Woman can wear whatever they want.....

[Playinghardball]

[chervilant]

1. Not that I advocate for violence of any kind,

but the irony is rich.

[niyad]

2. the difference is, this woman would get arrested, and the guy won't.

[QuestionableC]

4. Lots of people get arrested for rape.

Not enough by any means, but our prisons are loaded with rapists. Anyone using the "her clothes provoked me into raping her" defense is likely to quickly find himself incarcerated. A much sturdier defense is to claim that the sex was consensual. I think most rapists who are prosecuted confess to the rape or deny that sex occurred, only to be proven liars by DNA evidence.

Our legal system is a smart rapist's wet dream. The system has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the victim didn't consent. That is a nearly impossible burden if the rapist is intelligent.

[niyad]

5. do me a favour, and provide links for your assertion. we know that few rapists actually

end up in prison.



https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates





http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2013/01/infographic-rape-statistics.html

[QuestionableC]

8. Sure

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Reports_Research/Offender_Information_Services_Branch/Annual/CalPris/CALPRISd2010.pdf

Those are 2010 stats for California prison population showing that 10% of the prison population (16,134 of 162,006 inmates) are in prison for sex offenses. 2,492 for rape, 9,015 for lewd acts with a child, 775 for oral copulation, 231 for sodomy, 599 for penetration with an object, 3,023 for other sex offenses.

While 10% of the prison population may seem low, it should be noted that only 15% (24,546) of the prison population is incarcerated for drug crimes, and we are frequently told that our prisons are full of drug offenders.

Obviously these numbers are only from California, but I think it would be a safe bet that the percentages will be fairly consistent nationally.

[niyad]

9. still quite low, sorry.

since, according to the charts, only about 7 out of every one hundred rapists are arrested, it isn't that "a lot of rapists" are being arrested. not even close.

[QuestionableC]

11. I guess it all depends on your perspective.

If your numbers are accurate and only 2 out of 100 rapists end up in jail, and somehow we were able to arrest and convict every rapist, the california prison population would go from 160,000 to almost a million people.

That isn't to say rapists shouldn't be imprisoned -- they should -- just pointing out that we already have extensive prison overcrowding. It also makes me question those statistics.

[niyad]

13. the perspective is that rape is not treated seriously in this country, and the low rate of arrests

let alone convictions, proves it.

so prison overcrowding makes you question those statistics? really? want to explain to me how that works? I cannot wait to hear this.

perhaps you could so some research into rape statistics and listen to rape victims.

[Plucketeer]

18. Rapists should be neutered

Then we wouldn't have to pay to support them for however long a sentence they might have gotten. They'd be free to be model citizens and pursue their dreams. Just not any wet ones.

[Orrex]

20. We should cut off shoplifters' hands and pluck out peeping toms' eyes, too.

Civilization!

[Plucketeer]

21. I'd be without hands

When you VIOLATE someone's person - violate a most intimate area that offers horrific, lingering (maybe LIFE-long) consequences, the punishment should be swift and decisive. And shoplifting hardly violates personal spaces! And peeping toms don't result in pregnancy or STDs.
No, a simple surgical modification and the perps could be contributing members of society and not be locked away from the adoration of their friends and families. They'd be free to pursue anything but a forced sexual engagement.

If they can take away someone's driving privileges when they drink and drive, we should be able to prevent someone from forcing their sex organs on someone who wants nothing to do with them.

[Orrex]

27. That's a remarkably regressive system you've proposed there

I imagine that you're being facetious. Otherwise such Deuteronomy-esque thinking is out of place in a progressive forum.

[Plucketeer]

28. I spanked my kids too

Oh the horrors! All three of them lead productive, respectful, law-abiding lives. Surely they'd turn around and pass on my "brutality", right?
Whether or not I "fit in here" is not a call for you to make. What you can feel free to pin on me is just how I'd treat someone who literally "fucked" someone without their consent. If you think a "Naughty, naughty!" admonishment is gonna make it all good - or even a prison sentence, it's not. And I don't feel like I should have to fork over cash to support them comfortably while they consider their dastardly deeds.

[Orrex]

33. If you wish to eliminate the difference between criminal and jailer...

Then by all means advocate for punitive mutilation. That way we can be sure to forfeit any moral authority to punish anybody. Well done!

[Plucketeer]

37. Would murder

be equal to shoplifting too - shoplifting or voyeurism or loitering? I'm against a death penalty for any offense. But a life sentence protects society from a murderer's tendency to take other's lives. I'm willing to pay to keep them isolated. When you think about it, a murder only subjects the victim to temporary suffering at it's worst. It's the significant survivors who suffer the most.
With a rape, the victim suffers for the rest of their living years - possibly physically, certainly mentally. But the perp gets a slap and some counseling and they're turned back out to a sea of temptation with no guarantee they're reformed. Nah - lets get verifiable certainty that they're no longer a danger to anyone (sexually). Maybe the threat of neutering would work no better as a deterrent than the death penalty does. But the fact that we wouldn't have to pay for these misfits to spend years in humane incarceration would be a plus to anyone that pays taxes.

