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sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:02 AM Jan 2015

Gordon Parks' Never-Before-Seen Photos Of 1950s Segregation

Gordon Parks was only a teenager when he left his hometown of Fort Scott, Kansas. The youngest of 15, Parks chose to make a living for himself after his mother passed away, and wound up becoming the first African American photographer for Life Magazine.

Only two years after his first Life assignment, Parks returned home for a photo essay on segregated education. Journeying to Fort Scott and other Midwestern cities nearby, Parks photographed his childhood classmates, capturing their faces, families and homes while recording details about their occupations and incomes. The photo essay, for reasons that remain unknown, was never published, and most of the images went unseen.

And then Karen Haas, curator at MFA Boston, stumbled upon an image of Parks' that changed everything.



"The museum decided to do a rather major publication on our African American collections across all our departments," Haas explained in a phone conversation with The Huffington Post. "I was asked to write the entries on the African American photographers because it was a particular interest of mine. One of the photographs by Gordon Parks was sort of a mystery -- it's simply titled 'Outside the Liberty Theater' and depicts a young couple outside a segregated movie theater. I contacted the Gordon Parks foundation and together we sorted out the fact that this was a photograph taken in Fort Scott, Kansas and related to a larger story that's widely unknown because it was never published in Life Magazine. That's really where it all began."

"They've never been exhibited together before, many of them have never been shown at all. They're completely unknown; the foundation didn't know the picture, no one knew what it really was. It's not that surprising that for a magazine photographer. Without that anchor to a story there's no reason for them to see the light of day again. There was this trail, this little thread I was following to figure out the story from this picture.




Mrs. Jefferson, Fort Scott, Kansas, 1950


Untitled, St. Louis, Missouri, 1950


Uncle James Parks, Fort Scott, Kansas, 1950

Read More http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/gordon-parks_n_6489120.html

