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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:28 PM Jan 2015

“a shot of red wine down the throat” - Delacroix’s “Women of Algiers”

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Women of Algiers. Eugene Delacroix, 1836.The Louvre. Paris.

“That bastard,” Picasso said upon seeing Delacroix’s painting. “He’s really good!”

Fascinated by its vivid color and opulent eroticism, Picasso began re-interpreting it cubistically, producing 15 variations started within a month of the Nationalist uprising in Algeria in 1954, which led to the eight-year long Algerian War of Independence.

Women of Algiers. Pablo Picasso, 1955.
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Cezanne’s admiring comment comparing the red of the painting to wine referred to the kicked off slipper, probably of the woman on the far left, on the floor beside her. And Renoir owed his highly esteemed “Odalisque” to the Delacroix work (although he only visited Algeria ten years after painting it and his model was French).

Odalisque, Auguste Renoir, 1870, National Gallery of Art, Washington
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As late as 1921 French artists’ obsession with harem women persisted, with Henri Matisse’s own version.

Odalisque in Red Culottes, Henri Matisse, 1921, Musee Nationale, Centre d’Art Georges Pompidou, Paris
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“Women of Algiers” is a hallmark of the Romantic art period (and, in particular, its Orientalist sub-genre). Today it is scrutinized in light of Western imperialism and colonialism in Africa and the Middle East in the 19th and early 20th centuries. With the collapse of France’s empire in the 1960s and 1970s, cultural theorists began to discuss Orientalism in this context. In 1978, Edward Said analyzed the representation of the Eastern Other as “a mode for defining the presumed cultural inferiority of the Islamic Orient...to justify and perpetuate European dominance..”

But, of course, the French of that era didn’t see it that way. To them, the practice of requiring women to wear veils and retreat into confinement as wives or in harems, was barbaric. Their “liberation” of women in the Middle East and North Africa was a plus in their minds as they tried to justify their clearly imperialistic designs on the resources of those countries. And it was a common practice for artists, not journalists, of the day to accompany the process. They would record it, adding local color for Parisians to see and enjoy the adventure of colonialism’s march.

Delacroix was fascinated by the north African women’s exotic dress and tried to sketch them on the streets. But they fled and fetched their husbands. So Delacroix persuaded a local Sultan to arrange a visit for him to his harem. Delacroix sketched there, and later painted this scene and others in his Paris studio.

The harem woman or odalisque was a popular Orientalist theme with the sophisticated Parisians who would flock to buy Delacroix’s and other Romantic artists’ work. In 1814, the Neoclassical artist, Ingres, had painted the famous “La Grande Odalisque,” setting in motion the harem woman in lush surroundings as widely enjoyed subject material. Note the elaborate pipe on the right of the woman in this painting and the woman’s strangely altered anatomy by the artist.

La Grande Odalisque, Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres. 1814. Musee de Louvre. Paris.
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Feminists today have fine-tuned Said’s conclusions, and art historian Joan DelPlato looks closely at Women of Algiers, writing about the way art history has treated “the cult of the artist-genius, a figure traditionally constructed as a daring risk-taker and transgressor of social convention...a presumptuous and masculine sexual prerogative...”

It is not difficult to see why DelPlato has seen “Women of Algiers” in this way. At the outset of looking at this painting we understand that we are in a harem where there is a silent clash between the women’s opulent room and the reality of their controlling world, a contrast of luxurious fabrics, gold and pearls, with a suffusing sense of imprisonment. The partial light seems to be an allotment, a portion of what you can see and feel under open sky. An older woman holds a narghile and we cannot know what it contains.

The artist has restated the color of pomegranate in cheeks, bodice and cushion. The kicked aside slipper implies that "barefoot, you will not flee.” You sense the burning of sandalwood. The women’s eyes, dark as figs, sense loss.

The departing woman has brown-black skin; her hair is hidden by a scarf and her skirt is knotted at her belly. The tassle of a gold sash at her waist swings as she walks. She creates tension in this painting, as if to say, despite the partially opened shutters behind them, “Do not try, he will be returning.”

