Bully Gets Destroyed After Mocking Schoolmate’s Dead Sister NSFW

[UglyGreed]

We’re all taught violence is wrong, but what would you do if a bully kept making cruel comments about your dead baby sister?

On Jan. 16, JustTexasThings posted a link to a video on Reddit with the caption, “Bully mocking girl’s dead sibling gets her ass handed to her!” We still know nothing beyond what we see and hear in the video footage and what JustTexasThings tells us:

A teenage girl’s baby sister died somehow and a bully — a larger girl — kept tormenting her with cruel comments. The girl finally lost her temper and beat the crap out of her bully in the school yard, while a handful of classmates egged her on and someone captured the entire thing on video.

The video footage itself is truly brutal and disturbing. The girl grabs the bully, pulls her down, then becomes the bully. She starts off pummelling her enemy’s face with her fists nonstop until the second girl can’t get up, then stands up and starts kicking her in the head. And for the entire excruciating two minutes, the girl’s one-time tormentor keeps screaming, “b*tch get off me!” and “I get the point!” You almost feel bad for her, until you realize that not once does she say she’s sorry for mocking her schoolmate’s dead sister.


http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/18/bully-gets-destroyed-after-mocking-schoolmates-dead-sister-for-the-last-time-video-nsfw/

[trumad]

1. The girl should be arrested and spend some jail time.

That was excessive.

[lame54]

4. it's called a breaking point...

She probably put up with it for days

[LiberalArkie]

7. If not longer.

[H2O Man]

9. Which one?

[trumad]

20. H

The minute she kicked that girl in the head I lost sympathy.

[Katashi_itto]

18. BS. I was bullied for almost three years in High School. Daily unbelievable Hell

The mocking, the taunts, the cruelty, the beatings.

I got tired of it, trained in karate. Went back at the last day of school for the summer and put two of the three in the hospital.

It was the best day of my entire high school.

I never once regretted it.

Good for the girl that was being bullied.

[trumad]

21. Well I'm glad you didn't kill them...

Cause we might not be having this conversation.

[Katashi_itto]

23. My only regret is not doing enough damage to the leader.

I only knocked out two of his teeth. Along with stitches and such.

Looking back I would have preferred he would have had to drink his food for the rest of his life.

But oh well.

[Humanist_Activist]

151. Wow, just wow, you are a wanna be little psychopath, aren't you?

Considering how proud you are of putting people in the fucking hospital, you must be a joy to be around.

ON EDIT: Of course, most likely, you made the story up as a petty revenge fantasy, but the fact that you brag about it is telling.

[AgingAmerican]

159. I went to Jr High with a girl

Whose name rhymed with 'Dead Fish'. She had coke bottle bottom glasses and was very homely. Whenever she walked down the hallways of the school, a bunch of the more 'popular' boys would follow her around taunting her calling her, 'Dead Fish.' They would fake like they were choking and gagging whenever she got near and she would silently endure it.

I was in history class the first day of the quarter in the 9th grade, and the teacher could find nobody willing to sit next to her, so I volunteered. I just felt sorry for her. No girls ever stuck up for her either. I had to put up with some shit for sitting next to her, but it was nothing compared to what she endured.

She disappeared from school mid 9th grade. I think her parents finally heard what was happening and pulled her out. I still think about that girl and what it must have been like for her being the object of such derision from boys in the middle of her formative years. I am sure that she is still scarred by it today. Last I heard she was in an alternative high school.

The girl sticking up for her dead sister definitely overreacted in pounding her tormentor, but in cases of abject cruelty, and this sort of thing rises to that level, I don't have much sympathy for the bully.

[Humanist_Activist]

162. I was pulled out of middle school due to bullying, I was beaten up on an almost daily basis...

it continued into high school. When I did attempt to fight back, it got worse.

If I had a choice, I would say the verbal bullying was nothing compared to the physical. Oh, and the middle school Principal wouldn't deal with the situation by saying to my mom "boys will be boys."

[NCTraveler]

158. This is disguisting. You are a violent and barbaric individual.

I could care less what put you in that position. You yearning to do extreme and lasting harm to very young people is beyond wrong. You actually said "looking back." You thoughts are still there today. Thoughts of extreme violence toward children. Sick. You seem to have learned nothing from their bullying. The thought of violence, in the same scope they did to you, is dripping on every word of yours. Truly sorry you weren't able to learn from the negatives from your experiences and simply became that which you hate. Someone who puts a smiley at the end of extremely violent thoughts.

"Looking back I would have preferred he would have had to drink his food for the rest of his life. "

[AgingAmerican]

160. Were you bullied?

I suspect it isn't easy to just 'get over it'.

[Telcontar]

161. Welcome to the Human Race

The violent and barbaric survive and have offspring. Those that don't are tolerated, until they're not.

[joeglow3]

165. Spoken like someone who most like was the bully

All these years later, they think all that needs to be said is "I'm sorry." Clearly you don't understand the lifelong pain and hurt you caused people.

[Katashi_itto]

24. The funny thing was my Mother kept going to the school and they would do nothing

She enrolled me in karate classes and got me to restart in the family tradition of Kendo too.

She sat me down and told me I needed to learn to deal with this. Because the authorities were not going to.

[BlueJazz]

43. I think you did a great service for the populace. Perhaps the idea of torturing someone else...

...will require them to think. "Ah...maybe that's not a good idea"

[Katashi_itto]

70. ...thanks

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[BlueJazz]

95. But...But...I like Pretentious dribble....That's 90 percent of my shitty posts.

[Katashi_itto]

111. My bad

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[Katashi_itto]

144. Hey! I appologize

I completely misread your post the wrong way

Very sorry I thought you were blaming me. I had just read that other persons post saying I was at fault and was pissed.

[BlueJazz]

145. No big deal. I just thought that maybe you were having a bad day.

We're OK !

[phil89]

33. Your praise of violence is disgusting.

Completely immoral.

