Green Bay Packers got robbed imo

[Garion_55]

each team should get a chance to score during overtime. packers werent given that opportunity.

lame.

[Aerows]

1. Messed up.

I watched it. Bleh.

[PNW_Dem]

29. The city of Jimmy Hendrix defeats the town of Scott Walker and the John Birch Society.

The city of Jimmy Hendrix defeats the town of Scott Walker and the John Birch Society.

[Aerows]

38. Oh please.

Green Bay just didn't play up to their usual standards. Nothing more to be made out of the rivalry and the disappointment when a team loses.

I'm a Saints fan, actually.

[MFM008]

133. are you kidding

They were hammering us and we came back. period. Screw the gov. of Wisconsin, obviously the people owing the team great idea...people voting that moron back in tough tits.

[Aerows]

144. It's football

This is what I meant by don't make it more than anybody said, my dear.

[bahrbearian]

145. Did you even watch the game, Green Bay played great,their best game till the end.

[Aerows]

148. I did indeed

and they lost.

I wish they would not have lost, but they did.

[bahrbearian]

151. "Green Bay just didn't play up to their usual standards. "

I know you shouldn't comment on football games. They out played and Out Coached Seattle.

[Aerows]

152. Who won and who lost?

That is the answer to that question.

GB *should* have won. But didn't. Pick a party that is responsible.

[bahrbearian]

154. We know who won and who lost!

But you should not comment on Foot Ball

[Aerows]

156. Who should? n/t

[Salviati]

51. Or alternatively, the billionaires team beat the team that belongs to the people...

[liberal_at_heart]

66. Our football team may not belong to the people but Seattle is a very progressive city. In fact,

Seattle now has its very first socialist City Councilwoman. I have nothing against Green Bay or their football team. They played great today. They certainly played more consistently than we did, but we came back and just like in any competition it is the final score that dictates the outcome of the game, not the consistency of the playing.

[Aerows]

70. Just football

no need to turn it into something it isn't.

[liberal_at_heart]

77. why? Because it counterbalances your point? We are proud of our progressiveness in this city, just

as we are proud of our football team. They don't call us the 12th man for nothing. The fans love this team, and the team loves the fans.

[Aerows]

84. Seattle played a fantastic game

Green Bay didn't, and lost. My team played like crap this year, the Saints, so you have to pick and choose who you want to head to the Super Bowl. I would have preferred that the Seahawks lost, but that is okay with me.

Go Patriots

[bahrbearian]

147. Did you even watch the game, Green Bay played great, Wilson 4 interecptions.

[Aerows]

150. I did

I'm a Saints fan (check my profile). I wanted Green Bay to win, but there were a lot of missed chances.

That's all I have to say about it.

[bahrbearian]

153. "Seattle played a fantastic game" ?

[Aerows]

155. I said it before

Pick a party that is responsible for Green Bay losing.

The Coach.

The Fans.

The Referees.

The Players.

The Rules.

I hate that they lost.

[bahrbearian]

158. like I said you shouldn't comment on things you don't understand.

Things like
"Green Bay just didn't play up to their usual standards. "
"Seattle played a fantastic game"
Those show you didn't watch the game or don't understand it.

[AgingAmerican]

201. Seattle did play a fantastic game

...in the last quarter. Green Bay made the same mistake that many teams do against Seattle. They tried to run out the clock.....tisk tisk tist...

[bahrbearian]

222. Seattle is a 4th quarter team

They wear em out , then take em out in the 4th. Watch for this type of game in the Super Bowl. Got to hand it to the Green Bays coach though, they contained Wilson and kept up the coverage at the same time.

[liberal_at_heart]

159. Aerows, this person is obviously just trying to bait you. Just stop responding to them.

[TBF]

251. You call 4 interceptions a terrific game?

Have you ever watched a football game before? Green Bay blew it and handed it to them a silver platter.

[Evergreen Emerald]

260. check the stats--Seattle played better than you think

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=400749519

Team Stats comparison
GB SEA
1st Downs 19 20
Passing 1st downs 11 10
Rushing 1st downs 6 10
1st downs from penalties 2 0
3rd down efficiency 3-14 8-16
4th down efficiency 0-0 1-1
Total Plays 65 70
Total Yards 306 397
Yards per play 4.7 5.7
Total Drives 13 16
Passing 171 203
Comp-Att 19-34 15-30
Yards per pass 4.9 5.8
Interceptions thrown 2 4
Sacks-Yards Lost 1-7 5-25
Rushing 135 194
Rushing Attempts 30 35
Yards per rush 4.5 5.5
Red Zone (Made-Att) 1-3 2-3
Penalties 5-45 8-40
Turnovers 2 5
Fumbles lost 0 1
Interceptions thrown 2 4
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 0 0
Possession 32:15 31:04

[MFM008]

136. HEY

YOU MAD BROS?

[freeplessinseattle]

93. meditation & yoga is one of the things that may give our 'hawks an edge:)

Super cheap to do, too

[eridani]

162. I always root for Green Bay when they aren't playing Seattle

Just because of that community ownership thing. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) used to regularly drop the "Give Fans a Chance" act which would have allowed first rights of purchase to communities if their teams were put up for sale. It went nowhere, and he eventually gave up. Too bad.

[Borchkins]

254. I always root for Seattle when I'm not rooting for Green Bay.

Russell Wilson is a Badger!
B

[Aerows]

69. Exactly. n/t

[MohRokTah]

74. As a Bears fan, I'm just glad Greenbay is out of it.

[AngryAmish]

110. Bears destroyed my soul this year. Watching this helps.

I hope someone makes a podcast out od the radio call in post game show in Green Bay. To listen to drunk, broken man after drunk, broken man is good for anyone's soul.

[CTyankee]

82. my husband is a proud "shareholder" of the Packers...he's such a believer...

and he's devastated tonight...

[Aerows]

86. Patriots will hold the line

I believe in them.

[CTyankee]

89. I hope we have that if nothing else...it might make him happy...

if GB had won he would have rooted for them but now it will be the Patriots...

