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http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/28/chuck-todd-defends-challenging-republican-lies-meet-press.htmlChuck Todd Defends Not Challenging Republican Lies On Meet The Press
By: Jason Easley
Sunday, December, 28th, 2014, 12:28 pm
Chuck Todd explained that the mainstream media has sold out facts for access. Todd said that he allows guests to lie on Meet The Press, because if he didnt, politicians (Republicans) would refuse to be on his show.
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During a roundtable discussion with several comedians Meet The Presss Chuck Todd made excuses for why he lets Republicans get away with saying things that arent true.
Lewis Black asked Todd how he put up with guests who babble on with their talking points without barking at them, and Todds answer revealed why people dont trust the media. The Meet The Press host said, We all sit there, because we all know, the first time we bark is the last time that they do the show. You say something, and sometimes it is last time they will ever come on your show. There is that balance.
One never hears stories about Democrats refusing to on non-Fox News shows because they are worried about the interviewer. It is common practice for Republicans to avoid any outlet that will challenge their falsehoods and talking points. Republicans have Fox News, so unless they are treated like they would be on Fox, they avoid mainstream media interviews.
The corporate media, like Chuck Todd, go easy on Republicans because they need access to guests for their shows. In other words, the mainstream media regularly sells out facts and truth in order to keep the access that they believe that they need. What people like Chuck Todd dont understand is that by letting guests get away with saying things that arent true, they are permanently damaging the credibility of the press and fueling distrust of the media.
No one is suggesting that mainstream media should be attacking guests, but their first responsibility should be to facts not access. Politicians need the media. They need national platforms. Todds excuse for why the mainstream allows Republicans to lie doesnt hold up under scrutiny.
Since the news became a corporate for-profit enterprise, the mission of informing the public has taken a back seat to the idea that not rocking the boat is better for business than telling the truth. Chuck Todd is a symptom of a much larger disease. His explanation perfectly sums up why millions of Americans dont trust the corporate media.
spanone
(135,846 posts)fearful that they won't appear on their shows. truth is second to ratings...or maybe fourth or fifth.
sadly, our political hosts of today don't have a shred of journalistic integrity.
if the media doesn't call out lies, they are more than worthless, they are complicit.
not the first time chuck has revealed this disgusting truth....
Chuck Todd: It's Not Media's Job To Correct GOP's Obamacare Falsehoods
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-todd-it-s-not-media-s-job-to-correct-gop-s-obamacare-falsehoods-video
renate
(13,776 posts)They need to be on those shows as much or more than the shows need them.
If Chuck only had Democrats on the show, would he really expect Republicans to just sit back, stay off the air, and say "have at us"?
His logic is... illogical.
spanone
(135,846 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)StevePaulson
(174 posts)It's not like the MSM ever interviewed some of the tens of thousands who lost loved ones because they couldn't afford a doctor. How about the millions of folks who lost everything when they got sick with no/crappy insurance before Obamacare.
The MSM is only here to make a profit selling us barf tv.
I try to listen to Democracy Now but the real news is horrifying....
This world is going to hell in a big hurry.
I mean for us, not the .01%'ers the politicians work for.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Somehow, I don't think so Chuck. These people are vain and like nothing better than to be seen and listen to themselves talk. There's no shortage of them in Washington. As far as they're concerned, bad face time is better than no face time. Besides, as soon as one fades from the spotlight, there's another to take their place.
spanone
(135,846 posts)he doesn't understand that it's completely the opposite of what he thinks.
CanonRay
(14,105 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Why not just let the politicians have their own fucking shows?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)When repukes go on Fox it's just ads paid for by Murdoch
GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,584 posts)Martin Eden
(12,872 posts)Obviously.
dickthegrouch
(3,176 posts)That's the only thing to keep the system honest
lolly
(3,248 posts)In fact, why not make them buy their own time, like the other infomercials do? And make them hire and pay for their own "interviewer" and "audience," just like on the other infomercials?
BumRushDaShow
(129,139 posts)the most trusted moderators of the past had incredible ratings by not pulling punches on prevarication and challenging them to argue their cases coherently.... rather than to opt to coddle the liars and attack the truth-tellers.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)He has just explained to us why main stream media is useless as a source for news.
tavernier
(12,393 posts)and yes.
