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elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 11:43 AM Dec 2014

Chuk Tod: The surge in political satire/comedy is making Americans more cynical


Okay Fuknuckle here's the deal: There is no "surge" in political comedy. Not since the 10th century, anyway. Idiot.

Cynicism is what creates political satire. You have that backwards. Idiot.



This narrative is being pushed today by our fascistic media. They are apparently going full-out Nazi playbook now.
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Chuk Tod: The surge in political satire/comedy is making Americans more cynical (Original Post) elehhhhna Dec 2014 OP
chuck is comedy gold. spanone Dec 2014 #1
talk about someone begging to be made the butt of jokes rurallib Dec 2014 #4
Wow BeyondGeography Dec 2014 #2
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 2014 #3
Or Abe Lincoln Botany Dec 2014 #15
Or Benjamin Franklin. cyberswede Dec 2014 #19
Or Winston Churchill Botany Dec 2014 #26
or the Caesars elehhhhna Dec 2014 #39
I honestly think Todd takes offense at the satire, we don't take him seriously..Bwahahaha, seriously monmouth4 Dec 2014 #5
Not being told the whole truth CJCRANE Dec 2014 #6
Has this shithead ever examined an actual POLICY for its mechanisms and consequences? alcibiades_mystery Dec 2014 #7
Trying to take a shot at Jon Stewart RandiFan1290 Dec 2014 #8
He's angry because Jon Stewart is 100X better at his job than Chuckie Toad. Boomerproud Dec 2014 #42
Full blown propganda to push the last remaining major political obstacle out of the way....Obama. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #9
No toad it is news people like you that destroy trust and makes us cynical. jwirr Dec 2014 #10
More and more people realize that political reporting is bullshit tularetom Dec 2014 #11
That is because we no longer have political reporting, we have propaganda instead. Dustlawyer Dec 2014 #32
Why can't this dolt just stick to reading the news? notadmblnd Dec 2014 #12
Indeed. ChazInAz Dec 2014 #20
I think that is the news they want him to read. zeemike Dec 2014 #31
Well, I can't say I disagree there notadmblnd Dec 2014 #33
What an odd view. Marr Dec 2014 #13
i see a creepy new propaganda assault: elehhhhna Dec 2014 #40
AS one of the foremost practitioners, I will take him at this word Doctor_J Dec 2014 #14
maybe he was being sarcastic? corkhead Dec 2014 #16
no. he then tried to cajole guests into admitting they had some elehhhhna Dec 2014 #41
Mr Todd makes me want to up-chuck. marble falls Dec 2014 #17
Wow. He's stupider than I thought bluestateguy Dec 2014 #18
There is no 'surge' - it's just getting MORE POPULAR then EVER you IDIOT ! ! vkkv Dec 2014 #21
Fuknuckle indeed. Best description of the Toad everrrrrr! mountain grammy Dec 2014 #22
I prefer to call it realism in a cynical situation n/t sarge43 Dec 2014 #23
You can't be too cynical, it's never enough. nt bemildred Dec 2014 #24
:-) "No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2014 #27
No Chuck. We are cynical because of charlatan 'journalists' like you. Avalux Dec 2014 #25
would have said the cynicism arose from the failure of democracy to protect against the PTB on point Dec 2014 #28
our democracy didnt fail. it was overthrown i think elehhhhna Dec 2014 #43
How about network news ebbie15644 Dec 2014 #29
He's just out of his depth. In way over his head as a commentator. Demit Dec 2014 #30
Ahah! Is he including himself in the list of contributors to the surge? Helen Borg Dec 2014 #34
Chuk will always tell you what They® want you to think. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #35
Please tell me your source is The Onion? Nevernose Dec 2014 #36
nope. elehhhhna Dec 2014 #44
Fake news shows like The Daily Show produce better informed viewers than NBC nightly news. pa28 Dec 2014 #37
Excellent observation in the OP Populist_Prole Dec 2014 #38
Is it just me.... BronxBoy Dec 2014 #45
Upchuck Toad regurgitates more of whatever he's full of. randome Dec 2014 #46
Does he think... bobclark86 Dec 2014 #47

Botany

(70,523 posts)
15. Or Abe Lincoln
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:01 PM
Dec 2014

"Cameron is so corrupt, the only thing he wouldn't steal is a red-hot stove." Abe Lincoln

or Will Rodgers

Chuck is a joke and he knows it too.

