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zappaman

(20,606 posts)
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:12 PM Jan 2015

The Negative Social Impact of Conspiracy Theories

Conspiracy theories are often seen as laughable, and the people who believe them are considered paranoid but usually harmless individuals.

But while many conspiracy theories may indeed be harmless, recent psychological research suggests that some of the social consequences of conspiracy theories deserve more serious attention.

Many conspiracy theories undermine people’s confidence in established positions on topics such as climate change and vaccination.
My colleague Daniel Jolley and I found, for example, that people who were exposed to anti-government conspiracy theories were less likely to want to vote than those who had read information refuting conspiracy theories. In a similar study, we found that people who read about climate change conspiracy theories (versus those who read anti-conspiracy material and those who read no material about climate change) expressed less intention to take action to reduce their carbon footprint. In another investigation, we found that reading about anti-vaccine conspiracy theories reduced people’s intentions to vaccinate, compared with those who viewed arguments refuting conspiracy theories, or those who read no material about vaccination.

In each case, conspiracy theories decreased social engagement because they left people feeling powerless, and there is also some evidence that conspiracy theories might influence people without them knowing it.


Much more at http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/01/04/are-conspiracy-theories-all-bad-17/the-negative-social-impact-of-conspiracy-theories

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The Negative Social Impact of Conspiracy Theories (Original Post) zappaman Jan 2015 OP
Hmm. To me, if something babylonsister Jan 2015 #1
So true. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #2
but its OK for Rush LimpDick to accuse FreakinDJ Jan 2015 #3
Who has argued that? I may be missing something. el_bryanto Jan 2015 #23
No, that's not okay jberryhill Jan 2015 #26
This never happened, you were just dreaming it all Fumesucker Jan 2015 #4
That's a fact. zappaman Jan 2015 #5
Go tell them that over on Discussionist Fumesucker Jan 2015 #6
No thanks. zappaman Jan 2015 #7
You've been around long enough to know a lot of people will admit nothing Fumesucker Jan 2015 #8
What's a fact?...the conspiracy to steal the election? zeemike Jan 2015 #12
Ah, playing the "here's a real conspiracy, so that's why all the other conspiracies... Silent3 Jan 2015 #9
Not quite Fumesucker Jan 2015 #11
Feyman's statement applies a lot more strongly to fooling yourself into believing... Silent3 Jan 2015 #14
A shadowy group of Republican operatives coming together to help steal a Presidental election? Fumesucker Jan 2015 #15
That could itself be an example of the CTers spoling the public debate Silent3 Jan 2015 #20
I continue to be saddened by the popularity of conspiracy theories in the general populace -- oneview Jan 2015 #10
You mean like Jimmy Savile? Or Jeffrey Epstein? Wait; you think LHO was a "lone wolf killer"? WinkyDink Jan 2015 #25
Yes! For without CT's, we might be more receptive to NYT articles such as written by Judith Miller! WinkyDink Jan 2015 #13
And of course some came true when evidence was discovered. Rex Jan 2015 #16
WTH? There were no WMDs in Iraq. Period. No "yellow cakes." No "mobile bio-warfare labs." ALL LIES. WinkyDink Jan 2015 #24
Yeah I know that, do you usually completely miss the point of a reply Rex Jan 2015 #27
All the news that's print to fit Fumesucker Jan 2015 #17
I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jan 2015 #18
"Evidence of Revision" --YouTube That is all. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2015 #19
I thought Creative Specualtion was only to be discussed in Creative Speculation ? GreatGazoo Jan 2015 #21
Pfui. Savannahmann Jan 2015 #22

babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
1. Hmm. To me, if something
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jan 2015

sounds too far out to be believed, it usually is. And all bets are off if Alex Jones is mentioned.

Sounds like critical thinking is lacking. Scary.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
3. but its OK for Rush LimpDick to accuse
Fri Jan 9, 2015, 11:58 PM
Jan 2015

The Clintons of having Foster killed on a Nationally Broadcast Radio show day after day

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
23. Who has argued that? I may be missing something.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jan 2015

That would be a conspiracy theory, wouldn't it? And the article is about how those have negative consequences.?

Bryant

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
7. No thanks.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 12:26 AM
Jan 2015

So do they think those people were NOT Republicans from the campaign?
If so, then that's the conspiracy theory.
CTs are both on the right and the left.
Just ask Vince Foster.
Oh wait...you can't cuz Bill killed him after discovering Hilary's affair.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
8. You've been around long enough to know a lot of people will admit nothing
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:03 AM
Jan 2015

So much depends on perspective, here we are with a dozen people just massacred over rather juvenile (on the surface) cartoons depicting some dude who partook of the spoiled bread fourteen hundred years ago. Damned if I can understand the killer's perspective from a personal standpoint although we are all becoming far too aware of its existence.

"The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn't exist.”

To the average person Bill Cosby was a great guy, Dr Huxtable, until just recently.








zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. What's a fact?...the conspiracy to steal the election?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:31 AM
Jan 2015

Got any proof of it?...that picture is a conspiracy fact but it is still a theory unless you prove they conspired to do it...so basicly you cannot claim it unless you prove it in court.