Whe didn't Lewis Black counter with that simple fact?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I would NEVER expect the truth or accuracy in reporting from the M$M. Those days are long gone. Now we have corporate talking heads that don't care about journalism. They care about their paycheck and nothing more.
cilla4progress
(24,738 posts)to start out every show listing the politicians invited who wouldn't come on, describing the timeline of challenging their talking points and its nexus to their refusal to come back.
I'm so sick of these scared little nitwits and their lame excuses.
mopinko
(70,138 posts)how many times does he think it will take? "senator blowhard refused to come on the show to answer the question xyz." start a few weeks of the show with that statement, and see what happens, you little toad.
wheniwasincongress
(1,307 posts)would perhaps even bring in people watching the show just to hear the dirt on who wouldn't come on and why. I love it!
on point
(2,506 posts)Liberal Lantern
(22 posts)That's why I don't bother to acknowledge MTP any longer. At least Russert would have even Louis Farrakhan on the show and neither one shied away from the open forum. Chuck Todd doesn't even try. He is too deferential....
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... didn't respond to invitation and let come what may
calimary
(81,323 posts)Otherwise they become like SONY initially was toward the hackers - "oh, uh, okay, we'll bow to your dictates. Whatever you say! We'll be nice! Don't be mean to us!"
Unfortunately we already have a template for that. Cenk Uyger and the Young Turks got the axe because the thin-skinned control freaks in the RNC in Washington complained that his show wasn't being very nice to them and they were gonna retaliate by not being available to guest on the show. BIG FUCKING DEAL. SO THE-HELL WHAT??? Shoulda dick cheney'd them (as that war criminal hissed to Patrick Leahy on the floor of the Senate: "Go Fuck Yourself!"
The proper response to this, when these assholes throw a hissy fit, should be: "So What?" Basically - "oh, so you don't want to come on? Can dish it out but can't take it? FINE! We've got LOTS of other people available whom we can put on the air. See ya!"
A few strong doses of that and I'd bet they'd start coming around. And worse case scenario? Maybe we'd get a few more Dems and liberals and progressives on, and a little more GENUINELY fair and balanced coverage, instead. OTHER voices would get exposure, and OTHER faces would get face time, for a change. Sounds like an all-around win to me.
snot
(10,530 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)She b-e-g-s Republicans to be on her show, but, because they can't get away with lying, there are few takers.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)It is HE that has the power...if he don't want to give his talking point there are plenty others that would love to take a shot...it is THEY that need the platform.
That is all we are getting nowadays, phony excuses that we are supposed to accept.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)WillTwain
(1,489 posts)Todd got a little flustered when the guests mentioned that they take scripts from political groups.
Trekologer
(997 posts)but they declined."
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)And say Bye Bye to the 4th branch of the government...........If it ever really existed in the first place
Duval
(4,280 posts)certainly did better than the last decade!
Paladin
(28,265 posts)You talent-free little chickenshit.
project_bluebook
(411 posts)Why don't they do the empty chair routine when they don't show up and ask the chair the important questions.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)gordianot
(15,242 posts)It is obvious there is no longer a Press to meet. If Chuckie is afraid of his guests sensibilities and ability to lie then get the press that is not afraid confront lies, return to the original format. It all comes down to fear by authoritarians unwilling to be confronted by truth. So they boycott any situation they are opposed by facts.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)if he knows they lie, why give them a microphone to lie to the entire nation? Isn't it beneficial for all of us not to be lied to? Just don't invite the liars on your show, Chuckie, and it's a win-win for all of us! What do we have to lose if they don't return to lie some more?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Allowing obvious lying just so they will show up is insane. Does he really think the public wants to hear lie after lie form them same moron every time they comes on the show? The american people want honesty, not a bunch of lying. If they want to hear nothing but lies let them watch fox news!