Botany

(70,523 posts)
26. Or Winston Churchill
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:45 PM
Dec 2014

A modest man, who has much to be modest about
On Clement Atlee .... Churchill

Chuck Todd knows he is a joke and a republican tool.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
7. Has this shithead ever examined an actual POLICY for its mechanisms and consequences?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:07 PM
Dec 2014

What makes us cynical is the reduction of politics to a stupid sports-like contest, an operation at which Chuck Todd excels. Indeed, he knows nothing else. So, instead of seeing politics as a collective effort to build a good society ("Haha!," laugh the very media people who accuse US of cynicism, "how very utopian and trite!&quot , we are "delivered" politics as horserace, as football game, as utter nonsense disconnected from our concrete lives.

Chuck Todd is the very face of that operation.

How fucking dare he accuse people of cynicism. He operates the greatest cynicism machine in human history!

Boomerproud

(7,957 posts)
42. He's angry because Jon Stewart is 100X better at his job than Chuckie Toad.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:16 PM
Dec 2014

BTW Chuckles, the only way to cope with these clowns that are elected is to laugh at them.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Full blown propganda to push the last remaining major political obstacle out of the way....Obama.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:11 PM
Dec 2014

His infamous ".... not our job to find out the lies" made fascists throughout the world befriend him by the fascist thousands.

You are the fucking problem...YOU, the cynicism comes from failing to separate facts from fantasy and debating them equally and endlessly.

Fucking Gulliani on race relations??

Bundy Ranch armed rebellion openly calling for death to police resulting in actual directly related death to police..... ignored.....but they can so easily directly connect Deblasio and peaceful protestors as somehow inciting police deaths....fucking media.


Protestors are protesting in some wrong places, go to the source of the problem....the fucking media.


tularetom

(23,664 posts)
11. More and more people realize that political reporting is bullshit
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:35 PM
Dec 2014

Policy is never considered, except when it might be a factor in an election ("Is Obama's position on immigration good for the Democratic party's chances in 2016?&quot .

It's not so different from the WWE, except less entertaining. And Chunk Turd is the poster boy for it.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
32. That is because we no longer have political reporting, we have propaganda instead.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:34 PM
Dec 2014

The 6 media companies and the Wall Street banks are oligopolies, highly detrimental to our country, and should be broken up. They would have never been allowed to get so big and powerful if our political leaders were not owned by the big Donors who buy them.
It amazes me that we sit still and allow this to go on right under our noses. The Plutocrats have defanged every regulatory agency by cutting their budgets and hiring them in a revolving door that makes them well compensated for selling us out. The big banks even give the Banksters departing for government service, huge bonuses just prior to leaving, and welcome them back as CEO of this or that bank.
The FCC has not been asleep at the wheel, that would give the impression that they didn't know what was going on. Obama is owned as well, just look at his appointment to head the FCC, as well as all of his Wall Street appointments. Even his Justice Department will not touch them, oh wait, Eric Holder came from a law firm that represents the Wall Street banks.
Most people know Washington politicians are corrupted, yet we talk of electing more Democrats to solve the problem. The problem is campaign contributions, which the Plutocrats have just had their people pass a law to enable them to give even more money to bribe the politicians. This will allow them to run over those very few, pesky, honest ones that cause them problems, like Elizebeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
12. Why can't this dolt just stick to reading the news?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

He just sounds stupid when he tries to make the news. Political satire has been with us always. Hell there is political satire posted in caves in Egypt about the Pharaohs hundreds of years ago. No damn such thing as a surge in political comedy, Chucky.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
31. I think that is the news they want him to read.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

Those talking heads are paid well to do just that.

