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Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 12:38 AM Jan 2015

Koch brothers freak out in response to Rolling Stone expose

Koch brothers freak out in response to Rolling Stone expose

Tim Dickinson's fantastic expose of the Koch brothers in the latest issue of Rolling Stone has gotten plenty of attention. For very good reason: it's a well-sourced, deep dive into the very toxic—literally toxic—business that earned the Kochs enough money to buy up an entire political party. That and the wrongful death judgement, six felony and numerous misdemeanor convictions, the tens of millions of dollars in fines, and the trading with Iran are all included in the story, well worth your time.

No one has given it more attention, it seems, than the notoriously thin-skinned Kochs. In typical Koch fashion, they don't argue the facts of Dickinson's story. They attack Dickinson, who responds here. Here's the nut of his detailed response.

The requests to speak to Charles Koch and Bouchouev were simply ignored. Ultimately, only Holden responded on the record, only via e-mail and only after Holden baselessly insinuated that I had been given an "opposition research" document dump from the liberal activist David Brock. (This is false.) From my perspective as a reporter, Koch Industries is the most hostile and paranoid organization I've ever engaged with—and I've reported on Fox News. In a breach of ethics, Koch has also chosen to publish email correspondence characterizing the content of a telephone conversation that was, by Koch's own insistence, strictly off the record. […] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/30/1333457/-Kochs-brothers-freak-out-in-response-to-Rolling-Stone-expose?detail=email
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Koch brothers freak out in response to Rolling Stone expose (Original Post) Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 OP
Good work, Rolling Stone and Tim Dickinson! CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2015 #1
The Koch Bros are economic terrorists. They should be put away for a long time. Initech Jan 2015 #2
Whispeers in the streets say they could get street justice Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #6
I hadn't heard much from Kenny Wayne Shepherd in recent years so mimi85 Jan 2015 #20
Thanks for those lyrics libodem Jan 2015 #36
The stuck pig squeals. alfredo Jan 2015 #3
Nice link... Here are three stronger versions in a more obvious presentation... Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #10
Too sleepy to read it. I will come back in the morn. alfredo Jan 2015 #54
If you want to bring them down then you must educate.. Historic NY Jan 2015 #4
That's right... Blanks Jan 2015 #32
Here is a link waddirum Jan 2015 #33
That story actually kind of takes the Koch brothers side... Blanks Jan 2015 #41
You would think that a conscientious tea partier would object to their .... AlbertCat Jan 2015 #46
I have a lot of family and friends... Blanks Jan 2015 #49
it is the church tiny elvis Jan 2015 #53
and uh, there's a funny new online radio station from Area 51 I guess... Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #57
Roll 'em to the chopping block. JEB Jan 2015 #5
what is going on at DU has anyone read this OP? Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #58
K&R silverweb Jan 2015 #7
This is all well and good, but from September 2014 SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2015 #8
Justice comes in many forms Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #52
Trouble Comin' Every Day NBachers Jan 2015 #9
Uh, huh... DreamGypsy Jan 2015 #16
the more things change onethatcares Jan 2015 #21
you got that right; but things are chaning in unseen, unpredictable ways Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #59
Always fun to watch them squirm - Marie Marie Jan 2015 #11
You know they KNOW they suck as human beings Tsiyu Jan 2015 #12
You are spot on with this Tsiyu. Marie Marie Jan 2015 #13
Happy New Year to you as well, Marie Marie! Tsiyu Jan 2015 #15
Dang! I love your sig line, too!!! calimary Jan 2015 #55
I keep hoping George Bush I will give a complete confession as he glimpses the great beyond NBachers Jan 2015 #17
He's probably the next to go Tsiyu Jan 2015 #18
A couple of catacombs worth of skeletons hifiguy Jan 2015 #37
The Koch brothers biggest secret... Kevin from WI Jan 2015 #34
Tim Dickinson writes good stuff JohnnyRingo Jan 2015 #14
this is a fine way to start the year DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #19
Actually if you read my earlier post to Marie Marie Kevin from WI Jan 2015 #35
kick samsingh Jan 2015 #22
What?, all that money and power TNNurse Jan 2015 #23
you guys are aware, ellennelle Jan 2015 #24
I think most know that. Thespian2 Jan 2015 #40
You are too kind !! geretogo Jan 2015 #44
Kickin' Faux pas Jan 2015 #25
I agree with a post upthread chervilant Jan 2015 #26
Buycott app does a good job. stillwaiting Jan 2015 #27
Thanks so much! chervilant Jan 2015 #28
at least for now. Enjoy while they are still there erronis Jan 2015 #38
This was before the election.. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #29
A September article that went mostly unnoticed by the mass media then and now as well. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #30
"... earned the Kochs enough money to buy up an entire political party." Scuba Jan 2015 #31
Tim hit this one out of the park blackspade Jan 2015 #39
to bad we can't 'sanction' ALL their billions to clean-up the mess they made of USA environment & Sunlei Jan 2015 #42
In other Banana Republics reporters end up disappearing when trying to expose oligarchs ruling geretogo Jan 2015 #43
They screwed up by getting cocky. We will prevail. grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #45
Great Article colsohlibgal Jan 2015 #47
I just finished reading this entire article, and some ancillary stuff. chervilant Jan 2015 #48
KICK! Cha Jan 2015 #50
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jan 2015 #51
Like cockroaches scurrying away in the sunlight. Quantess Jan 2015 #56