[Gemini Cat]

34. Your lack of understanding is confusing.

Completely troubling.

[Katashi_itto]

35. Lol...! So glad to know your the arbitrator of morals

Funniest thing I have read today.

[Frank Cannon]

47. Someone really needs to have been there to understand it.

My experience with delivering richly deserved comeuppances to bullies is that there are at least 10 other kids rooting for you, wishing they could be doing the same thing.

[Katashi_itto]

52. Your dead on. These guys terrorized everyone.

[Stellar]

156. I know this is kind of Off topic, but...

your post reminds me of a letter that was posted on the news here in Chicago about a kid (13yrs old), who I believe appears to be scared to death. My understanding is that he wrote a letter to 'Santa' and this is what he said.

I would like to ask you something but first Imma tell you about me. I'm a black African American I stand 5'10" I'm in the 7th grade. My favorite subject is math. I have 2siblings living with me and I'm the only boy on my moms side of the family. But anyway, all I ask for is safety. I just want to be safe.

He lives in a very rough neighborhood in Chicago (Englewood) where the gangs and the police are everywhere. I don't really think he believes in 'Santa' or that his letter would go anywhere, but he was writing about his feelings. The letter was forwarded to the President instead of Santa, and Michelle has invited him to the SOTU this Tuesday.

I think when you are truly afraid you will do what it take to limit the fear as you did and this kid did the same. Thank you for sharing you story.

[Downtown Hound]

114. People like you are the reason bullies exist

You blame the victims for standing up for themselves. The victims of bullying are often afraid to stand up for themselves because they know if they do so, they get in trouble. Bullies have counted on pansies like you since the dawn of time to get away with their shit, which is why they hardly ever throw the first punch. They just torment and torment and torment until their victim cracks and then gets in trouble for standing up for themself. The damage done by bullying is often just as great if not greater than the damage done by physical violence. But idiots like you just expect victims to take it and take it and take it and never hit back. As far as I'm concerned people like you are just as guilty as those who do the bullying themselves.

[Jamastiene]

137. I don't agree with calling anyone a pansy, but

a person shouldn't be judged quite so harshly for defending themselves. Bullies sometimes do need an attitude adjustment. Actually, if they had had enough of an attitude adjustment at home, they wouldn't be bullies in most cases. I'm not saying parents should beat children who start to show the signs of being a bully, but find ways to teach them why they should not be a bully. There are plenty of ways to teach them why they should not make so many enemies that way and torture people that way without more violence. A lot of violence could be avoided at every end of the spectrum if kids who start bullying are taught early on to stop doing that.

If someone has taken it and taken it and taken it from a bully and the authorities, teachers, other adults around them haven't helped, they have every right to defend themselves. When no one else is going to help them, they have to do what they can to survive that kind of situation. To expect someone to just take shit from bullies is not only unfair to the person being bullied, it is insulting.

[Katashi_itto]

143. I view people like you as worse than bullies. You are enablers of bullies.

You'll ignore the ongoing torture of the victim but blame the victim for defending themselves.

You lack any kind of moral or ethical standing.

Disgusting.

[Humanist_Activist]

150. I'm sorry, who was "defending themselves" in the video above? n/t

[joeglow3]

167. I am guessing you and I will have two different answers to that question

[Humanist_Activist]

170. Let me put it this way, no one deserves to get beat up, for any reason whatsoever.

Its really that simple.

[joeglow3]

174. Let me tell you a story

There was a boy who was bullied every day. Kids called him horrible names, verbally attacked his family and would corner him every day. He went home in tears every day and tried to hide it. His parents finally got out of him what was going on and they immediately went to the school. The administrators told them they would take care of.

Once the kids were talked to, they knew who had told on them and things escalated to the point of physically pushing and verbally tormenting him. His parents could not afford to move or send him to a different district, so they went back to the school and the pattern repeated itself.

This story of a friend of ours ended when their son put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. While I don't advocate permanent harm, if I have to choose between a victim kicking the ever living shit out of a bully and the victim putting a gun in their mouth, I will pick the ass kicking every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

And people can shove the idea that "no one deserves to get beat up" straight up their ass.

[SteveG]

49. Sadly I have to agree with you

I was bullied by a neighbor's kid all through elementary school. I don't know how many times he beat me up. He was always bigger than I. Then one day when I was 12 and in 7th grade, I heard by younger brother (he was 6) yelling like he was in trouble. I went to the front door and saw the bully swinging my brother around by his neck. I really don't remember what happened next, except what I was told later. Apparently when I had him down on the ground, sitting on him holding his ears and pounding his head into the concrete sidewalk. I came close to killing him. He was out of school for the rest of the week, and when he came back he had a bald spot on the back of his head. He also stayed as far away from me as he could.

I learned a few things about myself from that experience, first I can only be pushed so far, second I have it within me to kill another human being, very scary stuff to find out about yourself when you are 12 years old. No charges were filed against me, apparently enough kids had seen what had happened and that I had gone to the defense of my brother who was being strangled.

Looking back on this 52 years later, I don't regret going to the defense of my brother, nor that I severely hurt the bully. What I do regret is the loss of conscience control over my actions. I have never before or since been in a blind rage like that, and have worked hard to prevent being in a situation that could send me into such a rage.

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. Cool story

[Flatulo]

138. Good for you! Bullying can ruin ones life; the effects are

not unlike PTSD. No one has the right to torture another. And that's what it is - torture. The effects of bullying last a lifetime, affecting ones ability to trust and to love forever.

I'm not in favor of the death penalty for bullies, but a trip to the emergency room can do a world of goid. Bullies lack the ability to empathize with their victims, so they have to learn through other mechanisms.

- one who knows

[joshdawg]

32. Oh, I don't know.

The girl was defending her dead sister from a smack-talking bully. What would you have done?
Excessive? No, because the other girl never apologized. "I get the point" is not an apology.
If someone was bad-mouthing my dead brother, I'd probably do the same. If the bully was much bigger, I'd bring along an equalizer.
Amazing what a Louisville Slugger can do besides hit a baseball.
But hey, I respect your opinion. That's all mine is....just an opinion.