[Aerows]

98. I honestly believe

this is another year for the Patriots.

They have been strong, and Brady wants to go out with a bang.

[AgingAmerican]

202. Seattle will dare Brady to throw at them

They will pass rush him relentlessly, and make anyone who catches short passes across the middle pay the price.

[Drahthaardogs]

92. Score shoudl have been 28-0 at halftime

They blew it all by themselves

[Aerows]

101. Too true.

They blew it just like the Saints did.

[liberal_at_heart]

102. Yes, Seattle defense had a lot to do with that.

Our offensive line could be stronger, but our defense is one of the best in the league.

[Aerows]

104. It's true.

The Saints blew it this year because they lacked a good receiving game. Jimmy Graham is one of the best, but he was hurt half of the season.

[Drahthaardogs]

107. Oh bullshit

Seattle got lucky. They played a miserable game and were lucky Rogers was hobbled. I am not a fan of either team, but I played college ball. I know what the hell I am watching. Seattle's defense did not play great at all in the first half. I also have no idea why the last two drives Clay Mathews was sitting on the sidelines. Sometimes (most of the time) I wonder if the NFL is not as fake as WWE. Today watching Mathews on the sideline while Seattle catches up and then scores kind of re-affirmed by disbelief.

[truebrit71]

116. About that whole WWE fake thing....

I must admit as I watched almost all of the calls appear to go in green bays favor, see the Seahawks shut out at home in the first half for the first time in ages, and then come back to win by six when the line just happened to be seven, that I was watching something that wasn't 100% on the up and up....

All week long everyone KNEW the Packers were going to get destroyed by Seattle, but come game day for some reason Seattle couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag until four minutes from the end of regulation....but they still couldn't beat the spread....I find that to be very interesting...

[liberal_at_heart]

125. Are you kidding? Seattle is notorious for playing kind of lax in the first half and then playing

fantastic in the second half. Our offensive line isn't all that great, so our offense often struggles in the first half. Our defense has to carry the game until the offense gets in their groove. And no we Seattle fans did not expect to destroy Green Bay. They are one of the best teams in the league and they proved how well they play today. Even the Seattle players were saying they were not underestimating Rogers just because he had a hurt calf muscle.

[liberal_at_heart]

123. You can think whatever you want to think. Seattle defense is considered to be one of the best in the

league, and they kept Green Bay to three field goals and a touchdown in the first half instead of four touchdowns. That's pretty damn good. Could they have been better? Of course. They could have prevented Green Bay from getting first downs in the first place, but considering how bad of a start our offense was off to the defense were great. Considering how badly our offense was doing in the first half, the score could have been much worse.

[pangaia]

115. EGGSactly! At LEAST.... at LEAST 20-0.

I knew in the second quarter the game was lost. Pack had 1 TD and 3 FG'd.. Hawks were not themselves and THAT was not going to last.. Then ANOTHER FG! Kripes !!

If just one of those 5 freakin' FG's were a TD,, lights out and Pack to the Super Bowl..

[pokerfan]

182. Yep

Packer red-zone problems had zero to do with the Seahawk defense.

[PNW_Dem]

183. "The people" of the John Birch Society. Ugh.

I take Paul Allen's ownership any day over that.

[former9thward]

67. The John Birch Society was founded in Indianapolis.

Its offices were based in Belmont, Massachusetts and it is now headquartered in Appleton, Wisconsin. Nice try at a smear though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

[AngryAmish]

112. Harry Houdini was from Appleton, WI

Gorgeous town.

[Dr. Strange]

2. I wouldn't mind seeing a change like that to the overtime rules.

But this was a total choke job by the Packers.

[Aerows]

28. Which makes it worse! n/t

[rufus dog]

3. How about they catch an onside kick

Or cut in front on a player on a floated two point conversion.
Or score from the half yard line

There are a lot of things to bitch about, but claiming they were robbed is not one of them.

[Garion_55]

5. sorry but i dont like the overtime rules

each team gets a chance if no one scores right? ok. one team scores a field goal other team gets a shot? no problem? one team gets a touchdown and the games over? wtf? no thanks.

college is better

[rufus dog]

57. Different argument

A rule change is one thing. But Green Bay was not robbed. The did not make any key plays in the last five minutes and Seattle made many. To top it off Green Bay failed to make two plays when they should have, thus providing Seattle with the opportunity to win.

Robbed is not the word I would use to describe what happened, it would be "choked!"

[Garion_55]

179. they choked the regular game no doubt

but overtime the game is reset 0-0.

green bay was robbed of a chance for their offense to go down and try to tie the game. a playoff game shouldnt end with one team getting a chance to score and the other not. thats just not a cool way to end it.

[riqster]

81. Both teams knew the rules going in.

[pangaia]

119. Absolutely..

Pack blew it in the first half when they had the chance to put it away.

[zappaman]

4. No they weren't.

They blew a couple of big plays at the end.
What a collapse...

[beam me up scottie]

6. Ah, dude...

I wasn't finished watching it yet.

Way to spoil it for me.

[Ed Suspicious]

7. It really is a stupid rule.

[pokerfan]

184. It's an improvement over traditional sudden death

[Ed Suspicious]

188. I agree.

[madinmaryland]

8. Stop Whining. The Peckers lost fair and square.

Everyone knows the rules. Why couldn't the Peckers stop the SeaChickens at the end of the game?

[Ed Suspicious]

9. Pound sand.

[madinmaryland]

10. Whiner!!

[Garion_55]

11. cuz their defense sucked

but that doesnt mean their offense shouldnt have been given a chance to score too.

the rules suck

[madinmaryland]

21. That rule has existed since football was started (at least in the playoffs)...

Never been a problem before, until the whiney Pecker fans lost.

[Ed Suspicious]

31. Hey pal, would you mind cooling it with the whiney pecker thing?

[madinmaryland]

43. As soon as you cool it with the whining about the rules, I will cool it with Pecker reference.

BTW, you have ventured into a Sports Group discussion, where the rules are all wide open about references to team names. If you can't deal with it, then don't post in it.

