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Tim Dickinson's fantastic expose of the Koch brothers in the latest issue of Rolling Stone has gotten plenty of attention. For very good reason: it's a well-sourced, deep dive into the very toxicliterally toxicbusiness that earned the Kochs enough money to buy up an entire political party. That and the wrongful death judgement, six felony and numerous misdemeanor convictions, the tens of millions of dollars in fines, and the trading with Iran are all included in the story, well worth your time.
No one has given it more attention, it seems, than the notoriously thin-skinned Kochs. In typical Koch fashion, they don't argue the facts of Dickinson's story. They attack Dickinson, who responds here. Here's the nut of his detailed response.
The requests to speak to Charles Koch and Bouchouev were simply ignored. Ultimately, only Holden responded on the record, only via e-mail and only after Holden baselessly insinuated that I had been given an "opposition research" document dump from the liberal activist David Brock. (This is false.) From my perspective as a reporter, Koch Industries is the most hostile and paranoid organization I've ever engaged withand I've reported on Fox News. In a breach of ethics, Koch has also chosen to publish email correspondence characterizing the content of a telephone conversation that was, by Koch's own insistence, strictly off the record. [ ] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/30/1333457/-Kochs-brothers-freak-out-in-response-to-Rolling-Stone-expose?detail=email
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,637 posts)Anything that scares those creeps is just wonderful in my book.
They make me sick.
K&R
Initech
(100,081 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 1, 2015, 12:20 PM - Edit history (1)
"Blue On Black"
This song reminds me of Barnaby Jack
Night, falls, and I'm alone
Skin, yeah, chilled me to the bone
You, turned and you ran,
Oh yeah
Oh slipped, right from my hand
Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Don't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh yeah, blue on black
Blind, oh, now i see
Truth, lies, and in between
Wrong, cant be undone
Oh slipped, from the tip of
Your tongue
Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
A dead mans touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Doesn't bring you back, yeah
Blue on black
Oh, blue on black
Oh, yeah
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
Is a dead man's touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Don't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh yeah, blue on black
Hey
Blue on black
Tears on a river
Push on a shove
It don't mean much
Joker on jack
Match on a fire
Cold on ice
Is a dead mans touch
Whisper on a scream
Doesn't change a thing
Doesn't bring you back
Blue on black
Oh, blue on black
Oh wha oh, blue on black
Oh, blue on black
mimi85
(1,805 posts)curious soul that I am, I checked wiki out and he's married to Mel Gibson's daughter, Hannah. Wonder how THEY ever got together?
libodem
(19,288 posts)My guys at jam practice do that song and I usually fake half the words. Coolness.
I'm not allowed to say, "band practice", and am corrected every time I slip. There is no band. They play for fun.
They are very good however.
alfredo
(60,074 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/11359184
alfredo
(60,074 posts)Historic NY
(37,451 posts)people about their brand and the products they push...and anything connected to them.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)The Koch Brothers are the Tea Party. You would think that a conscientious tea partier would object to their environmental and legal positions.
We just have to make those positions known. For example the Koch Brothers poisoned the water supply in North Pole, Alaska so they pulled out and left it up to the state of Alaska to clean up their mess.
I don't think people who worship at the feet of the Tea Party are aware that they are supporting this kind of selfish and irresponsible behavior.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Here's a link showing how the state has picked up the tab for them.
http://dec.alaska.gov/SPAR/csp/sites/north-pole-refinery/
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)B-b-b-but there's a black man in the White House!
Blanks
(4,835 posts)Who live (or have ties to) where I grew up. I'm from a small town in Idaho and a lot of the people that I grew up around (and with) are firm believers in the tea party.
They seemed such like nice people and I can't believe that they know what the Koch brothers are up to and still support the 'movement'.
