What sorts of images can drive you to murder?

[RadiationTherapy]

What sorts of illustrations, cartoons, or digital imagery might make you plan and execute a murder raid? Upon what philosophies or morals would you base such an action? Or would it be a matter of biochemistry, perhaps?

If you believe you cannot be brought to a state of murderous outrage by media content and production, will you share some of what inhibits or prevents you from doing it?

[MohRokTah]

1. .

[clydefrand]

2. Simple,

my upbringing for one. Have never wanted anyone dead (well, maybe Rush )

[NCTraveler]

3. If I see Miley Cyrus with her tongue hanging uncomfortably out of her mouth again............nt.

[PassingFair]

8. LOL

[aikoaiko]

26. that is so awesome.

[msanthrope]

64. That is so awesome!!! Thank you!!! nt

[yuiyoshida]

67. Roflmao!!

[bettyellen]

4. Ted Bundy claimed that snuff films fueled his desire to kill women. But he may have already started

on that path when he was underage, and would have said anything to get a stay of execution at that point.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. Nothing that I know of could make me 'plan' a murder. I have a brain, and can think.

I can imagine images that would make me want to plan a police raid to capture and imprison those who have committed heinous crimes so they could be treated for their disturbed mental processes.

And maybe, just maybe, I could be driven to violence in the heat of the moment, but given time to sit back and let adrenaline wash out, I can't imagine sustaining a desire to murder, even those are mass murderers themselves.

Our Founding Fathers got one thing right - the 'Right to Life' was the #1 thing they mentioned. The ONLY time that the state (or individuals) should intervene with potentially lethal actions are in extremis, to prevent greater numbers from being killed.

We should not go to war for any reason less than preventing greater numbers of deaths. We should not execute anyone we have already captured. We should not employ any potentially lethal force against anyone who is not themselves employing lethal force, and even then only if every other option has failed, or if waiting means more dead bodies.

If yo can stop any crime without employing lethal force, the very foundation of our country says that you should.

[Avalux]

30. It's not your brain that keeps you from murdering people.

It's that part of you, your consciousness, soul - whatever you want to call it. It's an awareness, you know it's there, but it can't be explained by science. How many times have you argued with yourself? Who is doing the arguing, and who usually wins?

We see what happens in the world when the brain wins, and the worthiness of the lives of other human beings gets trumped by money, power and possessions.

[el_bryanto]

6. Cats with bad grammar or bad spelling - i don't know why but that infuriates me.

So far I've been able to keep my murderous impulses in check, I assume. In fairness, I have had a number of blackouts where I can't account for my time.

Bryant

[RadiationTherapy]

12. Blackouts are probably nothing unless they were preceded by an extended insomnia.

You'll be fine probably!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. Sounds like you has

a sad.

[GreatGazoo]

61. "I can haz 'Elements of Style' and spell czech ?"

[2naSalit]

7. My sense that everyone deserves respect

until proven otherwise. I have wished for the early departure of my torturers - I was brutally abused and enslaved in my childhood so I had thoughts of killing them to escape before they killed me - but I have no desire to kill anything, dog, pesky wildlife, fish on a hook... and there certainly is no "image" in print or otherwise which could prompt me to go that far beyond my own sense of humanity.

[RadiationTherapy]

9. I am sorry for you loss and glad of your survival and determination.

It is inspiring to see your compassion intact. Good luck and I hope you are well.

[2naSalit]

16. It took

a couple of angry decades to see life in a different way, but my experience didn't make me a violent killer. I wasn't exactly pleasant to be around either so I isolated myself. Once I transitioned, life has been much better, being an adult with self determination rights made a big difference too.

And thank you for your concern but being sorry isn't as necessary as being a contributor to changing how it is that these atrocities are possible.

OIne would hope that homo sapiens having had a few millennia to evolve would have developed a better sense of recognition of the right to life (to name one) of all species by now.

[RadiationTherapy]

23. I think I participate in changing the world and evolving beyond the atrocious.

My contributions may be "millimetrical," but I participate. "Sorry" is a versatile, though inadequate, term for a lot of moments and I lacked a different term in that moment. I think I understand your sentiment about concern and activating change. Thank you for sharing that.