Just sayin.

[uppityperson]

61. This is in GD.

[Ed Suspicious]

63. Have fun then. It is indeed your right to be

a prick, after all. Good day.

[madinmaryland]

65. Ahh. Sore Loserman is putting me on ignore. mim has a sad.

[Ed Suspicious]

91. Gracious winner is . . . Never mind.

[madinmaryland]

95. Dude. I am a fan of neither team playing in this game. Just enjoy tweeking

fans of teams when they start whining about silly shit!

[Ed Suspicious]

105. Oh I see. You're just trolling griefer looking to stir shot up.

That's awesome.

[madinmaryland]

108. So are you really a Pecker fan?? It's a sports thread which does not belong in GD,

so I am giving all the Pecker fans grief, which they damn well deserve!!

[PNW_Dem]

186. "Pecker Fan", what a great name

Here's a pic of a Pecker fan for your enjoyment.

[LanternWaste]

197. An endeavor worthy of a nine year old pretending to be clever.

"Just enjoy tweeking fans of teams when they start whining about silly shit!"

An endeavor worthy of a nine year old pretending to be clever.

[Skittles]

76. especially since the Packers benfited from a stupid rule in their last game

[rsmith6621]

12. Them Are The Rulz Garion 55

Those rulz have been around for many years. Play by them or GO HOME.

Mt SEAHAWKS are going to the Super Bowl...... AGAIN.

[MohRokTah]

13. Best come from behind playoff win un NFL history.

Seahawks were down 16-0 at the half and the were down two touchdowns with four minutes to go in the fourth quarter.

I was a well deserved win, and everybody knows the overtime rules going into the game.

[Dreamer Tatum]

14. catch a ball like an athlete and not a toddler and they win nt

[liberal_at_heart]

15. That was one hell of a comeback. Go Hawks!

[Fred Sanders]

16. The other team should have the opportunity to also score a touchdown...coin toss decides it?

[rufus dog]

72. Nope!

1. Score from inside the one yard line (on two occasions) and the game is decided.
2. Catch an onside kick and the game is decided.
3. Cut in front of a receiver and stop a two point conversion and then the fg wins and decides the game.

Complaining about rules after the fact is lame.

[ProfessorGAC]

213. Don't Let A Running Back Get Behind The Whole Defense

[MohRokTah]

87. Scoring a touchdown is damned difficult.

The Packers should have kept the Seahawks out of the end zone and limit them to a field goal.

Then they'd get the ball.

[Jamaal510]

166. +1

[elias49]

17. Crappy!! Russell didn't earn it

played shitty all day - gets a hail mary win.

[liberal_at_heart]

34. Football is a team effort, and our defense held them to 22 points despite the yardage.

Our defense had a lot to do with today's victory and they played great and deserve this win.

[rhett o rick]

113. That was no "hail mary". Wilson does that every game.

Seahawks have been a second half team all season. They don't give up.

[dilby]

18. I like the rule for overtime.

If you just score a field goal the opposing team gets an opportunity to score, if you score a touchdown it's game over. This has improved overtime, it used to be the first team to score won so people just went for the field goal.

[Garion_55]

207. actually they changed that back to first score wins

i thought, like you, each team would get a chance to score but the rules were changed a couple years back to first score wins.

i dont like it

[pokerfan]

212. really?

We're back to traditional sudden death?

Got a link?

[Garion_55]

217. from the NFL website

Sudden Death
The sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when score is tied at the end of the regulation playing time of all NFL games. The team scoring first during overtime play shall be the winner and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by Referee for a palpably unfair act.
At the end of regulation time the Referee will immediately toss coin at center of field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped.
Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods or until there is a score*. There is a two-minute intermission between subsequent periods. The teams change goals at the start of each period. Each team has three time outs per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular game. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.
*Exception: In preseason and regular season games there shall be a maximum of 15 minutes of sudden death with two time outs instead of three. General provisions that apply for the fourth quarter will prevail. Try not attempted if touchdown scored. If there is no score in the 15 minutes, the game shall end in a tie.


http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/suddendeath

[pokerfan]

226. Thanks

I'm on my phone and can't post a link.

[MohRokTah]

231. That's old information. Had the Seahawks only scored a Field Goal, the PAckers would get...

a possession.

MODIFIED SUDDEN DEATH


The modified sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when the score is tied at the end of regulation playing time of NFL games. The system guarantees each team a possession or the opportunity to possess, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession.

» At the end of regulation time, the Referee will immediately toss a coin at the center of the field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped.

» Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared. Each team must possess or have the opportunity to possess the ball unless the team that has the ball first scores a touchdown on its initial possession. Play continues in sudden death until a winner is determined, and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by the Referee for a palpably unfair act. Each team has three time-outs per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular game. The try is not attempted if a touchdown is scored. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.

» Instant Replay: No challenges. Reviews to be initiated by the replay assistant.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules

[tammywammy]

224. No, they haven't changed the overtime rules since 2012. It's a modified sudden death still. n/t

[tammywammy]

223. No, they haven't changed the overtime rules since 2012

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/1/4/7488449/nfl-overtime-rules-playoffs-changes

[Garion_55]

225. thats when they changed them back

for a couple years before that the rules were different. changed because people didnt like the sudden death rule.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

19. i like the college OT rules better

but rules is rules... oh, and the Packers simply had to score... like 1 touchdown... in the quarter 2... or 3... or 4... and then OT wouldn't have been an issue.

sP

[Takket]

20. its perfectly fair. you get a shot if you hold them to a FG

but if you can't successfully stop a team from getting into the end zone you shouldn't get a shot. They had a fair shot, to stop seattle from scoring a TD, and they failed.

[Garion_55]

22. sorry but i dont like it

packers should have been at least given a chance to score a touchdown too and keep the game going. thats only fair

[MohRokTah]

78. WRONG

They had a chance to keep Seattle out of the end zone. They FAILED.

[Garion_55]

227. thats fine. point is that seattle should have had to keep the pack out too

had the pack scored the game should have kept going.

