 2015

You posted something hurtful and say "whateverdude".

I am not a dude and you are no gentleman.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
88. Your unbroken post makes it impossible to see who wrote what
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:21 PM
Jan 2015

at least on my machine. Any chance of editing it, please?

Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
16. All day
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:08 PM
Jan 2015

and all night.

I'm a former English teacher. Correcting bad writing is in my DNA.

"You're a fucking asshole."

Hostile?

Heh.

Yeah, cuz that's not hostile.

P.S. I got your soft balls right here, chum.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
17. So what if you are a former english teacher? That doesn't preclude you from manners.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jan 2015

The poster comments light heartedly and you want to insult their grasp of the english language? Something that emerges from privilege and education in a nation that has the greatest income differential in history? That's what you want people to adhere so closely to that any topic mispronounced, spelled, or grammatically creative suddenly becomes about the proper, white, gentrified expression of english? Furthermore, the way that you did it was condescending and shitty. What purpose can that possibly serve?

Response to RadiationTherapy (Reply #17)

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
21. He does have a point though.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:19 PM
Jan 2015

While this post also has a point, it'd be nice if you'd not reply in a condescending fashion to the first reply of this thread. Why do so? It's an internet forum where all sorts of writing rules are thrown out.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,749 posts)
49. I've been a professional writer and editor for more than 40 years.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:48 PM
Jan 2015

That said, I don't point out other people's grammatical or spelling shortcomings in the context of DU unless I am asked for guidance.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
66. Why point out that someone is replying in a condescending fashion? It's an internet forum where all
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jan 2015

sorts of rules are thrown out.

I direct this point to not just you but all of those calling WilliamPitt rude. I find it rude for someone to post in a discussion and not even have the courtesy to use the most basic tools of writing to make his message clear to those who will read it.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
69. Why point out that someone is replying in a condescending fashion? Because it was unnecessarily rude
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jan 2015

I find it rude to condescend to someone who is posting on "an internet forum where all sorts of rules are thrown out. "

I found it very easy to understand what GusBob was saying and applaud him for his patience in dealing with rude replies.

Your last post seems rather unnecessary also. Here, in case you are wondering which I mean or decide to delete...

heydon'tworryaboutitimeanifit'sreallythathardforyouiguessitwouldbewrongofanyonetoexpectyoutolearnto

usesimplerulesofwritingtoshowenoughrespecttoyourreadersthatyoudon'tmakethemworktogetyourpoint.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
74. You're missing the point. You're pointing out something you think is rude. I'm pointing out
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:56 PM
Jan 2015

something I think is rude. You have no more right to do so than I.

Failure to use the most basic of writing conventions is rude.

And no, I see no reason to delete my example of why basic writing conventions are important, and why it's rude not to use them.

And I'm done discussing this with you. I agree to disagree with you.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
76. I am not asking you to delete your post mocking them. Not at all.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:00 PM
Jan 2015

Leaving it stand will show us more of who you are.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
75. I have trashed the awful post
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jan 2015

And apologize again for my rudeness and to others for posting an unclean message

I will be quiet if I caint be clear

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
77. No need to delete that, it was easily understandable. What is awful on this thread is NOT
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:02 PM
Jan 2015

your posts. I commend you for your continuing patience with those who have decided showing their superior use of language on an internet forum is more important than discussing the ideas put forth.

No need to be quiet and don't let them get to you.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
24. Hyphens are tough
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

I tend to default to their use in those kind of circumstances, but the NYT has a style guide that is the according-to-Hoyle judge...I just didn't give the requisite number of fucks to go look it up.

foo_bar

(4,193 posts)
29. yeah. I've really missed hyphens since I moved to Germany.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jan 2015

The doctor gave me one of these the other day:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsunf%C3%A4higkeitsbescheinigung

I tend to over-hyphenate myself, basically to prevent German from happening (I put "man cave" into Googlefish and it's one word, natch: "Manneshöhle".)

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
35. I think it should be one word?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jan 2015

"workout"

I can't find a reference to the phrase "man-cave"

Wiki and Urban dictionary have no hyphen

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
37. I concede "workout"
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jan 2015

"Man-cave" just looks right.

