Lawmakers Ban Open Carry In Washington State Capitol After Gun Nuts Storm Building

[Fred Sanders]

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/17/lawmakers-ban-open-carry-washington-state-capitol-gun-nuts-storm-building.html

"In a classic case of a group hurting their cause more than helping it, approximately 200 gun rights activists demonstrated at Washington’s state capitol building on Thursday morning to ostensibly protest the passage of I-594, a law that expands background checks in the state. A large number of the demonstrators brought assault rifles and holstered pistols to the rally. Eventually, after a number of speeches on the steps of the Capitol, some of the activists entered the building with rifles and made their way to the gallery shortly after that morning’s House session had ended.

A day after this display, Lt. Governor Brad Owen, a Democrat and President of the Senate, announced that openly carried firearms are now banned from the public viewing area. Owen pointed out that other forms of demonstrating are prohibited in the public gallery, such as applause, and they do not allow backpacks and umbrellas to be brought into the area. With that in mind, it would only make sense that guns are off limits."

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More inanimate objects being discriminated against! And their firearms are also being discrimated against. Notice they brought a confused looking child along, because.....reasons. Because nothing says "democracy!" than intimidating a sitting democracy institution with a display of firepower that would kill them all in 30 seconds. Are Muslims with firearms also allowed or just good old boys?
Are they also allowed to get drunk and "excercise" their "rights" in the legislature? How about some free speech to go along with those firearms?



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Texas Legislature Responds To Guns in the Public Gallery with Panic Buttons

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/01/15/belligerent-open-carry-group-confronts-harasses-texas-state-lawmakers.html

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. Cold, dead, brains.

[MohRokTah]

3. +10,000,000 eom

[Enthusiast]

157. +1 an entire shit load.

[Thinkingabout]

2. What game are they hunting in Washington DC? Or where did they see a sign of a target range?

They should all be checked to see if they qualify to own or possess weapons. It just may take some moves by the gun nuts to bring reality to Congress, it is when they are feeling the threating nature of open carry before the fear is installed in them.

[GGJohn]

4. Washington State,

not Washington, DC.

[Fred Sanders]

7. That is next up for the idiots.

[starroute]

59. Washington State is split down the middle between Left Coast and Mountain West

It produces some strange contrasts.

[Veilex]

140. It does indeed. The numerous millitary bases in western washington make for some additional

interesting results.

[NutmegYankee]

5. This is the capital of the State of Washington, Olympia. nt

[Paladin]

6. Further damage to the gun militancy movement, courtesy of Open Carry goons.

Keep up the good work. shitheads.

[Fred Sanders]

8. I would award them a James Brady gold star for helping with gun control.

[calimary]

12. And how 'bout a Darwin Award?

Maybe we ought to institute a "Please Proceed, Governor!" award for just such an occasion as this one. And for just such a worthy recipient!

[Fred Sanders]

30. Darwin and guns also do not mix well with the Christian warriors in gas masks.

[butterfly77]

36. They didn't give a damn..

When the open carry was there to threaten President Obama, when they think their own asses are in target range they change the law.

These Mfkers always say "Its the law when they want to fuck over somebody else but when it comes to them and their friends and family its time to change the law. Dirty,rotten,hypocritical ,fake bastards! In both parties.

[Fred Sanders]

53. Who does not hate hypocrisy and double standards? And they are breaking out all over in the news.

[butterfly77]

55. More to come...

I am enjoying how they try to explain it away. Can't we all just get along

[malaise]

221. +1,000

Their chickens are coming home to roost and the parents are disowning them with tasteless haste.

[Demeter]

9. Maybe it's a well-concealed cry for help? No pun intended

This isn't even twisted thinking...it's no thinking at all.

[Fred Sanders]

11. Gun Nuts: You Can Open Carry.....But Only If You Aren't Muslim......so, Christians only?

You can not make up the shit the gun folk do. Remember when The Black Panthers strode in a legislature? Then guess who wanted gun control laws?

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/20/gun-nuts-muslims/

Open carry gun nuts have a heavy decision to make. Do they want to adhere to their ideology that the Second Amendment applies to everyone – or just to white Christians?

John Stokes posed a very interesting question to open carry activists regarding open carry laws. Stokes writes,

“What if there were a group of Muslim open carry advocates who called themselves “Sword of the Prophet” and whose avowed mission was to bring Sharia law to the US, and they took to showing up armed and in large numbers outside of churches on Sunday, the way the OC guys do at the state house. Or what if there were a group of hispanic activist OCers, maybe an offshoot of La Raza who liked to organize armed protests at police stations and court houses, and who openly advocate the “reconquista” of the Southern US?”

Stokes then mentions the assertion that the movements to restrict gun laws started when the Black Panthers began walking around openly carry guns. He quotes the historian Rick Pearlstein saying,

“Things shifted, of course, when the Panthers started patrolling rich white neighborhoods, including the one where a right-wing supporter of Ronald Reagan in the state assembly, Don Mulford, lived. When the assembly debated Mulford’s subsequent bill to ban the carrying of loaded firearms in public places, Panthers strolled onto the floor of the state assembly fully armed. The Mulford Act passed right quick after that—and, ironically, one of the nation’s first high-profile gun control laws was signed by Governor Ronald Reagan.”

[Paladin]

16. Yet another instance of Open Carry being a hallmark of white privilege. (nt)

[benz380]

23. I just noticed the other person on the right has a bayonet mounted on their rifle. nt

[Fred Sanders]

25. Oh my God, did not see that....hope the lawmakers also installed panic buttons.

[GGJohn]

28. Looks like an old WW1 style bolt action rifle. eom

[Fred Sanders]

34. Keep digging.....

[GGJohn]

41. What the fuck are babbling on about now?

You have a problem with someone ID'ing what type of rifle that is?

[tblue37]

110. I believe he is saying the gun nuts should keep digging--in reference to the adage that

when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging.

These goons are digging themselves into a hole, and those who support rational gun control encourage them to "keep digging," because their nutty behavior will do more to further the cause of gun control than any careful, clearly expressed logical arguments can.