[Orrex]

38. The commission of a crime doesn't give us the right to mutiliate the criminal

Will the victim of the rape be healed by the mutilation? Of course not.

Would you prescribe this enlightened punishment for all rape? Is all rape equal? I urge you to think very carefully before you respond, because I simply don't accept that consensual sex between a 15 year old and an 20 year old is the same as raping an unwilling victim after beating them into unconsciousness. How and where, exactly, do you draw the lines? How do you determine which rapists are worthy of castration? What you propose is simply monstrous and insupportable, all the more so because you think that it's morally justified.

What would your proposed punitive system accomplish, other than slaking a bronze age bloodthirst for vengeance?

As has been demonstrated elsewhere in the thread, it's not even particularly likely to prevent future violence, so what's the point?

Further, we've seen a number of recent cases of people exonerated after serving years for a rape conviction. Would you return their testicles to them with a hastily-scrawled note of apology?

You advocate torture as punishment for a crime. That's barbaric and inexcusable.

[Plucketeer]

45. And so

the death penalty is humane? Of course, we put them to sleep real nicey-nice first.

"What would your proposed punitive system accomplish, other than slaking a bronze age bloodthirst for vengeance?" Hows about being certain they can NEVER do that sorta thing again? What's that worth???

Torture? Maybe with a meat cleaver on an oak stump. But surgically, with anesthetics and post-castration care? Only a little inconvenience - nothing like the NIGHTMARES the victim will endure for the rest of their lives. Maybe even to the point where they'll NEVER have sex or offspring again! But the perp should be free to procreate and pleasure themselves while fantasizing about that time they dominated an innocent and unwilling victim. Yeah, that sounds fair.

As to consensual sex with a minor - who determines where the line is drawn for that taboo. Legal definitions lay groundwork for penalizations - not for physical reality. History would be SIGNIFICANTLY different if girls had been prohibited from mating soon after their bodies were able. Why did we impose such silly limits just because we started to have life expectancies past 40? Oh - that's right. mom 'n dad needed their offspring around to help out with chores or be sent to sweat shops for income.

You can't have one blanket and just overarching rule that encompasses ALL situations. Common sense has to come into play now and then. BTW, your scenario of handing one's genitals back to them has disqualified your assertions. Ridiculum is not a practical tool of defense. We have this new technology now, called DNA. Check it out.
See, no matter how ANXIOUS you wanna paint me (for "torturing" someone), I wouldn't go to such ends just because someone accused someone else. There'd have to be irrefutable proof.

Yeah, hey, come back and make your lofty argument after someone close to you has been brutally (forcefully) raped or sodomized. Come back and tell me (and make sure you share these feelings with the victim too) how we should exercise compassion on the perpetrator. When some pre-pubescent girl is literally injured by some sicko living his (or her) fantasy, come tell me how the perp deserves three squares and a TV for however long.

[Orrex]

46. You're advocating torture.

The death penalty is also barbaric, even when done "humanely."

See, no matter how ANXIOUS you wanna paint me (for "torturing" someone), I wouldn't go to such ends just because someone accused someone else. There'd have to be irrefutable proof.

I'm not painting you as anything. You yourself are explicitly articulating why you love torture, and your ongoing rationalizations only make this even clearer. Many people have been jailed (and likely executed) because of "irrefutable proof," by the way.

Torture? Maybe with a meat cleaver on an oak stump. But surgically, with anesthetics and post-castration care? Only a little inconvenience - nothing like the NIGHTMARES the victim will endure for the rest of their lives. Maybe even to the point where they'll NEVER have sex or offspring again! But the perp should be free to procreate and pleasure themselves while fantasizing about that time they dominated an innocent and unwilling victim. Yeah, that sounds fair.

If you can't see how fucked up that is, then you should probably limit your contact with human beings.

Yeah, hey, come back and make your lofty argument after someone close to you has been brutally (forcefully) raped or sodomized.

You have no business instructing me or anyone else on the impact of rape or its longterm effects. You are an advocate of torture, no matter how you try to dress it up in a nice bandage with anesthetic.


You should probably stop replying, unless you really want to continue broadcasting your strange obsession with castration. This will, in turn, be my last reply to you, because it's clear that you can't be turned away from your love of torture nor your pathological rationalizations for it.

[Plucketeer]

47. What's torturous

is how you stand for perpetrators and not for victims. By your yardstick, incarceration is probably barbaric torture too. Better to sit the perp down with some coffee and donuts and elaborate on the err of their ways. Then have them sign a pledge to try to be a better person in the future.