It's possible that I am naive and they were just evil people and I didn't see it. They didn't seem to be particularly racist either.
tiny elvis
(979 posts)it is the connection of right wing bilkers to common people
they declare allegiance to the church and the church is at their service
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)JEB
(4,748 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)This was posted in "General Discussion." Here is the jury results after I reported the antisemitic hate filled Opening Post:
On Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:30 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026035620
Here is the title:
Rick Wiles: Gays, Secular Jews And Obama Jews Will Destroy America
I alerted it twice. Here is the first "jury" decision:
On Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:07 PM you sent an alert on the following post:
He has powers to spot
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6036949
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
No comments added by alerter
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jan 3, 2015, 07:12 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I hope this goes 7-0 since the alerter wasted my time with this frivolous alert. TxT
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The alerter epic failed.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why is this an alert?
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Over the top
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Thanks for the good laugh, alerter
Here is the second "jury" decision:
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
YOUR COMMENTS
who else do I need to "alert" about this OP?
JURY RESULTS
A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sat Jan 3, 2015, 08:41 PM, and voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT ALONE.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It is an OP about an article, not a statement from n2doc. Leave it
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It would be great if the Alerter would let us know what about this s/he thinks violates the DU rules? I don't particularly like reading crazy shit from right wingers, but posting it at DU from "rightwingwatch" is doesn't violate DU rules.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Umm... we're pointing and laughing at an asshole racist shithead... It's funny.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Reading comprehension is your friend, alerter. The OP is not an opinion - it is a snip from the linked website, rightwingwatch. That website keeps an eye on the RW crazy of the internet.
The OP followed the quoted material with: "Someone really needs medical interventionâ¦â¦"
Meaning, of course, the author of the crazytalk, Rick Wiles.
AND BOTH REPLIES IN MY DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND EMAIL BETTER BE PRESERVED!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)They've got away with it as usual.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)NBachers
(17,120 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)Watts going on?
onethatcares
(16,172 posts)the more things stay the same
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)like the worms that they are. "Notoriously thin skinned Kochs" - these guys have no skin. All that money to pad them yet the slightest criticism makes them bleed, blue blood, of course. For all their insistence on the Free Market ideals, when it comes to Freedom of Speech - well, not so much. Kudos to Rolling Stone.
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Watching an interview with the billowing necked one, I was struck by how uncomfortable he looked in his own skin.
He knows he's a greedy scumsucking pig but he is like a child who puts a shirt over his face and believes no one can see him because he can't see them.
I keep imagining an "Amazing Grace" conversion from one or the other as they get closer to death. No one lives forever, and if hell is real ( don't believe that myself ) then the Koch brothers have a bubbling, fiery, putrid cesspool reserved in their name. And they know it.
Better than any of us, those two termite queens know what evils they have done for power and money. Instead of getting accolades, they are nearly universally reviled. Except by those other 78 people who own half of the world's resources....
Love your sigline! The whole neighborhood says that when I get up!
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Happy New year to you and yours. (Glad to hear that you rattle the neighborhood upon your awakening - )
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)And thank you for your kind words.
calimary
(81,322 posts)NBachers
(17,120 posts)Everything from the end of World War II to Iraq. Time's running out to cleanse his "soul."
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)been pretty sick lately.
He's always been rather inscrutable until recently, when he's broken down a few times.
Wouldn't you just love to hear his deathbed confessional though? Jeez Louise that would be something.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)would come tumbling out of that vault. A veritable skeleton army.
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)Most people don't know this, but the Koch brothers are actually large worms from outer space that wear human body suites which they molt out of annually. There blood is actually black and quite toxic. They do not eat a traditional earth worm diet, but instead prefer to eat the blood, tears, and souls of their victims. They don't actually live in there mansions, but prefer to burrow beneath them. Having no sex organs, they simply puke out new offspring (Scott Walker for example). Eventually they will be 100 feet long, and they and their children will eat the earth. Happy New Year!
JohnnyRingo
(18,636 posts)I'm a lifelong subscriber and I read the issue online. It's like reading the print copy on pdf. I donate my actual print copy to the kitchen staff at the local wing joint in exchange for letting me share a smoke with them in the back, out of the brutal Ohio breath of cold on the front walk.