[GGJohn]

115. I don't think so.

Given his past posting history towards pro 2A members here, I'm fairly certain that it was directed at me, but he's more than welcome to clear this up.

[tblue37]

122. FS is pro gun control (see post #21 below), so I do think his intention is

to mock extreme 2A supporters with "Keep digging" as his version of "Please proceed, Governor."

[Duckhunter935]

123. no, sorry to disagree

Fred mocks and insults firearms owners that are members of DU here in this group, in the other gun group and in GD when he gets a chance.

[beevul]

227. Pro-gun ban, you mean.

From his POV any 2A supporter is an extremist.

"I fully support their goal of removing these dangerous killing machines for legal possession."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172158733#post6

[Duckhunter935]

231. sounds like a banner to me

but we all have been told nobody wants to do that.

[beevul]

234. I know it.

Funny how "nobody wants to take your guns" comes from the same group that yolks the strength of, and rubs shoulders with, the folks that say they want to ban guns.

[dixiegrrrrl]

196. Romney supporter, no doubt.

Prolly left his horse tethered outside.

[friendly_iconoclast]

239. John Stokes needs to quit stealing my ideas:

(The disinterested reader will note that this was posted *long* before a certain
wannabe 'Left version of Rush Limbaugh' blew in...)

friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:07 PM
Original message
Maybe it's time for the Imams For Defense and Justice

I saw the CNN special about the attempts by the Muslims of Murfreesboro, Tennesee to build a mosque and the quite bigoted
reaction by some of the locals. It occurs to me that the congregants might take a lesson or two from Robert F. Williams
and the Deacons For Defense And Justice and start a gun club. I wonder if the NRA would give them a charter? (They fucking
well should give them a charter, just like the ones they gave to Rob Williams...)

[benz380]

10. Wonder why guy in lower right is wearing a gas mask? nt

[calimary]

13. Too chickenshit to show his face?

Sorry for generalizing, but that's what I wind up thinking any time I see ANY of these violent, aggressive thugs with their faces masked or hidden. Same thing for those "valiant" Islamic extremists. If your cause is so just and you are so bold, then show your damn face! Why be such a chicken? Show yourself. Show your pride in what you're doing, and let the world see who's standing for this in such open, public "bravery"!

[Fred Sanders]

15. Talking to the empty chair beside him pretending it is Obama?

[Fred Sanders]

14. Believe it or not, some kind of fucking body armor. Maybe a gun nut could clear that up?

[GGJohn]

18. That's a gas mask,

not "some kind of fucking body armor".

[Fred Sanders]

19. Thank you. On cue. I stand corrected. Gas mask in the legislature it is.

[Fred Sanders]

22. Ah, my fan club from the Gungeon arrives..careful there. Handling words without training is as

dangerous as a firearm...even with training.

[Duckhunter935]

45. there you go with the insults again

so predictable

[Fred Sanders]

48. Another fan. Link?

[Duckhunter935]

50. easy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6102702

[azureblue]

61. and you just hit the nail on the head

The gun nuts ignore the "well regulated (trained) militia" part. The first part of the 2nd amendment qualifies the second part. And I bet none of the clowns could do 50 push ups if their guns depended on it. Or run 5 miles with their guns. One look at them makes it obvious they are about as unregulated as they can be. And waving a deadly weapon around to prove a "point" immediately proves they are nutty ideologues.

[hack89]

78. So does the Democratic party and the president

Perhaps you should read the party platform.

[Major Nikon]

79. ...

[NickB79]

89. Those are Airsoft players, shooting plastic BB's at each other in the woods

Hence the eye protection.

http://www.airsplat.com/Items/ERM-AK-Mk43-C.htm

A real M60 costs upwards of $70,000: http://www.gunsamerica.com/953892024/M60-C-R-Model-T161-Belt-Fed-MG-308.htm

[GGJohn]

94. Good catch!!!!

Think he'll edit?

[Duckhunter935]

207. not a chance

[Divernan]

139. Be still my heart! Gag!

Nothing well regulated about this slob's diet or exercise regime. Big ole gun a phallic symbol when you can't afford a sexy red sports car.

He reminds me of a tea party neighbor who tops 300 lbs. and actually ran, or more accurately waddled, for county sheriff. He lost big, of course.

[hack89]

236. That is not a real gun. nt

[samsingh]

206. that is basic english such as

"in order to protect life, in the event of fire, exit at right door after breaking glass."

dropping the first part would mean always exiting the right door after breaking the glass. that would require a lot of glass.

but, the interpretation of 2a is about money, votes, fear and stupidity - perhaps racism.

[Katashi_itto]

152. +10000 the Gun Humpers have arrived

[n2doc]

240. Probably because his buddies aren't too fond of bathing n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

17. How is the guy in the first photo not guilty of brandishing?

[Fred Sanders]

21. A gun nut will tell to you all the intricate details of how The Precious is very safe.

[GGJohn]

24. No, they won't.

You'd be hard pressed finding ANYONE here defending this practice.

[Fred Sanders]

27. So he is guilty of brandishing a weapon....nice to see you agree and tell us, sir.

[GGJohn]

33. Not what I said,

I meant that you won't find anyone here defending this open carrying of firearms.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

44. What do you call that position? With the finger in the trigger guard ready to go.

That's more than just slung over the shoulder for transport.

Do you consider it brandishing? Not sure what the law says.

[GGJohn]

51. Here in AZ, that would be considered brandishing,

I would consider it brandishing, but I don't know what WA. law is.

[benz380]

56. Wiki says in WA aiming a gun at another person is brandishing unless done in self-defense. nt

[GGJohn]

60. So you have to actually aim it at someone to be considered brandishing?

That's a pretty loose definition of brandishing.

[Veilex]

141. "That's a pretty loose definition of brandishing." - not really.

A responsible gun owner will practice muzzle awareness at all times... meaning the barrel will always be pointed at the ground or toward the sky. Even at an angle, this is far from difficult to do.