Like I said earlier, I'm a reflexive hyphen person.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
23. A for effort. But, I'm pretty sure grammar, punctuation, etc. have become passe.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jan 2015

I don't expect perfection. Certainly don't achieve it myself. But, oh the horrors I have witnessed on the web!

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
34. Yes, you do!
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jan 2015


Figuratively speaking. When I started teaching, we were told never to use a red pencil, due to acquired negative connotations. I have used a variety of colors, but usually a lovely shade of periwinkle.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
36. Excuse me professor for asking
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jan 2015

But in post 3 can the last word be used as a sentence?

"Almost."

Proper English people are always jumping my case I shrug it off

Shakespeare, whom they all should have studied, made up hundreds of words and phrases

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
44. Your reply was correct
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jan 2015

but a bit nasty methinks. I understand though. I'm any English teacher meself, boyo, and I am inclined to become a wee bit testy over writing mechanics when I've tipped a few and one too many. Should there be a comma after meself?

Response to sulphurdunn (Reply #44)

betsuni

(25,606 posts)
139. Now that we're sharing writing tips ...
Sat Jan 24, 2015, 09:06 AM
Jan 2015

you might want to watch the cliches. "Like gangbusters." "Take this with ... grains of salt." "Lather, rinse, repeat." "Gone over like gangbusters." "Turned on a dime." "A bridge too far."

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
2. Did anyone notice his wants were all dependent on Congress? Not one word about what HE Could
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:34 PM
Jan 2015

And Should do by Executive order?

1) Every company that receives a government contract has to immediately disclose any and all Political contributions even PACS.

2) Immediately begin prosecuting the Banksters and War Criminals.

sarge43

(28,942 posts)
39. Why should he tell a hostile congess what he is going to do?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:15 PM
Jan 2015

That's showing your hand in a poker game.

He outlined what could be done -- if congress weren't a collection of drama queens who have sold themselves to the highest bidder.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
6. Well, he did put in a word for the TPP. His baby, it seems. Fuck the Dems who do not
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:41 PM
Jan 2015

want it.
The speech was great for neener neenering to the GOP.
But I doubt it actually ACCOMPLISHES anything. So then we get on that tired old merry-go-round - well, the president can't just wave a magic wand. Yes, I agree - so why must I praise speeches?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
7. What do we do? We the little people living pay check to pay check, elderly on SS,
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:44 PM
Jan 2015

the young struggling with low wages and crushing debt just keep on getting what we are getting. Screwed. Now the one's we elected and the wealthy ? They keep on doing what their doing and that includes raising themselves up into the higher levels. Not screwed.
Really, now this pretty rhetoric we have wanted to hear for years comes out. NOW, when not a snowballs chance in hell anything gets done. Except the TPP and KXL. Did ya see what he did there? Cause you know what? Obama? He's a real smart guy.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
42. So now we reject any candidate in the Democratic Party who does not support at the very minimum
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:19 PM
Jan 2015

the good parts of Obama's proposal. Take out TPP. Take out the oil and gas and substitute solar and other alternative energy and you have a good platform for 2016.

Now we pick our candidate. Better be someone we can trust.

I trust Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
9. If you cannot win the political argument...
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jan 2015

..it makes no difference what your achievements might be. When you sit back, for whatever reasons, and let your opponents win the political arguments, then there is little your supporters can do to save you or your Party, in my humble opinion.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
11. What do we do now?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jan 2015

Insisting on new party leadership would be good place to start.

Listening to Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama extol the benefits of economic populism gives me a severe headache.

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
12. "serial apologist", "demonstrably phony" and the all time favorite "POS used car salesman"
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jan 2015

I rec your posts which do not include those sorts of personal insults. Yes, tell it like you feel it Will, but for those there will be no rec.

Now you can point out my punctuation or grammar errors.

 

elias49

(4,259 posts)
25. Lots of truth there Will
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

sad, isn't it?

And by the way, I loved this little bit:

"..at which point my brain crawled out of my ear and slithered into the bathroom, where it wept piteously into the cold porcelain truth of the base of the toilet."

