Chris Kyle claimed to have summarily executed dozens of Americans. Why celebrate him?

[Cali_Democrat]

We have reached the point where a self-admitted mass murderer of Americans is celebrated as a hero by the media and the right wing noise machine.

FUCK Chris Kyle

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

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Years after those alleged killings, Kyle had another story to tell. This one referred to the vacuum of authority in New Orleans following Katrina, when the city slipped into chaos. According to the New Yorker and several military publications, Kyle and a few other SEALs drank late in San Diego late one night in early 2012. “The SEALs began telling stories, and Kyle offered a shocking one,” the New Yorker reported. “…He and another sniper traveled to New Orleans, set up on top of the Superdome, and proceed to shoot dozens of armed residents who were contributing to the chaos.” The magazine said one conversation participant said Kyle “claimed to have shot thirty men on his own,”

[99th_Monkey]

1. But, but ... Kyle is a "good" terrorist

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

2. First of all, if true, he has no idea who he was shooting, and until there is a trial

for each one, they are all as INNOCENT as a 2 day old infant.


Jesus fucking christ, we are celebrating this guy?

And anyone wonders why most of the rest of the planet distrusts us so much?

[R B Garr]

3. I find it rather ironic he was killed at a shooting range

in Texas by another veteran of all things. Weird.

[Tom Ripley]

10. I think it was indicative of how deeply he was immersed in gun culture

He did not have the perspective to think that perhaps a shooting range wasn't the best setting for a little PTSD therapy.

[R B Garr]

42. Good points! I was thinking in terms of his swag.

He obviously was full of himself and had all these worldly credentials and experience, yet some average Joe homeboy does him in because of his own stupidity.

Great points about the gun culture from you and others, as well! I don't deal with gun nuts in real life and can't imagine having to deal with someone who has firearms in the house or around them all the time, especially after hearing these type stories.

[Tom Ripley]

46. I agree with you. His swag was a result of his seeming inability to adopt another perspective

However, I imagine that empathy would have been a liability to his killing career

[Capt. Obvious]

18. Ickey agrees

[JackRiddler]

33. I find it rather predictable. Or something in the vein.

He was trying to help the guy get through PTSD, so he took him to a gun range. You know the "Darwin Awards"?

[Erose999]

39. I find it not at all ironic. He lived like a gun nut and he died like a gun nut.

[arthritisR_US]

48. Ah, Karma..

[phil89]

4. He was a sick individual

Who added nothing but misery and death to the world. Glad he won't be setting up his gun on anymore rooftops.

[phil89]

9. If you think

An admitted murderer isn't sick, Im not interested in your opinion. Unbelievable.

[arcane1]

11. Bragging about killing civilians is pretty damned sick if you ask me.

But that's just me

[we can do it]

13. He was fucking disgusting killer.

[Tom Ripley]

15. I find it rather charitable to refer to him as "sick"

Or do you find his claims of Katrina killings to be the products of a healthy individual?

[Heidi]

17. If progressives' opinions are so repugnant to you,

maybe DU isn't the right place for you. Perhaps there are other communities where you'd feel less sickened. Good luck!

[whatchamacallit]

28. How are you still here?

[Starry Messenger]

31. Oh do!

[tenderfoot]

41. People who brag about killing their fellow citizens during Katrina are sick individuals.

In other words, your kind of guy.

[arthritisR_US]

49. He was sick. Unless you consider taking the life of another because

you see yourself as so fecking superior and your judgement equal to "god's", well in that case he was a bloody stand up bloke.

[RandiFan1290]

52. I've read your opinions

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You are right! They are NOT worth posting.





ETA: Awww had to deeweet? Getting a little hot?

[HughBeaumont]

5. I'm reminded of "True Lies" . . . .

"Did you kill anybody?"
"Yes, but they were all bad."

It's like someone said on another thread that no one seems to get about him:

He either lied about killing people after Katrina, or worse yet, told the truth about it.

[JackRiddler]

34. Lied or hallucinated.

In the latter case, "sick" fits even better.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. Is there any evidence to support his claim? Were there bodies found that had gun shot wounds that

would verify his story? I realize that things were pretty disorganized at that time, but surely that many gunshot victims in one area would have raised a few eyebrows. I'm not sure if I believe this and I certainly don't condone it if it happened as he said. It truly sounds as if he exhibited the earmarks of a sociopath.

[benz380]

12. I found this on Wiki

The confirmed death toll is 1,836, with one fatality in Kentucky, two each in Alabama, Georgia, and Ohio, 14 in Florida, 238 in Mississippi, and 1,577 in Louisiana.[34][35] However, 135 people remain categorized as missing in Louisiana,[35] and many of the deaths are indirect, but it is almost impossible to determine the exact cause of some of the fatalities.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina

[jeff47]

24. Shot with a high-powered rifle is pretty obvious cause of death.

It would be really, really, really hard to believe that every single one of the people he shot were "impossible to determine".

[benz380]

38. I'm not saying he committed any murders in NO

but there are about 135 bodies missing and he could have used a Navy Seal super duper disintergrator gun.

[JackRiddler]

35. The interesting thing is...

Either way he's a fucking insane murder-minded maniac, no?

[sir pball]

47. If he did it, they'd be in his log book.

If he actually did it and was willing to brag about it in a novel, he'd certainly have kept professional track of them. I'm kind of surprised no authorities took an interest in his log after he claimed murders..

[Arkansas Granny]

53. Another thing occurs to me, did he go down there on his own

or was he sent to do that particular assignment? If he was sent, who sent him and what, exactly, were his orders?