The guy in the picture is holding his weapon "At the ready". At least, that's the phrase used both while I was in the Army and while I served in a law enforcement capacity for a naval base.

[Paladin]

158. Don't fall for it. He's trying to derail the discussion by controlling the vocabulary.

Common, time-worn deflection maneuver of the pro-gunners.......

[GGJohn]

163. And you would know, your side does it all the time. eom.

[Veilex]

242. The nice thing about english, is that vocabulary is largly immutable...

thanks to all the Word-Nazis out there...that and copious amounts of web-based accessible dictionaries.

So, no matter who argues what with whatever framing they want to use, conversations are always, and ever shall be, subject to actual definitions. This one detail quickly deflates most phony arguments... or at the very least, shows them for the flimsy troll bait that they are.

[mentalslavery]

247. Right!!! I love how the gun-nutters make up terms to sound all smart and shit

Im practicing "muzzle awareness"..not threatening people...Im using "target control"...Im implementing "trigger readiness".....Im exercising "pointing freedom rights!"..........ahh.........scared children need hugs

[Fred Sanders]

161. Do not let the gunners get you off track, the topic is the crazies with guns intimidating democracy

[GGJohn]

168. Coming from you?

That's fucking rich.

[hack89]

62. What does the law say?

Not every state defines brandishing the same way.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

71. It doesn't say anything; you have to read it. Nuuk nyuk.

Either way, he IS brandishing. Whether or not he broke the law is the question.

[heaven05]

26. classic example of

white privilege and hucksters"cultural divide".

[MisterP]

29. yow: that looks like stuff from Kiev

[Fred Sanders]

31. I saw those pictures also...the purpose is not "rights", the purpose is political intimidation.

[Cryptoad]

32. It would have been fitting if,,,,,,,

about an equal number of well armed people from the Hood had come and joined them in their protest.

[benz380]

35. They would have been locked up or worse. nt

[Cryptoad]

46. Thats what Im talking about,,,,,,,, nt

[Rex]

37. Will this just deepen their psychosis? Preppers are a strange group.

No doubt they will feel vindicated in that the 'gummit is trying to stop them' from doing...hmmm...from doing, something. You know, that liberty stuff and because. Guns and freedom and stuff.

[mindwalker_i]

38. Open carry says, "Don't mess with me 'cause I'm armed and tough"

The implication is that people who open carry are NOT tough unless they're armed. They feel unable to deal with the world unless they are armed.

I guess the big truck didn't do it for them.

[Fred Sanders]

40. And, look, I brought my kid with me so he can see democracy in action....from the barrel of a gun?

[butterfly77]

39. They seem to think that...

only white men have weapons,keep it up they are getting closer and closer to what they have been itching for and when they get it they will be all over the media trying to get it to stop and crying "can we all just get along".

[Dawson Leery]

42. An excellent example in as to why gun control is needed.

[Fred Sanders]

43. "Ye shall know them by their deeds".

[GGJohn]

47. And the WA. State lawmakers took care of that problem. eom

[genxlib]

67. I am not sure I agee it is taken care of.

Protection for themselves but not the rest of us?

[GGJohn]

70. Open carry isn't really the problem,

it's those that illegally carry a concealed firearm, you know, criminals.

[Fred Sanders]

73. How did you tell who is the criminal and who is the good old boy? When they take aim?

[GGJohn]

74. Ummmm, the criminal would be the one committing crimes.

Convicted felons, DV's aren't, by federal law, allowed to posses any firearms except black powder firearms. which aren't regulated by the ATF.

[Electric Monk]

83. Follow these simple and helpful hints!

[Politicalboi]

84. Tell that to the mother who's 2 year old shot her dead

Brings a gun while shopping with young kids. Or the idiots who drop their precious, and it shoots some innocent person, you know Bystanders.

[GGJohn]

85. Those are relatively rare occasions.

the vast majority of firearms crimes are committed by..............................criminals.
Gotta go for now and take care of some of the farm chores.
Have a great day.

[Hoyt]

91. Well, they become a criminal after they shoot or intimidate soneone.

[beevul]

228. Or rob someone. N/T

[countryjake]

134. So Arizona hasn't got any Liberty Speakers, Sovereign Citizens, "Creativity" types?

Somehow, I really doubt that.

[GGJohn]

153. I wouldn't know, I don't hang around with those kind of people. eom

[Fred Sanders]

162. Do they hang around you, though? Do you like their thinking?

[GGJohn]

165. Hey genius,

I own a small farm, I mind my own business, I don't hang with those type of people.

[Fred Sanders]

166. Non-responsive, but clear as a bell.

[GGJohn]

167. Why don't you tell us just what the fuck you're babbling on about again? eom

[ProdigalJunkMail]

176. Post Survives...

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Enough of this guy and his NRA talking points.

He is poising the thread with his nonsense.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Jan 19, 2015, 09:11 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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[GGJohn]

177. Thanks for the results.

[Duckhunter935]

170. he answered your question

why not drop the insults

[GGJohn]

172. Ya know, you would think Fred would be tired by now of having

his ass handed to him frequently.

[Duckhunter935]

189. more like tired from running away from

his posts he cannot defend

[Fred Sanders]

52. But he is surrounded by good white folks brandishing the protective armor of second amendment remedies?

Empathis on "white".

[Fred Sanders]

68. Probably scared crazy by the crazies waving guns around, just a wild guess. The lawmakers were.

[ncjustice80]

160. Actually that is a great idea!

Every person involves in this criminal act needs to be identified and have a CPS investigation opened up on them, with their children being removed to a safer wmviroment in the meantime! They obvious have serious mental health problems.

[ncjustice80]

241. I wasnt joking either.

[Initech]

54. Yay guns!!!!

Seriously I think these people really are starting to become a cult.

[jmowreader]

86. Starting?

[RKP5637]

57. These damn fools do this and then wonder why some want more legislation to control guns as

they do this demonstrating a significant lack of responsibility to be armed.

