Acceptable Angle of the Punch.

[Warren Stupidity]

I'm confused about the acceptable angle of the punch. I've learned on DU that we must only "punch up", not "down", but that leaves unanswered the question of which angles of inclination are acceptable and which aren't.

What do you think?

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	0 degrees: the punch must be straight down, but unlikely to hit anything unless standing over target.
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	45 degrees: your basic groin punch.
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	90 degrees: neither up nor down, punch to the midsection.
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	135 degrees: head shot.
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	180 degrees: only effective when lying on the ground.
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[Mbrow]

1. Ok Warren, I'll Bite

WTF?

[Warren Stupidity]

2. You have to follow the ever changing talking points of the islamic fundamentalist apologists here.

Their latest revision of why we should blame charlie hedbo is that they were "punching down" (bad) rather than "punching up" (good).

[Mbrow]

6. OK, thanks

I don't tend to post much as most of what I think gets posted already, plus I go to work and am offline for months at a time. I will add in with a bit of Humor or support when needed. Mostly I come here for the news, lots of good info here.
As for Charlie Hedbo, They have the right to say as they please, if you want to fight back, do it the same way, go after their sponsors like they did with Rush L. Show them to be racist or whatever you think they are and get people on your side. Southern poverty law center also comes to mind, but wanton murder is not making your point, people will push back on that. As for the "what did you expect? You were posting racist cartoons." crowd, well if it isn't obvious why thats a foolish idea (being murdered) I don't have much hope of making them (the Apologist) understand. But thats why I come here, some very gifted people who have a way with words, Mmm, WWW, a new slogan for someone.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Possibly a Saturday self-indulgent new post based on some silly argument in a different thread.

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There was mention of being confused, so the author thinks that a new thread on the matter might be unconfusing.

Makes sense, right?

Funny how the simplest things are often what confuses some folks the most.

Like tolerance, how hard is that to fathom?

[MohRokTah]

4. If one must punch in self defense, punch to take your opponent out.

Do not pull back the punch, that advertises the punch and gives your opponent a chance to counter.

Lift the fist and strike the opponent on the chin in a downward motion. This forces the jawbone back into basal ganglia nerves, resulting in such intense pain that the usual reaction is for the brain to completely shut down, thus knocking out your opponent.

Learned that one bouncing for bars.

[SidDithers]

5. What angle is Pope Frankie's 'you can't mock faith!' punch?...nt

Sid

[Warren Stupidity]

7. He punched heaven and god had a sad.

The angels were weeping. God was so sad, he killed a kitty.

[whatchamacallit]

9. Hey Sid, explain something for me

Considering your "pro science" mindset and staunch defense of speech ridiculing religion, why do you indulge in calling people and sources "antisemitic" at every opportunity? Seems a bit incongruous.

[SidDithers]

10. Because lots of sources are...

Mocking the religious beliefs is good. Saying that the Charlie Hebdo attacks, or 9/11, or Sandy Hook was a false flag attack carried out by THE JOOOOOOS isn't.

People who do the former are fine. People who do the latter don't deserve to be promoted at DU.

Sid

[Rhinodawg]

11. Thaaaaaaank you.

great post.

[whatchamacallit]

12. Your protests of only a particular form of defamation

are telling.

[SidDithers]

14. Pretty sure that I condemned those sources...

as racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic. It's pretty telling that you ignore the first two to focus on the third.

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

16. And anti-Christian and anti-Muslim?

How often do you condem those kinds of sources?

[SidDithers]

24. Sure...

Got an example of an anti-Christian or anti-Muslim source that's been used in the open forums of GD?

Noticed you glossed over the racist and homophobic part again. Why is that? Surely you haven't posted in support of someone like Paul Craig Roberts or Wayne Madsen, have you?

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

25. Have I?

I'm sure you'll provide a link. One as classy as you would never resort to implied smears.

[SidDithers]

26. Dunno. Have you?...nt

Sid

[whatchamacallit]

29. Haha you're the one trying to insinuate (something???) with dangling questions

Just like Fox

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/8ov5kh/the-question-mark

[Bluenorthwest]

15. For most of us, defamation is something done to people, not to ideas. So when a religious person

says gay people are disordered, that's defamation, when I say that dogma is a pile of hateful dog shit, that's just my correct opinion about the idea. If I said that religious people are disordered, that would be defamation, but I don't. They say that about me. I say that's not very nice of them, which again is not defamation, even if I do it with strong terms and a stinging phrase or two.