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)All these replies seem to be missing the fact that the author of the piece, Jason Easley, made up the headline... i.e. Todd did not say anything about reacting to lies. Easley does that kind of thing a lot, he's a terrible columnist, fabricating facts to create clickbait. There is a good point to be made that hosts may go easy on guests in order to maintain access (and it's a point that has been made before). But Todd did not actually defend not challenging lies in this clip.
BumRushDaShow
(129,139 posts)that was plainly heard near the end of the clip - the back and forth about "barking" (basically calling out anything the host found inconsistent, confusing, or untruthful) and acknowledgement that the comedians would do such as a standard practice vs the horrible horrible threat of losing a guest if a purported "journalist" did the same.
The bullshit from Schmuck's mouth that essentially misuses the concept of "balance" by basically indicating that a lie should be allowed to stand in order to achieve "balance" (because the liar's poor widdle feelings would get hurt and he would take his ball and go home), thereby relinquishing the so-called "4th estate's" original role, only underscores how far they have fallen into propaganda peddling.
Gman
(24,780 posts)of putting on lying Republicans because they are good for ratings which increases shareholder wealth.
avebury
(10,952 posts)if he didnt, politicians (Republicans) would refuse to be on his show."
And how is that a problem? If the main stream media held fast and called them on their lies so what if they don't come on their shows.
Sooner or later the Republicans will come to realize that the only ones that they have hurt is themselves.
In the mean time people like Chuck Todd and the FOX crowd gain no respect from people who actually are capable of thinking.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)We know he's not going to last in this position, so why doesn't he do us all a favor and resign now while he might be able to fake a shred of dignity for his resume.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Because plainly, he's 'circling the pan' as they say....
Fla Dem
(23,693 posts)for the disenfranchisement of the public with gov't . Thanks.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)He thinks he is a journalist when he is just a toddy suck ass boot licker. I won't watch Meet the Press and when he comes on MSNBC I turn off the TV. Nothing more than an a corporate shill.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)If they don't want to tell the truth when they come on television, then perhaps they don't deserve an outlet in the media.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Discuss the fart, and have the guest fart into the camera for discussion.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)If his guests are lying, who wants to watch? Which numbers does he want? One guest or thousands of viewers?
SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)it's called "journalism". Look it up.
ZX86
(1,428 posts)There's no shortage of barking mad, poo flinging, Republicans willing to show up to promote any wild eyed conspiracy theory the voices in their head have commanded them to repeat. They'd be happy to appear week after week to babble their opinions on illegitimate rape, FEMA camps, death panels, Mexicans with calves the size of cantaloupes, vaginal wanding, rectal feeding, you name it. All MTP needs to is say is "Senator X couldn't make it today so representing the Republican position for twelve weeks straight are Congresspersons Gohmert, Bachman, and King" (doesn't matter which one).
Chuck's only concern is he'll lose access to the rich and powerful, DC, cocktail party circuit Republicans.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)They know that they need a soap box or they are completely irrelevant, so they will still show up. And if they don't, that can also be reported---"our discussion today is _____. We invited Sen. X, but he has refused to come on to give his side of the controversy." It would not take long before they would be shamed into showing up, or better yet, no one will hear their side.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)There was a time when they crafted language to try to sell unpopular ideas to Liberals.
Newt came out with his "word list" and won control of Congress using negative campaigns and now all those "Think" Tanks spend the whole of their efforts attacking the very people they were trying to court.
Fast forward and you have Republicans now believing all of their own spin and a new generation RAISED on lies. Further, they have become a cult firmly convinced of their version of reality and they actually have deluded themselves into the belief that their FAITH can mold reality by the sheer power of their awesome and superior will.
Keep in mind that American Conservatives once had dreams of going global. Maggie in the UK was only one example. Now they spend their entire effort trying to keep themselves convinced and they're losing influence as their last remaining demographic ages and dies off. Long gone are the days of the ambitious "dynamic young man" who proudly called themselves "dittoheads".
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)I am in my late 40s.
I had my political awakening during the early/mid 90s, and was absolutely mystified at the people around me, decent and smart, who were completely in the mental grasp of Rush Limbaugh.
And, during the 90s, they did in fact make a VERY STRONG effort to package their bullshit into SOME kind of veneer of legitimacy - they crowed about the constitution and had some well crafted rationale to backup their positions.
