Your God Sucks, So Shut Up.

[kpete]

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[merrily]

1. I am slightly less worried about cartoons recruiting terrorists than I am about bullets and bombs

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and drones recruiting terrorists.

I am "slightly" more worried about "chilling" speech than I am about "chilling" shooting.

I believe that hurt feelings to the degree of feeling justified to kill cartoonists are not all the fault of the cartoons, even if they were as tasteless, offensive, not funny, etc., as people claim.

I believe that hurt feelings from cartoons cannot compare to the hurt of having a loved one who was a cartoonist murdered

And, because victim and blaming and shaming has a long and awful history, I am not especially fond of mocking it.


And, unless "Shut up in the name of free speech" is accompanied by bullets, that statement itself is also free speech, just as the cartoons were and just as non-violent complaints about the cartoons are.

I also believe to everything there is a season and maybe some discussions are not so urgent that they have to begin the day people are shot (though I know this particular cartoon was not part of that).

If any or all this makes me a bad person in your eyes, I don't think I value your opinion about me very much, but you are certainly free to say it, including via cartoons.

ETA: all references to "you" are generic and in no way aimed at any individual, most especially not to kpete, whose willingness to keep posting so faithfully I value greatly. (It's a lot of work!)

[snooper2]

4. It's the fundies...

42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60

[merrily]

9. Nothing like those percentages of Muslims are acting on what they are supposedly saying to pollsters

Talk is cheap--and this is one of the contexts in which I am grateful that talk is cheap.

Only a very small percentage of 1.7 billion muslims, give or take, are acting.

[FSogol]

2. "Shut up in the name of free speech!"

Total classic!

[pipi_k]

3. I noticed

that one too.


Free speech. It's only cool when it's speech some people agree with.

[Bluenorthwest]

5. And yet, when Rick Warren openly denigrated and insulted LGBT people what did most here do?

Why they defended the honoring of Warren, who had just called all gay people pedophiles and other horrible things, many awful accusations. Did they say they would understand if LGBT people had a strong reaction because it is always so wrong to denigrate and insult people? No, they said LGBT people should shut up and stop the poutrage, that we just wanted a pink pony.

If people in my Party claim to oppose all insult, yet they allow insult toward me, what can I conclude from that? If a person says that if a 'person of faith' feels insulted they are allowed to react violently, but also says that people of faith should be honored right after they insult LGBT people, what could that mean?
People who did not object vehemently to Rick Warren in our Party who now ask that criticism of religion be limited so religion does not endure insult are horrible hypocrites without a shred of intellectual honesty about them. People who defended Warren or criticized LGBT people objecting to him who now speak understandingly of murderers are worse than that.

[merrily]

11. A PINK pony? That was the DU response to gays on Rick Warren?

I am so very sorry you had to see anything like that. I don't know what else to say.

A lot of us have been subjected to the pony and poutrage stuff, but that is general stuff about political differences and nowhere near the same universe as that kind of targeted attack.

I did not see the pink pony comments, but I can take them only one way as response to complaints about Rick Warren.

I am so sorry.

[MellowDem]

6. If you think those cartoons are offensive...

Much less Islamophobic, so what? Do you have a good reason to think so?

I think Islam is an explicitly hateful, bigoted religion. I think the cartoons were pretty mild, I think Islam needs to be criticized, and I think it is the privilege of religion that makes it so tough for people to understand that.

[FLPanhandle]

7. Frankly, who cares if the cartoons offend Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc.

Free Speech isn't about not offending someone.

If a cartoon helps recruit terrorists, then you need to blame the culture that responds to cartoons with violence.

[isobar]

8. This^^^^^^^^^

[Pooka Fey]

10. That's a cartoon. This is France. "Imagine" video

American press can spin recent events to provoke outrage to increase profits. That's their right in a free society, as long as they don't cross the line into defamation, like Fox News.

Nevertheless, between 1.5 and 4 Million French showed up on Sunday Jan 11th for the Marche Républicaine, to show the world, and ISIL, that France is a nation united, not an agglomeration of communities that can be turned against each other.

[Gothmog]

12. Great cartoon

[melman]

13. 'will help terrorist recruitment'

I can't believe someone would even write something like that. Pathetic!