[MohRokTah]

230. Doesn't work that way.

You can't be robbed if the rules are adhered to.

Rules are quite simple, if the initial possession results in a very difficult touchdown, the game is over.

It's far easier to make a field goal, which the Packers proved multiple times in the first quarter.

[Garion_55]

233. it does in college. and sort of did in the nfl

a couple years back they changed the OT rules so that a team will win with a TD but if they only get a FG, the other team gets a chance to score too. thats fair.

then they changed the nfl rules back to sudden death. which makes no sense at all. better to just have another 15 min period

[MohRokTah]

235. It NEVER did in the NFL

They did not change the rules back. You quoted an old page from the NFL site. The official rules are modified overtime.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules

Now, debating the rules for next year has merit, but once the season started, the rules were the rules.

[Garion_55]

240. interesting because this is on the nfl site right now

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/suddendeath

Sudden Death
The sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when score is tied at the end of the regulation playing time of all NFL games. The team scoring first during overtime play shall be the winner and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by Referee for a palpably unfair act.

[MohRokTah]

241. You should have read the parent page of your link

Digest of Rules

This Digest of Rules of the National Football League has been prepared to aid players, fans, and members of the press, radio, and television media in their understanding of the game.

It is not meant to be a substitute for the official rule book. In any case of conflict between these explanations and the official rules, the rules always have precedence.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/digestofrules

Go to the official rule book and the Modified Sudden Death remains in effect:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/2013%20-%20Rule%20Book.pdf

RULE 16 Overtime Procedures
Section 1 Overtime Procedures
Article 1 If the score is tied at the end of the regulation playing time of all preseason, regular season, and postseason NFL games, a system of modified sudden-death overtime shall be in effect, pursuant to the following.
Article 2 At the end of regulation playing time, the Referee shall immediately toss a coin at the center of the field, in accordance with rules pertaining to a usual pregame toss (4-2-2). The visiting team captain is to again call the toss.
Article 3
Following an intermission of no more than three minutes after the end of the regular game, the extra period shall commence.
(a) Both teams must have the opportunity to possess the ball once during the extra period, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession, in which case it is the winner, or if the team kicking off to start the overtime period scores a safety on the receiving team’s initial possession, in which case the team that kicked off is the winner.
(b) If the team that possesses the ball first does not score on its initial possession, the team next scoring by any method shall be the winner.
(c) If the team that possesses the ball first scores a field goal on its initial possession, the other team (the second team) shall have the opportunity to possess the ball.
(1) If the second team scores a touchdown on its possession, it is the winner.
(2) If the second team scores a field goal on its possession, the team next scoring by any method shall be the winner.

Heck, if the Packer's defense could ahve got it together enough to force a safety on the Seahawks, they would have won the game.

[Garion_55]

243. i dont even care about this game

any playoff nfl game regardless of the teams should not end like that one did.

why does FG keep the game going but TD doesnt? not consistent. makes no sense.

the rules shouldnt have been changed for this game of course but they need to make some alterations before next years playoffs for sure

[MohRokTah]

244. A FG keeps the game going BECAUSE A TOUCHDOWN IS DAMNED DIFFICULT TO SCORE! eom

[Garion_55]

246. a score is a score

one team gets a score the other should be given the chance. thats only fair

[MohRokTah]

256. The PAckers HAD a chance to counter the possession

All they had to do under the rules was force a safety and then they would have won.

[tammywammy]

238. No, they haven't changed back to a straight sudden death.

It's still the modified version. If the Packers held the Seahawks to a field goal, the Packers would have then taken possession. They didn't, so since the Seahawks scored a touchdown the game was over. Since you think the modified version is "fair" then this whole thread is moot.

[MohRokTah]

245. The Packers could have also won by forcing a Safety.

If the kicking team scores a safety on the first possession, game over.

[tammywammy]

248. Exactly.

This isn't a new rule they made up right before overtime. Both teams knew the rules and the Packers lost.

[MohRokTah]

249. The merit of the OT rules can certainly be debated and changed prior to next season.

Of course, that's up to the owners.

[tammywammy]

250. Agreed. n/t

[kcr]

52. So, it basically comes down to who wins a coin toss

Sorry, but I agree with the OP. It's a sucky way to do OT.

[MohRokTah]

88. AND scores a touchdown.

Much more difficult than scoring a field goal.

Had they stopped them with a field goal, they'd get a possession.

[Jim Lane]

189. It's still the case that winning the coin toss makes a huge difference.

I don't think the coin toss should have that much influence. It's true that it confers less of an advantage than if any score would win it, but still, I see no reason why the other team shouldn't get at least one guaranteed possession, even if they give up a touchdown in OT.

The rules were in effect for this game and applied to both teams equally. Therefore, I wouldn't say the Packers were robbed. Nevertheless, I do think the NFL should change the rule. Maybe unhappiness over this game will prompt reconsideration. There's a decent chance that, if the Packers had won the coin toss, they'd be going to the Super Bowl.

[n2doc]

24. Perhaps they should have bothered to go for it on 4th and 1 in the first half

Chickens get eaten. 4 more points would have sealed the deal.

[Goblinmonger]

195. Seattle is the best defense in the NFL

Going for it there would have been stupid. Take the points you know you'll get.

Sure hindsight and all, but had the D stuffed them again, then everyone would be all "OMG why didn't he get his 3?"

[n2doc]

199. If their defense was so good, how did GB put up 16 points in 1 quarter on them?

Yes, we will never know now. But this article makes the case well for going for it

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/afc-nfc-championship-patriots-colts-seahawks-packers/

The worst that happens is you leave them at the 1 yard line.

[AgingAmerican]

206. Offensive turnovers

nt

[n2doc]

209. There were no TAINTS

No interceptions or fumbles run back for touchdowns. So again, if their defense was so great, how did they let GB even get to the 1 yard line?

I saw a team on the ropes, that was allowed breathing room by GB, and used every trick they knew to come back in the second half. I remember seeing the score 6-0 with all the SEA turnovers and thinking, "that's going to come back to haunt them." And it did.

