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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy the Left is Different from the Right and why they want to stay that way.
Not all on the Right are bigoted, and not all on the Left are NOT bigoted.
However, when Bush lied this country into war in Iraq it unleased all the bigots who up to then, had to be a bit more careful than in previous times, about being openly displaying their bigotry.
9/11 happened and they got permission to return to the old days, where it was okay to launch disgusting, bigoted verbal, and as everyone surely remembers, even physical attacks at the latest 'other' group, who had tried to 'take away our freedoms'.
You couldn't go anywhere online, or to the Right Wing Noise Machine without seeing such disgusting epithets as 'camel jockeys' and 'ragheads' and much, much worse.
Even our Military Generals got in on the act: 'Treat the Iraqis like dogs'!
MUSLIMS! We had a new word for the old bigotry and every 'Patriot' joined in the action, just like old times again for them.
If ever there was a time I felt grateful to be on the Left, it was during the beginning of this ugly period.
The Left otoh, refused to broad brush an entire group of people because of the actions of a few.
Which to the mindless haters translated to 'the Left are not Patriots!' They were Saddam Lovers, traitors, singing 'Kumbaya with Terrorists'!
The War Machine was fueled by this rabid Nationalism and Muslim Americans were often the target of violence and anger.
Mindless, dangerous bigotry.
Challenges were issued to Muslims: 'Why don't you come out and CONDEMN these terrorists'? I noticed some Muslim owned businesses in our area putting up American flags, trying to show 'we are not the enemy' but irrational hatred doesn't deal in facts.
And near where I lived an Indian family who had owned a Convenience store for decades, known and respected in the area, their children born and raised as Americans, were attacked one day by mindless, ignorant bigots who couldn't tell the difference between an Iraqi and a native of India. It doesn't matter to them, they were not white and they 'all look the same' anyhow'.
I was proud of the people in our area that day. They came to the defense of that family, they held the perps until the police came. The father had tears in his eyes, thanking everyone for standing up for him, for something no one should have had to do if the bigotry had not been fueled by, at that time, mostly the Right.
I am proud to be on the Left right now. I am seeing the same thing happening again. The same arguments against the Left, who apparently should not allow the Right to maintain their role of bigoted, blind blame of an entire group of people for the actions of a few.
We are supposed to jump on that far right wagon, so we can 'win', what exactly?
Murderous fanatics committed a terrible crime, another one, in France. THEY are to blame for that.
I have zero interest in competing with the Right for just about ANYTHING frankly.
I'm more than happy to allow them to 'win' this war game where in order to keep it going, we must have an enemy.
This is the kind of human being I identify with:
Rais Bhuiyan after he was shot in the face on Sept. 21, 2001.
Just 10 days after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rais Bhuiyan was working at a gas station in Dallas when he was shot in the face by a man named Mark Stroman.
Stroman was on a shooting spree, targeting people who appeared to be Muslim or of Middle Eastern descent. Stroman is due to be executed July 20; Bhuiyan, the only survivor of the attacks, is fighting to save his life.
He wen through years of surgeries and his family, who were in Bangladesh, suffered more tragedy when his dad had a stroke upon hearing the news of his son's shooting.
The perpetrator of the hate crime, (are we all responsible for his crimes btw?) ended up on death row for HIS crimes.
However, Rais Bhuiyan worked with the defense to try to stop the execution.
"According to my faith in Islam, there is no hate, no killing. It doesn't allow anything like that," says Bhuiyan. "Yes, Mark Stroman did a horrible thing, and he brought a lot of pain and disaster, sufferings in my life. But in return I never hated him."
Bhuiyan has created a website called World Without Hate to educate others about hate crimes as a means of preventing them. He's also working with Amnesty International and Stroman's defense attorney, who has filed several appeals on Stroman's death sentence.
"I strongly believe executing him is not a solution. We will just simply lose a human life without dealing with the root cause, which is hate crime," Bhuiyan says. "In Islam it says that saving one human life is the same as saving the entire mankind. Since I forgave him, all those principles encouraged me to go even further, and stop his execution and save another human life."
Revenge and hatred simply continue the vicious cycle we are now in.
I have zero interest or intention of competing with bigots to show how 'patriotic' I am.
I would much rather compete with Rais, though I'm not sure about winning that contest either. However, people like this are who I look to for inspiration to become a better a human being.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The message of the Hebdo cover is being manipulated by the media once again to cover for their own lack of coherent logic in wanting apologies from the Muslim religion for the actions of mad men and refusing to see their own double standard.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 15, 2015, 12:54 AM - Edit history (1)
agreeing with him 'as soon as the West apologizes for all the terror they have rained down on other nations'.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)compete with those who foment hatred, who work in every way they can to stomp on the poor, the disable and the elderly.
I want to defeat them by opposing them strongly and working to take away the power they grabbed after 9/11 by electing Democrats who are not afraid of them, do not want to be 'bi-partisan' with people who view that as weakness.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)The Hebdo cover set back that effort immensely.
And the cover is not of the Prophet, who has met him and say that is what he looks like....it is a racist caricature of an Arab Muslim.
"All is Forgiven" is the big title of the cover, barely mentioned.
The cover is of forgiveness in the end, indentical to the same authors cartoon after Hebdo was firebombed years ago...also never mentioned.
Has anyone asked the author, who also recently blasted the American media as hypocrits?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)70% of Americans supported the invasion of a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Blind fear, and when the Left tried to explain why Iraq could not possibly have supported Al Queda, the reaction was 'traitor' 'terrorist supporter'.
The propagandists couldn't do it alone, it requires many people to help them. Using fear of 'losing' to the Right appears to be one of weakest reasons I've seen so far.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)FSogol
(45,525 posts)Well said.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)"The Jews..", "The Catholics..", "The Protestants...", "The unbelievers..", "The Muslims...", "The Indians..", "The Blacks..", "The Communists..", "The Unions..", etc, etc, etc.
