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‘Huge a**hole': People are mad at Jets coach Rex Ryan for wearing a #NYPD hat (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 OP
You may not have heard .. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #1
Still here blue... Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #5
That's an interesting response. I shall consider your words. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #8
And the NYPD is behaving in a childish manner Kalidurga Dec 2014 #7
Kalidurga. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #30
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #34
Me too Kalidurga Dec 2014 #40
most of us know that none of these people give a shit about the minority officers who were killed JI7 Dec 2014 #10
There are 45,000 NYPD cops _Blue_ Dec 2014 #15
the cops themselves need to condemn the bad ones , you don't see teachers defending and protecting JI7 Dec 2014 #18
I hope you are being sarcastic for emphasis and that your post is in no way serious. nt branford Dec 2014 #36
This is true in every profession. 840high Dec 2014 #29
Every profession doesn't have a license to kill. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #59
But we can talk about the bad.... daleanime Dec 2014 #53
+1,000 malaise Dec 2014 #46
Can you please post pictures and links Ramses Dec 2014 #16
Here's one headline: _Blue_ Dec 2014 #17
wow Ramses Dec 2014 #19
Who said anything about supporting police brutality? _Blue_ Dec 2014 #20
the hundreds of police that turned their backs Ramses Dec 2014 #21
I don't support their message _Blue_ Dec 2014 #22
if you support hundreds of police being insubordinate Ramses Dec 2014 #23
How did u feel about insubordinate teachers in Wisconsin? joeglow3 Dec 2014 #32
I don't worry about teachers killing me, tasing me, beating me down. Do you? Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #60
That has zero basis on this and you know it joeglow3 Dec 2014 #63
Do you support protesters rights, their voice without~ sheshe2 Dec 2014 #28
Of course, peaceful protest is a hallmark that should be protected not stifled. _Blue_ Dec 2014 #48
Using a funeral, one to which the Mayor was invited by the grieving family, as a means of sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #25
I grieve for the Officers Ramos and Liu and their dear families. My heart goes out to them all. sheshe2 Dec 2014 #27
He'll be lucky to have a job tomorrow. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #2
Hopefully he'll have a job tomorrow LittleBlue Dec 2014 #4
Yup! n/t KMOD Dec 2014 #9
My mom was friends with a lady who had this little yapping dog Kalidurga Dec 2014 #3
NY Giants Coach Tom Coughlin did as well. Raine1967 Dec 2014 #6
Agree! Sissyk Dec 2014 #12
thank goodness SOMEbody supports the Jets hfojvt Dec 2014 #38
Thank God Dorian Gray Dec 2014 #45
Twitchy is little more than a colorful, Twitter-embedded Free Republic, alp227 Dec 2014 #11
Yep Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #13
And i think Rex Ryan is an a-hole, because...HE CAN'T COACH. NT alp227 Dec 2014 #14
Oh yes he can. Are_grits_groceries Dec 2014 #44
When Rex Ryan was defensive and then assistant head coach with the Ravens LibertyLover Dec 2014 #49
Could be showing a sign of support for officers who died JonLP24 Dec 2014 #24
I have great respect for the NYPD as an institution and an idea 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #26
When people politicize sports, they risk alienating half their fan base. MADem Dec 2014 #31
Respectfully, although your point about the politicization of sports certainly has merit, branford Dec 2014 #35
Those players were black and that hit home. That coach isn't a cop and he's white. MADem Dec 2014 #39
Apparently, despite your other post, it is acceptable to potentially alienate half you fan base, branford Dec 2014 #41
"Such attire" hasn't been fashionable since Nahn Wun Wun and Terra Terra Terra ceased to be a thing. MADem Dec 2014 #42
First, I guess you've abandoned the politicization of sports argument branford Dec 2014 #43
No--you keep glossing over the powerful v. powerless aspect--which extends to the player v. coach MADem Dec 2014 #56
You do realize that older voters, Staten Islanders, Republicans, whites and males branford Dec 2014 #57
Oh goodness, no--I had no idea that they were allowed to vote at all. Why, I'm shocked! MADem Dec 2014 #58
That's not my point, and I'm not preemptively gloating when the mayor branford Dec 2014 #61
I don't think he's in as bad shape as you might think him to be. MADem Dec 2014 #66
And students are allowed to wear "i cant breathe" shirts as well. 7962 Dec 2014 #65
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #37
Celebrities and notables wearing NYPD (and FDNY) attire in New York is definitely not news. branford Dec 2014 #33
I think it is perfectly fine to ware an NYPD hat. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #47
I have no issue with that bigwillq Dec 2014 #50
Fired this morning. TBF Dec 2014 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author otohara Dec 2014 #52
+1 951-Riverside Dec 2014 #55
Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2014 #54
who's mad? Enrique Dec 2014 #62
Read this thread. maced666 Dec 2014 #64
 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
1. You may not have heard ..
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:58 AM
Dec 2014