[AgingAmerican]

214. Offensive turnovers

...gave Green Bay too many chances early, hence their first quarter scoring binge.

[pokerfan]

210. turnovers, bad field pos., etc.

It was a sign of good goal line defense to hold GB to just 16 points in the first half when it could have been 28. GB scores TDs in the first half instead of FGs and we aren't having this conversation.

[Goblinmonger]

257. They adjusted pretty damn well before the end of the game, don't you think?

Or are we arguing that they aren't the #1 defense in the league?

The worst that happens is that you don't put any points on the scoreboard. Hey, I'm just an arm chair coach. But much like you kill your arch nemesis right when you have the chance and don't keep them alive to teach them a lesson or have them die a horrible death, you put the damn points on the board.

[n2doc]

258. I agree they are great

That's why GB had to be aggressive and strike while they were reeling. Seattle has had a pattern all year of coming back strong in the second half of games. Also on the playoffs last year (except the SB, which was over in the first 10 minutes). But In that first quarter GB were hammering Seattle, and failed to put them away. Even 1 touchdown out of the 2 trips to the 1 yard line might have made all the difference.

Anyway I suspect the Patriots are going to find out the hard way that Seattle is brutal on offenses.

[kwassa]

25. No, Green Bay lost, fair and square. Incredible comeback by Seattle.

Great throws by Wilson at the end.

Reminds me of the Patriots comeback against the Ravens last weekend, with more interceptions.

[beam me up scottie]

40. Wow.

That's twice today we've agreed on something.

*looks out window to see if Judge Judy (neighbor's pig) is flying around*

[kwassa]

94. first sign of the Apocalypse!

[JVS]

26. If they wanted to win they should have made touchdowns instead of field goals.

[Brickbat]

27. Aw, did something actually go against the Packers for once?

[Garion_55]

33. id be saying the same thing if packers scored and seahawks werent given a chance

each team should be given a set of downs. first team not to score wins. just like college.

[Terra Alta]

30. I agree that both teams should have a chance to score in OT

But the Packers sure weren't doing themselves any favors by choking away the game in the 4th quarter.

[Iggo]

32. I'm just gonna go ahead and assume you don't understand what "robbed" means...

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...in the context of the sporting world.

I get that you don't like the rule, but tough. Green Bay didn't get robbed. And Dallas didn't get robbed last week by the rules for a completed pass. And Baltimore didn't get robbed by the ineligible receiver rule last week, either. And the Raiders didn't get robbed in the "Tuck Rule" game.

Doesn't matter if you like the rules or not.

Nobody.Got.Robbed.

[rufus dog]

117. Oh, the 49ers got robbed in last years championship game

Horrible officiating, mysterious extra time given to the Seahawks prior to them scoring the go ahead touchdown. My team got robbed, the Packers choked!

[lumberjack_jeff]

126. .

[rufus dog]

138. Good luck this year.

You can win your first legitimate Super Bowl.

[liberal_at_heart]

146. Oh, give me a break. Every team has calls that are not in their favor that they think are wrong.

If you play well enough one call not in your favor does not determine the outcome of the game.

[rufus dog]

164. Lighten up Francis!

Did you not see the roflmao in my first post?

[liberal_at_heart]

172. no I didn't. Sorry. My bad. San Francisco started out so awesome this year. Sorry they kind of

imploded toward the end of the season. What happened there? Was it injuries?

[rufus dog]

181. Injuries played a part.

they were also extremely limited on offense, they have a lot of holes to fill.

[oberliner]

35. Should never have gotten to that point

Pathetic how they gave that game away.

[onecaliberal]

36. I just want someone to ask the Seattle coach about

USC. He fucked that program ten ways from Sunday. Left another coach to clean up his NCAA violations. They lost scholarships for years. He's not a good guy.

[liberal_at_heart]

41. I don't like that he got rid of Golden Tate or Percy Harvin but he has put a team together

that plays very well together and is going to its second Super Bowl in two years. Whatever he is doing here is working.

[onecaliberal]

45. He screwed over a lot of

People and skated off to the NFL. He's a piece of shit and it should be known how scandalous he was as a college coach. I don't give two rips what he's done in Seattle.

[liberal_at_heart]

54. okay. You are free to your opinion.

[R B Garr]

68. Are you kidding?? He was great for USC!

I know what you're referring to, of course, and I guess that is one way to look at it. But he was magic -- pure MAGIC at USC. It was such an exciting era. Similar to how it is for Seattle right now. Seattle is in an elite league now being a repeat team in the Super Bowl!

Pete used to have open practices at USC and I used to go during that time period. It was PACKED with people all the time, and that's where some of the allegations of lack of oversight occurred. Most of what happened with USC was with Reggie Bush's parents, not even Reggie himself. But a lot of what happened was because of those open practices. Look how Pete is very inclusive of the fans now with Seattle. That's how he was at USC -- nothing more than that, really. The practices have been closed for awhile and you have to have official credentials to be allowed in.

He wasn't nefarious at all, just an infectious personality. Everyone wanted to be around him and the mystique of his team kept growing -- just like Seattle now. This is a classic Pete Carroll win and team.

"Win Forever" -- one of Pete's many infectious mottos.

[onecaliberal]

71. Losing scholarships for ten years and millions in fines

If that's what you call great then suit yourself. That program is fucked because of Pete carol and everyone who lives here has seen first hand.

[R B Garr]

90. Right, Pete Carroll didn't drive by the parent's houses

of the players to see what they were up to........

A lot of what happened with those sanctions also happened because the administrators were not as cooperative in the beginning because they didn't take it seriously enough because some of the allegations sounded overblown. Even now many people say that USC got screwed by the NCAA.

In any event, many of Pete's "problems" were because he was so very open with fans, etc. Agents and other frauds got too close to some of the players because of those open practices.

"Everyone who lives here has seen first hand." Okay, well, lots of people also really loved Pete Carroll, so not "everyone" thinks how you do about him.