[Fred Sanders]

63. The last photo should be "Exhibit 'A' in any gun control debate. It's a keeper.

[Jefferson23]

58. Morons. n/t

[JDPriestly]

64. The irony is that the government collects records of their phone calls and computer searches

and other internet activities including bank transactions, and not a peep.

But do background checks when they buy guns and they are ready to do "what it takes" whatever that is.

Surely they register the births of their children. And they obtain Social Security cards for themselves and their children, I hope.

Do they register the deeds on their houses and other property?

Do they register their cars and put license plates on them?

What's the big fuss?

I just don't get this.

[Fred Sanders]

65. Apparently because there is a clause in the constitution that makes guns immune from laws?

And common sense also it seems.

[GGJohn]

75. So I guess that the more than 20,000 Federal/State/Local firearm laws

on the books don't count?
Better tell the ATF that.

[JDPriestly]

77. Immune from laws. Is free speech immune from laws?

Last time I checked, free speech is subject to reasonable regulations regarding time, place and manner.

And most cities require groups that want to exercise free speech and assembly in any meaningful way in public to register their planned assembly and even pay fees and charges for the police protection before assembling.

But guns??????? The gun-lovers act like they feel guilty about owning guns. After all, our computers have various identifying numbers and codes and those are registered in an indirect way with the internet service providers. Why not guns?

They register their children, but not their guns. That makes no sense to me.

[olddots]

69. wankers nothing but wankers

masterbating in public is the next "freedom " these imbicils will believe is thier gawd given right .

[Fred Sanders]

72. I think it is just the power rush, sexuality does not have to enter the equation, power in their

little lives is enough. And do not forget the Victim Syndrome is very strong with these type.

You cannnot change their minds, but you can change the minds around them.

Power is the root.

[ZX86]

130. This is masturbating in public.

It's exhibitionism pure and simple. You couldn't be more overtly Freudian. Everyone must see their big their pantomime phallus in public. These guys are getting the same thrill as any perv in a raincoat.

[Major Nikon]

76. It only takes a few gun nuts to ruin it for all the rest of the gun nuts

[bleedinglib]

80. The only explanation?

Faux News !!

[workinclasszero]

81. I see white people storming a government building with military assault weapons and

then going home without a scratch on them.

If that had been a black kid with a toy gun he would be a cold corpse on a slab right now.

[GGJohn]

82. I get your drift,

but those aren't military assault weapons, those are nothing more that semi auto rifles for the most part, with a couple of bolt action rifles mixed in.
Semi auto has been around for more than a century, there's nothing unusual about those rifles, they operate the same exact way as my .22 semi auto rifle.

[Hoyt]

92. They still kill efficiently; otherwise, gun fanciers would have no interest in acquiring them.

[GGJohn]

93. Any firearm can kill efficiently, especially in the hands of someone

who knows how to use one, for instance, I kill very efficiently with my AR rifle and my bolt action .308.

[Hoyt]

98. How many so-called Assault Rifles did you brag about owning?

[GGJohn]

100. I didn't because I don't own any Assault Rifles. eom

[Hoyt]

108. No ARs or other semi-autos?

[GGJohn]

116. Those aren't Assault Rifles.

Let me guess, you think the AR in AR-15 stands for Assault Rifle or Automatic Rifle?

[Duckhunter935]

124. you would think Hoyt would know better by now

I know he has been informed at least a couple of hundred times now.

[Hoyt]

178. Nope. But they called an "assault rifle." In fact, they are marketed as that to you guys.

So how many of them do you have?

[GGJohn]

179. So, Hoyt, what does the AR stand for? eom.

[Hoyt]

180. Gun nomenclature doesn't interest me, but it stands for Armalite. Fact is, assault rifles are

guns made to look like military weapons to appeal to gunners. You do remember the infamous Bushmaster ad campaign directed at you guys (Bushmaster was the weapon of choice at Sandy Hook and a lot of gunners grabbed them up after that tragedy).




Fact is, these gunz are made to look like that to appeal to gunners' baser instincts. And, I bet Armalite and other gun manufacturers thought the "AR" designation was perfect because gunners love the idea of owning one -- or many -- assault rifles.

[GGJohn]

182. Took you a while to go look it up didn't it?

And those aren't Assault Rifles, they're nothing more than semi auto rifles, they operate the same exact way as my semi auto, magazine fed .22 rifle.

[Hoyt]

184. Semi-autos can kill about as many folks as auto -- Sandy Hook, Auoro, etc.

You guys would not be interested in these rifles if they were bolt action, has low capacity magazines, didn't look like weapons used to lay down a barrage in Iraq, etc.

Truthfully, semi-auto pistols are also a big concern and need to be restricted.

[Duckhunter935]

191. I actually like bolt action and semi-auto

Each has it uses. I do not care for the larger magazines. I stay with the originally designed 20 round magazines. I like the AR platform not do to the military look but the modular design that allows me to quickly convert to other calibers and barrel lengths. So no you do not know what we think. I think two of my favorites are older bolt action. Both of those are full military spec and have the dreaded bayonet lugs and I have the bayonets for them. My two AR platforms are not military spec. pistols already have restrictions in many states and are age restricted.

[Hoyt]

194. Yeah, the AR platform is a necessity for duck -- or any other type of -- hunting.

[Duckhunter935]

195. so just how many times do I have to tell you

I know this a few in the last two days, I guess I will have to save this to cut and paste for every time you say this same thing.

DUCKHUNTER IS FROM MY 20+ YEARS IN U.S. ARMY AIR DEFENSE ARTILLERY, THAT IS A NICKNAME FOR AN ADA SOLDIER. I DO NOT HUNT BUT TARGET SHOOT AT PAPER PLATES.

is that loud enough for you?

AR' do make great hunting rifles, but I do not hunt. Inform yourself if you are not scared to expand your knowledge, here are some good links.

http://www.nssf.org/msr/video/CloserLook.cfm
http://www.nssf.org/msr/

[Hoyt]

198. That's nice. You still promote guns here, and use a gun related reference in your user name.

I'll bet my rear, the "hunter" in your image, has a room full of lethal weapons at home that aren't used for hunting game.