But two minority NYPD officers were recently murdered. There has been a big #NYPD support movement showing solidarity with the officers and grieving their loss.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. And the NYPD is behaving in a childish manner
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:04 AM
Dec 2014

they don't need the kind of support you think they do. They need the support of the mental health community. So, does the asshat in a hat. It isn't grief when you turn your back on the mayor for telling his son the same thing that I have seen RWers say repeatedly ad nausea don't make sudden moves, be respectful, do what the cops say etc... and now somehow the RW/authoritarian types are taking issue with that and politicizing a funeral. If you can do all that then grief isn't the only thing you are experiencing.

sheshe2

(83,861 posts)
30. Kalidurga.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:04 AM
Dec 2014

Isn't that sad, he gave his son the 'talk' on how to survive on the street. To survive being shot, murdered in the street while being black, from a group of adults that are acting like spoiled brats right now. Showing no respect what so ever to the problem at hand or their fallen officer.

Their action disgust me.

Response to sheshe2 (Reply #30)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
40. Me too
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:49 AM
Dec 2014

and it is especially infuriating that just a week ago the RW media was beating this talk like a dead horse, insisting that if black people took this advice they would not be being murdered by cops everyday. So, now the talk is bad? Really, go ahead and replay those tapes Billo.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
10. most of us know that none of these people give a shit about the minority officers who were killed
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:10 AM
Dec 2014

the Ramos family wanted the Mayor at the funeral .

yet the racist cops turned the whole thing into something about themselves.

 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
15. There are 45,000 NYPD cops
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:18 AM
Dec 2014

Certainly every race, religion, sexual orientation and political party is represented by its diverse membership. Some are d-bags. Some are heroes. Let's trim our brush, support the good ones and condemn the bad ones.

JI7

(89,262 posts)
18. the cops themselves need to condemn the bad ones , you don't see teachers defending and protecting
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:29 AM
Dec 2014

teachers who do things like have sex with kids and then saying "we aren't all having sex with kids" .

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
53. But we can talk about the bad....
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:48 AM
Dec 2014

without be required to mention the good, I mean it must exist, right?

malaise

(269,157 posts)
46. +1,000
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:31 AM
Dec 2014

Turning their backs on their civilian boss was a despicable act - it was utter disrespect for the Ramos family

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
16. Can you please post pictures and links
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:20 AM
Dec 2014

to this huge support movement of the NYPD?

This must be front page headlines of citizens by the thousands not wearing police uniforms.

Please provide these wonderful pictures.

Im sure you can.

 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
17. Here's one headline:
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:25 AM
Dec 2014
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/us-nyc-deaths-surge-support-police-27806721

I'm sure you're just as capable of looking for more. Despite your snarky sarcasm I wanted to oblige you, because I'm just that helpful.
 

Ramses

(721 posts)
19. wow
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:35 AM
Dec 2014

I see bon jovi, abcnews source of "hundreds" of well wishers and about 6 other people in the entire article that support police brutality.

I guess asking for actual pictures of the thousands that support this wonderful movement is too difficult

Funny, i used the google to and found nothing except extreme right wing abcnews

So very strange

 

_Blue_

(106 posts)
20. Who said anything about supporting police brutality?
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:41 AM
Dec 2014

Besides you? You can support the good cops without supporting the bad ones. You can support the murdered officers while still condemning the murder of Eric Garner.

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
21. the hundreds of police that turned their backs
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:51 AM
Dec 2014

In NY must be just be the bad apples. Thank goodness only several hundred cops and the union head said they are a wartime department and turned their backs on a sitting elected mayor.

Just several hundred bad apples, right?