Good luck!

[2naSalit]

28. Indeed.

I had considered the reason for your use of "sorry" as I wrote my response... I think we both have the same idea about that.

I try to participate as I can, and I a sure that most people do or try to. The fact that alternate concepts/approaches for responding to an issue arise in the consciousness of anyone is a good start to resolving the issue.

[dissentient]

10. Two words: Justin Bieber

[treestar]

11. I don't think the question is that simple

I don't think there are any. But I am American and most of us can say that.

It's not the images alone. Plenty of Muslims didn't kill anyone over them.

They are like shooters here in the US - murderers, yet the apparent "reasons" for the murder are insane and legally inexcusable.

Most of us think we would not kill because our dog told us to. Or God told us to. Or we think we should start Helter Skelter because the black man is failing to do it. Or because we don't like Mondays. If some of the people with these reasons had happened to be from another culture, i.e. Muslim, this would have been their reason instead.

[RadiationTherapy]

13. So do you consider those who would murder over media to be a biochemistry matter?

Is there something else that the Paris murders can be attributed to?

[The2ndWheel]

21. Diversity

It, along with evolution and adaptation, can at times be messy and volatile.

[RadiationTherapy]

33. It can't merely be diversity, since that is so common and not always volatile and messy.

[treestar]

68. Where did I say that?

Please indicate how my post implied or argued that it is a biochemistry matter. What is a biochemistry matter? Is there a theory out there that murderers have a certain blood chemistry? How did I relate to that?

[RadiationTherapy]

74. Sorry, no, that was my own addition. I'm sorry I phrased it poorly.

I was clumsily referring to some of the biochemical characteristics of some mental illnesses. My apologies.

[hfojvt]

77. plenty of Americans kill or shoot at other people

perhaps over being disrepected.

One of the things that would clearly keep me from planning out a murder is - I have sort of a comfortable spot in society. I have a job, a home, am looking forward to retiring in about four years. I have a family - sort of (three dogs).

So planning and executing a murderous attack is sorta going to ruin my life. Having shot up some newspaper office, now where am I supposed to live? I have to stay hidden - where? Where do I live? How do I get income for food? Who's taking care of my dogs? Where's my laptop with my research on it?

These people are part of a 'criminal" (or mercenary) network which presumably provides them with places to stay and some income, or they get income from robberies. They have no place in soceity, or they had a really crappy and insecure place, and are willing to live out the rest of their lives as desperados, or mercenaries, or soldiers. Maybe soldier was their place in society before, so this isn't a change. Sometimes men get conscripted into that kind of life, in other places war is all they know.

[treestar]

78. That's a good point

When we don't have a desperate life, we don't judge completely from an objective place. It is hard to be smug and say even in that situation I wouldn't deal drugs, etc. I would like to think I wouldn't (and there are people in those situations who don't). I can't be certain I'd be the one though.

[BlueJazz]

14. You know the person who designs those "self-seal" bags that are used in sliced meat and various...

...other items but the items are hard to open and the seals never seem to seal.?

Them.

[Glassunion]

35. I feel you

[Half-Century Man]

17. None.

As of yet, no image, text, or group of texts have driven, lead, or pointed me in the general direction of committing murder. My general area has been murder free for 55+ years now.
There have been deaths; traffic accidents, illnesses, old age, and such. But, no murders.




If you believe that beings do receive divine punishment for sin committed during their lives; that they receive never ending pain and humiliation, without respite, administered by creative immortal sadists.
And that this will happen for eternity; which by best guess is now some 13.9 billion years old.
There is no foreseeable end to eternity, hence the name "Eternity".
Eligibility for divine punishment happens during the time spent in the mortal world.
An exemplary life span would be 100 years.
So...actions, lack of actions, or thoughts committed in portions of each soul's 0.000000000000000000013% of eternity spent eligible for punishment; result in zero tolerance judgment followed by maximum level punishment regardless of level of sin.
And said punishment would continue for whatever remains of eternity.

How big of a fundamentalist nitwit does one have to be, to think any action they take against any perceived sinner makes any difference at all? Other than to make the fundamentalist nitwit eligible for divine punishment for murder.