Not many turn a phrase the way you do.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
30. it was a strong, but standard political address
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jan 2015

...which highlighted political goals which most of us realize may already be out of reach of this presidency.

As you wrote, many of our progressive concerns about the pipeline, oil production, economic justice, foreign policy and warring, and intelligence and privacy concerns cannot be assuaged by such a self-promoting legacy address which really didn't attempt to come anywhere close to acknowledging our progressive concerns; much less commit to pursuing them.

To me, that's par for politicians, like the President; not the stuff of revolutionary change; not likely to adequately confront the status quo in ways which will bring much of that progressive change we want to a level of action which will impact the lives of those of us who struggle to make ends meet.

My own overriding concern was the lack of acknowledgement of the ongoing protests against police brutality. That lack was highlighted by the news of the failure of the Justice Dept. to find cause to charge Darren Wilson. Understandable, given the law, I guess, but still a disappointment to realize that there's no real or visible pushback from the WH. So, it was, much as you described, pablum directed at, perhaps, those who have cause to be optimistic. I'm certainly not one of them.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
31. The "Centrist" Democratic Party Leadership....
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 07:41 PM
Jan 2015

...is happy to support any Liberal, Populist, or Progressive Issue,
provided it has no chance of passing.

It makes good Kabuki Theater,
Cheerleader fodder,
Campaign Video-Bytes,
and maintains the illusion that there is a chance for the Working Class.



You will know them by their WORKS.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
41. Of course, Congress will not pass these bills.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:16 PM
Jan 2015

But we Democrats have a platform to run on. And that platform was introduced during this State of the Union speech.
I disagree with the President on TPP and on the oil and gas exploitation in our country.

But, hey, he presented a lot of good ideas. We have an agenda to agree on and work on.

You are right that most Americans are still suffering. The proposals Obama made would spread the prosperity to those of us who are not in the 1% or the .01%.

We have to start somewhere, and Obama gave us a great roadmap toward spreading the prosperity.

So, great as you are WilliamPitt, I disagree with your take on the speech.

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)
45. Oooopsie~
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jan 2015

Locked out of your own thread. You sure came out swinging. So condescending and rude to that first poster. You are not better than anyone else Mr. Pitt, no matter what you believe.

 

LawDeeDah

(1,596 posts)
115. LOL! now I got to go find it.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:08 PM
Jan 2015


Justice is sometimes served.
I think the jury did some misunderstanding of who said what, which makes it an even Sweeter

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
47. When I see the president put on his, "picket line walking shoes" and
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:35 PM
Jan 2015

kick some GOPer ass, for real...I'll believe his message was something other than, just more well rehearsed blue dog based stage-craft.

The TPP is so top secret, that I doubt that the president even understands it. The TPP has that "New World" odor all over it and so do ALL those secretive traitors behind it. It's the union-buster's wet dream.

sheshe2

(83,875 posts)
87. Really?
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:11 PM
Jan 2015

So what are you doing?

Earlier when I came up with original “Why I’m voting or Obama” post, I saw this picture. Over the last few days, I’ve thought more about this picture, and what I think it says about him as a person. This is the same week that Sarah Palin’s $150,000 shopping spree came to light (and a week after umm.. anonymous sources said Michelle Obama ordered Caviar and Champagne at a high end NY hotel, which was false), but it’s not really about that. This is about someone with the ability to wear brand new shoes, but doesn’t see the need to spend the money. Right now this is what our country needs.

Ultimately, it came down to the fact I want to remember this picture. If you’ll read the blog, you’ll see one salient theme – it’s about stuff I care to remember.

This photo came from the same photo essay as earlier. You need to hit “show more images” a few times to get all the photos. It’s great work. The original caption was:

Senator Obama was doing press interviews by telephone in a holding room between events. Sometime later as he was getting ready to begin his event, he asked me if I was photographing his shoes. When I said yes, he told me that he had already had them resoled once since he entered the race a year earlier. Providence, R.I., 3/1/2008.



http://cainmanor.com/interesting/why-im-voting-for-obama-part-2/

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
95. Maybe his marching shoes were totally worn out...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 06:50 AM
Jan 2015

by the time the union pickets needed his support in Wisconsin?