 

Ramses

(721 posts)
23. if you support hundreds of police being insubordinate
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:02 AM
Dec 2014

And declaring themselves a wartime department, then i am and will never support or be on your side.

Mass insubordination of law enforcement against government, while declaring themselves a wartime department are enemies of American citizens, period. I do not support organized crime, even if they have badges.

This is where our conversation ends

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
63. That has zero basis on this and you know it
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:34 PM
Dec 2014

We are talking about the legal rights of a government employee to speak out (verbally or nonverbally) in a protest against a government leader. You damn well know it is the same thing, but are willing sell your convictions in a New York minute to placate your strong dislike of police officers.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Using a funeral, one to which the Mayor was invited by the grieving family, as a means of
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:18 AM
Dec 2014

getting attention for themselves, you call that 'a big #NYPD support movement showing solidarity with the officers'? All I saw was a distraction from the grieving family and 'LOOK AT US' tactic and haven't seen much about the family itself.

Shame on them.

And shame on Lynch for falsely accusing the Mayor and the Protesters for 'having blood on their hands'. That is crazy talk.

Throwing public temper tantrums at funerals isn't even for two year olds. They are acting like spoiled brats and it's back firing on them, as it should.

sheshe2

(83,861 posts)
27. I grieve for the Officers Ramos and Liu and their dear families. My heart goes out to them all.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:42 AM
Dec 2014

However do not preach their solidarity to me, Blue. They acted like recalcitrant children, not grieving officers. They showed disrespect to the Mayor and Officer Ramos. The NYPD wants respect then they can damn well show some! They made a joke out of that funeral and Ramos and his family. It was a pitiful display of arrogance on there part.

They need to grow up and take some responsibility for there actions. They are employees of the State of NY and the Mayor is there boss. Grow up!

And here is some great respect they gave to to Garner. They mock the victim. I am so appalled at this pitiful ugly display.

Disrespect for our citizens. Disrespect to those that died unarmed. Disrespect for a kind man that could not breathe. He could not breathe as the police strangled him for selling cigarettes. Oh, a black man will never get respect. Yet they will surely get ridicule after they die. It is obvious that BLACK LIVES DO NOT MATTER.

Evidence is here,




http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026012180#post6

RESPECT IS NOT A GIVEN! IT IS EARNED! AND THEY SURE AS HELL HAVE NOT EARNED IT!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
3. My mom was friends with a lady who had this little yapping dog
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:00 AM
Dec 2014

it would just yap and yap for no apparent reason, until it's owner picked it up. Yeah, for some reason Malkin reminds me of that little dog.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
6. NY Giants Coach Tom Coughlin did as well.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:03 AM
Dec 2014

And NYG team players wore this before the game:

Rex Ryan is a knuckled for a lot of reasons, but this? No.

Signed,
Life long Giants Fan.

Dorian Gray

(13,498 posts)
45. Thank God
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:08 AM
Dec 2014

I was born into a family of Giants fans, then.

(Though not exactly doing much for me now!)

alp227

(32,047 posts)
11. Twitchy is little more than a colorful, Twitter-embedded Free Republic,
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:11 AM
Dec 2014

where the editors highlight tweets that incite the comments section to be full of "libtard" type insults.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
44. Oh yes he can.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:03 AM
Dec 2014

He is a great defensive coach and with a decent OC they would have been okay.
In addition, that asshat GM Idzik drafted Geno Smith and refused to spend money after that when they were 20M under the cap.

I don't know if he would have made it with those changes, but he would have had a better chance.

LibertyLover

(4,788 posts)
49. When Rex Ryan was defensive and then assistant head coach with the Ravens
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:20 AM
Dec 2014

he was very good. He was one of a few of the Brian Billick-era coaches that John Harbaugh wanted to keep and went out of his way to rehire after the disasterous 2007 season. The team was sorry to loose him but pleased that he was leaving for a head coaching position.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
24. Could be showing a sign of support for officers who died
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:16 AM
Dec 2014

rather than making a political statement. Always been a fan of his defenses and they were a strong team with Brian Schottenheimer but Rex may lose me with this one. I haven't seen a coach as loved by players since Dave McGinnis or Dick Vermeil so I hope they take their views into consideration.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
26. I have great respect for the NYPD as an institution and an idea
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:20 AM
Dec 2014

I have zero respect for the psychos, thugs, rapists, racists, the wanna be soldiers and the various other aggressive mentally ill people who are in the system like Officer John Rajan.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
31. When people politicize sports, they risk alienating half their fan base.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 03:33 AM
Dec 2014

That was a dumbshit thing for the coach to do.