Today, they have reversed positions so many times they don't even really know what they "stand for" and it is just wake up in the morning, figure out what everyone is screaming about and scream about it, even if it completely contradicts what they were screaming about the day before.
And, yes, the Ryans, the Rand Pauls ... These guys now know the utter bullshit the republicans have been spewing for decades as REALITY.
That said, the country I see around me ... People are so distracted and comfortable, they believe in the evil liberal boogyman, regardless of how senseless that narrative is - be it the PC thing, be it the welfare thing, be it immigration ...
SO, they have learned, scream loud and hard, have a boogyman to demonize and the sheeple will go along with what they are selling 50+ percent of the time.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....when they turned a disaster into a God.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You should be replaced with a plant.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)recognize and reject the deception you are allowing to be perpetrated. The intelligent stop trusting you.
Jon Stewart reveals the truth by exaggerating falsehoods in such an obvious manner that viewers see the deception (unless they are really stupid, and many conservatives are really stupid).
Moliere's comic shtick was to, for example, portray such an extreme miser that everyone recognized the elemental characteristics of the miser and could then recognize those traits not just in others but maybe, hopefully in themselves.
That's what Jon Stewart and Black do. They take an obvious lie that is being pushed off on Americans, blow it up, exaggerate it so that we can see its components very clearly. There humor or satire is like a magnifying glass focused on the political lies and liars of our time.
Their humor works only because they enlarge some sort of lie -- a conceit, that is some belief we have about ourselves that is flattering but not honest -- an outright falsehood that we are being persuaded to believe.
Chuck Todd, in allowing lies to be told on his show by people who impress him as being very important, is hiding the truth, allowing falsehoods to be passed off as truth. People are sick of it. That's why we are cynical.
Jon Stewart joins the cynicism that is in us already and serves it up for all to see. He presents the falsehoods in such exaggerated form that their falseness becomes obvious -- clear. Watching him is relief. "Ahh-- we say, here is someone who understands why we feel so disillusioned, so cynical. Here is someone in sync with us. Here is someone we can like and trust." We watch Jon Stewart and Black because we get a feeling of relief from watching someone express the cynicism that the dishonesty of mainstream media elicits in us.
If Chuck Todd, our politicians and our other media started presenting the truth, examining the statements of politicians more critically, sure, the politicians would not appear on their shows, would not be showcased, would not be seen by the public, would lose name recognition, become less popular, lose elections. Would that be a bad thing? Who knows?
Maybe some of the dishonest crowd that now predominate on Chuck Todd's show would become less influential, would lose elections?
Wouldn't that be great? Imagine an America in which politicians had to tell the truth to get elected. Wow! I sigh in relief at the thought of it. Whoopee!
How about that, Chuck Todd? You've got the power. Why don't you try to shake some of the scum that you present on your show out of politics? Don't you think the nation would gain if you do?
The frustration on the part of "serious" (meaning lying or complicit in the lies of others scumbag) "journalists" like Chuck Todd with Jon Stewart is that Jon Stewart is doing what they should be doing, and they know it.
Jon Stewart shines the line of ridicule on the ridiculous lies that the mainstream media including Chuch Todd and corporations are trying to sell us.
Go, Jon Stewart, Go. You are doing your job. When you are no longer needed, your ratings will go way, way down. But don't worry. The truth never wins out completely. Satire is always needed. Especially at times like ours when great change is coming but is still just a speck on the distant horizon.
Moliere helped sow the seeds that eventually brought down the do-nothing but fight wars phony French aristocracy. And he did it with ridicule. He reflected the justified cynicism of his time. He pretended to ridicule the rising middle class, but his real targets were the established fat-cats fo his time. He won at least to some extent, never completely. Eventually. It took time. But eventually, women were not married off to boring old men and were allowed to choose their life's mate.
And Chuck Todd -- be ashamed. Be very ashamed. You are not a journalist. You are a patsy. Straighten your back and do what is right and not what is easy. For a change. You have surely made enough money by now that you can afford to be honest and to demand honesty from those you place in the center stage of American life by interviewing them on your show.