[phil89]

37. Violence is never

an appropriate response to words/speech. Minimizing her crime is morally wrong. And advocating use of a baseball bat?? Hope you stay in control of your life. Absolutely sickening.

[joshdawg]

39. Well, then, what would you do?

Invite the bully for a beer? A picnic? A family outing?
I have control in my life. I'm not minimizing any crime......well, except for pot possession. That shouldn't be a "crime."
And I see you took the baseball bat thing out of context. (heavy sigh)
And violence is sometimes an appropriate response to words/speech, not always, but sometimes. Otherwise, that hateful speech
will never end.
But, as I stated in my previous post, it is just my opinion........just as your opinion is just yours.

[joeglow3]

168. Something tells me you were the bully back in the day

[Renew Deal]

42. I wouldn't convict

[polly7]

48. Sometimes you reach a point when it's just too much.

I did the same to a girl who was bullying my best friend way back in junior high. I'm not proud of it, but she cried every single day, and not one teacher would help. She died of cancer about a year later and all her bullies were at her funeral so sad, claiming how close they were to her. Still makes me sick to think about what they put her through, and if I saw one of them today I'd still be tempted to tell them where to go and how to get there. I'm against violence now, but at that age I just blew up. I feel very sad at what the girl went through, being mocked over her dead little sister - some people just deserve what they get.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. I'd add that everyone who stood around watching a defenseless person get beaten should be ashamed.

Even a beat-down has a moment when it reaches the state of diminishing returns.

When the girl getting beaten was no longer able to defend herself, someone should have stepped up an put it to an end.

[polly7]

68. She wasn't defenseless. nt.

[cherokeeprogressive]

78. She was no longer defending herself. Had it been a boxing match; the referee would have stopped it.

[polly7]

92. The girl giving her an ass-kicking was egged on and took it too far,

but the bully had the same ability to defend herself in the beginning and could have. Why didn't she? She was big and tough enough to torment this poor girl about her dead sister - bullies are always like that though, when it comes to face-to-face conflict, they either run or get what's coming to them. But yes, I agree it went too far.

[Downtown Hound]

115. Bullshit

The girl got up and walked away. She was pretty much okay. Which is unfortunate, in my opinion. You don't make fun of somebody grieving for a lost loved one EVER. As far as I'm concerned she deserved a few broken bones for that shit.

[trumad]

117. Internet tough guys..

[joeglow3]

169. Or, a realist who has endured what that person has endure

But, calling people names sure feels better. I bet you were also one of those bullies back in the day.

[MannyGoldstein]

131. Unfortunately, that's all that some people understand

And if adults won't deal with it and make it stop... Well, hopefull she really did get the point that time.

[malaise]

2. But but but

freedom of speech

[belzabubba333]

41. yep never any shortage of hypocrisy on du

one could see the bully as charlie hebdo and the attacker aqap

[dsc]

55. one could if he had no sense

There is a massive difference between a paper that is sold to less than 1/10 of 1 percent of the nation meaning one would have to go out of ones way to actually read it and a bully who is in your face repeatedly and impossible to ignore. That said, the description of the video sounds like the kid went to far but it is totally different.

[belzabubba333]

63. you mean your definition of sense b/c the two situations while not the same seem very similar to me

[ForgoTheConsequence]

83. Or...one could see the bully as fundamentalist religion.

Pushing around gays and women. Charlie Hebdo is using non violent means to go after bullies.

[sibelian]

93. What did you just say?

?

Are you quite mad? You think this is equivalent to killing cartoonists?

[tabasco]

112. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......

[exboyfil]

3. Well you also have the case in Florida

where a middle school girl commented about a boy's brother who had committed suicide. He got steel toed boots on and kicked her in the head multiple times. She has permanent brain damage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/22/wayne-treacy-sentenced-josie-lou-ratley-beating_n_2000504.html

I was bullied quite a bit as a child. I never responded to verbal only to physical threats or battery.

[Stephen Retired]

5. "Kick her in the face!"

Another coward with a cell phone.

[Ilsa]

6. Why didn't any other classmates

Intervene with the bully who tormented her? They could have told her that they would beat her up if she didn't stop.

I think the on-lookers should face punishment for encouraging the beating to continue and not reporting the bullying in the first place.

[1StrongBlackMan]

10. Now see ...

Report the tormenting bully? ... that's just authoritarianism thought!

No, seriousily ... I'm hating this "World Star Viral Video" nation we are becoming ... girl clearly getting her a$$ beat (whether deserved or not) and people stand around watching (and videoing) ... no one intervenes to break it up?

[trumad]

19. The way I see it...

The girl beating up the alleged bully....yes I use the word alleged because how many times have we seen that two sides of a story are simetimes different.

The minute the girl stepped on the alleged bullies head.....it was no longer a simple fight.

What if that one kick killed the girl or....as noted above in another post, caused that girl to have brain damage.

She took it way to far. Mho

[1StrongBlackMan]

28. Agreed. n/t

[tblue]

94. Agree. That was egregious.

Not saying she didn't have a reason to go off on the bully, but that was just wrong. You don't kick people in the head. You just don't.

[tblue37]

129. Cops do. I see videos all the time of cops kicking people--often handcuffed,

nonresisting people, in the head and face. I can't imagine how *anyone* can haul off and kick another person in the head or face, regadless of whether the person is a bully or is suspected of a crime.

[MohRokTah]

8. .

[7962]

13. Exactly what I thought of!!

[yuiyoshida]

116. omg me too..

damn Television, exposing me to too much epic craziness over the years. Its one of the reasons why I dumped my TV for the internet.

[PeteSelman]

11. Sometimes a good old fashioned asskicking is in order.

This was one of those times.

[vlyons]

12. Where were the adults? teachers? parents?

Why wasn't the 1st bully's parents informed that their daughter was a bully? Why didn't the 2nd girl go back into the school and ask to speak with a teacher or the principal?