[Duckhunter935]

202. not promoting, just saying they have uses

get one or not just don't tell me how to live my life.

Do you know what my avatar image is? It's an oozlefinch

Oozlefinch is the unofficial historic mascot of the Air Defense Artillery – and formerly of the U.S. Army Coast Artillery Corps. Oozlefinch is portrayed as a featherless bird that flies backwards (at supersonic speeds)[3] and carries weapons of the Air Defense and Coastal Artillery, most often a Nike-Hercules Missile. Oozlefinch has been portrayed in many different forms and artistic interpretations through its history.[4] Oozle's motto is "If it flies, it dies. Blazing skies." reinforcing the purpose of the Air Defense Artillery.

I know what you are again trying to do. You can try and get an emotional response for a hide all you want but I will not play.

I know there are hunters that use weapons for that purpose, I know some use them for home defense and I know some like me just like to target shoot and find it an enjoyable sport. A small minority use them for crime and even smaller amount for mass shootings.

[Fred Sanders]

187. So obvious. So revealing of the gunner mentality.

[Paladin]

190. An "assault rifle" is whatever the NY Times says it is, on any given day.

Better that than the definition which gun militants continuously try to impose, in an effort to end meaningful discussion on gun policy with unimportant details. Can't resist asking you as to your own personal "assault rifle" definition: are you one of the "traditionalists," i.e. do you hang with the Nazi German original that's been turning up in DU for years? Extra points for an honest answer.....

[Fred Sanders]

192. A "non-assault" semi-auto still kills real good, that is so undeniable. Sandy Hook is the evidence.

[Duckhunter935]

193. so you admit there is no

definition of an "assault Rifle" as it now can change any day, right?

[Paladin]

197. Here's what I'll admit:

Gun control advocates should not allow pro-gun militants full control of the vocabulary, causing discussions to be hijacked over and over and over again by unimportant, esoteric details. "Assault rifle," "clip," "magazine," "automatic," "semi-automatic," "brandish," "high capacity," "sniper rifle," et cetera. There are no pragmatic, constructive discussions on gun policy anymore, because you people use every opportunity to deflect and terminate such discussions over micro-definitions. This thread is a prime example. It's chicken-shit behavior on your part---this is an online discussion forum, not a senate mark-up session, so the differences between a "magazine" and a "clip" (still used interchangeably in my neck of the woods) shouldn't be turned into a life-or-death matter.

[Duckhunter935]

205. "It's chicken-shit behavior on your part"

so nice of you, I would think you would be above that. Truly sad.

[Hoyt]

208. Exactly, the gun nomenclature game they use is just a ruse.

Who cares if someone calls a "magazine" a "clip." Both are used to hold ammo so it can be fed into someone's gun. The fact someone doesn't know the difference, doesn't preclude someone from stating a valid opinion on gunz in our society or the people that covet and promote gunz.

[Duckhunter935]

211. That does not bother me that much

But it would be nice if people would at least gave some basic knowledge and try not to push false information. Machine guns, saying most rifles are fully auto when they are not. How a semi-automatic rifle functions. How many high capacity magazines are in the public. Why cosmetic features bans make no sense. Basic knowledge on a subject being debated helps with the constant misinformation being deliberately posted. Nobody should require perfection and I have made many mistakes myself.

[Hoyt]

213. Well, even colt 1911s are marketed as Automatics. Semi-autos are capable of firing rapidly.

One can pull the trigger pretty rapidly, that's why they are so popular.

And, consider this:

[Duckhunter935]

216. yep, some early semi-auto pistols were (NSFW pictures)

described and marketed a very long time ago as opposed to revolvers. A few still may use that term as a holdeover. This pretty much is no longer the case for most manufacturers, and are accurately now described as semi-automatic. That is due to one pull of the trigger for one shot, the function is the same in a 1911 or any semi-automatic pistol.

"And, consider this:"
Hell of a way to waste ammo and ruin the rifle. One reason why the military got away from full auto with the M16A2. Full auto not accurate, wastes ammo and is very bad on the weapon. Ban bump stocks, I think they are just a waste and have no legitimate use. That is quite unlike pistol grips.
But you do know you can do the same thing with a rubber band, are you going to now ban them?
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what is the difference on these? A little basic knowledge helps






answer 5 are semi-auto with one of those NY SAFE compliant and one is a pump style AR

Note to jury, this post is response to why a basic knowledge is helpful in a discussion. I have added the (NSFW) disclaimer as it has pictures of weapons to help prove a point.

Note to GD host, PM me if you think those pictures need to be edited out.

[Fred Sanders]

217. ^^^^^^^^GUN PORN warning^^^^^^^^^

[Duckhunter935]

218. I added a disclaimer

That post is to help prove how basic weapon knowledge is nice and the pictures help with that point. Did you do the same for the post I responded to from Hoyt? You know the one with the YouTube videos.

I am just curious

[Fred Sanders]

219. Pull the trigger, what is there to train on, a 2 year old can do it!

Still gun porn posting...

[Duckhunter935]

220. so Hoyt posted gun porn too?

are you calling him out also or is this just a single call out of a DU member as that might be a against DU rules.

[Hoyt]

223. I didn't post it for gunners' prurient interests.

[Duckhunter935]

224. I did not either, knowledge is power

I hope to educate people on some of the misinformation out there. Sometimes a picture is required.

So why did you post the videos of the bumpfiring of weapons, do tell?

Must have looked hard for the obese white guy as that does not even seem to show up in the Google search unless you type in "fat man bumpfire". I find that to be offensive if you did that.

[Duckhunter935]

225. amazing my question to Fred goes unanswered

but You can tell who exactly he is calling out in this thread, and that would only be a single person.

[Fred Sanders]

95. A two year in a shopping cart can kill an adult, they are all efficient in killing, it is what they do.

The gunner will try to impress you with their useles knowledge of these killing machines, but what do you really need to know about them if a child can kill so easily..."training" on a gun is like training on crayons.