Throw a little more gasoline on the fire, Rex! Obtuse jerk...tone deaf.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
35. Respectfully, although your point about the politicization of sports certainly has merit,
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:07 AM
Dec 2014

many here on DU cheered when various NBA players and others wore the "I Can't Breath" shirts in opposition to the NYPD, despite a sizable amount of the public believing it was inappropriate.

Do you similarly believe that the NBA players were also pouring gasoline on the proverbial fire by their actions and statements?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
39. Those players were black and that hit home. That coach isn't a cop and he's white.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:55 AM
Dec 2014

And to project any kind of "equivalence" on the two scenarios is lame in the extreme.

"I can't breathe" was the final phrase of a man who was POWERLESS against the ALL-POWERFUL, CONTROLLING guys in blue with guns.

#NYPD is a statement of alliance with the all-powerful guys who choked the breath out of the powerless guy selling loosies.

If the coach wanted to make a statement of support for the fallen NYPD officers, he should do a PSA commercial advocating for better mental health screening and taking guns off the street, so crazy people won't shoot Hispanic and Asian cops in their patrol cars.

The way this bullshit is being framed, it's all about finding a way to BLAME black people who have a problem with the way that the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases were (mis)managed, versus "RAH RAH NYPD, and it's all the fault of those demonstrating (rioting--yeah, that's better) black people that those two officers are dead. They "incited" that lunatic who shot those guys. Blame THEM. Oh--and that MAYOR with his interracial family? He sucks, TOO! How dare he take 'their' side in all this!!!" for those who don't read.

BLAME is being placed, here. Anyone who can support a NYPD that turns their BACKS on the damn mayor at a MEMORIAL SERVICE needs to step back and take a reality pill.

Anyone who cannot see the power differential here does not want to see it.

The NBA did not fine any of the players who wore the shirts--but they TALKED about it. A LOT. Before they magnanimously decided to let it go /snark. Because, you know, uppity and all that stuff.

No one said a word about fining this tone-deaf fire-starting coach.

So what's up with that?

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
41. Apparently, despite your other post, it is acceptable to potentially alienate half you fan base,
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 06:34 AM
Dec 2014

if you or others happen agree with the message or who its supports. Whether you like it or not, and as you apparently acknowledge, the actions by the NBA players was indeed very controversial with many, and certainly not all those people were racist.

In any event, I do not personally object to either the NYPD attire or the "I Can't Breathe" shirts. Both messages are lawful, appear to not violate any team or league rules, and the fans and public can support or oppose the individual team or players are they see fit. Free speech and peaceful protest is valuable, even when you might not agree with the message.

Lastly, I believe that people are probably reading far too much into the NYPD hats and shirts. Such attire is commonly worn by New Yorkers and others without any issue or comment, and to an extent there actually is any message, solidarity for the NYPD in light of the slain officers is hardly unusual or controversial in the NYC metropolitan area, and does not mean or imply that those people support the malfeasance of a tiny number of individual officers. If you're looking to be offended by something, you'll always find it.



MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. "Such attire" hasn't been fashionable since Nahn Wun Wun and Terra Terra Terra ceased to be a thing.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 06:48 AM
Dec 2014

I was born at night but not last night. Bush hasn't been POTUS for awhile.

This guy is "supporting" a public police force that turned their back on the elected mayor of a city during a memorial service where said mayor was INVITED by the grieving family.

If you choose to find that "equivalent" to people objecting to the homicide of an unarmed black man by choking by a crew of armed, uniformed officers, well, I can't help you to see the light.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/nypd-brutality/

http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2014/09/nypd-pregnant-woman-video-sandra-amezquita

http://rt.com/usa/170172-nypd-arrest-subway-sleeping/

These police have a PROBLEM...and Eric Garner is still DEAD.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
43. First, I guess you've abandoned the politicization of sports argument
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:23 AM
Dec 2014

in opposition to the NYPD attire, and now are simply just unilaterally opposing anything that may appear to support the NYPD or police generally.

