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Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:02 AM Apr 2012

So Geithner said that Social Security trust fund will run out by 2033.

Plug 2033 and Social Security into Google and you see articles from almost every news source possible listed over the course of the past 24 hours. Apparently it is attributable partially to the fact that we boomers aren't dying fast enough as well as cost of energy and slow economic recovery.

What is the political purpose of putting this out there now, given that realistically there is absolutely nothing constructive this congress will do about anything before the election is over?

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So Geithner said that Social Security trust fund will run out by 2033. (Original Post) Skidmore Apr 2012 OP
Social Security will never run out of money until all the American People are dead. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #1
It just struck me as peculiar that so many outlets are reporting this statement Skidmore Apr 2012 #2
That's because those outlets are the corporate media; they're owned by corporate conglomerates Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #9
The excess trust money will be gone, then the funding will be at whatever is collected. dkf Apr 2012 #7
It will be replenished by the government or other adjustments will be made Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #11
Why should we not report on the need for it to be "replenished?" joeglow3 Apr 2012 #25
There is no reason not to report that SS should be replenished so long as a reasonable perspective Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #28
It's a relatively inconsequential bit of accounting. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #42
The size of the deficit and other obligations will determine how feasible it is. dkf Apr 2012 #30
If the Bush tax cuts for the mega-wealthy remain in effect while we wage war, Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #31
I know that you know we cannot become Greecce. girl gone mad Apr 2012 #44
The projection is based on cooked numbers MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #3
Yes, Obama has been planning on stealing the SS trust fund since before he even became POTUS. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #4
Well, the first I heard him talk about SS "needing to be saved" MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #14
Great! Ulcer Apr 2012 #32
The GDP you are relying on isn't what we are projecting going forward. dkf Apr 2012 #5
Cheap oil may be a thing of the past, but projecting to 2033 doesn't mean cheap energy will be Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #12
Lol. We will likely crash and burn before that transition seeing as how we are so attached to oil. dkf Apr 2012 #17
We will and already are evolving our culture whether it be the increasing trend toward Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #24
I wish I was that optimistic. dkf Apr 2012 #27
I saw a registered republican energy scientist (oxymoron, I know) on PBS last night magical thyme Apr 2012 #16
"if we have the political will". dkf Apr 2012 #19
It's a serious problem...that's why all income should be subject to FICA... rfranklin Apr 2012 #10
According to Social Security Works.... rsmith6621 Apr 2012 #6
and with people who are now cutting back on health care SoCalDem Apr 2012 #38
So how else can we pay for optional wars, keeping Gitmo open, retirment benefits for war criminals? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #8
Sigh. No. TheWraith Apr 2012 #15
Reagan and all the politicians who supported borrowing from the trust fund didn't think so. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #18
So, where is that money? joeglow3 Apr 2012 #26
We need to cut Social Security taxes then to fix the problem. denverbill Apr 2012 #13
The Administration will resume the efforts to make us eat our peas after the election TheKentuckian Apr 2012 #20
The continued "holiday" will become permanent, which will kill SS sooner rather than later sad sally Apr 2012 #43
This reminds me of when I was in 5th grade marlakay Apr 2012 #21
So it's NOT broke. By contrast, the US Army is only budgeted for the CURRENT Fiscal Year. Scuba Apr 2012 #22
Wouldn't SS continue to grow as the population (and workforce) Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #23
So how have past projections held up? JHB Apr 2012 #29
Vote Buying? Ulcer Apr 2012 #33
Who will you vote for for president? nt cyberswede Apr 2012 #34
Can we write-in someone? Ulcer Apr 2012 #36
So you've sold your vote to the highest bidder is what I take from Skidmore Apr 2012 #41
Then there's this: Ulcer Apr 2012 #35
"What is the political purpose of putting this out there now...?" Zorra Apr 2012 #37
The reason- To prepare us to accept a raise in the retirement age and reduced benefits n2doc Apr 2012 #39
All part of Obama's plan formed decades ago. Snake Alchemist Apr 2012 #46
Create jobs and have more people paying in and paying taxes and this won't be a problem. WI_DEM Apr 2012 #40
These evil think tanks are putting out all the propaganda they can to scare people. Cleita Apr 2012 #45
it was the headline on our newspaper here in nashville this a.m. spanone Apr 2012 #47

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
1. Social Security will never run out of money until all the American People are dead.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:10 AM
Apr 2012

Thanks for the thread, Skidmore.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
2. It just struck me as peculiar that so many outlets are reporting this statement
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:12 AM
Apr 2012

with nearly an edge of panic to the report. It struck me as even more peculiar that Geithner put this out there. Something is going on somewhere. Who is trying to sell what to the nation now?

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
9. That's because those outlets are the corporate media; they're owned by corporate conglomerates
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:27 AM
Apr 2012

and they have an inherent financial conflict of interest.

