Neighbors in Newton County, Ga. case are now in jail

[Kaleva]

"On Monday, Canoles and his son were summoned for another interview with Newton County officials, who told them to bring in their guns.

They turned themselves in about 10 p.m. Monday and were booked into the Newton County Jail just before midnight, according to sheriff's spokesman Mark Mitchell. They were being held without bond Tuesday, online jail records show.

"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own.""

http://www.ajc.com/news/newton-county-neighbors-charged-1424231.html

[marmar]

1. And here are the Good 'Ole Boys....protecting 'the country' from peaceful black families.

[lpbk2713]

5. Uncle Bubba will be questioned as a material witness.

[HillWilliam]

74. Summer Teeth!

Some'r in and some'r out.

[hobbit709]

2. I can think of several things they could be charged with.

Maybe next time time they'll ask questions first before holding someone at gunpoint.

[Iggo]

3. "...we protect our own."

Um, those people ARE your own, you fucking nimrod! Jeez!

[obamanut2012]

12. I thought that, too

They are their neighbors.

[marmar]

13. When he says "our own", I suspect he's not including anyone who's not white.

nt

[bonniebgood]

50. BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[freshwest]

109. Rather telling, that there. Sentience FAIL.

[joshcryer]

131. Stood out to me like a sore thumb.

Fucking racists.

[Laurian]

4. Ignorance abounds.

I am so sick of vigilantes and their "second amendment" rights. I hope these people face some real justice, but I doubt they will.

[TheCowsCameHome]

6. Too bad

being an asshole isn't a felony.

[asjr]

7. ...and they have cousins and cousins and more

cousins.

[tanyev]

8. Oh noes! It's true! Obama took their guns away and threw them in jail!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

22. Obama did this? When the DOJ goes after the police who arrested the Kalonjis, then

we can be impressed.

What are the odds that this will happen?

[tanyev]

28. I'm just speculating on what the right wing spin will be.

[freshwest]

111. The Teabaggers were right all along! Run for the hills! It's the Apocalyse!

[99Forever]

9. Vigilante stupidity all wrapped up in a single quote:

"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own.""

Screw everyone else's rights, you redneck twerps, you got'sa have your surrogate penis.

When are we going put a minimum IQ requirement on owning deadly weapons?

[Blue_Tires]

15. +1000

[TheCowsCameHome]

24. +1,000

[MattBaggins]

71. They can't think

Where does the constitution say you can draw that gun and point it at people legally moving into their own houses.

[Gold Metal Flake]

88. What, a Well Regulated millitia?

Fat chance of that.

[_ed_]

106. The statement also encapsulates the arrogance and selfishness

of the average NRA-type: The second amendment supposedly trumps all other laws, standards, and codes of human decency.

Translation: "It's my right to do whatever I fucking want with my killing machine."

[obamanut2012]

10. GOOD

How can those people stay there now? They can't. But they spent their money on this house.

And, your 2nd Amendment rights doesn't mean you can break gun laws.

[ck4829]

11. "I don't know what they can charge me with" Assault for one

[obamanut2012]

14. And branishing and trespassing

And maybe kidnapping, and maybe menacing, which is worse than assault.

[Ian David]

17. I wonder what their attitude was like during this whole ordeal.

Were they screaming and yelling at their victims, or did they calmly tell them, "Let's just wait until the sheriff gets here, and we'll let him sort it out?"

Somehow, I don't imagine these guys were very calm or respectful.

[obamanut2012]

30. I've wondered that, too

I bet either the former, or a mixture of the two.

And, the Sheriff's Deputies are just as at fault. They could have called the Realtor or bank. or allowed the owners the chance to produce the closing papers.

[ronnie624]

93. "Shut up or I'll shoot,"

Canoles allegedly told the couple after they tried to explain that their son now owned the modest home sitting on 11 acres.

[Ian David]

94. Yeah, it sounds like the Canoles are in a world of shit. n/t

[Hassin Bin Sober]

72. Yep. See OJ. If they held them at gunpoint (or threats of gunpoint) it's VERY serious.

[obamanut2012]

77. They did -- for about ten minutes

Hands above head, standing facing away from the gun men.

[maxrandb]

85. Orr false imprisonment, illegal detainment, harrassment

trespassing, etc.

Like they always say; "ignorance of the law is no excuse". Hopefully, this state has rules against felons possessing firearms, and when they are convicted of a felony, they will see the "limits" of the 2ND Amendment.