Yeah - let's quit. I'M a fucked up scumbag and YOU sport a halo . Got it! All good with me.

[Orrex]

48. Finally something we agree on.

I'M a fucked up scumbag.

[Plucketeer]

49. Yup

polish your halo! LOL!

[jtuck004]

31. So for women teachers who rape students would you remove their ovaries?

That, btw, is the only rape that might even come close to being more like consensual sex.

But why is it that people think rape has anything to do with sex? It is assault. Criminal assault. And for that we lock people away so they can't hurt others.

Let me assure you - removing their testicles won't have any effect on their likelihood of assaulting someone after, though it might lead to rape with objects, or even murder given that there is no other outlet for them.

Btw - when you take their testicles off they will get injections of testosterone from the doctor that does their next blood test, and you will be right back where you were. Ask anyone doing steroids, or any gp or urologist. The patient may even be more unpredictable. So they can still have all the wet dreams you don't want them to have, sans testicles.

It has to start a lot earlier, by creating a place where good jobs exist in a secure society where people have opportunity, where children are respected and taught to appreciate the differences people bring to life - beginning at home, but most certainly in the schools. Not like today. And while you may never get rid of rape, it will make it much less prevalent.

[luke102938]

23. we have no evidence the number is anywhere near 100

From the number of 2 that get convicted. Also the chart is not taking into account the people that get sent to prison anyway for a different rape or crime.

[niyad]

40. kindly produce your evidence that that number is incorrect. and I mean stats from a

LEGITIMATE, RELIABLE source.

[DesertDiamond]

39. Actually your numbers show that 1.5% are in for rape, and 8.5% are in for non-related sex crimes.

When you add in lewd acts against children, sodomy, etc., that's just padding the statistics. This string is about women being accused of deserving rape because of how they were dressed. No, 1.5% is VERY low number of convictions.

[QuestionableC]

44. Did you even look at the RAINN stats?

Rape and sexual assault are used interchangeably in the statistics showing only 2 in 100 are incarcerated. Does raping a child, raping orally, anally or with an object not count as rape to you? How do you think a victim would feel to know their rape didn't count because the rapist used a screwdriver and not a penis.

Just because the inmates were categorized based on the particulars of their rapes doesn't make them less of a rapist. Jeez. I don't know what to make of your post but rape apology is NEVER ok.

[roguevalley]

16. I love that woman. I knew her sentiments. I doubt anyone on this list doesn't know

someone who was raped even if they didn't tell you. Men and women included.

[niyad]

17. I agree. thinking of making that poster myself.

[chervilant]

19. And, can you believe

there are still people ON THIS VERY FORUM who argue that rapists get arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned? It boggles the mind...

[niyad]

41. sadly, considering some of the stuff I have seen posted on this site, stuff that is allowed

to stand, this surprises me not in the least.

[TNNurse]

3. She said should not will..entirely different.

She is not making a threat, just making a statement.

[dumbcat]

24. Many here will not make that distinction

"Should", "ought to", "somebody oughta", etc. It's all rape threats to them.

[d_legendary1]

6. I can't believe that shit is making a come back!

I remember the Puerto Rican day parade where a bunch of women got raped and the culprits were blaming Dr.Dre and the next episode video for their actions. He fired off a press release stating that the women on his video were paid professional performers who signed a contract for their services. Anyone who claims that his videos incited them to break the law can kiss my ass!

[NewJeffCT]

7. the woman provoking the rape

due to her dress and/or where she was is still way too common a belief, sadly.

[niyad]

10. it isn't making a comeback. it never went away.

[MineralMan]

12. Nice. To the point, too.

[SoapBox]

14. Perfectly said.

[blackspade]

15. Exactly right.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. The irony is that most of the men who rape probably consider themselves "Strong Willed" and "Manly".

But, they are weak when it comes to women in a tight skirt or low cut blouse.

[Tobin S.]

35. I consider them psychopaths.

You pretty much have to be incapable of empathy to do that to someone.

[Liberal_in_LA]

25. kick

[randys1]

26. Best thing I have seen this year so far.

[blkmusclmachine]

29. Blaming women ~> burqas soon.

[The Jungle 1]

30. Yup

Agree completely with the sign.

No change until there is push back.

[Jamastiene]

32. K&R

I like her attitude about it. gf

[Dont call me Shirley]

34. You raped her because you were never taught self-control, respect for others and personal space.

[Thespian2]

36. Big K & R

I was a juror in a rape trial in Virginia. White man raped a black teenager at a party. Surprisingly, the white man was convicted and sent to jail for a number of years.

[niyad]

42. that is surprising.

[99Forever]

43. Both of those thought processes are rotten.

So, does one justify the other?

"An eye for an eye, leaves the whole world blind."