The older woman, turning to the younger, pauses at her pipe. Her words are breath, desiring rest, sick of love.

The women languish, awaiting the ruin of time.




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“a shot of red wine down the throat” - Delacroix’s “Women of Algiers” (Original Post) CTyankee Jan 2015 OP
Hey, Friday night art folks! No thoughts on this? CTyankee Jan 2015 #1
I thought I posted something, but it didn't take... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #3
me, a nun? Uh, that'll give my husband a laugh... CTyankee Jan 2015 #7
I suspect Renoir's point was to repulse us... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #12
I think you are onto something. The painting is repulsive in several ways... CTyankee Jan 2015 #13
Of the five paintings here, I like the Matisse best. panader0 Jan 2015 #2
He's the only one who captured the weariness, hopelessness and utter boredom Warpy Jan 2015 #5
I am thinking that the smoking had something more than tobacco in the narghile... CTyankee Jan 2015 #9
I think you're overthinking that part Warpy Jan 2015 #14
My friend suggested tha she might have been smoking mint. She was a grad student CTyankee Jan 2015 #20
Her legs aren't the only weird things about her bidy. Her butt is way too tblue37 Jan 2015 #30
Hoping to decide on my trip to southern Spain soon...have been having some health CTyankee Jan 2015 #8
you could always come to chicago. mopinko Jan 2015 #15
and, oh god, come the the Chicago Institute of Art...OMG...so wonderful... CTyankee Jan 2015 #17
the mca, the galleries. mopinko Jan 2015 #19
hey, thanks for the tip... CTyankee Jan 2015 #21
Yours is a POV I hadn't considered before. Nevernose Jan 2015 #4
I think Ingres did want to focus on the fabrics . But he made that creamy body at a price: CTyankee Jan 2015 #10
The fabric is wonderful but the body is very odd. Kind of snaky. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2015 #26
Fascinating as usual malaise Jan 2015 #6
Hey, happy NY to you, too, malaise! How are you doing? CTyankee Jan 2015 #11
Yes and yes malaise Jan 2015 #18
good ole picasso mopinko Jan 2015 #16
Always happy to R&K your Friday art posts. longship Jan 2015 #22
Oh, you are sweet, longship! Thank you from my deepest heart... CTyankee Jan 2015 #23
Indeed. Art saves all. longship Jan 2015 #27
Oh, Puccini! I will tell you that I melt at "vissi d'arte." CTyankee Jan 2015 #28
Poetic blogslut Jan 2015 #24
that's so nice, blogslut! CTyankee Jan 2015 #25
interesting, the name Eugene Delacroix was familiar to me but not in terms of his art JI7 Jan 2015 #29
Oh, boy! Look up "The Death of Sardanapolis"! Helluva painting, really spectacular. CTyankee Jan 2015 #32
Fascinating essay and paintings. Have a wonderful New Year. KnR Hekate Jan 2015 #31
You too Hekate! I'm fighting off a couple of infections right now (long story but it's CTyankee Jan 2015 #33

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. I thought I posted something, but it didn't take...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:21 PM
Jan 2015

Anyway, great job here. Are you secretly that nun who was on PBS?

All of the artists seem to have understood the women and paint them with some air of resignation, but Renoir gives her an expression that haunts me. Ingres' misshapen model fascinates me-- why the odd body, and the pixeish expression?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. me, a nun? Uh, that'll give my husband a laugh...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:18 PM
Jan 2015

The Renoir kind of repulses me, where the Delacroix just suffocates me somewhat. Ingres is so unreal I can't get into it, except the fabric of that curtain on the right hand side is fabulous...

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. I suspect Renoir's point was to repulse us...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:42 PM
Jan 2015

She has nothing but contempt for her keepers. She is too intelligent to not know the situation she is in and her view of the world is as dismal as her view of her life.