[jwirr]

105. Kidnapping is what I was thinking. They held them prisoner.

[freshwest]

112. Trespassing, too, don't you think? They crossed the land onto their new neighbor's place.

These guys still have some whine left in them:

'But, yer honer, we wuz jes..'.

We should mail some cheese to them.

[Posteritatis]

127. The trespassing charge is especially delicious, given the whole situation. (nt)

[freshwest]

134. Yes, although I found all the charges satisfying, LOL.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. I suppose we should be thankful

they didn't shoot the new property owners.

Canoles sounds like a real loser.

[arthritisR_US]

18. I can't get that tune from Deliverace out of

my head

[Art_from_Ark]

70. What tune is that?

Dueling Banjos?

[arthritisR_US]

100. That's the one! nt

[upaloopa]

19. This is the problem with having no regulations on gun ownership and carrying around loaded weapons.

It gives the gun nuts a feeling that they can do what ever they feel like with their guns. It lets them act out the fantasies which are the reason they want guns in the first place. I don't buy this self protection meme. What is really happening is acting out of a paranoid delusion that probably effects all the cop wannabe gun totters.

[KG]

20. last time i checked, the 2A says nothing about threatening people you don't like the looks of.

[freshwest]

114. Or leaving *your* yard to confront them in front of *their* front door.

Learn some boundaries, folks!

A little personal space, please!

[AlbertCat]

21. "We're waiting to move," Bruno Kalonji said. "We're still afraid of what the guy next door might do.

Mission accomplished, I guess.

[MineralMan]

27. In a just world, the entire staff of the Sheriff's department

should be turned out to help that family move into their home. Combine that with each one of the Sheriff's deputies explaining to those neighbors that anything those neighbors do to harass that family will be treated very, very seriously.

[obamanut2012]

33. They need to sue those idiots and the Sheriff

To pay for their home and all their moving expenses. I don't blame them -- they'll be burned out, have their pets killed, etc.

[freshwest]

118. +1,000

[sabrina 1]

122. They should include the cost of security guards. Seems like a pretty dangerous neighborhood

to me.

[obamanut2012]

126. For real!

[freshwest]

115. Welcome Wagon FAIL. I wouldn't want to live next to gun toting hot heads, either.

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Bet he and his wife didn't sleep for a while after that. Imagine the memories they had in Zaire...

[Javaman]

23. now just imagine, after all this, having to live next to these morons. nt

[DeschutesRiver]

25. Reminds me of Palin not understanding that other amendment, the 1st.

The 2nd amendment hasn't a thing to do with why they were arrested. Sounds like they are Palin-dumb with regards to their understanding of the constitution. It is almost always the constitution-wavers that understand the least about such things.

That bit about protecting their own - well, yeah, the criminal way they went about doing that is the reason why. Of course there are things they can be charged with - I am wondering if it will happen.

[marshall gaines]

26. huh

well, in this day and age, it's good to see some fairness at work. I wonder what pressure was brought to bear for this to happen. Oh no, did the authorities follow the law?

[Kaleva]

31. I think the sheriff was well aware that this could easily become a media circus

[Gold Metal Flake]

89. Damn liberal media.

[freshwest]

117. No, no, liberal media good! LOL.

[Gold Metal Flake]

132. When you can get it.

[freshwest]

133. +1

[AnotherMcIntosh]

29. I'm not Black, but I'm still going to stay out of Georgia.

[hack89]

34. Considering that the Newton County sheriff is black

I suspect that African Americans are perfectly safe in Newton County.

[marmar]

38. And the fact that the sheriff is black will cease all racist activity in the department.....

...... and the county?

[hack89]

43. No - but it is less likely to be ignored or condoned.

these numnuts are in jail after all - that should tell you something.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

39. Maybe. But what about Yankees?

[hack89]

45. Yankee fans deserve all they get ... oh wait, wrong subject. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

44. That's a joke, right?

[hack89]

46. No. nt

[slackmaster]

54. Insert appropriate Blazing Saddles quote here

[hootinholler]

63. WHy that's the finest example of frontier jibberish I've heard in a long time.

[bluesbassman]

116. I'm just glad all these young people were here today to hear that.

[freshwest]

120. More palatable than Glenn Beck...

[bluesbassman]

123. Listening to rats gnawing on baseboards would be more palatable than listening to Beck.

I can't even stand to see images of that guy.

