Guns don't kill cops...

[kentuck]

Crazy people with guns kill cops.

So what's the solution?

We can always blame marchers and protesters and the rest of America. If they didn't complain about police brutality, this might never have happened??

Is it really so complicated?

[NYC_SKP]

1. You said it, kentuck... We are so headed in the wrong direction.

Crazy cops, craziness in the news, crazy reactions, crazy times.

Crazy times we live in, no "time outs" will fix this mess.

[PDJane]

2. I will point out that all this would happen without protests.

In fact, it would continue to happen with more frequency.

The solution is mass action. Protests, letters to the editor, marches and civil disobedience. The US is marching quick time down the road to fascism, and since a majority of the population thinks that abusing people for an end is OK, stopping police brutality, and torture and putting a cramp in the military industrial prison complex is going to be tough to do.

That's what happens when you accept that treating people with no respect is OK.

[SamKnause]

3. Scares the hell out of me.

I've been predicting it for quite some time.

This country will not survive the current two tier justice system.

The law applies to all, or it applies to none.

The pro torture crowd is terrifying.

The police can do no wrong crowd is terrifying.

The Theocracy pushers are terrifying.

The whole damn situation is fucking terrifying.

[kentuck]

5. The people should not fear the cops...

If anything, cops should fear the people. Just as they are a part of government, people should not fear their government, government should fear its people. It's a basic premise of freedom.

[SamKnause]

6. Citizens shouldn't fear

one another either, but that is exactly what is happening in this country.

Pro torture people are scary.

Pro the police can do no wrong are scary.

The pro Theocracy crowd is scary.

The out of control police are scary.

The penal system is brutal and terrifying.

The CIA is a rogue agency out of control.

The justice system is atrocious.

Our government continues to protect the interests of the corporations.

Wall Street is untouchable.

The banks are bigger with even more power.

Ex President and Ex Vice President stating on TV and in books they support torture and would use it again in a second.

Fox 'News' keeping the lunatic fringe in a frenzy.

The whole damn country is a powder keg.

[PDJane]

7. I personally think that JFK's assassination had a lot to do with the CIA;

He wanted to 'break them into pieces and scatter them,' remember? He was onto something.

[SamKnause]

8. I'm aware.

[kentuck]

10. So true. And the very long list can be corrected by our Constitution.

At least, if people chose to adhere to our Constitution.

People are scared of many things. But the Preamble to the Constitution should give pause to those that would usurp the power granted to the people under the laws of our Constitution.

The people have to control their police forces and their military. Otherwise, the people have lost their freedom. Simple as that.

http://constitutionus.com/

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Last year's big cop kiler was in fact a cop, Chistopher Dorner. Killed some wounded a few and other

cops shot innocent bystanders that looked nothing like him out of sheer shit stained panic. They did not seek to blame outside forces when those forces were themselves.

[kelliekat44]

9. Yes, relations between the races has gotten worse since Obama was elected President.

But it isn't because Obama caused it. Ever since he was elected and first disrespectful scream of "You lie!" from the bigoted mouth of a Congressman at the first State of the Union address. The inflamed rhetoric from the media pundits like Rush and Hannity and FOX "News" accusing the President of not being a citizen, screaming for his birth certificate, and the rest of the hateful stuff that has publicly confronted this President and the seemingly luke warm efforts by the his own party..all have made it much more comfortable for the racists to rear their ugly heads in relative safety from challenge. Police like judges and the rest of the justice system sense unbelievable permission from the citizenry to carry on with their institutionalized racists behaviors.

[kentuck]

11. And if we notice...

..."establish justice, and "insure domestic tranquility" come before, "provide for the common defence"??

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,

[PaulBrown]

12. guns

The weapon lobby is too powerful and making too much money for guns to be forbidden. It'll never happen.

[kentuck]

13. They don't have to be forbidden...

That might be the wish of many but for many others, it is not.

But there should be a middle ground on which both sides might agree?

Can we agree that we do not want guns in the hands of unstable people?

If we can agree to that, then how do we keep them out of those hands? Isn't that what we should be debating??

[PDJane]

14. The trouble is that so many people are stable.....until they aren't

And there is no way to tell when they are going to snap. Right now, the last statistics I saw found that there are more and more guns in fewer and fewer hands, and removing guns from this lot might mean really taking them from their cold, dead hands.

As long as the second amendment exists, and the interpretation of the second amendment exists as it is, the US will become a more and more violent place. And yes, sooner or later those guns will be turned on the government. This are bound to get bloody when you combine religiosity, nationalism, and guns. What did anyone expect?

[rustydog]

16. It is so sad there is so much violence in America

It is SICKENING that Wayne LaPierre insists the ONLY answer for a bad guy with a gun is a good buy with a gun...Well Wayne, It had to hurt when you pulled that out of your ass because two armed officers did not stop the bad guy!!! Your arguments and reasoning is flawed beyond reason.

A simplistic, jingoistic response to tragedy is your stock in trade. It does not help this Nation trying to curb unnecessary, insane gun violence one bit.