I read the rest of the issue a couple nights ago and promised myself I'd return to read Dickinson's story later when I was less fatigued. Even though I just returned from my New Year get together and I feel a bit "fatigued" again, I think I might be up to it now.
Thanx for the reminder!
...and Happy New Year.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)and if we are good,diligent, hard working democrats, we might get the Koches in jail for a xmas present
Kevin from WI
(184 posts)You'd realize that if they were arrested they would simply burrow through the concrete at the bottom of their prison cells and squirm away leaving a trail of slime behind them.
samsingh
(17,599 posts)TNNurse
(6,927 posts)And they aren't happy???
Thanks for the link, will read after morning chores.
ellennelle
(614 posts)this issue is three months old?
glad there's still outrage, but the RS piece was published back in september.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)But the hatred of the criminal Kochs runs so deep that any chance to express that hatred is welcomed.
God has a lot to make up for since he allowed two of the most evil men on earth to breath.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)so I can read it later.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)that we MUST have a list of all the products that are linked even tangentially to Koch Industries. While I think it might be impossible to avoid all of their products, surely there are several that we could (and should) avoid.
Meanwhile, I am trying to inform everyone I know about the toxic Koch empire. They are inflicting massive damages to our ecosystem, and our nation.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/buycott-barcode-scanner-grocery/id585933440?mt=8
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.buycott.android&hl=en
Just scan before you buy at the store. You'll immediately know if you are avoiding products from a particular company.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I am amazed at all the resources available via the innertubes!
erronis
(15,303 posts)but understand that this whole innertube comm thingee can be silenced selectively by the agencies and the corps.
mountain grammy
(26,624 posts)funny how the article muses that if Dems hold the Senate, the Kochs will only have themselves to blame.
"The Kochs clearly do not stand up well to close scrutiny, and clearly are not prepared for it. For some reason, probably because they're richer than god, they seem to assume that they should be able to swoop into our political system and attempt to buy it without being subject to close examination. That attitude, along with their long history of abusing people, the environment, and the political system, is doing them no favors. They've made themselves the subject of this election, and if Democrats hold the Senate, it will largely be because the Kochs have made themselves such good enemies."
So none of that mattered. The Koch party won in a landslide.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Two parties, actually.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)pay for Americans health care system.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)their country . Dickinson better watch his back .
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)This is where we're at, having any real reporting coming from rock music/culture magazines. MSM sure won't do it, Chuck Todd admitted it, so thanks to establishments that will publish the truth, will dig, will follow up on lies and deception.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)This jumped out:
In "the science of success," Charles Koch highlights the problems created when property owners "don't benefit from all the value they create and don't bear the full cost from whatever value they destroy." He is particularly concerned about the "tragedy of the commons," in which shared resources are abused because there's no individual accountability. "The biggest problems in society," he writes, "have occurred in those areas thought to be best controlled in common: the atmosphere, bodies of water, air.?.?.?."
But in the real world, Koch Industries has used its political might to beat back the very market-based mechanisms including a cap-and-trade market for carbon pollution needed to create the ownership rights for pollution that Charles says would improve the functioning of capitalism.
In fact, it appears the very essence of the Koch business model is to exploit breakdowns in the free market. Koch has profited precisely by dumping billions of pounds of pollutants into our waters and skies essentially for free. It racks up enormous profits from speculative trades lacking economic value that drive up costs for consumers and create risks for our economy.
In addition to Koch Industry's obvious detriment to our environment, Koch holds an undisclosed chunk of the toxic derivatives market that Brooksley Born cautioned would send the global economy into a tailspin (which it did, in 2008). Currently the derivatives market has an estimated notional value of $1.2 quadrillion--more than twenty times the combined GDPs of every nation on this planet. This wholly unregulated market is a disaster waiting to happen.