[freshwest]

124. Him and Rush... Jabba the Hut and Clone drooling all over Planet Earth.

[obamanut2012]

42. That is ridiculous -- much of Georgia ia quite diverse

And, Atlanta is very, very diverse. These yahoos are a disgrace.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

52. Diverse? Diverse doesn't mean safe for anyone not from the area.

[obamanut2012]

57. Yes, it does

Every single state and region has its share of bigots and criminals, but in areas with a diverse population, those who "different" are not targeted for that difference. It is truly barely registers.

I also bet that if you look at the rest of the neighbors out there, lots of them cannot stand this jerk and his family.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

59. Yea, well, if you look at the rest of the neighbors, I would bet that they are all cousins.

Was the couple targeted because one of them was Black? Or because they were not from the area?

[RebelOne]

87. I am nor black, but I live in Georgia and am not leaving. n/t

[AnotherMcIntosh]

95. Thank you.

[FailureToCommunicate]

32. Racist, gun toting neighbors might be expected, but racist cops?

"The deputies, demanding proof the home was theirs, handcuffed the Kalonjis" (instead)

"For roughly 10 minutes, the Kalonjis -- who moved to the U.S. from Zaire in the late 1990s to escape persecution from the brutal Mobutu regime -- stood nervously, arms lifted over their heads, backs turned to the gunmen."

And then the deputies arrested the couple.

Welcome to America.

[obamanut2012]

36. I haven't read this before -- they better have kidnapping charges slapped on them

You are not allowed to hold people at gunpoint, except someone who just broke into your home or something like that. WTF.

This needs to be prosecuted as a hate crime.

[Meiko]

69. No it doesn't

Let's not get carried away here.Besides the mans wife is white.

[DiverDave]

99. Yeah, nothing to see here, right?

I'll bet you 500 bucks, meiko, that if the man was WHITE, they would have busted out the
jug of shine and welcomed him home.

This IS a HATE CRIME, and you telling people it isn't is just wrong.

Put yourself in the guys shoes for a minute, guns at your back, hands up.
And them telling you to shut up or I'll shoot.
When you are just trying to explain.


Then tell me it isnt a hate crime

[obamanut2012]

102. Thank you

[Meiko]

135. I am not a gambler

but thanks for the offer. The reports I have read offered no evidence that any racial slurs were uttered.If there would have been I would have to agree you have a point. From what I have seen from the photos posted is that the mans wife is white, do we have white on white hate crimes now? We need to get over the assumption that just because more than one race is involved in an incident that it is automatically a hate crime.

We have no idea what is in a mans heart. It could very well be that the two AR15 toting men do hate blacks and that race was their primary motivator for accosting the man and his wife but the evidence at hand doesn't prove that. It is reported also that one of the men said this:

[quote]"I don't know what they can charge me with," Canoles said late Monday afternoon, before the interview with authorities. "This is my Second Amendment right. Look, this is the country out here, and we protect our own."[/quote]

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, is he referring to blacks? or is he referring to locals in general. As far as your last statement, I have had guns pointed at me, I have been shot at and on one occasion even shot. It never crossed my mind during any of these incidents that the man on the other side of the gun loved me, so in that sense I was the victim of a hate crime I guess, even though all party's involved were white. I tend to believe that all crimes of violence are hate crimes regardless of the victims skin color, so that being said I guess this was a hate crime based solely on the fact that the man and his wife were outsiders, not because one was black.

[obamanut2012]

101. Yes, it does

Interracial couple, and they are also foreign.

I am not getting "carried away."

I live in the South. These yahoos wouldn't have done this to a good ole boy and gal driving a pickup with a rack in the back. They wouldn't. Hell, they wouldn't even do it to someone driving a Prius. Unless they were Black.

[hack89]

37. The Newton County sheriff is African American

for all we know, so were the deputies.

http://www.newtonsheriffga.org/

[FailureToCommunicate]

49. Okay...maybe that's why things changed a few day later. But it was

more likely pressure from the couple's lawyer (and recent headlines about Zimmerman)

If the deputies didn't react with racial profiling, than what would it be called? Stupidity?
Remember the cops "lauded" the gun wielding father and son at the time.

[hack89]

51. Sometimes it is nothing more than lack of imagination and rigid adherence to rules

that make people in authority take leave of their common sense.

It may have been racism but I suspect the Sheriff will deal with it appropriately - I am sure he does not appreciate the national attention.

[FailureToCommunicate]

56. Rigid rules? Let us image if the police arrive and it is two black men with rifles trained

on a white couple...

[hack89]

60. Lets imagine the police were black while we are at it

that doesn't automatically mean their decision would be the right one.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

58. Lacking common sense seems to be a job requirement, whether in Georgia or elsewhere.

[NickB79]

149. Difference: the sheriff is African-American; the husband was African

There is prejudice even within the black community; I've known several African-Americans that were not too fond of African immigrants.