[sarge43]

16. How do we know they didn't report the problem?

And were blown off. "Kids will be kids." "That doesn't sound so bad." "Just walk away." &quot unspoken but often the case) Her parents are dirtbag trouble makers; we don't want to tangle with them. We tried but doesn't do any good. Parents are power players in town; we don't want to be litigated to death."

[Bettie]

58. This is what happens

far too often.

Two of the major bullies in our school are the children of a lawyer who is on the school board.

Guess how often his kids get called out on their behavior? They bully other kids in front of teachers and everyone knows to just let it go or the dad will make everyone's life a little more miserable.

[alfredo]

31. That doesn't work. They learn bullying from their parents.

[7962]

14. Wonder how many other people she's bullied?

[glasshouses]

15. It could be a cheap life lesson for both of them

The girl clearly had reached the point of rage but sometimes this is the only
thing a bully understands.

[cwydro]

17. I won't watch these "girl fight" videos.

Something has gone very wrong in our society that these things are applauded and encouraged.

[whathehell]

22. Are they, in your opinion, worse than "boy fight" videos?

I do agree that our society seems to be going nuts.

[cwydro]

27. of course not.

But this "girl fight" thing seems to be a relatively new phenomenon.

It's awful.

[whathehell]

38. "Of course not"?

Sorry, but your wording didn't necessarily give that impression -- Glad

to hear it though.

[Are_grits_groceries]

84. No it's not.

I taught many years ago. I hated it when the girls would fight. When they got mad enough to fight, all bets were off. EVERYTHING goes. Boys generally have 'rules.' They won't pull hair, slap, etc.

If 2 boys were fighting, I would try to stop them carefully. If it was 2 girls, I called the admins.

[cwydro]

102. Well, when I grew up

60s and 70s - it was unheard of.

[Are_grits_groceries]

106. Not where I taught. nt

[BrotherIvan]

113. I agree

I was once teaching in a middle school and all of a sudden, before the bell had rung, two girls start fighting in the corner. They looked like they were going to kill each other quite literally: scratching at the eyes, hair pulling, banging the other's head against a wall. I ran up but their desks where they had pushed them were in front of them. I didn't know what to do and was afraid of touching them for fear of what I might be accused of. But I had to stop it. So I grabbed the hood of the closest girl's sweatshirt and yanked her back, then jumped in between them. I took a couple of shots, but finally they couldn't get at each other so they stopped. There was no way a proctor or administrator would have gotten there in time and I knew the most important thing is that someone wasn't seriously hurt. I pretty much expected to lose my job, but figured that was not the highest priority in that moment. I didn't because the girls didn't make a think out of it. Probably just fought after school.

Kids fighting in school is brutal and there isn't much you can do besides yell and try to get them to stop. I'm always happy when a peer steps in to pull them off because adults have to be very careful when touching a kid. It's really bad now and not for me.

[calimary]

90. Actually no not so much.

There was this thing called Roller Derby that was on TV a long time ago. The "best" parts - that everybody tuned in hoping to see - were the fights between the young women on the rink. And they would POUND on each other with bloodthirsty abandon. Lucky they wore helmets! The announcer was a guy named Dick Lane - whose signature phrase was "Whoa Nelly!!!"

[FrodosPet]

25. I'm not going to say I approve

But I understand.

When you beat down a bully, they quit bullying you. Sometimes, your former bully even ends up as your "green grocer".

Or so I've heard!

[chervilant]

26. Here's what I don't understand:

why is our species so voyeuristic that people can watch such a video, knowing they won't be able to get those images out of their memory once they're embedded? Why are we so attracted to such negative experiences? Anyone?

(BTW, I will not watch such horrific videos. I cannot.)

[jeff47]

57. Because a hell of a lot of us were bullied.

And that bully getting some violence returned upon them is cathartic.

[chervilant]

71. Catharsis is an interesting reason.

Did you watch the video? Did it help?

[jeff47]

73. Didn't watch the video.

Stories of bullies getting violence returned upon them do make me happy in a very unpleasant way. So I don't watch the videos.

[chervilant]

81. Well, I cannot watch such videos,

because I cannot "unsee" the inhumane violence. I have been bullied most of my life, both as a child (called egghead, Einstein, Great White Whale, etc) and as an adult (by petty, insecure supervisors, and--ironically--by family members who perceive my personal recovery work as a judgment call on their own lack thereof).

I have only recently learned to establish and render sacrosanct personal boundaries that protect me from such derisive and hurtful behavior. I have very limited interactions with my family. And, the first time someone indicates to me that they have bullying tendencies is the time I walk away from any further interactions with that individual.

[cwydro]

142. I was bullied

and I never would have responded that way.

I didn't watch the video. Judging from the comments here, it must be horrific

[Inkfreak]

29. I dunno how I'd react if I was that girl being bullied.

Emotions are a funny thing. I do know I would have intervened at some point. The watching and cheering is a bit disgusting. I'll wager the bully won't be so callous with her comments to people again, though.

[alfredo]

30. I had a short fuse as a kid. If bullied, I'd fight back.

Sometimes I got my ass kicked, but sometimes I got the desired results.

[The Wizard]

36. Apparently

the bully was unpopular with the other kids. Maybe the girl getting the snot beat out of her was bullied by the other kids and retaliated by saying horrible things to the girl who bullied her in the past.
The problem with a short video is we don't get the mitigating circumstances that led to the fight.

[Bohemianwriter]

40. It's called....poetic justice....

The bigger one needed to be taught a lesson for good....

[exboyfil]

45. Kicked in the head?

Even if the other girl had gotten physical this is way beyond defending yourself. I was bullied often as a child and resulted to my fists occasionally when it got physical (the other person always started the physical stuff - I could care less about words). I would never consider mounting and punching and kicking in the head. I was fortunate to never be in such a fight - everyone of mine was broken up before that happened.