[RadiationTherapy]

25. My answer to your last point is the arrogance and self-import that comes along with most

religious belief systems. Almost every major religion seems to me to be an incredible appeal to hyper-inflating one's ego while, completely un-ironically, calling one's self humble. Bizarro.

[L0oniX]

18. OMG

[NuclearDem]

19. One word: cloppers.

[Throd]

20. A classic car on 22" rims.

[Lurks Often]

22. The people who committed the attack don't view it as murder,

for that matter anyone who is willing to kill over "illustrations, cartoons, or digital imagery" will find a way to rationalize it as something other then murder to justify their actions.

[RadiationTherapy]

24. Well, they must view it as something akin to murder. They hadn't done such a thing before this.

Even if it isn't "murder" it is a concept that seems to be similarly taboo.

[YarnAddict]

27. Tortured and abused animals.

No question.

[RadiationTherapy]

31. You would be certain enough the images weren't faked that you would murder?

[Avalux]

29. It's not the image. It's the person.

If a person is not balanced, wallows in self-hatred, has no respect or empathy for other people, anything can give them a reason to murder. They do not value the lives of others.

I cannot be brought to a state of murderous outrage by an image because I recognize it for what it is - another person's interpretation of something, and they have a right to do so. Even if I find it disturbing and express my opinion verbally, the image/the message, doesn't affect who I am internally. I remain balanced.

[RadiationTherapy]

36. "value the lives of others" - I wonder if "empathy education" could be "spread."

Some sort of way to increase that sense of value.

[Avalux]

42. Meditation.

Don't laugh at that. In order for a person to value the life of another, they must first value their own. The only way to do that is to be able to recognize the external conditioning and beliefs that are taught to us by others are not the truth. We have to learn to quiet our brains and step back from all the negative thoughts we create from those false messages. Thoughts like "I'm a bad person", "I'm not good enough", "what's the point of living", "why can't I be like so and so"....thoughts we use to judge and punish ourselves over and over. Meditation helped me stop the endless loop of negativity and realize none of it's true. I can choose whatever I want to believe about myself, and I choose love.

If a person loves himself or herself, then it's impossible to want to hurt or kill others.

[RadiationTherapy]

49. No no! I would not laugh! I like this idea as a part of the solution.

I think - especially for the already religious - that meditation has a reputation of being "religious" itself. I think meditation, and yoga for another example, can be very useful for finding calm and self-reflection. For me, they need to be stripped of supernatural ideas, but I am picky.

[Avalux]

60. That's the beauty of it, you can make it whatever you want.

For some, there is a negative 'new age' connotation attached to meditation, but there is no right or wrong way, same with yoga (I practice it every day). It's not spooky, or weird, or freaky.

In the most simple terms, it's paying attention to your breath, which creates space and allows obsessive thoughts to recede. Meditation isn't about stopping or controlling thoughts, it's about allowing a thought to happen (positive or negative), then letting it go. There's a lot of freedom in that. The benefits are enormous.

My dream is to open a mediation center that ISN'T 'religious' or 'supernatural'. A place where anyone can feel comfortable and unplug from the craziness that surrounds us.

[Half-Century Man]

63. In Jewish-Christian-Muslim based religious traditions

It could be argued that those "forty day" periods prophets spent in the wildernesses, were times of meditation.
Extended periods of personal time spent in prayer could be seen as meditation.


I do feel the need to point out that: If the one meditating is, a raving hate filled misogynistic xenophobic sociopath. Having them becoming a calm decisive hate filled misogynistic xenophobic sociopath does little to improve the world.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Absolutely none but there are things someone can say to me that would provoke a violent ...

Absolutely none but there are things someone can say to me that would provoke a violent but not lethal reaction.

[seabeyond]

34. this, this, and this.

[RadiationTherapy]

37. This images make you murderous?

[seabeyond]

38. really? you are talking about you as in us personally? like any murderers on du?

or what i assumed you to mean, was you as universal.... people.

but you adeptly handled purposely dismissing my point. right?

[cleanhippie]

40. You had a point?

Could you please elaborate on just what that point might be?

[RadiationTherapy]

45. Well, since I apparently missed your point, it seems unlikely I dismissed it.

And since my OP was written in the 2nd person asking what images drive "you" to murder and since I used the word "you" several times and since you posted pictures about feminism, I was left wondering if those images make you murderous.