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Gordon Parks' Never-Before-Seen Photos Of 1950s Segregation (Original Post) sheshe2 Jan 2015 OP
These are wonderful. brer cat Jan 2015 #1
Yes she has stories, her face tells it brer cat. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #4
Gordon Parks was an amazing photographer Major Nikon Jan 2015 #2
Thank you! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #25
UNREC brooklynite Jan 2015 #3
Really? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #6
I think the poster meant that none of the ones you posted in the OP showed any obvious segregation. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #10
Who cares if it is obvious? Is that the point of the thread? No. Rex Jan 2015 #13
it's the title of the thread, yes. so i guess one can be forgiven for expecting photos showing ND-Dem Jan 2015 #17
Obvious segregation? You have to be kidding me. Is that what would make you happy? Rex Jan 2015 #18
You obviously wish to be offended and insulting so I'll leave you to your pleasure after showing ND-Dem Jan 2015 #20
Not at all, I just cringe at willful ignorance. Rex Jan 2015 #22
How about that first picture outside the theater? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #37
"IT HAPPENED." You've taking what I said as some denial that segregation happened? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #41
Expecting to see certain photos is one thing. Unrec ing the thread (all caps, no less) is another. merrily Jan 2015 #56
I didn't unrec the thread, let alone in all caps. That was another poster. Here, let me give you ND-Dem Jan 2015 #57
My reply to you did not say you had unrec'd the thread. It went directly to your comments. merrily Jan 2015 #60
2/3 of the comments that are supposedly to me are about unreccing the thread. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #64
And there was nothing in the thread title about 'obvious segregation' so you lied Rex Jan 2015 #66
Again, my reply to you was only about the content of your post. merrily Jan 2015 #67
Thank you Rex. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #19
NP. "I don't see segregation going on, so it must not be happening in those pictures." Rex Jan 2015 #21
You know nothing about me or my experiences. I leave you with one of the photos from the ND-Dem Jan 2015 #23
That may be true. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #15
Really. Just that obvious about it. Rex Jan 2015 #16
Why anyone would supposedly unrec a thread full of great photos is a mystery, no merrily Jan 2015 #69
Illuminating RandiFan1290 Jan 2015 #71
Illuminating. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #73
REC- All the people shown here were living in times and places where life was segregated. NBachers Jan 2015 #5
Thank you NBachers! sheshe2 Jan 2015 #9
This is Cool and such Beautiful shots from Gordon Parks.. Mahalo, she! Cha Jan 2015 #7
Thank you for that one!!! Beautiful. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #8
Lovely, simply Lovely.. The very beginning.. Cha Jan 2015 #11
Oh, he caught the moment. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #12
Such a Badass photog! Mahalo for bringing Gordon Parks on board, she! Cha Jan 2015 #26
The exhibit will be at MFA Boston until September. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #77
Ah yes, if the Gordon Parks Exhibit will be there until September.. an early B-day present wouldn't Cha Jan 2015 #81
This last photo at the COLORED ONLY fountain... callous taoboy Jan 2015 #83
K&R because only a total idiot would miss the point of this thread. Rex Jan 2015 #14
Lol~ sheshe2 Jan 2015 #24
Thank you for the unearthed history, those pictures are amazing. Rex Jan 2015 #27
You are welcome Rex. nt sheshe2 Jan 2015 #78
not from the page you linked. but thanks for the gratuitous insults. so effective at winning ND-Dem Jan 2015 #28
No it is not. Yet they are Gordons photos. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #50
Yes, I lived through the segregation and then the civil rights era. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #52
So you are black? Or white? sheshe2 Jan 2015 #59
the new democrats. insulting their constituency since 1981. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #29
Totally wrong, but please keep entertaining me with your guesses. Rex Jan 2015 #30
It wouldn't matter what I told you about segregation. You'd keep insulting me regardless, because ND-Dem Jan 2015 #31
So you admit that you have no idea and just pretend now it is all my fault. Rex Jan 2015 #32
I don't admit any such thing. Having lived through that era, I imagine I know just as much about it ND-Dem Jan 2015 #33
Oh you lived through that era did you!? Rex Jan 2015 #34
Yes. I was born in the early 50s. But of course, you don't believe that either, because you made ND-Dem Jan 2015 #38
You've made it quite clear what kind of person you are, very clear. Rex Jan 2015 #39
"Coloreds Only" signs aren't the only indicator of segregation. Racist micro aggression existed back uponit7771 Jan 2015 #35
i don't know what 'diet racism' is, and i don't know what the relation is to something billed as ND-Dem Jan 2015 #36
Really funny youtube vid inside uponit7771 Jan 2015 #40
huh? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #42
This is a denial that it exist because it's not overt, where do you think blacks on the train would uponit7771 Jan 2015 #46
Maybe that's the difference. You were "taught" about it. I lived it. And the holier than thou ND-Dem Jan 2015 #49
Ok, you may be right about that but neither does the outright denial of it... uponit7771 Jan 2015 #53
the only denial is in your mind and the minds of your friends here. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #55
We're all friends? LOL. Rex Jan 2015 #65
The first pic is a pic of segregation, to think that the rule at the time was that the theatres were uponit7771 Jan 2015 #43
according to that theory, any picture taken in the 50s is a picture of segregation. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #44
The train pic!? You're kidding me right?! Where do you think blacks SAT at that time?! uponit7771 Jan 2015 #47
Like I said, according to that theory, any and all photos taken in the 50s (or before) are pictures ND-Dem Jan 2015 #48
Good luck explaining it. Rex Jan 2015 #45
Yes. I add: Segregation did not merely exist then, but was REQUIRED by Jim Crow laws. merrily Jan 2015 #58
It's photographed in1950! You KNOW segregation was going on! montana_hazeleyes Jan 2015 #51
Where I live MLK is no longer taught in schools, it may be a thing of the past because uponit7771 Jan 2015 #54
I still teach my second graders about MLK. callous taoboy Jan 2015 #84
Outstanding thread and great pictures! Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #61
It is late and I have to work in a few hours. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #62
REC'D! And I wish I could REC multiple times! Thank you for sharing these beautiful photographs. merrily Jan 2015 #63
Thank you so much merrily. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #79
i love seeing pics like this JI7 Jan 2015 #68
KIcking.. Cha Jan 2015 #70
Great pics, thanks for posting, sheshe2! Scuba Jan 2015 #72
K&R BumRushDaShow Jan 2015 #74
Powerful exhibit! mtngirl47 Jan 2015 #75
REC Thank you for posting kcr Jan 2015 #76
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #80
really good post here Ramses Jan 2015 #82
Thank you for posting this. xocet Jan 2015 #85
Thank you for the link xocet. sheshe2 Jan 2015 #86