About his shoes in your photo. I totally understand why he wanted to keep wearing his old shoes. My favorite shoes are always hard for me to finally let go of. Tee shirts too. I wore a pair of Clarks shoes for almost 15 years before they finally had an unfixable blow-out. I buried those shoes with honors, instead of sending them to the land fill. The first shoes I'd ever owned, besides work boots, that I paid $100.00 for.

America can't keep taking hits to our quality of life like the TPP deal, without finally declining into true third world status, IMHO.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
99. I agree...
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:59 AM
Jan 2015

They have a year to plan the next production, of the State Of The Union show.

Boner even has the studio tan 24/7.

azureblue

(2,150 posts)
50. Indeed
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

That is what Bill Pitt's article amounts to. 20 lbs of sheer blather and BS. Analyze what he says and you see there is nothing there but buzz words, oh so coy dismissives, sophomore attempts at clever writing, and not one effin fact at all. Re -reading it, I'd say it's closer to 22lbs of BS.

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
68. make it common knowledge
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 09:30 PM
Jan 2015

and better understood between now and the next selection.

"Why did he wait until now" is a question I've asked several times, and most recently regarding the emissions "agreement" he ironed out with the leader of China.

I think that a much better question where all of his exec actions are concerned, because what the opposition will or won't do never enters into it.

maxrandb

(15,349 posts)
84. You're right
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jan 2015

we should all ensure more Republicans get elected.

Has this president done ANYTHING that doesn't send you into a frenzy of picking nits?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
86. What do we do now? Well, we're expected to vote for another "Not as Bad" centrist.
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jan 2015

Who supports fracking, the TPP, and endless wars.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
89. Wow, some whiner alerted this......
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jan 2015

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90. Jury results
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grasswire

(50,130 posts)
91. jury results OP
Thu Jan 22, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jan 2015

Twenty Pounds of BS in a Ten-Pound Bag
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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
97. Yes, it's bullshit. It's B.S. Corporate Theater, a middle finger in the face of every American,
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jan 2015

while the Third Way and the Republicans laugh all the way to the bank.

This OP hit a deep nerve, as you can tell by the BOG swarm above working desperately to divert to any topic other than the actual content of the OP.

This corporate Trojan horse presidency is STILL systematically working to shove TPP down our throats and empower corporations to exploit millions more of us. The speech promised unprecedented corporate domination, more bloody war for profit, continued evisceration of our fundamental freedoms...all wrapped up in pretty progressive rhetoric that the president doesn't have to worry about fulfilling, because the DCCC "Accept Doom" midterm strategy worked, and corporate Republicans now have majorities. What a scam. What a perfect example of what corporate government give us: Shiny lies and advertisements designed to mask an agenda that is dismantling democracy itself.

Nothing is more important than exposing Third Way infiltration, predation, and lies in our party. Nothing is more important than making sure that Hillary or another Third Way corporatist in a Democrat suit is not shoved down our throats as the Democratic nominee in 2016.

This country cannot survive four more years of pretty progressive lies wrapped around a real agenda of TPP, endless war for profit, and police state dismantling of our Bill of Rights.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
100. I read you loud and clear woo.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 08:14 AM
Jan 2015

The torture never stops for the common taxpayer. Nor will it ever, under a right of center left.

That "New World" Odor, is the smell of democracy's rotting corpse. Just volume II of the old, thousand year Reich.

We the people, are submitting to the corporate propagandist's lies, like the unsuspecting little frogs in the pot of water placed over the corporate bloviating torch.(some of us)

The third way, is a placebo government at best. No real cures in sight. Only more sugarcoated bullshit, wrapped up in a shiny blue ribbon. Don't just believe me, look at your paycheck verses the cost of living, by way of our ever shrinking dollar. America's standard of living is headed down the drain, with these one sided trade deals pulling the plug.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
101. +100000 "Placebo government," "sugarcoated bullshit," corporate propaganda.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:06 AM
Jan 2015

Perfectly said.