But that is where they have us by the balls...anything you say is a conspiracy theory and can be dismissed because there are wacky ones out there and yours must be one too.

It is the greatest thing there is in controlling people...label them and throw it all in the same box.
So stolen elections, and lizard people are the same...if Alex Jones says it you must not believe it...and on the other end if a liberal says it you must not believe it...a powerful tool.

Silent3

(15,219 posts)
9. Ah, playing the "here's a real conspiracy, so that's why all the other conspiracies...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:08 AM
Jan 2015

...I'm believe in must be true!" card.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
11. Not quite
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:16 AM
Jan 2015

It's more along the lines of "don't ever be entirely sure you know the truth" because I can't begin to convince plenty of people I know that the event I pictured ever happened.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest one to fool.. -Richard Feynman

Silent3

(15,219 posts)
14. Feyman's statement applies a lot more strongly to fooling yourself into believing...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:46 AM
Jan 2015

...in Big Conspiracies than doubting them.

The CT mindset is, of course, a "you can't fool me!" reaction, but it's that very defensive desire not to be fooled by others, especially THEM, this Big Powerful Other, that leads people to fool themselves.

The conspiracies that turn out to be real are usually pretty unremarkable once revealed -- they don't require amazing amounts of secrecy, huge shadowy networks, they don't require the amazing competence to both make the shit hit the fan and also control where each bit and every bit of splatter falls, they don't depend on believing all or nearly all of the rich and the powerful routinely put aside their rivalries to closely coordinate their evil plans for world domination.

Yes, maybe sometimes something that seems crazy can turn out to be true.

But you don't improve your odds of being right, thinking you'll somehow get ahead of the curve, by believing crazy ideas before they're widely accepted, as if the very lack of current acceptance is somehow evidence in-and-of-itself of likely future vindication.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. A shadowy group of Republican operatives coming together to help steal a Presidental election?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:59 AM
Jan 2015

What a whack conspiracy theory that is.

I'm saying almost the opposite of what you think I'm saying, I can't convince people of an actual conspiracy because they are primed not to believe in conspiracy theories.

Silent3

(15,219 posts)
20. That could itself be an example of the CTers spoling the public debate
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:49 AM
Jan 2015

When a real conspiracy comes along, perhaps because the people who see conspiracy everywhere seem so nutty, many people who don't want to be associated with all of that craziness overlook actual conspiracies that should get their attention.

 

oneview

(47 posts)
10. I continue to be saddened by the popularity of conspiracy theories in the general populace --
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:08 AM
Jan 2015

it's not even ideology-based; lefties, righties and moderates all fall victim to CT.

I think today's historians deserve a lot of blame for it; they're often so carefully postmodernist that they completely hate "narrative" -- and that's what average people are looking for in history (understandably) -- tell me the story!

When the experts refuse to tell a story, CT cranks fill the gap.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
25. You mean like Jimmy Savile? Or Jeffrey Epstein? Wait; you think LHO was a "lone wolf killer"?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jan 2015

Maybe Brutus worked alone, too.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
13. Yes! For without CT's, we might be more receptive to NYT articles such as written by Judith Miller!
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 01:44 AM
Jan 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
16. And of course some came true when evidence was discovered.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 02:01 AM
Jan 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Committee

Take your pick who is more dangerous - someone that only believes events happen in a vacuum or someone that believes everything in life is a conspiracy against them.

Which one would you trust if you had to? One seems like a dumb red shirt on star trek and the other believes NASA bombed the moon.
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
24. WTH? There were no WMDs in Iraq. Period. No "yellow cakes." No "mobile bio-warfare labs." ALL LIES.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:19 AM
Jan 2015

BTW: Homey don't play that "False Dichotomy" game.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
27. Yeah I know that, do you usually completely miss the point of a reply
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jan 2015

or did you just miss this one?

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
22. Pfui.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jan 2015

The problem is not that Conspiracy Theories exist. It's that they've been proven true time and time again. NSA isn't spying on you, well, not on you individually. Snowden is a traitor for revealing the extent that the NSA is actually spying on you.

We are not targeting civilians. We don't do that. Any suggestion that we are is mere conspiracy theory nonsense. Bradley Manning is a traitor for revealing the video that proves that we are targeting people who are unarmed, and no threat.

Project Azorian. Project Ivy Bells. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments. Iran-Contra. Extraordinary Rendition.

God, I could go on for hours just posting links to things that were dismissed as conspiracy theory, and then later, confirmed to be true. CIA admitting that half the UFO's sighted were because of them. Secret planes and all that.

So when a Government acts in an untrustworthy manner, or betrays that trust regularly, complaining that the people don't trust them is kind of asinine to say the least. Worse, each one that is proven, gives credence to the next, no matter how improbable it may seem. Because the previous dozen seemed pretty improbable too.

Now, each of these proven projects, operations, and policies were preceded by denials, before finally admitting that the truth was we were doing it. No, we're not doing that. Oh, you have the papers? Well, yes we are, and the person who gave you those papers is a traitor. We're going to put them on trial for revealing the dirty secrets, and we're not going to try anyone for actually doing the dirty secret stuff.

So the Government acts in an untrustworthy manner, and then complains that it isn't trusted by the people. Go figure.

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