[NightWatcher]

37. They were up by 9 with 2 minutes to go. They blew it fair and square

[Man from Pickens]

39. Disagree

They played it too safe and blew a LOT of opportunities to put this one away. The object lesson is that champs have a killer instinct to put their opponents away when they're down, and that's why the Pack aren't going to be the champs this year.

[Garion_55]

42. field goal and the game continues. TD and its over?

sorry but those are some lame ass overtime rules.

[madinmaryland]

46. Dude. You're still whining about the PECKERS losing, even though EVERYONE knew the rules.

[liberal_at_heart]

49. I think it should be whoever scores first. I don't even think a field goal should continue the game.

If Green Bay had made them miss their third down conversion, Green Bay could have gotten the ball back.

[Garion_55]

53. i like how college does it.

each team gets a set of downs. game continues as long as its a tie game.

[liberal_at_heart]

59. Well it's not. The fact is Green Bay did not prevent Seattle from making a first down. Had they done

that they would have had a chance to play in overtime.

[MohRokTah]

56. It used to be sudden death.

First to score wins. All you needed to do was win the toss and get in field goal range.

Then they changed it for the 2012 season. It's tougher to get in the end zone, which is why the rule makes sense. Had they only done a field goal, The Peckers would have had a chance to score against the SeaChickens.

[abelenkpe]

44. Didn't the rules used to be whoever scored first won

sudden death, etc?

Pretty much expected the first to score to win. That said I'm very sad Green Bay lost....

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

47. Uhhhhhhh

no they didn't. The Packers had chances to score TD's and instead got FG's. That's what kept the Seahawks in the game. In the interest of full disclosure I live in the Seattle area

[City Lights]

48. Sounds like sour grapes.

[Garion_55]

62. i like both teams. thats why i wanted a fair game

each team given the same chance to win as the other

[madinmaryland]

73. I realize you were born long after this game but read about one of the greatest overtime

games in NFL history. It was an incredible game for those of us who saw it.

Just think about Ozzie Newsome

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_in_Miami

Oops forgot to add this one. Are you going to complain about this one too??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1958_NFL_Championship_Game

[MohRokTah]

97. It was a COMPLETELY fair game.

IF you don't like the rules, lobby to have the rules changed, but it was a 100% fair game.

[Garion_55]

216. sorry i meant a fair overtime. sudden death is bullshit

not sure why they changed it back to that. its a crappy way to end a tie game

[MohRokTah]

218. It was a COMPLETELY fair overtime.

The vote by the owners to institute the rule as it stands was unanimous.

[Garion_55]

221. sudden death is not fair at all. thats why it was changed years ago

why they changed it back is baffling to me. you win the toss, score and field goal and the game is over? just like that? other team doesnt even get a chance to tie?

nah it makes no sense especially during playoffs.

[MohRokTah]

228. There has been sudden death OT in the NFL since 1946.

The rule was only in place for playoff games. Regular season games that ended tied were counted as tied.

In 1974, the sudden death OT rules were extended to regular season play with a 15:00 sudden death period.

In 2012, the rules were changed to the current modified sudden death rules where a touchdown on the initial possession would result in a sudden death win and Field Goals still resulted in a possession by the other side.

So, you're wrong about any rules being changed back.

[Garion_55]

237. FGs no longer result in possession by the other side

thats what was changed back in 2012.

it was always first score wins. then it was changed to FG means other team possession. then it was changed back again to first score wins.

[MohRokTah]

239. You are WRONG

NFL overtime rules

NFL.com
Published: March 28, 2012 at 02:43 p.m.
Updated: Nov. 12, 2012 at 01:02 p.m

Owners voted Wednesday at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Fla., to adopt the postseason overtime modified sudden death format in the regular season as well. Teams now will have the opportunity to possess the ball at least once in the extra period unless the team that receives the overtime kickoff scores a touchdown on its first possession. The only difference is that regular season games can end in a tie if the score remains locked after 15 minutes, while a playoff game cannot.

Here's a look at the NFL's overtime procedures for both the regular season and playoffs under the new decision:
MODIFIED SUDDEN DEATH


The modified sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when the score is tied at the end of regulation playing time of NFL games. The system guarantees each team a possession or the opportunity to possess, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession.

» At the end of regulation time, the Referee will immediately toss a coin at the center of the field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped.

» Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared. Each team must possess or have the opportunity to possess the ball unless the team that has the ball first scores a touchdown on its initial possession. Play continues in sudden death until a winner is determined, and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by the Referee for a palpably unfair act. Each team has three time-outs per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular game. The try is not attempted if a touchdown is scored. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.

» Instant Replay: No challenges. Reviews to be initiated by the replay assistant.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules

It reads this way in the official NFL Rule Book

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook

[tammywammy]

229. The rules haven't changed since 2012.

It's still a modified overtime, which both teams know the rules. The Packers failed to stop a touchdown so they lost.

[pnwmom]

103. Both teams DID have the same chance to win as the other, beginning with that coin toss.

And both teams knew what the rules were, and the refs abided by the rules.

The game was fair by any reasonable definition. You just didn't like the outcome.

[MFM008]

50. thats why they call it sudden death

great last 15 minutes

[oberliner]

55. Brutal if you were pulling for the Packers

As I was.

Man that was hard to watch.

[Garion_55]

58. its not sudden death though

if seahawks had only gotten a field goal, the packers would have been given a set of downs to try to tie the game or win it

[Bluzmann57]

60. I'm one of the biggest Packer fans you'll ever see

And they simply choked. They did not get robbed. There were several instances where they could have salted the game away and simply did not play well enough. And McCarthy needs to realize that he has the best qb on the planet and throw the ball when he has a lead in the 4th quarter.

[Garion_55]

64. they blew the regular game for sure

but should have been given one set of downs to try to tie the game up. college rules

[MohRokTah]

99. This wasn't college ball.

So college rules can pound sand.

[pnwmom]

106. What would have been completely unfair is to switch to college rules at the end.

As long as the rules are known to both sides, and both sides and the refs adhere to them, the game is fair. Period.