His ballerinas didn't look too happy, either, but suspect he had a better time painting them. Not much better, though.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
13. I think you are onto something. The painting is repulsive in several ways...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

it's kind of a mess, actually. The whole odalisque idea gets lost in her repellent gaze...she is openly angry, IMO. She doesn't want it, she hates the men looking at her, she is unhappy.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
2. Of the five paintings here, I like the Matisse best.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:09 PM
Jan 2015

I love your art posts. I always learn something. Aren't you about to embark on a trip?

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
5. He's the only one who captured the weariness, hopelessness and utter boredom
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:39 PM
Jan 2015

of a woman sold into sexual slavery to a stranger she rarely sees.

The others are rather idealized and painted according to the convention of the time, which has at least one woman staring seductively out of the picture at her true owner, the man who bought the painting. They also miss the real seraglio in which women were expected to work to contribute their labor to the household as well as their bodies to its owner. Had Delacroix shown them spinning instead of smoking, he might have been onto something.


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. I am thinking that the smoking had something more than tobacco in the narghile...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:24 PM
Jan 2015

drugs could certainly kept them passive. There is such a strong statement here about the evils of colonialism and exploitation of the people of North Africa, it is really unavoidable...

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
14. I think you're overthinking that part
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:47 PM
Jan 2015

They would have eaten hashish, it works longer that way. While there might have been some opium use, it likely would have been as a tincture or tea and frowned upon lest it damage the lord and master's offspring and saved for health problems.

These paintings sentimentalized the sex slavery, showing indolent women whose only function was as sex toys, the European colonialist's favorite dream about the opulent court of the Eastern potentate and one he wished to duplicate, as the seductive stare out of the painting indicates.

That's what makes the Matisse so striking, it doesn't try to seduce the painting's owner into a fantasy world, no one would call his woman particularly seductive despite her pose and half nudity. She's been rode hard and put away wet and everybody knows it, especially her.

ETA: The Ingres, the cliché painting over the saloon bar, offends me slightly because I can't tell what the hell she's doing with her legs. Even the fan doesn't conceal his clumsiness with her thighs although the lower legs are nicely painted.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
20. My friend suggested tha she might have been smoking mint. She was a grad student
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:55 PM
Jan 2015

in northern Africa and had some information about the flavoring of these hash pipes...

tblue37

(65,408 posts)
30. Her legs aren't the only weird things about her bidy. Her butt is way too
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:33 AM
Jan 2015

Low on her body. Try to imagine where it would be uf she were standing. Bizarre.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. Hoping to decide on my trip to southern Spain soon...have been having some health
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:20 PM
Jan 2015

issues that have consumed me recently...nothing serious...just annoying. But I have to get down to whether I want to go to that part of Spain in April or not. I've been neglectful in my thinking lately...thank you for reminding me...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. and, oh god, come the the Chicago Institute of Art...OMG...so wonderful...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:51 PM
Jan 2015

I wanna pack my bags so bad...

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
19. the mca, the galleries.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:53 PM
Jan 2015

if i were you, i would come over mother's day to hit the big art expo.
classic and contemporary, all in one trip.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
4. Yours is a POV I hadn't considered before.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

Usually when one looks at these paintings, one focuses on the Orientalism: that's where the discussion always seems to be. I hadn't really considered these from a feminist perspective, although in retrospect that seems to be the natural approach.

And the Ingres? I've always viewed it as the woman being invisible. She's dulled and out of proportion; she's not the focus. I think the artist wanted us to look at his work on the details, like the cloths and fabrics.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. I think Ingres did want to focus on the fabrics . But he made that creamy body at a price:
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jan 2015

which was that critics would say exactly what I said (was quoting): it was unnatural and detracted from the painting.