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
1. These are wonderful.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jan 2015

I love to look at pictures like Mrs. Jefferson. Her face and hands are so expressive, you know she has stories to tell.

This was a great find, sheshe. Thanks for posting.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
4. Yes she has stories, her face tells it brer cat.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:06 AM
Jan 2015

I would love to see the exhibit at the MFA Boston. A car drive that is easy, parking is about $25. Admission is up there to( free on MLK day, but I can't make that one). I might be able to get a discount from my library. If I can swing it I want to go.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
2. Gordon Parks was an amazing photographer
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 12:48 AM
Jan 2015

He worked on the same Farm Security Administration photography project that produced Dorothea Lange.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
6. Really?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:22 AM
Jan 2015


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/16/gordon-parks_n_6489120.html

I am sure there will be a lot more at the MFA exhibit in Boston.

I guess a lot has to do with your interpretation of segregation seen and harshly experienced through a black persons eyes. If you didn't live it can you truly understand it?

Here

The photos were for his personal piece about segregated education, which Parks decided to tell through the lens of his own experience as a poor child, the youngest of 15, in Fort Scott, Kansas.

The MFA’s curator of photography Karen Haas says Park often got assignments about social issues that his white counterparts did not.

“In the end, the story didn’t get told in the magazine,” she explains, “but what I’m very excited about is that we can show it here — and in many ways I think it really resonates with people today as much as it would have at the time.”

Haas says the series of black and white photos got bumped more than once, presumably because they were seen as potentially controversial.

The intimate portraits show tight-knit African American families throughout the South and Midwest that contrasted with the predominantly white, middle-class imagery that typically dominated Life’s pages.


http://artery.wbur.org/2015/01/17/gordon-parks-mfa

So go with it. UNREC away. Since you don't see it or feel it, then it does not exist. Got it.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
10. I think the poster meant that none of the ones you posted in the OP showed any obvious segregation.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jan 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. Who cares if it is obvious? Is that the point of the thread? No.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:20 AM
Jan 2015

UNREC a thread that shows pictures from 1950's segregation (it's not just something to be seen obviously up front all the time, only an idiot would think that way). Really mature, but totally predictable by certain posters.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
17. it's the title of the thread, yes. so i guess one can be forgiven for expecting photos showing
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:25 AM
Jan 2015

segregation. the title would express the point of the thread, I'd think.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
18. Obvious segregation? You have to be kidding me. Is that what would make you happy?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jan 2015

Really what a disgusting response or you are just really ignorant to the subject completely.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
20. You obviously wish to be offended and insulting so I'll leave you to your pleasure after showing
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:32 AM
Jan 2015

you the thread title:

"Gordon Parks' Never-Before-Seen Photos Of 1950s Segregation"

And here's one of the pictures: It has nothing to do with segregation.



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
22. Not at all, I just cringe at willful ignorance.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:34 AM
Jan 2015

Have a great day not understanding simple concepts like 'segregation in the 1950s'. If you ever figure it out, let us know.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
37. How about that first picture outside the theater?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jan 2015

It was segregated.



"The museum decided to do a rather major publication on our African American collections across all our departments," Haas explained in a phone conversation with The Huffington Post. "I was asked to write the entries on the African American photographers because it was a particular interest of mine. One of the photographs by Gordon Parks was sort of a mystery -- it's simply titled 'Outside the Liberty Theater' and depicts a young couple outside a segregated movie theater. I contacted the Gordon Parks foundation and together we sorted out the fact that this was a photograph taken in Fort Scott, Kansas and related to a larger story that's widely unknown because it was never published in Life Magazine. That's really where it all began."