Recently in Omaha a child died after being hit. In this case it was clear self defense since the dead child was an aggressor, and it was one punch and done. If he had continued the assault after the other child was on the ground he probably would have been charged with manslaughter.

http://www.wowt.com/home/headlines/Bluffs-Student-in-Hospital-After-Fight-277256441.html

[TheKentuckian]

64. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. You attack people for your jollies then

be prepared for the consequences including the ultimate one and it is 100% your own wicked fault.

If you really wanted to live you'd refrain from tormenting others for no fucking reason. Chalk it as a suicide.

[trumad]

119. what death?

Is that what you areat saying?

[TheKentuckian]

127. The potential one feared from the bully getting the script flipped on them the poster was discussing

Blows to the head, whatever it is falls within the lines of "don't start nothing, won't be nothing".

If you get off by beating people up and they should happen to kill you when they defend.themselves you just committed suicide.

[Humanist_Activist]

152. I'm assuming you are talking about the girl that STARTED the fight.

Otherwise your post only makes sense to middle schoolers and the emotionally immature.

[TheKentuckian]

180. I'm not speaking specifically to this incident but in general about violent bullies

Pollyanna psychobabble is not emotional maturity.

[Taitertots]

44. Violence in response to insults is never acceptable

Every time I read a story like this I shocked to find how many people on DU go around attacking people who tease them while claiming to be the victim in the situation. I hear a lot of excuses, but it's almost always just violent people looking for an excuse to beat someone up without feeling guilty about it.

[Bettie]

46. Violence is never a good solution

However, these days, you report bullying and nothing is done. It is put down to 'kids being kids'. You hear that 'there are two sides to every story and the bully says the bullied kid started it'.

Sometimes people reach a point where they simply can't do it anymore.

So, while violence is never a good solution, there comes a time when it seems like the only solution, usually in a moment of extreme emotion.

And the girl who got her butt kicked...she still seems only have remorse for getting her butt kicked, not for what she said.

The problem with bullies is that they honestly don't know any better. They are created by their parents who tacitly and overtly tell them that their behavior is acceptable. They are encouraged by schools and other authorities who say 'kids will be kids' and tell the victims to 'toughen up' and 'grow a thicker skin'. They are taught that what they are doing is OK and the weaker kids, their prey, are the reward for their behavior.

Oh, and ignoring the bullies...it seldom works.

[Frank Cannon]

50. Would the bully defenders here prefer suicide?

Because that's how a lot of kids who can't get any support deal with it.

[Bettie]

53. I don't know

But all the anti-bullying programs never seem to get to the problem.

Recently, I've also noticed that many parents are in the camp of "It's a part of childhood, a rite of passage" and "Kids will be mean and you need to learn to suck it up".

Also, what kind of person decides to pick on another about her dead baby sister? That shows so much of what kind of person this girl was.

The whole situation makes me sick, but I still maintain that if no one will help, at some point, even the most passive and non-violent person will hit a breaking point.

[Major Nikon]

133. That's a lot of fallacy packed into such a small space

There should be an award for such things.

[Frank Cannon]

134. Sigh.

http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html

[Major Nikon]

135. I'm not sure how obfuscation fixes your fallacies

Someone who says it's probably not a good idea to allow someone to beat the living shit out of another person is about as much of a "bully defender" as someone who says the Afghanistan War wasn't a great idea is a terrorist lover. It's also no different than those who use the childishly bullshit tactic of claiming that because someone is against the death penalty and other inhumane treatment of prisoners must love murderers and rapists. The only difference is you simply compounded your first fallacy by suggesting that anyone who isn't down with the idea of someone beating the living shit out of someone else for something they said must want kids to commit suicide.

[joeglow3]

177. Difference is we have a society that tries to stop rape and murder

We have mountains of evidence about how shitty of a job adults do in supporting victims and stopping bullies. Until WE can do our job, I support the victim doing what they need to (short of permanent physical harm) to salvage any sense of self worth and normalcy.

[Major Nikon]

179. Support whoever you want and that's fine

But when someone starts claiming those who have a different opinion on the subject is a "bully defender" and suggests they want kids to commit suicide, it's just not that hard to see where the bullshit starts.

[exboyfil]

51. Actually I think a lot more is done these days

that when I was growing up in the 1970s. One thing I told myself was that my daughters would never experience the hell I did growing up. I would not have hesitated to pull them out of school and homeschool them. The few instants that did happen were quickly corrected. I ensured that I had a written record of my communication with the administration (I made an email detailing my child's side of the story). I also told them I would not hesitate to seek battery charges against the other children.

[Bettie]

56. More is done sometimes

But there is still the attitude that it is an OK thing, a rite of passage.

In my boys' school, the big anti-bullying initiative is never to call out bad behavior, but rather to reward good behavior.

Oh, and being silent in the halls, that is the priority.

My oldest is a constant target and he's learned to deal with it, mostly. He also knows that being a big and strong kid, he could hurt someone if he ever got physical, so he is careful to mind his temper and never use violence, even when it is used against him.

The bullies are a lot more careful these days though, they make sure no one sees what they are doing, that the kids who might witness it are cowed into silence and, most importantly, that their own parents will always take their side 100%.

Generally, in my experience, it is the kids who are bullied, whose parents ask what happened, instead of reflexively saying "my kid would never..." are the ones who get punished. How sick it is that, they get punished for being bullied and saying something.

My son now begs me not to say anything to the administration. He says it is better to just keep his head down and wait for college. He's in 8th grade, an accomplished musician and in the gifted student program and yet, he dreads having to deal with the other kids at school.

[TheKentuckian]

61. Sorry but your kid doesn't know how to deal with it but rather how to suck it up

The reason he remains a target is because he is and it would seem is being taught to be one.

You absolutely must fight back and fight back relentlessly and without mercy to raise the cost of bullying above the "rewards". When you make it clear that there will be immediate and harsh painful consequences and you don't care a bit about the costs to you then bullies back down and go away and almost by magic less and less bullies present themselves to be fought pretty much like one losses the scent of being prey.