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,637 posts)
1. Good work, Rolling Stone and Tim Dickinson!
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 12:45 AM
Jan 2015

Anything that scares those creeps is just wonderful in my book.

They make me sick.



K&R

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
6. Whispeers in the streets say they could get street justice
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 01:31 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Thu Jan 1, 2015, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)


"Blue On Black"

This song reminds me of Barnaby Jack

Night, falls, and I'm alone
Skin, yeah, chilled me to the bone
You, turned and you ran,
Oh yeah
Oh slipped, right from my hand

Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Don't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh yeah, blue on black

Blind, oh, now i see
Truth, lies, and in between
Wrong, cant be undone
Oh slipped, from the tip of
Your tongue

Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead mans touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Doesn't bring you back, yeah
Blue on black
Oh, blue on black
Oh, yeah

Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
Is a dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Don't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh yeah, blue on black

Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
Is a dead mans touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Doesn't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh, blue on black
Oh wha oh, blue on black
Oh, blue on black

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
20. I hadn't heard much from Kenny Wayne Shepherd in recent years so
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:05 AM
Jan 2015

curious soul that I am, I checked wiki out and he's married to Mel Gibson's daughter, Hannah. Wonder how THEY ever got together?

libodem

(19,288 posts)
36. Thanks for those lyrics
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jan 2015

My guys at jam practice do that song and I usually fake half the words. Coolness.

I'm not allowed to say, "band practice", and am corrected every time I slip. There is no band. They play for fun.

They are very good however.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
4. If you want to bring them down then you must educate..
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 01:23 AM
Jan 2015

people about their brand and the products they push...and anything connected to them.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
32. That's right...
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jan 2015

The Koch Brothers are the Tea Party. You would think that a conscientious tea partier would object to their environmental and legal positions.

We just have to make those positions known. For example the Koch Brothers poisoned the water supply in North Pole, Alaska so they pulled out and left it up to the state of Alaska to clean up their mess.

I don't think people who worship at the feet of the Tea Party are aware that they are supporting this kind of selfish and irresponsible behavior.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
46. You would think that a conscientious tea partier would object to their ....
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jan 2015

B-b-b-but there's a black man in the White House!

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
49. I have a lot of family and friends...
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

Who live (or have ties to) where I grew up. I'm from a small town in Idaho and a lot of the people that I grew up around (and with) are firm believers in the tea party.

They seemed such like nice people and I can't believe that they know what the Koch brothers are up to and still support the 'movement'.