[JHB]

35. When you hold someone at gunpoint, you should probably go to the trouble...

...of being right.

Your 2nd Amendment right is to own the gun, not to point it at people.

[slackmaster]

55. There are on occasion situations in which holding someone at gunpoint is justified

This wasn't one of them.

[malaise]

40. Did 'we protect our own' ever mean all Americans

or just white men?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

53. Or just those from the area?

[obamanut2012]

41. Keep us updated on this case if you can

Thanks for posting the OP!

[Kaleva]

47. I've been following this since the story first broke

Also been trying to look for updated info on the case of the woman in Texas who drove her SUV into the kid's go-cart.

[obamanut2012]

48. OMG I missed that one!

I've also missed the update on the GA case, so I appreciate your postings on it.

[A Simple Game]

62. They took their AR-15s, how will they be able to feed their family?

I mean that's the only thing an AR-15 is good for, shooting food, right?

Did the new owners have the keys to the house? Seems as if they must have to change the locks. Nobody wondered how they had the keys?

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. It is not your "Second Amendment right" to terrorize your neighbors.

[obamanut2012]

65. Charged with three felonies

Criminal trespass, aggravated assault with a weapon, and false imprisonment.

[Meiko]

75. Ouch!

Kiss that gun ownership thing goodbye if convicted.

[obamanut2012]

76. Yup

[drm604]

66. "we protect our own"

We all know what they mean by "their own".

They might as well just come out and say it. "We don't want no *** in our neighborhood."

Assholes.

[kentauros]

67. I hope the Kalonjis decide to stay.

Because if these two knuckle-draggers go to prison, they won't be neighbors any longer. And he'll get to build that soccer field

For those of you that know law, would getting charged (and held in jail without bond) like that jeopardize their (the Canoles') mortgage? Seems like it would do a real number on their credit rating at the very least. As I understand such things, a bad credit rating causes banks to have second thoughts about those with mortgages...

[obamanut2012]

78. They weren'y held without bond -- they bailed out

They gunmen are being held without bond right now.

They bought a foreclosed house, so no, but being arrested wouldn't make a difference anyway.

[kentauros]

79. Yes, I meant the gunmen.

I thought I was clear about that, by using everyone's names

[obamanut2012]

81. Sorry, I was confused

I didn't get what that had to do with a mortgage. I need to reread it.

[kentauros]

82. Okay

no problem

[MintyFresh]

68. This story makes me sad

All over America a certain group of people are being accosted by people with guns or in some cases in public places verbally assaulted to provoke to anger so an argument or fight will ensue so the police can be called & the innocent person put in jail.
It's happened to me at least 4 times already & now I'm getting nervous just going to a grocery store.
They can be charged with false imprisonment. Living in this country is getting more & more dangerous each day as people are being judged by superficial things like what they look like on the outside.
I have a few horror stories myself & being verbally assaulted in public places is just the tip of the iceberg.
Can we do anything to keep ourselves from being killed for no reason in this country ? We can't call the police because in many cases the police have the same mindset as the accosters. As seen here by the actions the deputies took when these gun toting neighbors called them and how the deputies praised the gun toters.

[Ikonoklast]

73. Another couple of 'law-abiding gun owners'...right up to the moment they weren't.

Every day, more and more.

[Meiko]

92. Not anymore

they aren't.

[TeeYiYi]

80. AR-15s...wtf...

Mugshots at this link:

http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2012/04/vigilante-justice-police-arrest-men-who.html

TYY

[kentauros]

83. What's even more perplexing

is that the deputies thought they did a good job!

You know, I can't be absolutely certain (as I'm not a law-enforcement officer), but if I came upon two men holding AR-15s against the necks of an older couple, I probably would not have reacted by patting the two guys on the back for a job well done.

I'm glad the deputies are also under investigation.

[TeeYiYi]

84. Not just one, but TWO AR-15s...

...used to terrorize a defenseless older couple. I hope the sheriffs lose their jobs.



TTY

[Meiko]

90. That's a lot

of firepower just to keep a couple from changing their locks. They won't have to worry about owning any more AR15's if they are convicted. Dumbasses.

[obamanut2012]

86. Me either -- that was a real wtf moment

Along with the deputies just arresting the couple for absolutely NO reason.