The less tolerance I had for bullies the fewer I had to cope with.

You son is not being provided any service by being taught to be a punching bag.

[Bettie]

74. I cannot tell my child that violence is the solution

to his problems. That would make me as bad as the parents who allow their kids to be bullies.

Now, if he punches a kid who has hit him, I won't tell him it was OK, but I will tell him I understand and I'll defend him.

The other variable in our situation is that we're in a small town. There are 50 kids in his grade. Everyone knows who the bullies are....they are (literally) the sons of the police chief, a lawyer, and a state trooper.

Nothing is ever done about any of these kids.

However, the one kid who did stand up to one of them was expelled. For bullying.

[TheKentuckian]

107. No, teaching a child to defend themselves is NOTHING like allowing your child to be a bully

The equilivence is wholly false and destructive as it values the bully well above the victim and reinforces victimhood.

Now for the political problem, it is sticky and it sounds like the other less connected children will have to band together in solidarity. You can't expel everyone and 3 or 4 can't take 30 or 50 to easily no matter how big and bad they are.

They take a few asswhippings, they will have a change in demeanor. Most learn before they must be damaged more than their inflated pride but on occasion a hard case will present themselves and are corrected by more of the same.

Your job is to raise a child not a life long target for abuse and I think the bullies are poorly served by letting them get away with their bullshit it allows them to grow from toxic little fucks to toxic big fucks that will pass on this to yet another generation.

I thought it cruel that I was punished at times for not fighting back but now I'm glad I was not allowed to be a sheep.

Don't raise sheep.

[joeglow3]

178. Amen

I have told my son he will never bully someone and to stick up for the victim when he sees it. A couple years ago, he saw two older kids bullying a younger kid at the pool. He stood up for the smaller kid, took a water gun to the face for it and got 4 stitches.

I contacted their parents, they paid all bills and made sure they would handle the situation (as I was going to call the police).

The kids were apologetic and, more importantly, a victim was taught that there are good people who will come to your defense. My son is 11 now and has told me he would do it all over again.

THAT made me a proud father.

[TheKentuckian]

181. As it should, thank you for fostering a little better world.

[jeff47]

59. Fundamentally, the problem is bullying is a learned behavior.

The people who can actually stop the bully, their parents, are the ones that taught them to be bullies.

Schools have limited ability to stop a bully. They can contact the bully's parents, or do something like detention. That's about it.

So we're left with three options:
-More police in schools so that bullies get jail time. Has the major downside of lots of "youthful indiscretions" end up destroying someone's life.

-The victim fights back. May or may not stop the bullying. Depends on the bully and the size of the bully's clique.

-The victim flees. The victim's parents either homeschool them or send them to a different school.

[qazplm]

85. i just dont agree

violence is often not a good solution, sometimes it is.

I was about 8 or 9, and there was this bully, a physical bully, that pretty much terrorized the street. He was huge for a kid his age, and he would sit on people and otherwise terrorize the neighborhood, including me.

One day I was about to walk into my house, and he literally pulled me back off as I was opening my screen door.

the commotion alerted my mom, who came outside, and I took advantage of that distraction to give him one solid punch in the nose.

Guess what happened after? Not only did he stop bullying me, he stopped bullying the entire neighborhood, and he even came over and played with me in our family room once or twice.

I'm not going to condone the excessive violence in this video. As other say, up to the point where she's kicking her in the head, not a lot of real damage is being done, but the head kicks were really dangerous.

Having said that, sometimes, violence is a good solution, not a great one, you'd hope we'd outgrow it, but as humans are now, sometimes violence short-cuts things in a way that opens the ears/mind in a way that words just don't impact.

[trumad]

54. so the takeaway so far in this thread is...

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Beat the verbal bully into submission.

This thread makes me ill.

[jeff47]

60. Yes, time started at the beginning of the video.

There's no other history between these two individuals.

Also, non-violent solutions to bullying exist and work.

And a fairy will give you money for lost teeth, and a fat guy in a red suit really does give presents to all the good girls and boys.

[chrisa]

62. And also, because someone is called a bully on the internet, it absolutely must be true.

There cannot be any other side to this story. Watching those two girls fight made me sick.

[polly7]

67. Like I said ....... there are times when eventually the hurt and rage becomes overwhelming.

Verbal and online bullying has caused so many suicides ....... it didn't in this case, but it really could have for someone already dealing with horrific loss and grief. The bystanders egging her on were hateful with what they said, but I don't blame the girl, especially at that age, for standing up for herself. Abuse is abuse and when no-one else can stop it, sometimes you need to do it yourself.

[TheKentuckian]

69. I won't condone that but once the bully actually bullies and I mean gets physical then you bet your

ass the response is to beat them into submission and by any means necessary.

I had ones I couldn't take, that is what tools and unexpected circumstances are for.

I dealt with a particularly brutal big ass fuck as he was getting his lunch in the line, just wailed on that head with that hard green plastic tray as he obliviously placed his order. I told him it would be anywhere and anytime. That he would have to kill me so the next time he laid his hands on me so he better finish me or I'd be back on him as soon as I could and do I look like I care if it is fair.

Never tried me again because the price was too high.

Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.

[tblue37]

132. Ender, that you? nt

[Desert805]

140. Funny

I kicked a bully once. Should have seen the look on both our faces!

[wavesofeuphoria]

75. agreed ... as if there

is no other solution than violence

the solution to bullying isn't physical violence ...

don't substitute one abuse for another atrocity.

[alcibiades_mystery]

86. To read DU's discourse on bullying, you'd have to believe that everyone is bullied for years

and that everyone eventually gets some wild revenge on their tormentors.

It's a really weird dynamic here whenever the word bullying is mentioned. You get this kind of odd "me-too-ism" followed by stories that operate pretty clearly as fantasies. Sadly, I don't believe a quarter of what people say about their having been bullied, and I don't believe a tenth of these revenge fantasies. People inflate the first rather dramatically, and pretty much invent the second for reasons that are fairly obvious.