It would be easier to just call the lot "The Bogeymen" so the fear mongers and bigots don't have to strain their feeble brains.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)enemy and then creating hatred for the enemy. Without that, they couldn't get support for their madness, because war is madness, especially when it isn't necessary, when it is for profit.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Works every time. Especially when they toss in "God Bless America" and constipated looking "experts" and generals bedecked in tinware.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)happens. It might not have been planned by the Deep State but it sure worked well for their agenda. It wouldn't surprise me if we have another.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)being requested for our 'war against Isis' apparently with 'boots on the ground' AGAIN.
Terror is better by far, than the old Commie threat. For one thing it is never ending, there always will be 'terrorists'.
Have you noticed that not one word has been said about the OTHER terrorist attack far closer to home? The bombing of the NAACP?
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Home born terrorism is a greater threat than home grown terrorism and "sleeper cells" that seem tonever get the wake up call.
Give the people fear and then offer solutions to save them. The solution offered is always war.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of the NAACP eg. THAT is a much greater threat to citizens of this country than what happened in France, but they never miss an opportunity to use such tragedies to promote MORE war.
I can't even bear to watch the MSM anymore, it is like something you read about when you were a kid regarding how the Soviet Union, or Germany managed their media, constantly using fear to control their populations.
It's all fear mongering. Measles outbreaks, Ebola outbreaks, Flu outbreaks, Terror threats etc etc.
And their solution for Terror has been an abysmal failure. We are apparently in MORE danger than we were before Iraq, which they are essentially saying.
Yet, people still buy into doing MORE of what FAILED, which is why they keep doing it.
It's just amazing how they get away with it.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)That is why they reserve the word right now for people from the ME. If they called every terrorist a terrorist, we would all be confused about what terrorist justified all of our wars.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)I've long thought and argued that the rise of islamophobia in this country since 9/11 explains in no small part the inroads that the racists have made from the fringes they were previously all but confined to.
I've thought and argued equally as long, for something akin to this. http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/former-conservatives-liberals-need-learn
All that "turning the other cheek" stuff is just an invitation to get them both slapped off, and using their rhetorical tactics (particularly when the truth is jn our side) hardly makes us "just like them".
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I am also far from 'turning the other cheek' to right wing morons, quite the opposite. I am appalled at how our own Party Leaders eg, cater to them, talk about 'bi-partisanship and compromise' when what is needed is the exact opposite, imo. It's embarrassing to be led by people who appear to be afraid of these bullies on the right.
I clicked your link and completely agree with this:
The OP was in response to people here on DU bemoaning the fact that we on the Left are 'ceding the battle to the Right' because we refuse to engage in their black and white thinking. In this case, join them by 'admitting' that all Muslims are responsible for the actions of a few criminals.
I believe in calling them bigots, and have to their faces. Not joining them because they 'are winning' some kind of battle.
To see people even here, suggesting we join the Right on anything, let alone their despicable bigotry is exactly what is wrong with Dems, go along with the Right because if we don't, they will win'?? No thank you! I like the sentiment in the excerpt above, 'cut the crap and fight like you mean it'! Yes!
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)but am glad that we don't. I based that primarily on the part about "not becoming the hater/bigot" they are stuff. Like you I'm "sure", I find a big diff between intolerance for their intolerance, and their intolerance, and I don't need hate for an individual or a collection of them to express it. Defense and protection of those they hate is my motive.
good post by the way...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to me. And the Left needs to get really tough on these people. I have no problem with that. That kind of bigotry needs a clear and unapologetic, extremely strong response from the Left. No matter what names they pull out of their bag of talking points. We have to get over the 'what will the Right say' nonsense. Of all the people in the world whose opinions should matter least to us, they are the ones that come to mind.
The Left operates on the defensive. Not everyone, but there seems to be fear of upsetting them. I could not care less about upsetting people who need to be upset.
JEB
(4,748 posts)all the thoughtful replies and comments.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)HUNTSVILLE, Texas -- A Texas inmate was executed Wednesday for killing a Dallas-area convenience store clerk during a shooting spree that he claimed was retaliation for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Mark Stroman, 41, said hate in the world needed to end and asked for God's grace shortly before the fatal drugs began flowing into his arms at the Texas Department of Criminal Justice Huntsville Unit. He was pronounced dead at 8:53 p.m., less than an hour after his final court appeal was rejected.
Stroman claimed the shooting spree that killed two men and injured a third in late 2001 targeted people from the Middle East, though all three victims were from South Asia. It was the death of 49-year-old Vasudev Patel, from India, that put Stroman on death row.
The lone survivor, Rais (Raze) Bhuiyan (Boo-yon), unsuccessfully sued to stop the execution, saying his religious beliefs as a Muslim told him to forgive Stroman. The courts denied his requests.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/20/mark-stroman-executed_n_905292.html
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)after 9/11. I'm sorry he was executed. It seems he was learning that hate doesn't solve anything. He certainly got a powerful lesson from Rais Bhuiyan.
He might have been able to do some good in prison, teach others not to take the road he took.
We waste so much human life.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)There is a guy attempting to raise money to make a documentary about it.
Might be worth a donation:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1065206485/execution-chronicles
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)updates on the left at the top of the page, his most recent update was Nov of last year, he is still working on the documentary. Apparently someone else is making a movie about the story and has asked him to be an adviser due to all of his work on the story. They have also offered to help fund his documentary so he can finish it and release it at the same time as the movie.
It is worth donating to imo. Apparently there was a real transformation in the man.
Thanks again for the link. Forgiveness can be a powerful thing.