Actually, Ingres fabrics are fabulous. That curtain is spectacular. But he effs it up when he does his trick anatomy with the woman. So much is great about that painting and he has to go and screw it up with her anatomy? Really? He never saw a full woman's body from the rear?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
26. The fabric is wonderful but the body is very odd. Kind of snaky.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:38 PM
Jan 2015

Her back is way too long. If she stood up she'd look really strange, and I bet she'd never be able to get pants that fit. There's also something really wrong with the way her right thigh is attached to her butt - it's like her femur is only half as long as it should be.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. Hey, happy NY to you, too, malaise! How are you doing?
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jan 2015

I hope you are good and all is going well for you this new year!

longship

(40,416 posts)
22. Always happy to R&K your Friday art posts.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:00 PM
Jan 2015

As an art idiot, I learn more from these than I've ever known. My favorite art forms are opera and physics, arguably a difficult mix.

Your Friday posts both challenge us all (the sadly retired Friday challenge) and raise our intelligence. What is amazing is that you do so as gently as you do while simultaneously relating your love for the topic.

Those things are what brings me back, over and over again.

Happy New Year, my good friend. The good deeds you do here have no measure.


And I would welcome back an occasional Friday challenge. As many here will also. Recognize that we all understand the effort that goes into such a thing.

You are a spark of light on DU. Never forget that.


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. Oh, you are sweet, longship! Thank you from my deepest heart...
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:08 PM
Jan 2015

but what I really want is for people here on DU to love the beauty of art. I'm not a snob because I think anyone can relate to beautiful art and connect to it. So I try to make that connection here on DU.

And you are NOT an art idiot! Nonsense. You are an art appreciator just like anybody else. Art always saves you. Always has and always will.

longship

(40,416 posts)
27. Indeed. Art saves all.
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:03 PM
Jan 2015

My fave is music, but I love visual arts as well, although I am much less educated about them.

Bach rules! As does Mozart (Sigh! Le Nozze di Figaro!). As does Wagner. And do not criticize Rach music (Rachmaninoff) in front of me. Then, there's opera. Ho boy! Where to start, or to end.

My usual introduction to opera is Tosca which has the economy of, when all the main characters are dead, the opera ends, the last, Floria Tosca jumping off the parapet of Castle St. Angeles into the Tiber. Only a few chords remain to finish it. Her last words, "O Scarpia! Avanti a dio". (Scarpia, who Tosca murders in the second act, "I will see you before God." As she plunges to her death.) It is a stunning drama.

For lighter fare, I recommend Mozart's always great sense of humor. However, undoubtedly as in the visual arts, there is both light and heavy. I also love Alban Berg.

As always, my fondest regards to you, a DU gem. Amongst the sturm und drang here I consider you to be one of the shining lights.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
28. Oh, Puccini! I will tell you that I melt at "vissi d'arte."
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 01:56 AM
Jan 2015

"I lived for life. I lived for love."

Nobody, NOBODY wrote opera like Puccini! Hey, I was at his house in Lucca in 2006 but I couldn't go in because it was under repair. Ah, the heart breaks...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. that's so nice, blogslut!
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jan 2015

I have another and a few ideas for future essays here. Thanks for dropping by and being so nice...

JI7

(89,252 posts)
29. interesting, the name Eugene Delacroix was familiar to me but not in terms of his art
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 02:10 AM
Jan 2015

i just looked it up and it's because of his family and other connections to the politics in france which i do read about. and how tallyrand has been thought to have been his bio father .

but i did enjoy the pic you posted of one of his works and will look up more of his work.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. Oh, boy! Look up "The Death of Sardanapolis"! Helluva painting, really spectacular.
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jan 2015

Saw it in the Louvre in 2011. Now THAT's Orientalism

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. You too Hekate! I'm fighting off a couple of infections right now (long story but it's
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jan 2015

related to a bad reaction to a new med I took). But I hope to take a now-delayed trip up to MFA to see the Goya exhibit before the exhibit closes. I'll do a review here in a few weeks. I can't wait. And I know some art lovers here at DU really love Goya, too. But til then I do have another great story in art history to relate (and I return to the 15th century with it). Hope you are around on the Fridays I do them...would love to see your comments...

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