The other major trope is how the "administrations" in the schools ignored the bullying or sided with the bullies, another slew of fantasies, pretty much.

The whole thing is bizarre.

[trumad]

91. keyboard warriors...

That's what makes teh internets weird.

[NutmegYankee]

97. It's sad that you actually think that.

You cannot seriously just call other people's painful experiences fantasy. My parents went to the school administrators several times and all they demonstrated was incompetence and inaction. My parents even sued the bullies parents and brought them to court, which was still ineffective. Having enough of his shit and finally kicking his ass one day - 100% effective.

[alcibiades_mystery]

99. OK

If you say so.

[NutmegYankee]

100. I take it no one is bullied in your fantasy world?

And the suicide rate must also be zero there too?

[alcibiades_mystery]

103. Very obviously, bullying exists, and some is even severe and persistent

I think it is a very small minority of bullying that operates that way.

What I suspect is that on a forum like this, where it is clearly popular to have been bullied people inflate their negative experiences far beyond their reality, and then, yes, invent these revenge fantasies for public tellings, because they are part of the way these narratives work. So, yes, there is bullying, and there is also a shit ton of bullshit about it.

I managed to go to overcrowded public schools and even to be in the "nerd classes" through a good bit of my time, and I never saw persistent, vicious bullying - not one instance. Not one. Lawd, it's a miracle! Were some kids simply not that popular? Sure. Were some kids taunted and even tormented from time to time? Yes. Sure. Were kids beat up after school and the like? Yeah, it was NYC in the 80's. Did I feel bullied at times? I think probably everybody did. But these tales of long-term tormenting and bullying just don't scan for me. I think they're inflated. Kids could be mean but mostly didn't care enough to bother one other kid for extended periods. Obviously, I wouldn't speak to the experience of an LGBT kid growing up in suburban Dallas in the 70's, or something like that. Maybe it was like that. But I wonder.

The sheer volume of people here claiming the endless horror of their teen years, followed by some comeuppance? No. I don't buy it. I think they're taking a few negative experiences and inflating them. And I think there's a culture here that enables that practice and encourages it.

I'm not going to speak to the suicide issue because it is far more complex than some vague notion of "bullying."

[NutmegYankee]

108. LOL, the good ole "it didn't happen to me, therefore it doesn't happen".

As I commented before, sad and pathetic.

[alcibiades_mystery]

109. That's not what I said at all

It doesn't happen to most people, so the volume of people claiming that it happened to them here is deeply unlikely.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

153. Where are your stats?

You've told us what 'you think' in other comments, and that 'it doesn't happen to most people', so I assume you have stats somewhere to back up your claims, and that you're not just pulling such opinions out of thin air.

[lunasun]

154. wow

[Codeine]

146. Thank you! I thought I was just

being some kind of cynical asshole. Nice to know somebody else has some skepticism about this sort of thing as well.

[joeglow3]

176. Not cynical. Just ignorant and lazy

If you have scores of fellow DU members relating their experiences, it takes a certain kind of person to call them liars. It also takes a certain level of laziness to avoid 60 seconds of research on something they are clearly ignorant of before forming an opinion:

http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/bullycompendium-a.pdf

[joeglow3]

175. To read this post, you are an willfully ignorant

To minimize painful experiences that many people have had to go through is beyond shitty. And to ignore the mountains of evidence regarding the amount of bullying that goes on and the shitty job most adults do in stopping it requires a certain amount of willful ignorance. That, or someone was a bully themself is this is a defense to make themselves feel better for treating people like shit.

[Rex]

72. There is only one thing a bully understands and that is intimidation.

Kicking someone in the head when they are down is not intimidation, it is attempted murder. I know they are only kids, but nobody should be cheering on the aggressor in the video. Also, pent up frustration can turn deadly in a fraction of a second. I can guarantee you every kick and blow to the head and body (sorry won't watch pre-teen snuff porn) made the girl feel better...which is very sad. Very sad indeed, now she might relate pain of others to a deep seated satisfaction she is far too young to understand much less try and comprehend.

Whenever I was bullied in school (didn't happen often, but on occasion I would attract some loud mouthed asshole) I would say upfront, if you touch me I will plant you into the concrete outside. You can say whatever you want, but the moment you start to physically torment me it will be the last thing you ever do. Just throwing intimidation back in their face worked 99% of the time (also, as you can see I was not bullied by them, I ignored their verbal harassment and gave plenty of warnings not to touch me).

Only had to beat the shit out of two bullies in my entire time in JH and HS. And only because they thought they could physically beat me up and I would not do anything about it. You know what a 200 pound autistic kid does when you violently touch them in junior high? One of two things, they either shutdown completely or they go wild and try to mash the life out of their tormentor (evidently I fall into option B).

And it DID feel good mashing them into a pulp, all of about 1 minute. Then I felt guilty as hell for hurting another living being. I'm a big pacifist inside and always will be, hurting someone is wrong.

[Iggo]

76. I agree with this part..."The girl grabs the bully, pulls her down, then becomes the bully."

[cherokeeprogressive]

77. The video shows a beat-down that ends with a defenseless person getting kicked repeatedly while down

No context, no nothing; just the beat-down

I'll repeat what I said in the subject line: A defenseless person getting kicked in the head and body while down on the ground.

Add the context of bullying (I'd be willing to bet you could alternatively add either misogyny or racism), and DUers eat that shit up... while applauding the attacker. Even though the only thing they know about the back-story is what they read, not what the video shows.

Chilling.

[aikoaiko]

79. Not guilty by reason of temporary insanity (grieving sister).

[trumad]

80. I suspect with the French terrorists could have used the same defense.

[aikoaiko]

82. Was Charlie Hebdo mocking the deaths of their sisters?

[trumad]

88. no but they could say they were temporarily insane

Because someone was mocking something.