The Social Security Administration rarely if ever buys commercials from them, but you can bet the last dollar in your wallet, Stock-brokerage Firms, Insurance Corporations, Banks and various other sellers of financial products do and would love to buy even more advertising with the vast quantity of social security dollars collected from the American People.

If Geitner said Social Security would run out of money by 2033 he's either lying or so sadly mistaken as to make it tragic that he has such a powerful position in government, however if Geitner said Social Security would be "insolvent" aka; paying out more than collecting in 2033 and it's being reported by the corporate media as "run out of money" by 2033, then their obvious conflct of interest is driving them.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
7. The excess trust money will be gone, then the funding will be at whatever is collected.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:20 AM
Apr 2012

Projections are that payouts will be approximately 75% of what was promised.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
11. It will be replenished by the government or other adjustments will be made
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:31 AM
Apr 2012

to make up for the loss of the excess; which of course the nation has been spending for other purposes, that's not the same as "run out of money."

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
28. There is no reason not to report that SS should be replenished so long as a reasonable perspective
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:23 PM
Apr 2012

is maintained re: the time element and full disclosure of all extenuating circumstances are in the mix of the reporting.



girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
42. It's a relatively inconsequential bit of accounting.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:24 PM
Apr 2012

Reporting on it is fine, but breathless hyperbole is not.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
30. The size of the deficit and other obligations will determine how feasible it is.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:01 PM
Apr 2012

If we've turned ourselves into Greece then fat chance.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
31. If the Bush tax cuts for the mega-wealthy remain in effect while we wage war,
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:15 PM
Apr 2012

Greece will look good to us.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
44. I know that you know we cannot become Greecce.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:37 PM
Apr 2012

The size of our deficit is not a determinative data point.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
3. The projection is based on cooked numbers
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:14 AM
Apr 2012

Unless our economy gets even worse and stays that way for good, SS is fully funded as far out as has been studied (75 years).

Both parties want to grab the trillions in the SS Trust Fund so they can hyperlow-low taxes for the wealthiest Americans. They'll try again after the elections.

Shame.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
14. Well, the first I heard him talk about SS "needing to be saved"
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:36 AM
Apr 2012

was shortly before his inauguration.

Of course his more immediate demands became clearer later, e.g.:

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP

 

Ulcer

(5 posts)
32. Great!
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:30 PM
Apr 2012

I'm so glad Obama spent his whole first term setting up new programs instead of trying to save existing ones from bankruptcy. I thought Dems were suppose to look out for SS, Medicare, etc. no?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
5. The GDP you are relying on isn't what we are projecting going forward.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:17 AM
Apr 2012

It's your numbers that are off because the lifeblood of the economy, cheap oil, is a thing of the past.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
12. Cheap oil may be a thing of the past, but projecting to 2033 doesn't mean cheap energy will be
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:34 AM
Apr 2012

a thing of the past as we convert to more efficient and sustainable alternatives.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
17. Lol. We will likely crash and burn before that transition seeing as how we are so attached to oil.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:46 AM
Apr 2012

Then the misery of transitioning will be so much more difficult. I predict it will take even more out of GDP than they are projecting.

Uncle Joe

(58,426 posts)
24. We will and already are evolving our culture whether it be the increasing trend toward
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:06 PM
Apr 2012

people, green friendly urbanization, or the growing role of the Internet in either curtailing the use of unnecessary fossil fuel burning, or simply mass brainstorming synergy toward more efficient use of systems, creations and developments.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. I saw a registered republican energy scientist (oxymoron, I know) on PBS last night
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:43 AM
Apr 2012

talking about alternative energy. Impression I got is that we have many alternatives that can do it if we have the political will.
Enough geothermal -- and the new technology to use it -- to last us a few hundred thousand years or so. I couldn't catch all of it -- the storm was fritzing it out...

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
19. "if we have the political will".
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:49 AM
Apr 2012

Every time I see Democrats insist oil is expensive because of speculation I cringe. That gives the populace the impression that it's all right except for the greedy SOBs which is no way to convince anyone of the need to move to alternatives.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
10. It's a serious problem...that's why all income should be subject to FICA...
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:27 AM
Apr 2012

Every single stock option and dividend included.

rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
6. According to Social Security Works....
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:20 AM
Apr 2012


100% funded till 2036

75% from 2036

not going broke...

................WE NEED TO SCRAP THE CAP............MAKE

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
38. and with people who are now cutting back on health care
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:08 PM
Apr 2012

because they cannot afford it anymore, many boomers will not live as long as perhaps their own parents did.''Our environment and our "gadgets" are more dangerous all the time, so cancers will continue to decimate people at earlier and earlier ages.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
8. So how else can we pay for optional wars, keeping Gitmo open, retirment benefits for war criminals?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
Apr 2012

The money has to come from somewhere.