What about segregation do you not understand? And!

Read the article. I can only post 4 paragraphs. Read it!

READ IT! STOP TRYING TO BE BLIND. IT HAPPENED.

The poignant images depict everyday life for African Americans in the 1950s -- playing pool, reading a book, watching a baseball game -- all under the regulations of segregation. Along with the images, Parks recorded details about his former classmates current lives, for example, that Norman Earl Collins was doing quite well, making $1.22 an hour at Union Electric of Missouri.

"What I love about the pictures is the way I feel as though when I look at the expressions on their faces I can see the pride each of these families felt standing in front of their houses," explained Haas. "Parks made an effort to pose his subjects in front of their houses with these strong nuclear families -- the way so many families in Life Magazine are posed to begin with. That white middle class family pose. To pose African American families in front of their homes, I think, would have been quite startling to the readership. I'm fascinated by the gaze. Each of them trusting their friend, not only this fellow African American, but someone who'd grown up in Kansas with them. What they'd experienced together, the poverty, the childhood struggles. And now he's the famous New York photojournalist, he's a success story. And each of them is trusting him, telling him their stories."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
56. Expecting to see certain photos is one thing. Unrec ing the thread (all caps, no less) is another.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:50 AM
Jan 2015

The impact of recs is to put a thread on the greatest page and thereby give it higher visibility on DU than it might otherwise have . To unrec a thread with these fantastic photos because of alleged inconsistency between the photos in the OP and the thread title misapprehends that. Besides, I see segregation in every single one of these photos. These photographs are art, and art makes its point in many ways. I often wish I could rec threads more than once and this is certainly one of those times.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
60. My reply to you did not say you had unrec'd the thread. It went directly to your comments.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:54 AM
Jan 2015

I knew who unrec'd the thread when I drafted my reply to you.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
66. And there was nothing in the thread title about 'obvious segregation' so you lied
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:28 AM
Jan 2015

from the very beginning.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
67. Again, my reply to you was only about the content of your post.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:31 AM
Jan 2015

Your post was part of a subthread about brooklynite's "UNREC." Ergo, yes, replies directly to your post and only to your post may refer to the so-called unrec of brooklynite.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
19. Thank you Rex.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jan 2015

They don't experience it. Then it is not true. They don't have the compassion to feel what went on. Then they are blind, deaf and dumb.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. NP. "I don't see segregation going on, so it must not be happening in those pictures."
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:32 AM
Jan 2015

Is about the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read by a poster on any forum. EVER.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
23. You know nothing about me or my experiences. I leave you with one of the photos from the
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:35 AM
Jan 2015

segregation exhibit.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
15. That may be true.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:23 AM
Jan 2015

Yet if they went to the link they would have seen this.

And why does the poster need obvious segregation. I don't get that. The first image is a couple outside OUTSIDE a segregated theater.

The rest speaks for itself. If they wish to ignore the facts, then so be it.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
69. Why anyone would supposedly unrec a thread full of great photos is a mystery, no
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:37 AM
Jan 2015

matter what the great photos show or how consistent or inconsistent the photos supposedly are with the thread title.

The effect of recs is to get a thread more visibility, via the greatest page, and these photos are of a quality that certainly merits visibility. Are you sorry you clicked on the thread title because the photos supposedly do not show what you expected? If not, what sense does your "UNREC" make? I would REC this thread multiple times if I could.

However, as to the art work itself, I could not disagree with you more as to your interpretation. I see segregation in most or all of those photos.

NBachers

(17,122 posts)
5. REC- All the people shown here were living in times and places where life was segregated.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jan 2015

The character, the dignity, the styles, and the lives we see represented were all affected by that segregation.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
7. This is Cool and such Beautiful shots from Gordon Parks.. Mahalo, she!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:44 AM
Jan 2015

What a Lucky find from Karen Haas, curator at MFA Boston, .. I'll bring this one over from your link..