I'm a lifelong resident of NYC, work in Manhattan, and routinely travel the entire metropolitan area for work and social matters. I can assure you that NYPD (and FDNY) attire is as popular as NY sports team clothing (and NY loves its sports teams), and is particularly noticeable this time of year, since it's also a favorite of tourists. The popularity was certainly at its zenith around 9-11, but never really left. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find photos of Mayor deBlasio with a NYPD hat or windbreaker from before the Garner grand jury decision, or he'll likely be wearing it soon with his newfound support and admiration for the department (and political polling, see below). What's the basis of your familiarity with the NYC metropolitan area fashion trends other than hatred of the police department?

Moreover, whether you like or agree with it or not, the NYPD is popular with many in the city and beyond, and a great number of people are indeed happy to demonstrate solidarity with the department after the murder of the officers. To deny this fact is to deny reality, and more importantly, forms a poor foundation to establish a coherent strategy to reduce racial disparities in the criminal justice system in NYC or elsewhere. The mayor appears to acknowledge this and is acting accordingly, with the request for a pause in the protests probably just the beginning.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/new-york-city/release-detail?ReleaseID=2120

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/new-yorkers-who-like-cops-dont-like-de-blasio/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. No--you keep glossing over the powerful v. powerless aspect--which extends to the player v. coach
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:14 PM
Dec 2014

element.

And a coach wearing a hat during a GAME is entirely different than players wearing expressions of sympathy following a homicide by choking BEFORE a game--but let's not concern ourselves with that, because then the power differential becomes apparent, and it gets messy and real. One guy is backing the chokers during a game, by extension "blaming" the black community for the deaths of two officers by a nutcase, the others are expressing sympathy for a death before a game. See the difference? No? Then you don't WANT to see the difference.

I'm not taking your word for the popularity of NYPD gear or the NYPD after their conduct of late. I spend a lot of time in NY, in Queens, specifically, with occasional forays into the city, and I can go days and weeks without seeing a single piece of "NYPD gear" as you call it. I haven't seen any of that shit since the Bush administration. I can't go an hour without seeing a Yankees cap or logo, but NYPD? Not so much--in fact, hardly at all. So...whatever.

And if the "NYPD" is "popular" (based solely on your say-so, hmmmm), I'd have to aver that the mayor is, too--judging by his margin of victory. That's a bit more factual than an internet opinion.

I think the NYPD is about as popular as measles or diarrhea amongst minorities in NYC in recent weeks, and I can't say as I blame them. I'll wager a lot of folks of the caucasian persuasion aren't too impressed with those Protectors and Servers in Blue--because it looks way too much like they're protecting their own six and serving their self-interests. They're creating a divide by turning their back on the mayor, because he spoke the truth and LIVES it as the parent of black children.

Who "likes" the cops? Gee, let's have a look at YOUR last link, shall we?

Support for the police is highest among older voters, Staten Islanders, Republicans, whites and males. These are the same groups in which support for de Blasio is lowest. De Blasio does best among young voters, Bronxites, Democrats, African-Americans and women, which is where police approval is lowest.


Surprise, surprise....

I rather doubt those "NYPD lovers" are out in force here at DU, especially with the conduct of so many of them at that memorial service. The NYPD need to get correct, because they do not have the faith or trust of half the population--at least. That's not a good place to be as public servants.


And...unrelated to his poor choice in headgear, but just in the nick of time:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12091383/new-york-jets-clean-house-fire-gm-john-idzik-coach-rex-ryan

What a fortuitous confluence of events for the Jets....they can assuage their fan base and get rid of a shitty coach.


 

branford

(4,462 posts)
57. You do realize that older voters, Staten Islanders, Republicans, whites and males
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:46 PM
Dec 2014

are permitted (and do) vote in NYC elections. You cannot just dismiss them and the other polling data because they do not conform to your preconceived notions.

You are also certainly free to advocate for your '"power differential" argument concerning who's permitted free speech or how people are supposed to react, but your opinion is not a universal fact, and no one needs, or generally has, to adopt such speech restrictive reasoning.

In any event, the mayor has apparently read the polls and discussed the matter with professional political advisers, and his recent comments loudly and repeatedly extolling the many virtues of the NYPD, all while simultaneously pleading for a pause in the protests and then actually criticizing the protesters who did not heed his advice, really speak for themselves.