Aren't the top politicians doing what Reagan did? That is borrow money from the Social Security trust fund with no intention of paying it back.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
15. Sigh. No.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:42 AM
Apr 2012

This myth that somehow money is being taken out of the Social Security Trust Fund is just that, a myth with no truth behind it.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
18. Reagan and all the politicians who supported borrowing from the trust fund didn't think so.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:49 AM
Apr 2012

Maybe you are better informed than them and Al Gore who opposed further borrowing from the SS trust fund.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
20. The Administration will resume the efforts to make us eat our peas after the election
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:50 AM
Apr 2012

And it will take damn near divine intervention to ever restore FICA taxes.

sad sally

(2,627 posts)
43. The continued "holiday" will become permanent, which will kill SS sooner rather than later
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:28 PM
Apr 2012

Imagine how happy this must make chimpy who really really wanted a totally privatized retirement system.

damn old people, why don't they (me and the love of my life) just die sooner? Maybe this will be the divine intervention?

marlakay

(11,498 posts)
21. This reminds me of when I was in 5th grade
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 11:51 AM
Apr 2012

they said oil would be gone by 2000 and they did this big scare thing…Johnson was pres…not sure why the big scare…maybe republicans during election year…after all Nixon was next!

Lawlbringer

(550 posts)
23. Wouldn't SS continue to grow as the population (and workforce)
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:03 PM
Apr 2012

continues to grow? Even if we were at 15% unemployment, the population growth factor would sort of level that out with prior years. So wouldn't everyone working keep paying into it?

The only problem I could see is if younger people start receiving benefits.

JHB

(37,162 posts)
29. So how have past projections held up?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 12:41 PM
Apr 2012

They've been doing SS projections for a while. How soundly have their projections held up once the reality becomes known?

For instance, from Doug Henwood in 1994:

Is Social Security really going under?
The eventual bankruptcy of the U.S. Social Security system is taken for granted by nearly everyone, virtually without challenge. In part, that's understandable; who really wants to delve into the annual reports of the system's trustees?

But the reports repay study. Of some interest is the news, for example, that the higher the rate of immigration, the sounder the system is, since immigrants (legal or not) tend to be young, and swell the ranks of those paying into the system rather than drawing it down.

Immigration, however, won't make or break the Social Security's finances. GDP growth will, since the size of the economy decades hence will determine how much money is available to pay retirees. The bankruptcy scenario is based on an assumption that GDP will grow at a rate seen only in depression decades.

As is common in the work of official seers, the trustees present three sets of forecasts, an official guess, an optimistic one, and a pessimistic one. The official scenario assumes the economy will grow an average of 1.5% a year over the next 75 years half the rate seen in the last 75 (2.9%), and a rate matched only in one decade of the last century, 1910-20's 1.4% rate. The economy grew more quickly even during the 1930s, 1.9% (1930-40). The growth rate for the trustees' optimistic vision, 2.2%, is only slightly bouncier than the 1930s rate. The pessimistic guess is 0.7%, slower than population growth, and a rate so torpid as to guarantee a war of each against all. As the graph shows, the system will go bust only if you assume decades of stagnation. If the economy grows in line with the 197394 average of 2.4%, still slower than the 75-year average of 2.9%, it will run a big surplus.

Either the trustees are deliberately projecting slow growth to feed the pension-cutting mania, or they're expressing a deep pessimism about the U.S. economy's future. Big news, whichever it is.


http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Pensions.html


Is there any place where past Trustee reports are fact-checked?

 

Ulcer

(5 posts)
33. Vote Buying?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:39 PM
Apr 2012

Does Obama think we aren't smart enough to see that his payroll tax cut at the expense of SS is just an attempt to buy our votes? If my vote were for sale, it would cost way more than $40/month. I can't believe a Democrat would raid SS for this purpose.

 

Ulcer

(5 posts)
36. Can we write-in someone?
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:57 PM
Apr 2012

I suppose the machines will decide for us anyway. But, it's still a thought. I guess Dennis is available now.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
37. "What is the political purpose of putting this out there now...?"
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:04 PM
Apr 2012

Geithner is a 1% Bankster.

What is constructive for the 99% is not his concern.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
39. The reason- To prepare us to accept a raise in the retirement age and reduced benefits
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 02:18 PM
Apr 2012

So that those funds can be redirected into war and ag/oil subsidies. Plus more tax cuts for the rich.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
45. These evil think tanks are putting out all the propaganda they can to scare people.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:41 PM
Apr 2012

And, they are making it look like it's also coming from the left from credible sources. Of course, we know left today was right yesterday, so I am inclined to believe it's all a scam that can be traced back to Wall Street's desire to co-opt the last part of the US Treasury they haven't been able to touch.

spanone

(135,886 posts)
47. it was the headline on our newspaper here in nashville this a.m.
Tue Apr 24, 2012, 06:56 PM
Apr 2012

unfuckingbelievable...they didn't credit geithner, the said 'the government claimed'

fear is more potent than facts



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