Untitled, Fort Scott, Kansas, 1950

The "youngest of 15".. wow! What a life he lived!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Parks

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
8. Thank you for that one!!! Beautiful.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 01:53 AM
Jan 2015

Here is Gordon Parks.



Photography career

At the age of twenty-five, Parks was struck by photographs of migrant workers in a magazine and bought his first camera, a Voigtländer Brillant, for $12.50 at a Seattle, Washington, pawnshop.[11] The photography clerks who developed Parks' first roll of film, applauded his work and prompted him to seek a fashion assignment at a women's clothing store in St. Paul, Minnesota, that was owned by Frank Murphy. Those photographs caught the eye of Marva Louis, the elegant wife of heavyweight boxing champion Joe Louis. She encouraged Parks to move to Chicago in 1940,[12] where he began a portrait business and specialized in photographs of society women.

Over the next few years, Parks moved from job to job, developing a freelance portrait and fashion photographer sideline. He began to chronicle the city's South Side black ghetto and, in 1941, an exhibition of those photographs won Parks a photography fellowship with the Farm Security Administration (FSA).

Working as a trainee under Roy Stryker, Parks created one of his best-known photographs, American Gothic, Washington, D.C.,[13] named after the iconic Grant Wood painting, American Gothic. The photograph shows a black woman, Ella Watson, who worked on the cleaning crew of the FSA building, standing stiffly in front of an American flag hanging on the wall, a broom in one hand and a mop in the background. Parks had been inspired to create the image after encountering racism repeatedly in restaurants and shops in the segregated capital city.
A later photograph in the FSA series by Parks shows Ella Watson and her family

Upon viewing the photograph, Stryker said that it was an indictment of America, and that it could get all of his photographers fired.[14] He urged Parks to keep working with Watson, however, which led to a series of photographs of her daily life. Parks said later that his first image was overdone and not subtle; other commentators have argued that it drew strength from its polemical nature and its duality of victim and survivor, and so has affected far more people than his subsequent pictures of Mrs. Watson.[15]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Parks

Thank you Cha.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
11. Lovely, simply Lovely.. The very beginning..
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jan 2015

"At the age of twenty-five, Parks was struck by photographs of migrant workers in a magazine and bought his first camera, a Voigtländer Brillant, for $12.50 at a Seattle, Washington, pawnshop. The photography clerks who developed Parks' first roll of film, applauded his work and prompted him to seek a fashion assignment at a women's clothing store in St. Paul, Minnesota, that was owned by Frank Murphy..."

I'm all Verklempt

Mahalo to you, she

Cha

(297,323 posts)
26. Such a Badass photog! Mahalo for bringing Gordon Parks on board, she!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:38 AM
Jan 2015

And, these additional photos are Magnificent~

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
77. The exhibit will be at MFA Boston until September.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:53 PM
Jan 2015

I have to find a way to see it. Sadly it makes for an expensive day. Hmmm maybe I can get my sister to give me an early Bday present.

Thanks Cha, the pictures are breathtaking in there depth.



PS glad your computer is up and working again.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
81. Ah yes, if the Gordon Parks Exhibit will be there until September.. an early B-day present wouldn't
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jan 2015

be out of the question!

Mahalo again she for Gordon Parks' amazing life and pictures.

callous taoboy

(4,585 posts)
83. This last photo at the COLORED ONLY fountain...
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 09:34 PM
Jan 2015

Just one of the best photographs in history. The grace of the subject, her white dress perfectly obscuring the White Only fountain is deeply touching / poignant. Brilliant photos.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. K&R because only a total idiot would miss the point of this thread.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jan 2015

Or a troll. Take your pick.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
24. Lol~
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:37 AM
Jan 2015

You are making it hard for me to chose. Idiot or troll to miss the point.

more





Thank you Rex. tears.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Thank you for the unearthed history, those pictures are amazing.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:39 AM
Jan 2015

It's just really hard for me to believe someone doesn't understand a very simple concept like segregation. At least for grown adults.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
28. not from the page you linked. but thanks for the gratuitous insults. so effective at winning
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:43 AM
Jan 2015

allies.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
50. No it is not. Yet they are Gordons photos.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:24 AM
Jan 2015

On a message board, we are allowed to link to other images.