That is *exactly* the rot we are fed. That is what they are spending our tax dollars on now: campaigns to manipulate us. A constant, lying charade.

We are witnessing first-hand the moral cesspool of corporate government, in which the democratic, moral imperative of representing human citizens has been replaced by the corporate goal of manipulating and duping consumers for profit.


maxrandb

(15,349 posts)
107. I'm sorry, but what a bunch of horses#@t
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jan 2015

Just look at the "effing" bills put forward by these asshatted tea-bagging dipshits in the first "effing" 30 minutes of the "new" repuke majority, and tell me there's no "effing" difference, and that the Dems are corporate whores, beholden to their religious fanatic "ass-pickles" as much as the Repukes are.

You know, if you and Will don't "effing" think this country is better off with Dems in control, or that they're no different that Repukes, then what the "eff" are you doing on Democratic Underground?

Go "effing" start your own site like "3RD Party Underground", or "Political Fantasy World Underground"...and please take the "dozens of people around the country" who agree with you with you.

Suppress your own "effing" votes, but please leave us the "eff" alone. Some of us are trying to stop the Repukes destruction of the country by working to get Dems elected.

Sorry if some of those Dems don't meet your litmus tests, but I'll take a thousand Mary Landreau's over one fucking Ted Cruz or Joni Ernst any day and twice on Sunday..

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
103. Kick for the morally bankrupt theater of corporate government.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jan 2015

This is the moral cesspool of corporate government, where relentlessly staged BS advertising replaces honest democratic representation.

Pretty populist words, masking the same, predatory corporate agenda of TPP, endless war for profit, and police state.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
110. And KICK for the people who keep kicking because this is the truthiest, most rivetingest thing EVA!
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jan 2015

And this OP is the only thing between us and the THRID WAY!1!

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(31,869 posts)
125. You survived
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:27 PM
Jan 2015


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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
130. I am sorry but I once again can not agree with you.
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jan 2015

You have the right to your views but imo you are too down on our president. I did not care for it when our President was called a used-car salesman, and I don't care for this.




GusBob

(7,286 posts)
132. *used-car*
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jan 2015

You left off the hyphen

ETA. Which I reckon is inproper punctuation but the guy Is a reflexing hypenator

Makes up his own rules. Like the Patriots

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
134. Kicking again to expose the tactics of the Third Way,
Fri Jan 23, 2015, 10:22 PM
Jan 2015

not only the manipulative dishonesty of speeches like the SOTU address, but also the now wholly predictable swarms of vitriol from the corporate talking points brigade whenever the actual record and policies of Third Way politicians are compared to their manipulative rhetoric.

What we see is illustrative of corporate government. Advertising and propaganda have replaced democratic representation of the people. Corporations don't represent anyone. They grow their own power. And they use manipulation, advertisements, and propaganda to do it. That's why our politics are now full of lies. Demonstrable lies.

Just this month, we got Cronybus and a new "war room" for the TPP from our corporate Democratic president. A continuation of a now-familiar pattern of six long years of vicious corporate betrayals in every single major policy area. Yet we are *still* hectored to celebrate a speech that tries to veil these mammoth, malignant, concrete betrayals with pretty populist hypotheticals the DCCC midterm campaign of "Accept Doom" has already carefully ensured can never materialize.

It's a familiar, ugly, manipulative song. It's a script we know by heart by now. Pretty words, denying the ongoing, undeniable, savage betrayals. All of the most malignant policies of the Bush administration have been aggressively protected and expanded, and now we look down the barrel of MORE deregulation of criminal banks and MORE predatory, antidemocratic "free trade" agreements that will further impoverish Americans and prevent us from using our own democratic institutions to protect ourselves from corporate predation.

The Third Way is a menace. Its purchased politicians are systematically dismantling democracy itself while smiling and pretending to be our democratic representatives.

But the policies speak for themselves. They can't be denied. At a certain point, "2+2=5" just doesn't fly anymore.

Nothing is more important than being truthful about the corporate-bankrolled infiltration of our party by corporate liars and thieves. Nothing.

We need real change, not the fake "Hope and Change" kind.

It's time.


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