[countryjake]

99. Who cares? Bullet-dispensers DO NOT belong in our capitol building!

Do they?

I couldn't give two figs what any particular firearm is capable of, it's the fanatics packing them that are the problem.

I'm so glad that my state is making an attempt to solve it, too.

[Fred Sanders]

106. Exactly. Parsing the firepower of each individual firearm in the gallery is pathetically deflective.

[countryjake]

132. Not only deflecting, I'd like to see him try telling the dope who had that old AR-10

(with belt ammo) that he didn't really own an assault rifle. Maybe he could testify in court for him (or "represent" him).

If you ever get around militia types in real life, the lengths that they'll go to show off their "defensive" firepower is laughable. At the "Will Not Comply" demo that they held last month in Olympia, people were there to take note of who was passing around specific dangerous weaponry during their defiance of I-594...once those idiots figured out that someone was taking names (and pics) they stashed their prides and joy to switch them out for modern ones, but it was too late. One of those "tyranny-talkers" was busted not long after, right before Xmas, and another one bit the dust last week, but I don't know yet if they got that family's questionable guns. These "faith, family and freedom" fanatics are such bold braggarts, it's very easy to pick them off in wa, one non-complier at a time.

'I Will Not Comply' organizer arrested in courthouse ruckus Jan 15, 2015

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/I-Will-Not-Comply-organizer-arrested-in-courthouse-ruckus-288770571.html

EAST WENATCHEE, Wash. -- One of the organizers of a December rally to protest a new expanded gun background check law was arrested Thursday for allegedly interfering with a Douglas County Court proceeding. Gavin Seim is accused of yelling at a judge and walking toward the bench during a Thursday hearing. When the judge ordered the 29-year-old to leave the court, Seim refused, according to the Douglas County Sheriff's Office.

When deputies tried to escort him out of the building, Seim resisted and tried to pull away, the sheriff's office said.

Seim, an Ephrata resident and self proclaimed "liberty speaker," was at the courthouse with 10-15 others to support 19-year-old Tavis T. Shasteen. Shasteen was arrested in November when he refused to show deputies his driver's license after being pulled over for speeding, according to the sheriff's office.

Douglass County Sheriff Harvey Gjesdal said Seim got upset when the judge would not allow him to represent Shasteen in court, despite not being an attorney. After Seim was arrested, several other supporters "began coming to the front of the courtroom apparently in an effort to interfere with the arrest," Gjesdal said.

"The Sheriff and two Deputies had to physically hold them back as they pressed to within a few feet of the front of the courtroom. They also tried to block the arresting Deputies as they attempted to leave the courtroom," the sheriff's office said in a Thursday press release.

[Fred Sanders]

133. Angry children, too immature to understand their sad lives are their fault, not the gubermint.

[OldRedneck]

87. Slap the dumb mofos in jail.

Every goddam one of them. Stupid, stupid.

And before anyone attacks me for being anti-gun, I own LOTS of firearms -- enough to fill two gun safes. I hunt, shoot, and kill groundhogs that invade my garden. I retired from the Army after 30 years with two tours in Vietnam -- both in the bush where I had LOTS of practice firing automatic weapons. Talk about open carry!!! THAT was open carry.

[GGJohn]

88. Slap them in jail for what?

They didn't violate any current laws at the time of this nonsense, now if they do it again, then they would be violating the law.

[Hoyt]

109. Creating a disturbance, impeding government, terrorism, public nuisance, etc.

[Fred Sanders]

113. Intimidation, public mischief, criminal negligence, endangering a child, general foolishness?

[GGJohn]

118. Apparently the authorities disagree with you.

Imagine that, you were wrong again, as usual.

[Hoyt]

136. Yeah, they were cool with the racist Bundy Ranch Militia. IIRC, you were too.

[GGJohn]

154. I was cool with the racist Bundy Ranch Militia?

Unless you can produce a link, then you're lying.
So, let's see the link of me saying I'm cool with the Bundy's.

[ncjustice80]

159. Lol read the reply again.

Unless you were one of the "authorities" or you have multiple personalities, "they" would be referring to the authorities, who gave Bundy the anarchist tax dodger a free pass at dodging taxes and mounting what was tantamount to an armed insurrection.

[GGJohn]

169. I don't need to re-read it,

I know exactly what Hoyt was alleging.
He said I was cool with the Bundy Ranch Militia, you're the one that needs to re-read the post.

Yeah, they were cool with the racist Bundy Ranch Militia. IIRC, you were too

.

[Duckhunter935]

171. maybe they need to reread that insult

seems like the controller side is cool with insults to DU firearms owners. I think that is very sad and am disappointed with them.

[beevul]

229. Laws aren't quite as flexible or maleable as group SOPs are. N/T

[Hoyt]

230. Maybe they ought to be when we allow terrorist gun nuts like that to intimidate people.

[beevul]

232. Ok. Since you admitted you robbbed people in the past, lets take you to jail first. N/T

[Duckhunter935]

233. I hope you are consistant

when it comes to some laws like on abortion, marijuana or freedom of speech/press.

[GGJohn]

238. Found that link yet Mr. Hoyt?

[samsingh]

204. agreed. they have a right to be there with all their guns.

[GGJohn]

237. Had. Past tense, they no longer are allowed, which is a good thing IMO. eom

[samsingh]

243. this is an attack on my 2A rights

[GGJohn]

244. No, not really.

Even Scalia said that states are free to enact reasonable restrictions, which, in this case, is reasonable.

[samsingh]

245. it's the tip of the iceburg. if we give in here

next they will take all our guns away.

[NickB79]

90. Seems fair

I have no problem with this. The mentality of open carry people is fucking scary.

[malaise]

96. See they can protect themselves

Looks like they're really worried that their own chickens are coming home to roost.
Ah well!

[Fred Sanders]

97. Looks like they all lead lonely, empty lives...pity that poor child they placed right in the middle.

Terrorism in houses of democracy.....the lawmakers instantly turned to gun control....to protect THEM.