I linked to an article that you and another have an issue with. It did not portray enough segregation for you? Did you live it, do you know it? Did you feel it? You have no compassion for those that do. That's sad.

You said

not from the page you linked. but thanks for the gratuitous insults. so effective at winning allies.


Sad you have no wish to be an ally because your fee fees were hurt. I am white and I am an ally and I always will be. History matters. So does the life of black men and women slaughtered.


 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
52. Yes, I lived through the segregation and then the civil rights era.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:38 AM
Jan 2015

unlike yourself, I gather.

and you're white; even more ironic.

I was referring to allies of the democratic party.

but that's ok; the party doesn't want people like me anymore; it gets more obvious everyday.



sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
59. So you are black? Or white?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:53 AM
Jan 2015

And do not believe that the pics shown segregation?

This?

Yes, I lived through the segregation and then the civil rights era.


unlike yourself, I gather.

and you're white; even more ironic.

I was referring to allies of the democratic party.

but that's ok; the party doesn't want people like me anymore; it gets more obvious everyday.


Why is my being white an issue for you? Why is that ironic to you? The Democratic party does not want you anymore? Why is that?


 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
30. Totally wrong, but please keep entertaining me with your guesses.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:47 AM
Jan 2015

You cannot even tell me what segregation means!

Seriously, keep being totally clueless it is cute.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
31. It wouldn't matter what I told you about segregation. You'd keep insulting me regardless, because
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:51 AM
Jan 2015

that's what you want to do.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
32. So you admit that you have no idea and just pretend now it is all my fault.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:54 AM
Jan 2015

Seriously, it is okay not to know something fundamental to a topic in a thread. It happens and can be a learning experience.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
33. I don't admit any such thing. Having lived through that era, I imagine I know just as much about it
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 02:58 AM
Jan 2015

if not more, than yourself.

I just know that no matter what I say, you've decided to mock me and degrade me, for reasons known only to yourself and the other poster. You decided to make a big deal and insult me over a minor turn of phrase.

So it ain't worth talking to you, and I'll stop now. Way to win friends and influence people for the common good.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
34. Oh you lived through that era did you!?
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:00 AM
Jan 2015

You are so right, no reason to talk to you whatsoever if you cannot even handle being wrong about something. It lets me know you are untrustworthy.

Have a great day now!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
38. Yes. I was born in the early 50s. But of course, you don't believe that either, because you made
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jan 2015

up your mind to mock and degrade me from jump street.

Says more about you and the kind of person you are than about me.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
35. "Coloreds Only" signs aren't the only indicator of segregation. Racist micro aggression existed back
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:00 AM
Jan 2015

... then and it exist now.

These pictures bring out the overt "diet racism" in people... (people of color included if they're not taught properly)

It's "diet racism" to proclaim that these pictures don't show segregation when there's a black couple looking at a theatre... when did theatres at that time become desegregated!!?!?!??!?!?

It would be the exception that these theatres were NOT segregated

"...it's simply titled 'Outside the Liberty Theater' and depicts a young couple outside a segregated movie theater..."

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
36. i don't know what 'diet racism' is, and i don't know what the relation is to something billed as
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:02 AM
Jan 2015

'never before seen photos of 1950s segregation'

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
46. This is a denial that it exist because it's not overt, where do you think blacks on the train would
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:12 AM
Jan 2015

... sit?!

The train pic is loud to us who have been taught about segregation at that time.