What are you going to do when you see Mayor deBlasio in a NYPD hat or windbreaker in the coming months, just like every mayor before him?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. Oh goodness, no--I had no idea that they were allowed to vote at all. Why, I'm shocked!
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:20 PM
Dec 2014


What an absurd thing for you to say.

What I do know, though, is what party most of those types vote FOR.

And it ain't Bill DeBlasio's party. As YOUR links illustrated.

So, there's that. And that's no surprise to anyone paying attention, either.

If you're still around when that Great Day that you so breathlessly postulate comes, do feel free to find me and point out those pictures you anticipate will be taken of the mayor in your oh-so-important hat, OK? Then you'll find out what I might "do" if this hypothetical moment arrives...



And I'll bet that those people from Staten Island, and those who are white, male, Republican, etc., who don't like the Mayor now won't like him any better later, even if you can ever cough up a picture of him wearing your all-important hat. But hey, you'll have made your little point, which is that Republican voters wearing NYPD hats don't like the Mayor...not really a surprise, that, is it?
 

branford

(4,462 posts)
61. That's not my point, and I'm not preemptively gloating when the mayor
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:38 PM
Dec 2014

will inevitably appear in NYPD attire, likely during the first major snow of January.

My point, as indicated in the polling data, is that the reality of the city is Mayor deBlasio's approval numbers have fallen precipitously, he's arguably underwater just a year after he had a 70% approval (and the polling was before the murder of the officers), and it's likely the result of his deteriorating relationship with the police.

I voted for deBlasio, want him to succeed, and would like to see some reforms in the police department. However, I will not be willfully blind to the fact that a great many, now possibly a majority, of my fellow New Yorkers are displeased with the mayor and his policies, and many strongly support the NYPD, if nothing else in solidarity with the slain officers.

In order to establish an effective strategy in NYC to accomplish goals that we both probably agree upon, it must take account of the city as it is, not how we would like or demand it to be. Besides the fact that I obviously support broad free speech rights, and since I also believe the NYPD attire is both largely nonpolitical or certainly not expressing opposition to all police reforms, I similarly believe that singling out and criticizing people who wear NYPD clothing, particularly since the second officer has not yet even been buried, is politically unwise, short-sighted and very counterproductive.

Mayor Dinkins heavily relied on identity politics and confrontation with the police. Do not forget that he was a one term mayor who has virtually disappeared, and his loss ushered in a era of 20 years(!!!) of conservative rule of Giuliani and Bloomberg. I'm not eager to repeat the process, and from what I've seen, neither if Mayor deBlasio.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
66. I don't think he's in as bad shape as you might think him to be.
Tue Dec 30, 2014, 12:02 AM
Dec 2014

It's inevitable that someone like the mayor with a strong showing is going to come down over time--people vote for hope and change, and then reality intrudes. When they realize their savior does NOT have a magic wand, the voting public gets pissed and shirty, some of them. And professional whiners who are always eager to pull public figures down a peg will latch onto this "How dare a father of black kids be nuanced" poutrage that some on the right are shopping as "proof" that the Mayor isn't kissing NYPD ass. I'm not buying their gripes. They're the ones with the problem--maybe if they didn't choke people on the streets, they wouldn't be feeling afraid to do their jobs all of a sudden.

Dinkins was a freak election--not like this one. Are you forgetting that he beat incumbent KOCH in the primary? Tone-deaf Ed Koch? Corrupt, racist Ed Koch? And in an interesting look through the long lens of history, even the NYT says that the Dinkins administration was pretty damn successful on a lot of fronts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/nyregion/26dinkins.html?_r=0

Mr. Dinkins’s most lasting achievement might have been in the very area where he now fares worst in popular memory. He obtained the State Legislature’s permission to dedicate a tax to hire thousands of police officers, and he fought to preserve a portion of that anticrime money to keep schools open into the evening, an award-winning initiative that kept tens of thousands of teenagers off the street. Later he hired Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, and in the mayor’s final years in office, homicide began its now record-breaking decline.

His officials played a key role in negotiating the cleanup and revitalization of Times Square, persuading the Walt Disney Corporation to rehabilitate an old 42nd Street theater.....over all, Mr. Dinkins rebuilt more housing in a single term than Mr. Giuliani did in two terms.