As WTF Moment as cops can be, deputies can be so much worse. A Police Chief is a professional who oversees officers who at least have had real training and some employment standards. Sheriffs are elected, and can hire any good ole boy or girl they want, as long as certain legal standards are adhered to (US citizen, 21 years old, whatever).

Trust me, even people who live in the country and like their guns don't like neighbors like these yahoos. They're the kind who would shoot your dog if it wandered an inch onto their property.

I was surprised to see them held without bond (for now). Good.

[Meiko]

91. Who knows

what really goes on in certain parts of the country. There is all kinds of nonsense going on we never hear about. When I was a young man in the military a friend and I found ourselves on a road trip to Lubbock Texas. We got stopped for speeding and jailed in Muleshoe Texas, no shit Muleshoe. We were scared shitless. We had no idea what was going to happen to us. The local cops were not nice guys at all. No lawyer, no food, no water, handcuffed in a cell. My story certainly isn't as bad as what happened in Georgia but I'm just saying this kind of shit goes on all the time. We just happened to hear about this one.

[obamanut2012]

96. Did they say anything after they found out you were in the service?

[Meiko]

136. Yea they did

I thought soldiers boys were tough, shut up. I had asked for some water is was very hot that day.

[kentauros]

98. As an observation only,

this seems to be endemic of small towns, be they in Texas, or Georgia, or Pennsylvania, or Washington. It happens everywhere, and mostly outside of the larger cities. I don't know why the residents of small towns end up with the worst in the way of a police force, but it sure seems to happen more often there, and thus my observation.

[obamanut2012]

103. Because they don't pay as much, and often have Sheriffs, not PDs

Education standards are also generally lower, and they don't look for diversity. I also think there's more of, "This is my buddy," or "My uncle's cousin's friend who lets me hunt on his property. He's a good guy." Or even,"I'm not giving my wife's boss a DUI. No way!"

Like you said, it happens all over in small towns. I wonder, are Sheriffs more "popular" in the South? What do small towns in the NE have? Constables? Use State Troopers? Or Sheriff Deputies?

[drm604]

97. Even more than those mugshots, what really strikes me is that picture of the Kalonjis at the top.

Who would feel threatened by that harmless looking older couple? If I was concerned about who my new neighbors were going to be and saw them, I'd be relieved.

Those two young men felt it necessary to hold this couple at gunpoint?

What did they think was going on anyway? Burglars were changing the locks?

[obamanut2012]

104. I know, they do NOT look like meth heads or scuzzy people

[hifiguy]

119. Well, these two goobers clearly ain't the sharpest

knives in the drawer. And those respectable-looking people just happened to be black, so better safe than sorry, Gomer.

[karnac]

107. what idiots

Not even threatened or punched before pointing guns at others.

They deserve what they get in court.

[Speck Tater]

108. Ideally, the old couple should have been armed too, so they could have "stood their ground"

and gunned down the obnoxious neighbors.

(Sarcasm tag added just in case somebody thinks I'm actually from the NRA and takes me seriously)

[freshwest]

121. Well, it could happen. But these old folks had been traumatized before, so not likely. Hope their

Health didn't suffer from this. They could have had a heart attack or stroke or something.

They indicated that they were terrified, it gave them a flashback of what happened to them in Zaire.

[4th law of robotics]

110. If you think someone is robbing your house by all means go grab a gun

but not for the neighbors house.

Call the cops if you're that worried.

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Brandishing a weapon

entering

False detainment,

Kidnapping.

Help me out DU'ers, since he really has no clue what he can be charged with, and if convicted he can kiss them guns good bye

[Kaleva]

125. Yes, those expensive AR-15's are probably history

[Meiko]

137. Yep

The local sheriffs office will be using them now.

[obamanut2012]

128. aggravated assault with a weapon, menacing

[nadinbrzezinski]

129. Both are in for a heck of a wake up call

[obamanut2012]

140. You bet -- and good!

[Poll_Blind]

130. Oh effing snappity-SNAP!

GOOD!

PB

[DiverDave]

138. The ar-15 is simple to convert to full automatic

I would be curious to see if these have been tampered with.

If so, I think it's a federal crime to own a machine gun w/o a permit

[Kaleva]

139. No, it is not.

The AR-15 is specially made to not be easily converted to full auto. While it looks like an M-16, there are important differences on the inside.

A well equipped, skilled gunsmith could do it but then he'd be looking at serious time in Federal prison if he were to be caught just having it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

143. Why AKs are easier to convert

But it is done...regularly.