I understand a lot of school districts have stop teaching about segregation

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
49. Maybe that's the difference. You were "taught" about it. I lived it. And the holier than thou
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:18 AM
Jan 2015

BS doesn't wash.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
53. Ok, you may be right about that but neither does the outright denial of it...
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:39 AM
Jan 2015

... I'm thinking it went along with the times.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
55. the only denial is in your mind and the minds of your friends here.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:41 AM
Jan 2015

this is all very tedious and nasty and I'm done.

don't worry, i'll leave any comment on segregation and civil rights to all of you; people who weren't there, didn't experience it, and are white. the real experts and judges of we lesser mortals.

here's a photo of a concentration camp for you:



don't see the camp? well, it's Germany in the 40s; the camp is there.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
65. We're all friends? LOL.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:26 AM
Jan 2015

Wow you are a sad person, really nice to see you leaving a good thread since all you did was stink it up. Think about this - that we are not all friends, we all just told you that you are wrong. Maybe one day when you get older, you will understand that nobody is perfect. Not even you.

Have a great day!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
43. The first pic is a pic of segregation, to think that the rule at the time was that the theatres were
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:09 AM
Jan 2015

... NOT segregated isn't what America was going through at that time.

The micro agression here is that if it's not overt then it doesn't exist...

That's not reality

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
44. according to that theory, any picture taken in the 50s is a picture of segregation.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:10 AM
Jan 2015

goodbye to all of you.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
48. Like I said, according to that theory, any and all photos taken in the 50s (or before) are pictures
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:15 AM
Jan 2015

of segregation.

I don't buy it. and I don't think you do either.

and now, I've really spent too much time with unpleasant company.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
58. Yes. I add: Segregation did not merely exist then, but was REQUIRED by Jim Crow laws.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:53 AM
Jan 2015

De jure and de facto segregation was going on. Now, the segregation that does on is de facto. That sucks. However, de jure plus de facto simultaneously sucks worse.

montana_hazeleyes

(3,424 posts)
51. It's photographed in1950! You KNOW segregation was going on!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:27 AM
Jan 2015

I look at these beautiful people and think about what they have been through. Magnificent people treated less than human because of race.

The picture of the man in overalls, you don't need to see a sign to know what he thinks of black people.

And how outrageous, the elegant woman and her little girl should be considered too low to drink from whites damn fountain.

What an amazing find. Absolutely wonderful photography.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
54. Where I live MLK is no longer taught in schools, it may be a thing of the past because
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 03:40 AM
Jan 2015

... people wont teach it any longer

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
61. Outstanding thread and great pictures!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:07 AM
Jan 2015

I love the fact that Mr. Parks captured these pictures of that time period forever!
Older, historical pictures like his are fantastic finds as they are examples of the kind of proof of the atmosphere that prevailed in America at that time.
The truth in these pictures can't be denied by other people, say less colored people, some who are decades removed from that time period, that seem so typical of so many of the Republicans of today.
As we roll into the Martin Luther King holiday this weekend, this is one of the most important aspects of having a photographic history that explains many of the reasons why Martin Luther King is so revered to this very day!







sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
62. It is late and I have to work in a few hours.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:14 AM
Jan 2015

I want to see this exhibition at the MFA in Boston. If I can figure out how to afford it I will go.

Thank you Major. Damn it would be awesome to see.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
63. REC'D! And I wish I could REC multiple times! Thank you for sharing these beautiful photographs.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:17 AM
Jan 2015

Like all incredible art, they speak emphatically to the heart, mind and eyes all at once.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
79. Thank you so much merrily.
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:59 PM
Jan 2015

To think he started it all with a camera from a pawnshop at $12.50.

The images are hauntingly beautiful.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
68. i love seeing pics like this
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 04:31 AM
Jan 2015

i always wonder what happened to the people and if they are still around

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
72. Great pics, thanks for posting, sheshe2!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 08:18 AM
Jan 2015

I'll bet that pic of the little girl reading makes the racists blood boil.

mtngirl47

(990 posts)
75. Powerful exhibit!
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jan 2015

Daughter and I caught it at the High Museum in Atlanta a few weeks before Christmas. They also had another exhibit--Leonard Freed: Black in White America.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
76. REC Thank you for posting
Sun Jan 18, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jan 2015

I'm glad these pictures were found. It would have been such a shame for them to have remained hidden.

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