Mr. Dinkins also negotiated a stadium deal that still draws applause. His administration gave the United States Tennis Association a 99-year lease on city parkland; in exchange, the tennis association built a stadium and tennis complex in Flushing Meadows, Queens, and shares the courts with the public.
....his administration made advances unmatched by succeeding administrations. He joined with Gov. Mario M. Cuomo and poured money into assisted housing for the mentally ill homeless.

As a result, the city’s shelter population fell to its lowest point in the last 20 years. The shelter population in 1991 stood at less than 20,000; today it stands near 38,000.



And who is "singling out and criticizing people who wear NYPD clothing?" When you wear a Yankees hat, people assume you root for the Yankees. When you wear a Save The Planet tee shirt, people assume you are an environmentalist. Don't wear the 'gear' if you don't desire the association--and right now, the association isn't all rosy and sweet. In this environment, with the choking, beating, homiciding police, engaged in quite a bit of gratuitous brutality of late (and two of them getting shot by a nutter in a warped 'reaction' to the homicide of Garner) battle lines WERE being drawn--and the NYPD was doing more than their share of drawing them, with their back turning and childishness and confrontational statements about their damn boss at City Hall.

My point is that I don't see anyone I hang out with wearing that shit--they wouldn't be caught dead in it--especially after Garner, and even more so after these stunts with the Mayor. It's like wearing "I'm An Asshole" gear. That kind of crap is for angry white men and Republicans, these days. It may not have been uncool back in the days when Nahn Wun Wun Changed Ever-Thang, but those days are LONG gone. The NYPD have spent all their goodwill, and they're in debt, solely owing to their boorish behavior. The FDNY doesn't have this problem--they save people from burning buildings, they don't choke them for selling loosies. We're getting to the point where we're--at long last--not hearing NAHN WUN WUN as an excuse, a reason, a deflection every five minutes. So this whole "Waaaah--don't criticize the NYPD" game isn't going to be played any more. They need to change THEIR attitudes--not expect the public to kiss their asses.

The police need to grow the hell up, stop acting like bullies and brutes, get the spirit, stop choking and shooting, and start protecting and serving, or there will be consequences--and not the "riot in the street" consequences, but the "kick out the shitty managers and get people in there who can hold these clowns to standards, rigorously enforce them, and punish failures in professionalism" consequences. Can't happen soon enough. Time for a culling--the misfits need to be fired and the slackers need to be called to account. That display of boorishness at the Memorial Service and the graduation showed the world how childish and immature they were. They're mad because people are noticing them--but not in a good way.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
65. And students are allowed to wear "i cant breathe" shirts as well.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 10:28 PM
Dec 2014

If you can wear one, you can wear the other. It doesnt contain any offensive language or anything else. Like it or not, they can wear whatever the league allows them to wear

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branford

(4,462 posts)
33. Celebrities and notables wearing NYPD (and FDNY) attire in New York is definitely not news.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 04:01 AM
Dec 2014

It's sold everywhere in the city, and is even some of the favorite items for purchase by tourists, particularly since 9-11. The attire is a common enough occurrence to be completely ubiquitous in the NYC metropolitan area, and is seen as often as clothing from local sports teams like the Yankees. The fact that more people than usual might be wearing it now to show solidarity with the slain officers is hardly surprising or controversial.

To the obvious great surprise of some here, many people actually like and respect the NYPD and have had positive interactions with the officers. Wearing such attire is also hardly an endorsement of any improprieties by a tiny number of the over 34,000 men and women of the department.



 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
47. I think it is perfectly fine to ware an NYPD hat.
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:40 AM
Dec 2014

It is common here when there are deaths in the NYPD or FDNY to ware their logos in solidarity.

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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
54. Perhaps ...
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

he's making a subtle bid for a Chief Security job, or maybe an appeal to the Jets' ownership ... because after this season's results, he should be looking for a job!

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
62. who's mad?
Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:41 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure that Twitchy was able to find random people that got mad. You can find anything you want on the Internet.

What about people anyone has heard of? For example, some kind of equivalent to the backlash against the athletes who wore shirts protesting police brutality? For example the police unions who demanded an apology and all the pundits demanding the NFL punish those players. Any equivalent? I doubt it.

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