It's possible that I am naive and they were just evil people and I didn't see it. They didn't seem to be particularly racist either.

tiny elvis

(979 posts)
53. it is the church
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jan 2015

it is the connection of right wing bilkers to common people
they declare allegiance to the church and the church is at their service

Jeffersons Ghost

(15,235 posts)
58. what is going on at DU has anyone read this OP?
Sat Jan 3, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jan 2015
http://tunein.com/radio/Area-1029-s109007/
This was posted in "General Discussion." Here is the jury results after I reported the antisemitic hate filled Opening Post:
On Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:30 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026035620
Here is the title:
Rick Wiles: Gays, Secular Jews And Obama Jews Will Destroy America

I alerted it twice. Here is the first "jury" decision:

On Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:07 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

He has powers to spot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6036949

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

No comments added by alerter

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:12 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I hope this goes 7-0 since the alerter wasted my time with this frivolous alert. TxT
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter epic failed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is this an alert?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Over the top
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thanks for the good laugh, alerter

Here is the second "jury" decision:


REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

who else do I need to "alert" about this OP?

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:41 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is an OP about an article, not a statement from n2doc. Leave it
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It would be great if the Alerter would let us know what about this s/he thinks violates the DU rules? I don't particularly like reading crazy shit from right wingers, but posting it at DU from "rightwingwatch" is doesn't violate DU rules.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Umm... we're pointing and laughing at an asshole racist shithead... It's funny.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Reading comprehension is your friend, alerter. The OP is not an opinion - it is a snip from the linked website, rightwingwatch. That website keeps an eye on the RW crazy of the internet.

The OP followed the quoted material with: "Someone really needs medical intervention……"
Meaning, of course, the author of the crazytalk, Rick Wiles.

AND BOTH REPLIES IN MY DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND EMAIL BETTER BE PRESERVED!

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
11. Always fun to watch them squirm -
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:14 AM
Jan 2015

like the worms that they are. "Notoriously thin skinned Kochs" - these guys have no skin. All that money to pad them yet the slightest criticism makes them bleed, blue blood, of course. For all their insistence on the Free Market ideals, when it comes to Freedom of Speech - well, not so much. Kudos to Rolling Stone.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
12. You know they KNOW they suck as human beings
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:22 AM
Jan 2015

Watching an interview with the billowing necked one, I was struck by how uncomfortable he looked in his own skin.

He knows he's a greedy scumsucking pig but he is like a child who puts a shirt over his face and believes no one can see him because he can't see them.

I keep imagining an "Amazing Grace" conversion from one or the other as they get closer to death. No one lives forever, and if hell is real ( don't believe that myself ) then the Koch brothers have a bubbling, fiery, putrid cesspool reserved in their name. And they know it.

Better than any of us, those two termite queens know what evils they have done for power and money. Instead of getting accolades, they are nearly universally reviled. Except by those other 78 people who own half of the world's resources....


Love your sigline! The whole neighborhood says that when I get up!



Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
13. You are spot on with this Tsiyu.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:26 AM
Jan 2015

Happy New year to you and yours. (Glad to hear that you rattle the neighborhood upon your awakening - )

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
17. I keep hoping George Bush I will give a complete confession as he glimpses the great beyond
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:44 AM
Jan 2015

Everything from the end of World War II to Iraq. Time's running out to cleanse his "soul."

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
18. He's probably the next to go
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:54 AM
Jan 2015

been pretty sick lately.

He's always been rather inscrutable until recently, when he's broken down a few times.

Wouldn't you just love to hear his deathbed confessional though? Jeez Louise that would be something.


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. A couple of catacombs worth of skeletons
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:29 PM
Jan 2015

would come tumbling out of that vault. A veritable skeleton army.

Kevin from WI

(184 posts)
34. The Koch brothers biggest secret...
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:20 PM
Jan 2015

Most people don't know this, but the Koch brothers are actually large worms from outer space that wear human body suites which they molt out of annually. There blood is actually black and quite toxic. They do not eat a traditional earth worm diet, but instead prefer to eat the blood, tears, and souls of their victims. They don't actually live in there mansions, but prefer to burrow beneath them. Having no sex organs, they simply puke out new offspring (Scott Walker for example). Eventually they will be 100 feet long, and they and their children will eat the earth. Happy New Year!

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
14. Tim Dickinson writes good stuff
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 02:27 AM
Jan 2015

I'm a lifelong subscriber and I read the issue online. It's like reading the print copy on pdf. I donate my actual print copy to the kitchen staff at the local wing joint in exchange for letting me share a smoke with them in the back, out of the brutal Ohio breath of cold on the front walk.

