Oregon Football Players stand up for Rape Victims, and get punished. Dafuq?

[riqster]

https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/01/02/oregon-football-players-stand-up-for-rape-victims-and-get-punished-dafuq/

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Really? No, seriously, really? These guys should be praised, not shat upon. No wonder we have such a rape problem on college campuses (yes, we do have such a problem. Stop arguing, and STFU about those f***wits at Rolling Stone. One s***ty story in a s***ty magazine does not mean there isn’t a rape problem).

For those who care even less about football than this writer, here is the story: FSU’s rapist QB and his rape-enabling school got their nuts kicked in during the most recent Rose Bowl game. After that nice bit of Karma-On-The-Gridiron, some of the Ducks told off Florida’s raping QB. Here’s a quote from Deadspin:

Oregon mollywhopped Florida State by 39 to advance to the college football championship game, and while accepting the Rose Bowl trophy they decided to rub it in a little. Take one part rape allegations and one part ubiquitous chant, and you have this Vine of Oregon players taunting Jameis Winston and FSU with a “no means no” tomahawk chop chant. Oof.


Update: Here’s a statement from Oregon coach Mark Helfrich: “We are aware of the inappropriate behavior in the postgame. This is not what our programs stand for, and the student-athletes will be disciplined internally.”

Got that? A bunch of athletes say “rape is a bad thing”, and their school punishes them. Other athletes rape the s*** out of women and their schools ignore it at best, and tacitly reward them at worst. Jameis Winston is but one example of many a**hole jocks who feel a sense of entitlement to commit acts of sexual violence.

And they feel that entitlement because of messages like this one from Oregon. “Don’t send out anti-rape messages, it’s not sportsmanlike” is what Oregon’s administration is saying. And they are “disciplining” the football players who dare to defy the pro-rape culture that afflicts our nation. What a bunch of stupid-f***s.

Good on the Ducks who took that stand. No matter what their school thinks.

[onecaliberal]

1. I loved every second of that game.

Sad and pathetic that men standing up for women publicly is called inappropriate and deemed worthy of punishment.
Especially when their classless opponents refused to meet at midfield to shake hands after the game.

[riqster]

3. I didn't watch, had the flu this week.

Kept tabs on the two games at intervals when I was awake. But was not surprised by FSU's actions. An arrogant program with a sense of entitlement. Much like Winston...

[onecaliberal]

5. Agree.

Take care of yourself. I hear that flu is terrible. Hope you feel better soon.

[riqster]

10. On the mend, thanks.

I hear it takes a week or three to fully recover. Thank goodness for flu shots, otherwise I might have.ended up in the hospital.

All the best.

[tularetom]

11. Most of the FSU players refused to shake hands after the game

One of the few who stayed and congratulated the Oregon players was Winston himself.

Yes, he's a scumbag and probably a felon, but he showed more class than his teammates who ran into their dressing room and hid like a bunch of babies.

He was thoroughly humiliated during the course of the game, but the post game chanting by the Oregon players was uncalled for and demeaning to them. Here again, it was not the whole team that did it, only a few on the sidelines.

The entire post game scene was a textbook case of poor sportsmanship and boorishness. It detracted from a fast paced and entertaining game.

[FLPanhandle]

2. I'd give them a symbolic punishment like the FSU QB rapist got.

Like one push up.

[riqster]

4. I'd give them medals.

[dilby]

6. I am from Oregon and I was dissapointed with how some of the players acted.

This was not the stage to make this statement, it was without class and was done as an insult to Florida and not because the players truly wanted to make an Anti-rape statement. If they wanted to make that statement they could go have a talk with their basketball team who had 3 players last year accused of rape and it was swept under the rug.

[NCTraveler]

7. It wasn't really about rape as it is made out to be here.

It was simply a shot at a member of the opposing team. Really thought it was bad sportsmanship. I do think that there is no such thing as a bad time to bring up rape on college campuses, that is not what they were doing here. Then again, I expect very little from college athletes anymore.

[dilby]

8. I agree, these guys did not do this because they care about Womens rights.

They did it because they wanted to piss on Winston. I am no fan of Winston and think the guy is a terrible person but I wonder how many of these guys who were mocking him will go out and do the exact same thing he did which is take advantage of an inebriated woman.

[Zorra]

9. "Their locker room has a nutrition bar and the players are said to subsist on granola

and wheat grass."


"Worst of all, the Ducks have been labeled "soft.""

Fla State 3 10 7 0 20
Oregon 8 10 27 14 59

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oregon-florida-state-rose-20150101-column.html

If I was an excellent high school football player, I'd go to Oregon if they recruited me.

[dilby]

13. Well you don't have to just be a football player to want to go to U of O.

The school is a great school unless you are looking for a degree in Engineering then you are better off at OSU but Eugene is a great town, the weather is pretty nice and it's only about 3 hours away from Portland if you drive the speed limit. My kids have already been brainwashed since birth to attend U of O unless they get into an Ivy league school.

[MissB]

15. Seems I have at least one kid headed that direction, maybe.

At least it is his "safety" if he doesn't get in to his preferred out of state school. Never mind that DH and I are both engineers. You can only imagine our heartbreak

[Brickbat]

12. Pretty sure this wasn't an anti-rape message.

[gratuitous]

14. Taunting Winston was bad, mmmkay?

But here in the second decade of the twenty-first century, isn't it about time for Florida State to retire that racist war chant tomahawk chop nonsense?

[dilby]

17. Yeah the school has said it's the one tradition they have no control of.

And it's not even that old, only 30 years. But I have not heard of the Seminoles complaining about it, FSU has been very particular about how they portray the Seminole people and always tried to give them respect.

[gratuitous]

18. Color me unconvinced

It wouldn't happen overnight, but the school could stop it if it cared to. Stanford and St. John's found a way.

[madokie]

16. in private the conversation was

probably, mythinking, you all shouldn't have done that but since you did good, I'm fine with it.

Most polite people don't like sexual assault and I'd say their coach probably fits that bill.

I thought it was a good game btw

[Igel]

19. Too many problems with it.

Sad to hear it happened.

The FSU football player, for all sorts of reasons (some probably good, some bad) had the charges dropped in the in-house investigation and no charges were officially filed. Public vendettas when there's no legal basis for them are a bad thing, esp. when done by somebody acting as representatives of a school. However we view that, it remains the case. Our personal opinions aren't really relevant there. (Moreover, notice the mild hypocrisy: a young black male is accused of having a handgun or drugs when arrested, and we assume it's a lie or planted and we require exceptional proof to establish guilt; somebody accuses a black male football player of rape, suddenly we require exceptional proof to establish innocence. I assume if there'd been no rape allegations we'd be up in arms against the UO football players for their racist tomahawk chop gestures, but since it's for a higher cause ...)

At the same time, we miss that it's just an attempt at personal humiliation. "No means no" can just mean "no, we told you you couldn't do that, and we meant it. Now toddle on home to mommy." With tomahawk-based explanation points. ("Bangs," if you like puns.)


If you like a possible third layer of exegesis ... It pays to know that among athletes sexual metaphors abound for winning and losing. "We lost" is "they fucked us" or "we were anally raped." "We really lost" can come out as "we were anally destroyed." The variation and ingenuity in producing new expressions is truly impressive. "No means no" plays both on the anti-rape and the types of metaphors used. Then again, perhaps that's giving jocks too much credit for thinking.

(Oh, wait. Isn't that a stereotype, "big dumb jock"?)