[mr_liberal]

75. Its like their defense stopped playing.

I kept thinking someone needs to tell them the game is not over yet. They though they won when there was 5 minutes left. Really pathetic, they just gave the game away.

[liberal_at_heart]

80. They did seem to get over confident. There were a couple of times I was thinking the refs may need

to get in between some players because the Packers defenders were getting in the faces of the Hawks especially when it was 16-0. They were feeling cocky and weren't playing as well toward the end.

[AngryAmish]

121. I visited r/greenbaypackers

Things are hot and pwople are drunk but I am shocked by the calls for McCarrhy and Caper's jobs.

They are among the best in the league, and that is from a Bears fan.

[mountain grammy]

128. I love Rogers, hated seeing the Packers lose.

bummer, they missed too many chances to put it away.

[Autumn]

79. Nope, the Seahawks kicked ass and I can't stand the Seahawks

but that come back was a thing of beauty.

[riqster]

83. Speaking as a Browns fan...

Quitcherwhinin'.

[Aerows]

85. Saints Fan

agreed.

[Jamaal510]

170. Raiders fan co-signing, as well. nt

[icymist]

180. A Browns fan? Wouldn't you rather be a fan of a professional football team?

[riqster]

255. I am from the Cleveburgh area.

I may not be smart, but I'm loyal. [img][/img]

[icymist]

261. I joke! I joke!

I grew up outside of Youngstown.

[riqster]

262. Real Browns fans have thick skins.

No worries.

[truebrit71]

96. Nope. Those are the rules. If you rely on the rules one week. ..

... to overturn a clear catch, you don't get to bitch the next week when the rules mean you lose if the opposition scores a TD in OT....

[moondust]

100. Also not a fan of the OT rules.

But remember in regulation GB scored FOUR TIMES before Sttl scored once, and IIRC two of those scores should have been TDs but were stopped at the goal line.

[stevenleser]

109. Giants fan here and my preferred team won the game. I don't like that rule either.

Doesn't seem fair. You should be able to try to tie the score.

[earthside]

111. Play a quarter.

I've never liked the NFL overtime procedure.

The fair thing is to play a quarter and whomever is ahead at the end of that period wins.

[YarnAddict]

114. Packers robbed themselves.

And I say that as I sit here in my 1996 NFC Championship sweatshirt.

If either of those first two field goals had been a TD they would have won.

If they could have stopped that 2-pt conversion they would have won.

They had probably a couple of dozen chances to put that game out of reach, and they just couldn't do it.

As we always said in the '70's, "Next year."

[Blue_Tires]

118. 1. You have a point -- They should just play an extra quarter

2. Keep crying...

[BeyondGeography]

120. Lol...how the hell did they lose?

I went out to dinner after they intercepted the ball late in the 4th and Seattle was dead in the water. I did a double take when I read your thread title.

[TheCowsCameHome]

122. The Patriots will take care of Seattle. No need to worry.

[Wounded Bear]

149. Confidence is that feeling you have...

before you understand the situation. Kind of like Green Bay in the 3rd quarter today.

[ChazII]

124. Both teams and their fans

will be here in the valley. Luckily, I will have the best seat for the game right in my own home.

[yourout]

127. No....I'm as big a cheesehead as there is and it was flat out a choke job.

No one to blame but themselves.

[liberal_at_heart]

131. I'm a Hawks fan and I really thought it was over when Wilson threw that last turn over with like

four minutes to go.

[yourout]

135. If Burnett would not have had a brain fart and laid down it might have been.

Had 15 to 20 yards in front of him and a chance to get into FG range.
Incredibly stupid football by the Pack the last 5 minutes.

[trumad]

129. LOL

Been watching football for over 50 years.

There will always be sore losers. If the shoe was on the other foot there would be total silence.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

130. HAHAHHA!!!

Poor Packers. They need to go to college, where the rules are fair.

[Zorra]

132. Seattle!!! Super Bowl bound again!!!

[freshwest]

165. Didn't watch, but knew they won when I heard the fireworks and whoops outside my window...

GO HAWKS!

[mnhtnbb]

134. Always call heads. What's up with calling tails?

Don't these guys know that heads comes up more often?

[MFM008]

137. Tommy boy is ahead

I cant wait. Everyone thought Manning was going to kill use last year and we beat them by 30 points. Every time you underestimate the Seahawks YOU lose.

ON TO ARIZONA AND WIN #2

[jmowreader]

139. Bostick trying to catch the ball with his helmet was the problem

[yourout]

141. Bostick trying to catch the ball at all was the problem. He was suppose to block for a reason.

[madinmaryland]

142. K&R for one of the best sore loserman threads on DU in a long time!!

Good job!!!!!

[Garion_55]

173. actually i like both teams. either winning was fine with me

what im not a fan of is the overtime rules. i would be saying the same thing if packers scored and the hawks didnt get a chance to respond.

sudden death is a stupid way to end the game

[Chisox08]

143. Awww boo-hoo

Halas should have never bailed the Packers out.

Go Hawks!!!
and Bear Down!

[bigwillq]

160. Not a huge fan of the OT rules

They should either play a full quarter or at least give the other team a chance to match the TD.

But I don't think GB was robbed. Those are the rules and each team knows them heading into OT. GB should have put it away long before it got to OT.

[Garion_55]

175. games should not end like that. not playoff games

each team should have an equal opportunity to get the ball and try to score.

[lovemydog]

161. Green Bay played well for 3 1/2 quarters.

But Seattle outplayed them big-time and won the game fair and square. That was one of the most exciting games I've ever seen. Seattle played to win. Credit Pete Carroll for calling some amazing plays, Wilson for never getting down on himself, and the Seahawks defense for a tremendous performance. I like both teams, it didn't matter to me too much who won. But I must say that the Seahawks are one of the most dynamic teams I've seen play football. Never count them out. Marshawn Lynch is a beast!