Why would they do that with so many "patriots" in attendance? How do you tell if any of them is crazy until right before they kill you?

Skin color?

[malaise]

142. What disturbs me is why they are more afraid of what the 'skin color' folks

could do to them than they were afraid of what those 'lone wolves' have already done to those little children at the Sandy Hook school and all the other slaughters of innocents in malls, schools, cinemas, etc. You see Sandy Hook should have been the last straw for any sane persons. Gun control should have passed the next day.

Perhaps its because they know blow back when they see it. Thanks Bush, Cheney Rumsfeld et al. Garlands my ass!!!

[progressoid]

101. Damn them! They're infringing on our right to keep and bear backpacks!

It's Nazi Germany all over again.

[rhett o rick]

102. Now hold on a second. When it comes to their safety they ban guns but don't give

a crap about our safety?

[Chemisse]

103. Gee, ya think?

No umbrellas, no backpacks, but hmmm, what about guns?

[Fred Sanders]

107. The back pack could be concealing a gun? Take it out and brandish it though, good to go?

[BeyondGeography]

104. So prior to this incident umbrellas were banned but guns were cool

[SwankyXomb]

125. Well sure

an umbrella could have a flamethrower in it, or fire poison gas, or some other Penguin-esque weapon.

[Fred Sanders]

126. Maybe they are prohibited because they are not harmless inanimate objects? Like a gun.

[AleksS]

212. That's an interesting thought:

Would an umbrella gun be OK?

I mean it's not actually an umbrella, right?

[Arugula Latte]

105. Can we get every idiotic gun nut in one massive circle and then,

well, let nature take its course.

[Fred Sanders]

111. How come gunners have no problem registering their kids with the government, but not their killing

machines?

American Vipers.

[Hoyt]

112. Really, pop a bag or something and watch em duck.

[Fred Sanders]

114. They would need an "American Diaper". My next film project about gunners in America.

[GGJohn]

121. LOL.

It's hilarious just reading the posts of people like you, people who have no fucking idea of what you're talking about.

[Cha]

117. Stupid. Yeah, Protest "extended background checks" .. because that might actually

help in keeping a gun out of the wrong person's possession.

[Fred Sanders]

119. A scene from my soon to be released sequel to American Sniper......

"American Diaper", starring Ted Nugent, as the diaper wearing sniper, and Mike Huckabee as the diaper store owner.

:large

[Matrosov]

127. We should support open carry demonstrations

Few things are as effective at getting apathetic voters to the polls and having them take a stand against guns than Billy Bob and Earl running around with their AK47s out in public. Open carry advocates should organize a few more rallies at grocery stores and restaurants.

[Fred Sanders]

129. No, we should not. We should continue to mock them and their lawmaker enablers. No support.

[jeff47]

200. No, they're white. It won't work.

On the other hand, arming minorities has been very effective in the past at getting gun control legislation passed.

[Fred Sanders]

201. "Black Panther Open Carry March" will have them scrambling for gun control faster than you can say

"Guns are just inanimate objects".

I may be changing my mind about all that...

[secondvariety]

128. If these half wits

weren't on law enforcement's radar before, they certainly are now.

[valerief]

131. So that state's lawmakers will protect themselves but no one else? nt

[gopiscrap]

135. Fucking gun humpers!

[ND-Dem]

137. The guy in that picture looks like a Nazi. I can't wrap my mind around nuts with guns in the

capitol building. looks like a coup.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

138. The OC people are starting to go nuts in Texas(!) as well

Seriously will never get the need/desire to "open carry" guns pretty much anywhere in this country. We don't live in the kind of anarchic "Mad Max" society they (and the NRA) obviously think we do. Of course, in some cases, I'm sure it's about flaunting their right to do so, but it still just doesn't make any sense to me.

[Fred Sanders]

144. Gun nuts are being used as pawns by those in power exactly as religious nuts are used. Useful Idiots.

Useful to terrorize.

Domestic terrorists........except they are white, so they can not be?

[Orrex]

143. Suppose an equal number of black gun owners storm Mississippi's capital

I'm sure that they'd be treated with respect and dignity.

[Fred Sanders]

145. I would like a minority gun nut group to do the same on the same day the white gun nut group goes.....

What could go wrong?

Is there even such a thing as a non-white gun nut group confusing guns with anything useful?

[Orrex]

147. Months ago my local "gun shop" had some sort of "bring out yer guns" rally.

I thought of inviting several of my friends from work, but I didn't want them to get shot.

[Fred Sanders]

148. White privilege is made more powerful when white folks have black guns. Like the police.

And you are right.

This is an example of white privilege so obvious it sears the eyeballs.

I may be angry at all the gun nuts as pictured above, and all the gun nut apologists who write their apologies above and defend the talking points of the NRA as if no one notices, but I have more pity than anger.

And mostly I am angry at the fucking gloom and doom, sky is falling, Earth is opening up, hair is on fire, mass media that has endless airtime for a fucking cruise ship without toilets and fucking terror coverage without end, fucking disappearing and crashing planes, fucking endless, unbroken repetitive coverage, but nada for the domestic terrorist so blithely secure in their terrorism thst they pose for a fucking photo-op in an institutional democracy they openly say they would destroy.

[underpants]

146. What, were they high?

[Fred Sanders]

149. Fox News and hate radio and TV IS a drug.

[Diclotican]

150. Fred Sanders

Fred Sanders

In most other countries - is weapons strictly regulated in the first place - and I doubt you would be able to get weapons inside any of the different parliaments in most countries - in most cases it is just the police who guard the parliament who would be allowed having guns on the premises of a parliament - or in this case a capitol where lawmakers was doing their job...

In my view - the whole things with 2 amendment and all that have going off the tracks in the US for a long time - it have going from having any resemble of sensible objections to be allowed to have a weapon or two in house - to be about treating everyone who disagree with you on the subject of having the right to have weapons in your home... And by the way - in the early 1800s I doubt they had to many AR-15 or AK47 on them when they was part of a larger militisa defending the homestead - or the State against enemies....