So, I obviously did not "dismiss" your point.

[seabeyond]

46. um hm

[RadiationTherapy]

50. I am a feminist, sb.

I don't mind if i don't meet your personal criteria, but I am not dense.

[seabeyond]

56. i put up images that drive people to murder. no more or less. hence pondering why it confuses

some.

[RadiationTherapy]

57. Because the question - which most seemed to understand, but I don't mind clarifying -

was directed to the reader as an individual. Most of the responses here are contextualized as the writer speaking about themselves. So when you posted images you feel drives *others* crazy - and I agree with you on that - it was a little confusing for me.

[EX500rider]

81. When did a poster of Rosie the Riveter ever drive someone to murder?

[malaise]

39. Not one n/t

[cleanhippie]

41. Child porn.

As a father, child porn has the possibility to send me over the edge.

[RadiationTherapy]

47. I thought about that too.

But to be absolutely certain of the content creator, that it wasn't digitally altered, etc. seems risky. Child rape is a possible situation for me as well.

[cleanhippie]

48. Child porn IS child rape.

[RadiationTherapy]

51. Yes. That is why I said rape instead of porn.

[cleanhippie]

53. It wasn't clear, but I'm agreeing with you.

[RadiationTherapy]

54. And I with you! Farkin confusin innit!? hahaha

[REP]

43. Just this one.

[msanthrope]

65. But just Angela Lansbury, right? nt

[REP]

79. Whoever she tells me to kill

We have a complicated relationship.

[Rex]

44. Nothing.

I will only kill in self defense. Propaganda has no affect on me.

[Quantess]

52. Well I guess if I were a male and found out my sister or daughter

had a forbidden relationship with some un-pre-approved boy, and was "shaming" my family.

[RadiationTherapy]

59. Barf.

And Barf part deaux, the return of Barf.

[LAGC]

55. If I see a Flying Spaghetti Monster with more than two meatballs, it is fucking ON!!!

I'm talking apoplectic RAGE!!!!!!

[Major Nikon]

58. Only this one

Do NOT click on this. You have been warned!

[treestar]

69. lol

I'll be your accomplice on that!

[bobclark86]

80. Yeah, his haircut...

and the whole trench coat in an underpass down by the river at night thing...

[Sheepshank]

62. Seeing film or pics of someone torturing and killing my child...might

it might drive me to kill the perpetrator, but I just don't think I can condemn an entire race or faith because of it and kill other innocents. If it were done under the instruction and oversight of lets say ISIS (I'm thinking of those mothers who had their sons beheaded)...I could possible extend my rage to others in that particular group. But I'm not 100% sure it's in me to take another life, except in actual combate (kill or be killed). But I've also not been pushed to the limits...i don't know what I am capable of until right at that moment.

[treestar]

70. +1

Nobody knows what they are capable of - too many of us are rather smug that we wouldn't ever do anything wrong.

Yet people who do have all sorts of backgrounds.

[bigwillq]

66. A car doing 50 in the left lane.

I kid. Kind of. No image can make me murder someone.

But I do have awful road rage and sometimes can't control my rage while driving. I need to work on that. None of you are safe with me on the road. LOL

I wish we all could drive bumper cars and I could whack you from behind (and you can do the same to me) if you're not driving up to my standards.

[Jappleseed]

71. A very good question for our current administration.

They seem to have a very low bar, and drone men, women, and children out of existance on a whim.

Of course many who decry the sensless and horrible violence in Paris, say little about the drones.

[Xyzse]

73. If I see an un-touched image of a man or woman that...

Committing a heinous crime to a child, especially if it is someone I know.

That is just conjecture, and I probably still won't. However, I think that might actually get me close to that point.

[RadiationTherapy]

75. Ya. Being certain the image isn't a fake is difficult for me as well if we are talking murder.

But violence toward children and other powerless is probably the closest I can get to image inspired violence.

[Xyzse]

76. Other than that, nothing really.

I mean, sure there are images of breath-taking stupidity that makes you want to do a facepalm, or slap someone upside the head...
But that is a completely different story.