[Behind the Aegis]

32. How dare you stand up for Jews!

It is amazing how disingenuous people are being in regards to this issue. Speaking against Islam, Islamic countries, Muslims = Islamophobia! Of course, only the last is actually Islamophobic, while it is certainly possible the other two can be bigoted in some circumstances. Speaking against Zionism, Israel, Judaism = never anti-Semitic; speaking against Jews; maybe anti-Semitic...was Israel, Lieberman, ADL (other random Jew) somehow involved, if so, then definitely not anti-Semitism. Of course, these are the same people screeching about how unfair it is when anti-Semitism is combatted. When did "Jews" and "Muslims" become opposites?!

[LostOne4Ever]

8. Whatever angle does the most damage to the person spouting homophobic/sexist/racist nonsense (nt)

[Bluenorthwest]

13. The Pope both insults me and says I should be able to punch him for insulting me, but would punching

the Pope be a Cardinal sin? And would he turn the other cheek if I did?

[H2O Man]

17. Stiverne vs Wilder:

Stiverne, being shorter, will be punching upwards tonight. Wilder, at 6' 7", will -- as usual, be punching downward.

The key may be found in either of these two dynamics: Stiverne has experience in punching upward at taller opponents, and because he is mildly "muscle-bound," has his greatest punching power at that plain; Wilder will fing Steverne's head at his shoulder-level, also allowing for maximum punching power.

It should be an outstanding fight -- certainly more interesting than any DUer beating a dead horse.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. We all get our fun where we can find it.

I personally take great pleasure in pummeling dead horses.

Has anyone at 6'7" had a successful boxing career? It just seems they have to be at a disadvantage to a shorter fireplug type boxer.

[H2O Man]

19. Well done!

A few very tall fighters have done well. It is interesting to consider how someone considered a "giant" in the past -- I'm thinking of Sonny Liston as a great example -- would be a small-to-medium sized heavyweight today. (I think that there needs to be a "super heavyweight" division, as today's big fighters have an unfair size advantage over someone who stands 6' tall, and weighs 205 pounds.

Deontay Wilder is tall, but thin. He usually enters the ring at 229 lbs; tonight, he weighs 219.

The Klitschko brothers are 6' 6" and 6' 7" tall, and weight about 250 lbs. They have dominated a lack-luster division for the past decade. While technically good, both are generally among the most boring fighters I've seen in 50+ years.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. Would either of them stood a chance against Tyson in his prime?

I seem to recall Mike just destroying people much taller than he was.

[H2O Man]

21. No.

In my opinion, Iron Mike would have taken out Wilder, Stiverne, or either Klitschko within two rounds.

One of the best examples of Tyson versus a talented, tall opponent was when he beat Mitch "Blood" Green, the 4-time NYC Golden Gloves champion. Green was a tough guy, with very solid skills. But he began to fear Tyson in the first minute of the first round, when he found that he couldn't capitalize on his size advantage. Green clinched his way to a decision loss. He really could have had points taken away, or even been disqualified, for his survivalist tactics.

Lesser-skilled big men were generally counted out. Mike was efficient!

[Warren DeMontague]

22. "punching up" is one of these bogus terms, like "microaggressions"

which is basically a highfalutin' screen some people use to try to hide what is generally obvious, bald-faced hypocrisy.

[BainsBane]

30. I thought it was Bravenak's creation

She is the first person I heard use it. It's a non-academic way to talk about power and the dominant culture and is brilliant in its simplicity.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. With all due respect to Bravenak- who is good at expressing complex ideas elegantly, no question-

She didnt originate it.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/liz-labacz/2014/07/punching-up-and-the-rules-of-comedy/

It seems to have cropped out of discussions about the appropriateness of certain jokes in comedy, and I see the point, don't get me wrong. It is understandable in certain contexts why, for instance, some jokes are funny and some are painful or even offensive.

But in the broader context of being used as an excuse to justify identical behavior against certain groups that would not be okay against others, based on some sliding or arbitrary scale of alleged privilege/oppression, I think it has jumped the shark.

[BainsBane]

23. Punching down is good for shitting all over the poor and oppressed

They are most often the targets because so few care about them. So yeah, go after immigrant communities of color, especially when they worship a god we think is barbaric. I've been specifically told that since Western culture is superior to treat others with respect is disgusting. We need to own our ethnocentric, cultural imperialism. It's the American way. Gotta keep that war propaganda ginned up! It's our civic duty. Drone bombs away!

In case anyone needs it:

[malokvale77]

27. I punch...

whatever I´m aiming for, regardless of the angle.

[sakabatou]

28. Depends on the target and how you strike