The whole thing is just madness if you ask me.. But then again Im not american and I guess Im not able to understand how important it is to have a weapon in your house...

Diclotican

[Fred Sanders]

151. Even as gun laws are the loosest they have been, ever, it is still the position of the gun nuts

that Obama is coming for their guns.....any time now....it is all a clever plan to suddenly grab them....

They have all been drugged by the poison of Fox News. There is no antidote, they are lost and angry, and the gun, an average of almost 7 per gun owner now, 300 million total, is their mental soothing lotion.

[trumad]

155. Fred I love you

I love anyone who can get under the skin of gun nuts, MRA idiot's, etc.

[Fred Sanders]

156. I get under their skin and I keep burrowing..I am not trying to change their gun obsessed minds, I

am trying the best I can on my little keyboard on this tiny website to make sure no one else gets trapped in the same mindset.

And since my gun nut fan club obsesses on every word anyone types about them, anywhere on the site, it is a riot. Their literary skills are matched only by the pathetic nature of their obvious NRA cut and paste propaganda. I hate pessimists, and who is more pessimistic than a gun nut?

And you have not seen a thick skin until you see mine.

[trumad]

173. I have my own little gang of small penis MRA types,

sitting in their parents basements, Cheeto stained fingers, wearing 10 day old underwear, wife beater T-shirts, with constant screaming begging their poor mothers to leave them alone! "MOM---WHAT I'M DOING IS IMPORTANT HERE---MAKING SURE TRUMAD ISN'T MAKING FUN OF US AND OUR MOVEMENT".

Teh intertubes is weird.

[Fred Sanders]

181. They seem unaware of how childishly shrill they are, look at how they defend the gunners, yet

complain of being persecuted on a liberal site....exposing them for all to see.

Mission accomplished.

[GGJohn]

183. LOL. This gets funnier with every post.

[Hoyt]

185. Yes, the gunner responses do get funny.

[GGJohn]

186. At least we have a sense of humor, unlike the anti's. eom.

[Duckhunter935]

246. and they are the same ones

that say they do not post insults about DU members. This sub-thread just proves it once again how uncivil some of the pro-controller side are. I find it truly sad.

[GGJohn]

175. LOL!!! You? Get under our skin?

The only thing you do regarding the firearms issue is spout nonsense, hurl insults, make subtle allegations and when confronted with an obvious falsehood and asked for proof or links, your tendency is to run away and hide.
Get under our skin? Funniest thing you've said all week.

[lark]

164. What a difference in governance!!

Washington State makes the sensible decision to ban these types of intimidating displays before someone gets out of hand and they turn into a bloodbath. Texas is so stupid, they just install panic buttons. WTF difference will that make? Bullets are faster than running cops and people would die before anyone could respond. But, oh no, guns are the altar they worship upon, so can't stand any limits on those!! IDIOTS. There will be a penalty paid for this stupidity, just hope it's paid by those responsible and not by some reasonable Dem who voted against the insanity.

[riversedge]

188. In WI-they are allowed in Capitol Building but not in lawmaker offices......

To me that is just protecting yourself!--to hell with the public in the building.

[CanSocDem]

174. Now that cannabis is....

...more widely accepted, this kind of thoughtful analysis of current anti-democratic behaviours, will be more prevalent and will likely lead to a toning down of the public rage. Like it has for the past few decades...



.

[cascadiance]

199. This started when gun nuts stormed Oregon's capitol building 2 years ago...

... to protest potential new gun legislation in the aftermath of the Clackamas mall shooting here and Sandy Hook's disaster that happened a few days later. Democrats had a narrow advantage in the Senate that was nullified by a DINO that kept such legislation from being passed.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/11/1567701/armed-pro-gun-protesters-occupy-oregon-state-capitol/



I think that incident by itself might have helped heavily in getting the Democrats to gain two seats in the last election and get enough to pass some legislation next year that might help regulate fire arms more here. Even though many here including myself hate corruption money in elections, this last year Bloomberg's gun control group in addition to funding the woefully (and thankfully) measure 90 to try to screw parties out of power in primary elections, funded key races here in Oregon that helped the Governor win reelection and the Dems picking up two state senate seats (including my new state senator).

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/09/bloomberg_gun_control_group_en.html

Republicans in Washington if you are browsing the posts here. Perhaps YOU might want to MUZZLE your muzzle nuts in the state legislature, or Bloomberg might come after you in the next Washington state legislative elections to put more gun regulation in your state next election too! Not that I'll be that unhappy if they do so. Either that, or perhaps you will see the wisdom of passing state wide measures to lead to a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizen's United if you don't like what happened and will happen in Oregon in the legislature, and what will likely happen in your state too!

[samsingh]

203. this is the one place where guns should be allowed in all forms

fully armed, open, multiple.

let the lawmakers experience the second amendment in all its permutations, made up interpretations, and lies to promote gun sales.

[mfr4]

209. Good guy????

Just can't help but think that a mean looking asshole walking around with his finger on the trigger is just a bit suspicious.

[Fred Sanders]

214. ...................

[Shamash]

215. When is a gun owner -not- a gun nut?

I think in Fred's view, a gun owner is not a "gun nut" if they are properly deferential to gun control advocates, do not insist on public displays of their rights, and make no effort to improve their lot through legislative means.

Even so, he would not want one to marry his sister.

This personal assessment of Fred's character is brought to you without any sense of irony whatsoever on MLK day.

[RationalMan]

222. I live in Georgia which has one of the most liberal carry policies in the nation.....

but I still think you cannot carry any weapon, open carry or concealed into the state house. I could be wrong that it is only open carry but the legislators realized the risk of nut cases coming into the legislature with guns and didn't want to risk an "incident".

[Duckhunter935]

226. Oklahoma is no carry in government

buildings. Kind of a no-brainer.

[Ed Suspicious]

235. They're so fucking stupid! Gunners and tea-billies are really something.