Let's face it, their viewership is going down and people are getting their political commentary from Jon Stewart not MTP...the competition must be destroyed or bought out.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
13. What an odd view.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 12:54 PM
Dec 2014

Popular media doesn't create public attitude, it reflects the public attitude.

I haven't seen any numbers of the 'increase in cynicism', but if it has in fact been on the rise, I'd say it's at least a healthy response to a very malignant reality. Our political reality could inspire nothing but cynicism, and it's been increasingly obvious over the last 15 years or so. The whole Iraq debacle alone (and the corporate media's role in it) ought to have been enough to make this a nation of cynics all on its own.

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
40. i see a creepy new propaganda assault:
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:12 PM
Dec 2014

- Satire makes us cynical
-Peaceful protest makes us snap and shoot Leo's

...next stop no satire, no protests, because freedom

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
41. no. he then tried to cajole guests into admitting they had some
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 05:15 PM
Dec 2014

Responsibility for the New Cynicism. No dice.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
18. Wow. He's stupider than I thought
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:19 PM
Dec 2014

For someone with a political science background like Chuck Todd, he ought to know better. Hard hitting satire and incredibly nasty political cartoons go back to the days of the Federalists and the Democratic-Republicans.

He's a good number cruncher (polls, election data, etc.), but that's about it.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
21. There is no 'surge' - it's just getting MORE POPULAR then EVER you IDIOT ! !
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:26 PM
Dec 2014

Cuz, cable "news" sucks - and everyone knows this.

Friends don't let friends vote Republican - or drive DRUNK.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,842 posts)
27. :-) "No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up." - Lily Tomlin
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:50 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe there's a tshirt with that on it we could send to him.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
25. No Chuck. We are cynical because of charlatan 'journalists' like you.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:39 PM
Dec 2014

You who gets paid to administer propaganda handed down by your masters instead of disseminating information for the purpose of keeping the population informed. We know exactly what you and your ilk are all about yet you continue the charade.

You think we are stupid.

That's what causes cynicism.

on point

(2,506 posts)
28. would have said the cynicism arose from the failure of democracy to protect against the PTB
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 01:58 PM
Dec 2014

and to deliver justice for those taken advantage of by it. A democratic system that has become nothing but a fig leaf for theft and oppression over the masses by the few

But no, poking fun at that oppression is the source of cynicism!?

ebbie15644

(1,215 posts)
29. How about network news
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:24 PM
Dec 2014

inability to actually do the news is what is making people cynical?? When you basically admit that you are there just to be a steno and not report the actual facts, that makes people cynical.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
30. He's just out of his depth. In way over his head as a commentator.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:28 PM
Dec 2014

I don't know if he signed a multiyear contract, but I can't see it being renewed. He's really risen to his level of incompetence, for everyone to see.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
36. Please tell me your source is The Onion?
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:40 PM
Dec 2014

Because the irony of Chuck Todd blaming cynicism on the cynics instead of whom they're being cynical of is batshit crazy.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
37. Fake news shows like The Daily Show produce better informed viewers than NBC nightly news.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 02:47 PM
Dec 2014

Perhaps the fact we are being fed propaganda in place of news by the networks has something to do with our cynicism.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
45. Is it just me....
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 06:53 PM
Dec 2014

Or did this jerk just paint a big bright target on his forehead?

Shouldn't miss with comics

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
46. Upchuck Toad regurgitates more of whatever he's full of.
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:03 PM
Dec 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
47. Does he think...
Sun Dec 28, 2014, 07:05 PM
Dec 2014

Jonathan Swift was serious when he said the Brits should sell off Irish children for the meat market?

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