[liberal_at_heart]

174. I wish we had a better offensive line. If Pete Carroll could just get the offensive line to improve,

there would be no stopping Lynch, but as of right now they don't give him enough blocking to really let the Beast out.

[lovemydog]

177. Well, they fed the Beast today.

What did he get, like 180 yards rushing? Often with two or three people trying to tackle him. In the AFC championship game, LaGarret Blount rushed for like 175 yards. It's gonna be a great Super Bowl, great runners, a legendary quarterback, a magical quarterback, and brilliant coaching staffs.

[boomer55]

163. Ceaser is pleased

Ceaser is pleased you enjoyed the public spectacle and hopes the bread will be enjoyed as well

[Jamaal510]

167. I slept and missed the entire 2nd half.

I was so .

[liberal_at_heart]

171. My father usually falls asleep during football games, but he did not sleep through this one.

It was tempting to think the game was over early especially when Wilson through yet another interception with 4 minutes to go, but it was still so exciting and fun to watch there was no one sleeping through the game in our house, not today.

[Cali_Democrat]

168. Bwhahahahah

Bullshit

[roamer65]

169. Go Pats! N/t

[Blecht]

176. Ha ha!

Loved the outcome.

The post-game whining is also delicious.

[PeteSelman]

178. Only the Detroit Lions were robbed this year.

The team from Dallas was not.
The Packers were not today. They robbed themselves if anything.

Does no one ever just lose fair and square?

Other than the Colts. That was a demolition.

[yortsed snacilbuper]

185. Do you want cheese with your,

whine?

[Cali_Democrat]

190. oh shit...is that Romney?

[Garion_55]

204. im not a packer fan im an NFL fan

sudden death OT rules spoils the game imo. especially in a playoff. i'd complain just as much if the pack scored and the hawks werent given a chance to tie it back up.

college seems to get it right.

[gopiscrap]

187. My favorite team is the Packers because they are publicly owned

but I live in Seattle and so I was happy either way for this game. I too think the OT rules are bullshit. Game should be played til there is a clear winner even if that means 10 OT's

[HappyMe]

191. Paging Bitter! Bitter, party of one!

Seattle won fair and square. They aren't going to change the rules just for the Packers.

[Garion_55]

203. Oh i dont care who won the game either team winning was fine

i've just always hated the OT sudden death rule. i thought they had changed it a few years back so each team gets a chance to score but apparently they changed it back to sudden death. analysis shows that 60% of the teams who win the coin toss end up winning the game or some shit.

sudden death ot rules isnt fair to any team they need to be changed again.

[HappyMe]

205. Football games are long enough.

I think it's fair rule.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

192. Dallas got robbed, too, and Detroit before that ...

Lotta muggings going on, need a fleet of waambulances!

[Stephen Retired]

193. Overtime should be a full, 15-minute period

If, after that extra time, the scored is still tied, the second overtime would be sudden-death.

[Capt. Obvious]

211. No, they should go to penalty kicks

[DiverDave]

194. WAAAAAAAAAA. quick give him his. binky

GO SEAHAWKS!

[Capt. Obvious]

196. I didn't know Jon Harbaugh posted here

[librechik]

198. new rules: first to score

sucks

[Chisox08]

219. It's only first to score when a Touchdown is scored

If the Packers would have held them to a Field Goal they would have had a chance to either match or score a TD.

Moral of the story for the Packers and their fans if you don't like OT rules you had 4 quarters to beat them and they choked, big time.

[Garion_55]

234. actually thats no longer the case

game would have been over even with just a FG. they changed those rules back to sudden death first score wins in 2012.

[Garion_55]

242. then again maybe it is the case. very confusing

this is one rules page on the nfl site

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules


this is another

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/suddendeath


both pages have conflicting information.

one says sudden death no matter what, another says FG continues possession.


either way its a crappy way to end any nfl playoff game.

[Capt. Obvious]

253. You know not of what you speak

MODIFIED SUDDEN DEATH

The modified sudden death system of determining the winner shall prevail when the score is tied at the end of regulation playing time of NFL games. The system guarantees each team a possession or the opportunity to possess, unless the team that receives the opening kickoff scores a touchdown on its initial possession.

» At the end of regulation time, the Referee will immediately toss a coin at the center of the field in accordance with rules pertaining to the usual pregame toss. The captain of the visiting team will call the toss prior to the coin being flipped.

» Following a three-minute intermission after the end of the regulation game, play will be continued in 15-minute periods until a winner is declared. Each team must possess or have the opportunity to possess the ball unless the team that has the ball first scores a touchdown on its initial possession. Play continues in sudden death until a winner is determined, and the game automatically ends upon any score (by safety, field goal, or touchdown) or when a score is awarded by the Referee for a palpably unfair act. Each team has three time-outs per half and all general timing provisions apply as during a regular game. The try is not attempted if a touchdown is scored. Disqualified players are not allowed to return.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827ee2c0/article/nfl-overtime-rules


You are embarrassing yourself.

[Johonny]

200. Your concern is noted

[Silent3]

208. They just didn't sports enough

[Go Vols]

215. I would have liked to see GB win,

but at least they covered the spread.

[ismnotwasm]

220. Hmm

[TBF]

232. As a Packer fan from the time

Of the FIRST super bowl I am really sorry but that wasn't the problem.

Coach was scared of Seattle and played too conservative. You need to go for TD's against a big team any you don't give up with 5 minutes left.

We handed them the game. The rules weren't the problem - coin toss could have gone either way.

[WestSeattle2]

236. God just likes Russell Wilson more than Aaron Rodgers.

[TeamPooka]

247. Packers choked. nt

[calimary]

252. And here I'm still wondering why the Patriots are nicknamed

the "Pats" instead of the "Pates." Patriots - Pates - long "A" sound.

Shows you what I know about football.

Sorry - I'm just out of it re: all things football.

[nilesobek]

259. It was a tale of 2 halves.

Rodgers only threw for 60 yards in the second half. Green Bay was 0-7 on third down in the second half. Green Bay played so bad in the second half I don't think it was necessary to prolong the game for another Green Bay 3 and out.