[aikoaiko]

96. If that analogy makes sense to you, and I can understand why it would, so be it.

[WestCoastLib]

141. The difference is the death of the sister is the trigger not the mocking

It's a very simple distinction which makes a world of difference.

The traumatic life event of losing a loved one is the trigger here for the temporary insanity. The provocation on that subject is not.

If you are trying to make the analogy, what you then must be saying is that for these people, the act of "being muslim" is what would be causing them to be insane.

[Warren DeMontague]

128. Some have been falling all over themselves here to apologize for the folks who killed cartoonists

and suggest that the nasty, religion-mocking magazine publishers were "asking for it"

....maybe you missed it.

[Are_grits_groceries]

87. When bullying is relentless

especially about a dead sibling, something will break. In this case, the girl's passivity broke. In other cases, the kid breaks mentally and commits suicide.

I don't like violence, but all of you who are disgusted tell me what the solution is? There is no good choice. In cases like this, it can be a matter of mentally surviving.

When a kid has tried everything and that includes intervention by parents and there is no stopping, what would you do? Put yourself in the place of that kid and imagine that type of verbal abuse day after day.

Seriously, what would you do? If you had tried everything and it continued, what would you do?

I'd say 'Not guilty' using the insanity defense. I believe in these cases it cause a true break.

[trumad]

89. is there anything that proves it was relentless?

[GreatGazoo]

98. the "bully" does not seem phased

the swings at the beginning are doing almost nothing at all. You can see how slow some of them are. You can also hear in the audio that they aren't landing with any force. The hair pull and the kicks do more but at the end the "bully" gets up, no blood and still mouthing off.

The "bull" never seems to fight back. At the beginning she is just trying to get her hair free, then she covers up and takes those little baby punches for a while. When the non-bully (?) kicks she is off balance and has nothing in the kicks. The "bully" has plenty of chances to fight or pull the other girl down but she doesn't.

And there is no specific story or source for this thing. Was this a trap for the "non-bully" perhaps?

[belzabubba333]

101. title should be 'revenge porn for the bullied'

[alcibiades_mystery]

105. Indeed

[alphafemale]

104. The only way to stop a bully since the dawn of time.

Adults trying to "talk to" a bully will only make it worse for the kid.

You have to knock the snot out of their face.

Sad but true.

[Humanist_Activist]

110. Amazing how many sociopaths are on this board, excusing violence. n/t

[trumad]

118. yep..

Here is my question to the assholes who are condoning this..... what would you say if that kick to the head paralyzed that girl?

Yeah...thought so.

[dilby]

120. Hope she gets used to a wheelchair. n/t

[dilby]

126. You mad?

Maybe you and wheelchair girl can have a little bully get together and talk about your anger issues.

[Humanist_Activist]

148. You know, this is a post I'm going to save and pull out for EVERY discussion you have here in the...

future. I do wonder how many bodies you have buried in your backyard.

[dilby]

157. i would expect no less from someone who sides with a bully.

So go ahead and pull this post up every time and see how far that gets you in life.

[Humanist_Activist]

163. I'm sorry, you are the psychopath advocating for a child to be permanently handicapped...

what the fuck type of sick, twisted bullshit is that?

[dilby]

164. And you are exactly like a bully.

Who resorts to insults and and name calling to try and make your insignificant voice heard in the pile of trash you associate with. It's no wonder you side with a person who lacked common sense and took a beating for that ignorance.

[Humanist_Activist]

171. Excuse, who is the bully again? Who is cheering on the beating of a child here? n/t

[Gemini Cat]

173. I've noticed this too.

I think you may be on to something.

[polly7]

166. From one of the asshole club ....

I would say it was horrible and that it went too far.

What would you say, if like many before her, the bullied girl had taken her own life?

[TheKentuckian]

121. No, I am circumstantially recommending violence as the most effective and logical response to

violent bullies and I'm doubtful you actually have a counter argument but rather emotional and philosophical appeals with no practical response.

[Humanist_Activist]

124. Actually, I wrote an OP about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026102788

[Skittles]

122. I think they both need counseling

I understand people needing an ass-kicking but that is indeed disturbing, especially the people who fail to intervene when she starts kicking her in the head

[trumad]

125. I'm about to get a hide..

Check out dilbys response a couple of posts up....clearly disturbing.

[Lobo27]

130. Well, I'm of the belief that there is no such as a fair fight.

Once a fight starts, its has to be about survival. It may seem to simple, but thats how I see it. That why I always try to avoid bad situations, but sometimes they are not avoidable.

Only thing I have to say is that once someone is knocked out there is no need for further damage. Point has been proven.

[MFM008]

136. my son stopped it in 5th grade

He was always taking crap for his size, he was big but football big. Some kid kept on him all the time, jumping on him and mouthing off. One day my dad and I drove into school, saw a kid running away with a bloody face and bawling. We knew in our guts that was my sons bully. Andy had finally stood up to him and slugged him in the nose, the kid left him alone after that, in fact he said they became more friendly. I was appalled when it happened but after that no kid ever gave him any flack about his size again and he got into football, track and wrestling.... he compound fractured his arm in 10th grade putting his sports to an end....he became the school assisant janitor for pay.
Sometime you have to do a Ralphie.

[Capt. Obvious]

147. Meh

I was expecting something really awful with the NSFW tag.

[Nye Bevan]

149. OF COURSE the appropriate response to hurtful words is to beat the person who said them senseless,

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and while that person is laying semi-conscious and helpless, to kick her a few more times in the head for good measure.

What on earth is with the namby-pamby bleeding-heart liberals here who object to such a thing? Do they think this is some kind of "liberal" or "progressive" discussion forum?

[abelenkpe]

155. Why didn't the school do anything

To stop the bullying? Why didn't any students do anything to stop the bullying or fight?

I'm just gonna file this whole incident, bullying, fight, internet fame under humans suck. The whole thing is shameful.

[Jesus Malverde]

172. World star!