[Kaleva]

144. Same applys to the AK

For a semi-auto AK to be legal in the US, it has to be very difficult to convert to full auto. It's been illegal for many years now to import or manufacture in this country a semi-auto AK-47 that can be easily converted to full auto.

[nadinbrzezinski]

146. Yup, why the Carels have these converted

Regularly in under two hours. Most of those weapons did not come from other places. They were bought in the US and brought down in the Camino de Hormigas.

I know this is not popular, but they are fairly easy, both of them, to convert if you know what you are doing. There is a difference in ease in pre-1994 and post-1994 weapons. But it was mostly the, see Feds...we are trying. Now buzz off.

Also the reality is...fire discipline says you do not mostly fire in auto...or you will run out of ammo much, much faster. Why the semi selector went into the M 16-A1 to begin with.

Of course another minor difference is how fast barrels heat up.

But for god sakes kits to convert both were for sale online for years. I have not checked if they still are, i suspect they no longer are...that open about it though. Which reminds me, why does anybody need a three round burst to bring down large game? I never really got that one. Stands to reason a well placed shot should do it...why they make zero sense unless your game has two feet.

Yup, the underbelly of this ain't nice and them kits were very popular with them militia boys.

Some of us ain't ignorant of this.

[Kaleva]

148. Can't buy a gun for hunting that's capable of firing a three round burts

Well, I guess one could if they are willing on taking the chance of going to prison for a very long time.

Your comments:

"Also the reality is...fire discipline says you do not mostly fire in auto...or you will run out of ammo much, much faster. Why the semi selector went into the M 16-A1 to begin with.

Of course another minor difference is how fast barrels heat up. "

You've given a couple of very good reasons why criminals don't use automatics in this country that much. Add to that the risk of serving a long prison sentence just for having an unregistered auto in your possession.

On the other hand, it's fairly easy to legally purchase a semi-auto WASR-10 and 30 round magazines and you don't have to worry (in most states) about being arrested for having it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

150. Yup, the AR 15 has a funny selector

The M-16 has three steps, the AR two.

But whatever...

As to criminals no using them...yup, we all margined the la shoot out...

For the record, not a regular event yet.

[Kaleva]

151. The ATF treats the burst fire kit the same as a fully functional machine gun.

You seem to be arguing that weapons that are full auto or capable of burst fire are easy to obtain or that's it's simple to convert a semi-auto to such a weapon. I challenge you to try it. Most prisons have internet access and you'll be able to tell us just how easy it was.

[nadinbrzezinski]

152. Yup, why the cartels convert them regularly

Mexican prisons don't have Internet access either.

You are arguing it's not done, because of penalties. It is done in spite of penalties.

And not just in Mexico where it also adds years to a sentence.

Yup, if you are caught you are going to so some hard time...in that we agree.

[Kaleva]

153. Well, let us know when you do convert one. It's easy, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. Why would I do that?

I have no interest, motivation or drive to do that. But you are saying it's not done. Well the ATF and the Policia Federal disagree.

Have a good day.

[DiverDave]

156. Well, when I was in the Army

we were issued the m-16 and we were told to NOT do something ( I wont tell you what).
And,of course, we did.

It was VERY easy to convert the weapon we were given.
Unless they have changed them since.

If it is the same as in the mid '70's anyway.

[Kaleva]

157. You may be right about that being the case in the 70's.

[Meiko]

141. I was told by an ATF agent

That if you have an AR15 and all the parts to covert it to full auto you are in possession of a machine gun, regardless if it has been modified or not. They take this shit pretty seriously.

[Kaleva]

145. You can go to prison for a long time just for having certain parts of an M-16

[nadinbrzezinski]

142. Yes it is, though the AK is easier

They used to sell the kits online even if gunnies will tell you otherwise.

It is a crime, federal, but not for converting to a machine gun, it is tampering with the weapon. An M-16 is a battle riffle not a machine gun.

By the way the cartels convert them both regularly.

[Meiko]

158. I haven't seen any kits lately

but the drawings are available. It will take some gun smithing to get the job done. Don't try this at home.

[link:http://www.angelfire.com/anime5/unclero/books/AK47_Full_Auto_Conversion_for_Dummies.pdf|

[nadinbrzezinski]

159. I won't

[Odin2005]

147. The saddest thing of all is that Mr. Kalonji suffered through Mobutu's regime...

...in Congo, and then has those horrible memories come back to him because of these racist assholes.

[Canuckistanian]

155. The 2nd Amendment is about gun OWNERSHIP

NOT about the right to threaten people with guns.

Gawd almighty, these people are idiots.