[Fred Sanders]

8. Anyone capable of mass assassination and then even falsely bragging about it is beyond creepy.

Although the evidence of him saying this all hearsay as far as I know.

[Arkansas Granny]

14. I can't argue with that.

[Lurks Often]

16. I have a hard time believing that story

He's on top of the Superdome, which had more then 20,000 people sheltering in it and no one heard the sound of rifle fire from above?

We'll suppose he used a suppressed rifle, but no one noticed all those people with rifle shots in the head or torso? None of the relatives questioned why the alleged people were dead?

Sorry, not buying the story, I'm more inclined to think they were fucking with the reporter to see if they would publish something so unlikely without doing some basic fact checking.


On edit: I have neither read the book or seen the movie. It's simply that the story triggers my BS meter and sounds like conspiracy theory nonsense.

[dumbcat]

22. My thought also

I find it very hard to believe, knowing a bit about precision rifles and sniping.

I did read about half of the book. Very unusual for me, I couldn't finish it. I am pretty pro military, having spent a 40 year career with the Army, but from the reading I did, I really didn't like the guy, his outlook, or the way he told his story.

[Saucepan of Kerbango]

19. So he was a bullshitter

who cares about his bullshit? Plenty of Marines walking around that wouldn't have been otherwise, if not for his skills in combat.

[LanternWaste]

21. You know it was bullshit, eh?

You know it was bullshit, eh? Or (and I find this more likely), you're merely hoping it's untrue so as not to invalidate your bias...

[delta17]

32. Is there any evidence this actually happened?

As of now, it is just hearsay. Most drinking stories are 95% bullshit, this seems like no exception. I can't imagine he killed 30 people in a crowded place and no one found out until now.

[Saucepan of Kerbango]

54. Yah

Because there's a metric shit-ton of evidence that he actually shot people during Katrina. Who's bias is showing now?

[Demit]

27. Nobody is deriding his skills. But not all trained killers are heroes.

And I would hope—hope!—that not all the killers trained by US military take pleasure in killing.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

29. If he bullshits about killing people during Katrina....

...what makes you think his claims about all his "kills" in Iraq are 100%? IIRC, there's never been a confirmation from the military as to the amount of targets he actually took out.

And the fact that someone would cavalierly make up bullshit about killing human beings, whether in New Orleans or Iraq, should raise questions about that person's mental fitness and whether we want to elevate the guy into an American hero.

[JackRiddler]

36. Bullshit?

"I decided to get on top of the Superdome and then shot thirty people dead" is a lot bigger than bullshit.

It says he thinks this fantasy, or hallucination, would have been a legit thing to do.

The hero!

[alarimer]

57. We only have his word that he did anything of the sort.

And we know statistics get inflated in the military.

[Stephen Retired]

20. I agree

He also claimed to have shot a couple of carjackers in Texas.

[progressoid]

23. Sounds like a BS drunken tale to me.

But it also exemplifies the "ain't killin' people great!" ethos surrounding him. And that he's a liar.

[Archae]

25. Kyle lied about many things.

He lied about Jesse Ventura, to the point where Ventura successfully showed he lied and won over a million dollars.

Kyle claims to have been on top of the Superdome picking people off?
Smells like absolute bullshit to me.

Ah, he told the story to drinking buddies.
Now it looks even more like bullshit.

[Mnpaul]

43. I dumped that fact on the resident wingnut

at work today. He was bragging up the movie and I pointed out that he outright lied to smear a vet. He came back with a silly magazine article that used the same reasoning as Kyle's attorneys "11 soldiers testified for him, he must be telling the truth."

Jesse's attorneys blew them out of the water by mapping their their locations on a large diagram along with their inconsistent statements. Some weren't even in a position to see said event, Kyle himself told two different accounts. One happened at the bar and one on the patio. His witnesses were unsure where the event happened as well.

The lady sitting next to Jesse at the bar saw none of it and recalls Jesse telling a different story with Jesse praising the soldiers but taking a shot at Bush. The owner of the bar did not see the claimed event either. Jesse showed no injuries despite the fact he was taking blood thinners and would have bruised easily.

[tularetom]

26. Nah, it's bullshit

Although claiming to have shot thirty American citizens when you didn't do so, says an awful lot about what kind of low life piece of shit you are.

It also says a lot about the people who he thought he was impressing with his bullshit.

[whatchamacallit]

30. A misguided attempt to give our murderous bumblefuck war

a human, heroic face. Epic fail.

[NuclearDem]

37. He lied about something?!

[arthritisR_US]

51. If his lips were moving, ya he was telling another lie. nt

[beam me up scottie]

40. Stop demonizing him, he's a hero!

Rec'd to remind everyone what website they're on.

[Beaverhausen]

44. Have you seen the film?

[malaise]

45. Tut tut

He only killed black people - that's heroic indeed

[arthritisR_US]

50. Don't forget those inhuman's in the ME. nt

[malaise]

55. +1,000

in their own 'homeland' no less.

[arthritisR_US]

58. And people actually want to hero worship him

[alarimer]

56. He was a fabulist.

He was lying about all of that, about the carjackers, about Katrina.

I think he probably lied about his Iraq service. I bet a lot of that was false as well.

No reason to celebrate him, but he did NOT do most of what he claimed to have done, certainly once he returned. The rest is unverifiable and might as well be lies too.

[killbotfactory]

59. uhhh.. don't you think some would notice snipers shooting people from the Superdome? nt

[Cali_Democrat]

60. So Chris Kyle is a filthy liar? nt