Mike Nelson
(9,960 posts)HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE.
Cha
(297,323 posts)Book someone else.. you never being able to think outside the box person.
chuck todd is the disease.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)if you just want an audience of idiots.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)All the consumers jump on the media bandwagon and sing the same tune. Same as the right did with Rather, Donohue, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. It's interesting that Todd felt he should answer to Black in an honest way.
Does show what he and the most of them are really about. Without character and seeking the buck above all.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Botany
(70,522 posts)Oh I knew that would get taken out of context. Shocking.
Chuck Todd
NBC News
4lbs
(6,858 posts)called upon their lies, then don't have them on. Put only truth-telling Democrats on.
Then when the Republicans complain, tell them they can't have it both ways.
If you want to be on the show, tell the truth. Otherwise, kick rocks (read: piss off!)
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Blue Owl
(50,436 posts)n/t
mackerel
(4,412 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)First of all the press was created by the 1st Amendment. Why was the 1st Amendment on freedom of the press written? To prevent government officials from lying to the press by removing any retaliation prospects. Look how well the freedom of the press worked during the Nixon administration. That was the golden era of the press. But with corporate owned media the retaliation prospects were put back on the table. The money interests can force the government to withhold contracts with the parent companies in retaliation. And the further we move into an oligarchy nation the harder it will be to reverse what Chuck Todd and others practice.
StevePaulson
(174 posts)I don't appreciate lying pieces of poop lying in my face on my tv Chuckie. I don't watch Fox Lies, and I don't think there is one single thing the Republican Party truly stands for that doesn't make me want to vomit.
Russert always asked follow up questions, because he did his homework, and knew what lies they were going to tell about the interview subject.
If the lying Republicans won't come on your show, because you challenge their lies, then
invite Democrats, or independents. Republican scum can babble their tripe to the Fox geriatric crowd. The dementia crowd. The brain dead / wet brain up is down crowd.
I can't stand liars, and bs talking points.
Republicans telling me trickle down worked, doesn't mean it worked for anyone but the .01%.
Sorry Chuckie. You suck.
aspirant
(3,533 posts)Good, then start booking EW, Bernie,HRC.Grayson,NYC Mayor,Sherrod Brown etc. on a regular basis.
Let's start getting our 2016 message out now and see how long the repubs stand on the sidelines.
Free campaign ads, isn't that Faux News political agenda?
Madmiddle
(459 posts)Republicans can't stand the heat. Media can't bring the heat so what we get is what they hand us.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and still not shit on himself.
I hope after this his ratings plummet even further so they will fire him from the network. Maybe he can become a televangelist or a roadside barker. No, what am I talking about. He isn't qualified for those jobs either.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)eom
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I will say, having had RWers on my show like Dick Armey and Pat Buchanan and various others, you don't have to be an asshole to challenge them. There is a lot of room in between asshole and total pushover.
I am still exploring that room myself, but at the very least, you have to ask some probing/leading questions that put the person on the spot.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Biting the hand that feeds you is never a good career path for those more concerned with money than being a decent human being or honoring the sacrifices of those who came before you.
Bearing false witness is the MO of virtually every person in mainstream journalism today. Honestly, they do it so much I don't think they even notice it anymore.
Paladin
(28,265 posts)I didn't think that was possible. Keep up the awful work, Chuckster......
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Chuck Turd! What a weasel.
father founding
(619 posts)What is corporate a euphemism for ?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Evergreen Emerald
(13,069 posts)He mentioned it during one of his shows that he had been threatened--and he did tone down confrontations against republicans.
I notice that both Tweety and Chucky do not hold back when confronting democrats.
StevePaulson
(174 posts)Now let them lie to her....
Good luck with that.
Having Rachel do MTP would spike their ratings.
Republicans are scared shitless of her too.
Rachel is about the only thing even resembling press these days.
They will call her partisan. You know, when you only say things
that are true, and you correct your mistakes, that makes you
a partisan. If you are a lying pos then you can be "neutral" and
let the lies go unchallenged.
Sorry to break it to you. Reality has a liberal bias.
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