I read the rest of the issue a couple nights ago and promised myself I'd return to read Dickinson's story later when I was less fatigued. Even though I just returned from my New Year get together and I feel a bit "fatigued" again, I think I might be up to it now.

Thanx for the reminder!
...and Happy New Year.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
19. this is a fine way to start the year
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:04 AM
Jan 2015

and if we are good,diligent, hard working democrats, we might get the Koches in jail for a xmas present

Kevin from WI

(184 posts)
35. Actually if you read my earlier post to Marie Marie
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

You'd realize that if they were arrested they would simply burrow through the concrete at the bottom of their prison cells and squirm away leaving a trail of slime behind them.

TNNurse

(6,927 posts)
23. What?, all that money and power
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jan 2015

And they aren't happy???

Thanks for the link, will read after morning chores.

ellennelle

(614 posts)
24. you guys are aware,
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jan 2015

this issue is three months old?

glad there's still outrage, but the RS piece was published back in september.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
40. I think most know that.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jan 2015

But the hatred of the criminal Kochs runs so deep that any chance to express that hatred is welcomed.

God has a lot to make up for since he allowed two of the most evil men on earth to breath.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
26. I agree with a post upthread
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jan 2015

that we MUST have a list of all the products that are linked even tangentially to Koch Industries. While I think it might be impossible to avoid all of their products, surely there are several that we could (and should) avoid.

Meanwhile, I am trying to inform everyone I know about the toxic Koch empire. They are inflicting massive damages to our ecosystem, and our nation.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
38. at least for now. Enjoy while they are still there
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jan 2015

but understand that this whole innertube comm thingee can be silenced selectively by the agencies and the corps.

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
29. This was before the election..
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jan 2015

funny how the article muses that if Dems hold the Senate, the Kochs will only have themselves to blame.

"The Kochs clearly do not stand up well to close scrutiny, and clearly are not prepared for it. For some reason, probably because they're richer than god, they seem to assume that they should be able to swoop into our political system and attempt to buy it without being subject to close examination. That attitude, along with their long history of abusing people, the environment, and the political system, is doing them no favors. They've made themselves the subject of this election, and if Democrats hold the Senate, it will largely be because the Kochs have made themselves such good enemies."

So none of that mattered. The Koch party won in a landslide.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
42. to bad we can't 'sanction' ALL their billions to clean-up the mess they made of USA environment &
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jan 2015

pay for Americans health care system.

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
43. In other Banana Republics reporters end up disappearing when trying to expose oligarchs ruling
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jan 2015

their country . Dickinson better watch his back .

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
47. Great Article
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jan 2015

This is where we're at, having any real reporting coming from rock music/culture magazines. MSM sure won't do it, Chuck Todd admitted it, so thanks to establishments that will publish the truth, will dig, will follow up on lies and deception.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
48. I just finished reading this entire article, and some ancillary stuff.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jan 2015

This jumped out:

In "the science of success," Charles Koch highlights the problems created when property owners "don't benefit from all the value they create and don't bear the full cost from whatever value they destroy." He is particularly concerned about the "tragedy of the commons," in which shared resources are abused because there's no individual accountability. "The biggest problems in society," he writes, "have occurred in those areas thought to be best controlled in common: the atmosphere, bodies of water, air.?.?.?."

But in the real world, Koch Industries has used its political might to beat back the very market-based mechanisms – including a cap-and-trade market for carbon pollution – needed to create the ownership rights for pollution that Charles says would improve the functioning of capitalism.

In fact, it appears the very essence of the Koch business model is to exploit breakdowns in the free market. Koch has profited precisely by dumping billions of pounds of pollutants into our waters and skies – essentially for free. It racks up enormous profits from speculative trades lacking economic value that drive up costs for consumers and create risks for our economy.


In addition to Koch Industry's obvious detriment to our environment, Koch holds an undisclosed chunk of the toxic derivatives market that Brooksley Born cautioned would send the global economy into a tailspin (which it did, in 2008). Currently the derivatives market has an estimated notional value of $1.2 quadrillion--more than twenty times the combined GDPs of every nation on this planet. This wholly unregulated market is a disaster waiting to happen.
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