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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:22 PM Jan 2015

The Jews have to stay in France. The Muslims as well.

The only ones who should leave alone us, the 66 milions of destinys are....

THE BIGOTS
THE LE PENS
THE HATERS
THE FASCIST.

Nous sommes Juifs.Musulmans. Chrétiens. Athées. Laïcs. Noirs. Arabes. Pauvres.Riches. Vieux. Jeunes. Hommes. Femmes. Enfants.
Nous sommes des etres humains.

Et nous n'avons pas peur.

WeAreNotAfraid.
We are Charlie.

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The Jews have to stay in France. The Muslims as well. (Original Post) mylye2222 Jan 2015 OP
Personally ann--- Jan 2015 #1
Just to be clear, do you support the desecration of anything? brooklynite Jan 2015 #2
No ann--- Jan 2015 #9
What about the desecration of Republicans? oberliner Jan 2015 #4
No it's not okay. We can criticize their policies without 'desecrating them' as human beings. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #14
Is it ok with you when religion defames and denigrates people and groups of people? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #6
No ann--- Jan 2015 #10
I think the problem comes from the idea of "desecration" bhikkhu Jan 2015 #15
Well, for example ann--- Jan 2015 #22
The image isn't sacred, and the offense is not desecration bhikkhu Jan 2015 #25
It is ann--- Jan 2015 #27
Desecration: the disrespectful treatment of that which is held to be sacred or holy brooklynite Jan 2015 #19
Therefore, if you do not hold something sacred smirkymonkey Jan 2015 #20
I didn't say ann--- Jan 2015 #28
Bien sūr tblue Jan 2015 #3
Apparently, the only place the Jews HAVE to leave, is Israel... PCIntern Jan 2015 #5
Sick, isn't it. grossproffit Jan 2015 #12
At first I thought it ironic that motivating Jews to leave France might strengthen Israel since pampango Jan 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jan 2015 #23
The French National Front would disagree with you on both counts. pampango Jan 2015 #7
++1,000 nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #8
If I was in France, I'd be in a hurry to leave. Kurska Jan 2015 #11
Mylye.... It's a terrible time right now Hekate Jan 2015 #13
k&r uppityperson Jan 2015 #16
Well said.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2015 #17
You forgot a group. Skidmore Jan 2015 #21
knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #24
Excuse me. But Muslims were the murderers here, the haters. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #26
 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
1. Personally
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:27 PM
Jan 2015

I am NOT "Charlie" or any other news media that desecrates the religion of ANYONE. However, I support the right to publish whatever is legal, because no on has to read it if they don't want to.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
9. No
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:36 AM
Jan 2015

I don't support or want to see the desecration of anything or anyone. Some people find that funny. I don't. But, I believe everyone should have the right to legally express their feelings and thoughts about religion or anything without being killed for it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
14. No it's not okay. We can criticize their policies without 'desecrating them' as human beings.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:26 AM
Jan 2015

They are public figures and can be satirized. That is something they understand when they seek public office.

But it is not okay to mock their ethnicity, religion, families etc.

Do you think it IS? Far as I knew this country suppresses free speech more than most free countries.

Should Imus have been fired eg?

Should a journalist be jailed for refusing to reveal his sources?

And I agree with the poster you just addressed.

Satire is mean to target the powerful.

That publication targeted the powerless.

Some people enjoy that kind of humor, some do not.

I'm not saying it should be illegal, but you asked if it was okay.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. Is it ok with you when religion defames and denigrates people and groups of people?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jan 2015

I just notice that the folks who are all 'oh, don't dishonor any religion' are never around to comment about the various religious figures in various religions around the world that say terrible things about LGBT people and those who actually carry out terrible actions against us.
Can't help but notice that. They rush to the defense of religion while human beings are left to fend for themselves.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
10. No
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:38 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think anyone or anything should be desecrated in cartoons or otherwise, but I ALSO said that everyone has the right to legal expression of their thoughts and feelings.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
15. I think the problem comes from the idea of "desecration"
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:28 AM
Jan 2015

I don't think that you can desecrate something that isn't sacred. And vice versa. The word really has no meaning, except to point out a type of unveiling that makes people angry.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
22. Well, for example
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jan 2015

the "art" displaying a cross in urine and the cartoon of a naked Muhammad in a suggestive position would be "desecration" to me. Or any other word you want to use to describe something that is not respectful to the person being depicted in the art/cartoon.

Something doesn't have to be "sacred" in order to be debased like that. Again, I repeat - it is NEVER cause for violence or murder against those who use free expression to create those distasteful depictions.

If people don't like to see those things - don't go see them or buy the paper to look at them.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
25. The image isn't sacred, and the offense is not desecration
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jan 2015

Art often pokes at our sensitivities, and our response says a great deal about ourselves. That's the point, really - self-examination, the opportunity to learn something, to have our assumptions challenged, our prejudices questioned, our weaknesses laid open. Not everyone wants that, and even open-minded people will have times in their lives where they need comfort more than question, but it does serve a real human purpose.

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
27. It is
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:23 PM
Jan 2015

to me. That's why I won't look at that kind of art or read that kind of media. However. violence is not the way to express disagreement.

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)
19. Desecration: the disrespectful treatment of that which is held to be sacred or holy
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:10 PM
Jan 2015

Why should this category of insult (as opposed to non-sacred insults or satire) get special consideration?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
20. Therefore, if you do not hold something sacred
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jan 2015

then however you choose to represent it is not considered desecration (to you).

 

ann---

(1,933 posts)
28. I didn't say
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:28 PM
Jan 2015

it shouldn't be done. Freedom of legal expression is a right. I'm saying I am not Charlie because I don't read or enjoy debasement of anyone or anything.

PCIntern

(25,554 posts)
5. Apparently, the only place the Jews HAVE to leave, is Israel...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:38 PM
Jan 2015

at least that's what I read around here from time to time...

pampango

(24,692 posts)
18. At first I thought it ironic that motivating Jews to leave France might strengthen Israel since
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 08:49 AM
Jan 2015

most of them would probably immigrate there. That would be a result that an Islamic terrorist would not want to be associated with.

I then wondered if decreasing the Jewish population in Western countries might weaken Western support for Israel in the long run. Even if Israel itself were strengthened by an influx of Western immigrants a decline in external support might be a win for its opponents.

Response to PCIntern (Reply #5)

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. The French National Front would disagree with you on both counts.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 05:56 PM
Jan 2015

They believe in "France for the French". For the NF it does not matter that you may have been born in France or have a French passport, Jews and Muslims do not qualify. Until recently the NF was virulently anti-Semitic. Of late they have focused more on being anti-Muslim. But there is no fondness for either in the ranks of the right.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
11. If I was in France, I'd be in a hurry to leave.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 01:36 AM
Jan 2015

More jews have been killed in France in terror attacks in the past 6 months than in Israel.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
21. You forgot a group.
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

The political leaders throughout the world who derive power from keeping religious extremism alive. Those who refuse to seek political solutions to the issues that give rise to grievances.

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