There is nothing more pathetic than a bunch of white bourgie liberals spouting anti-police sentiment

[shaayecanaan]

The fact that you wore a "fuck tha police" t-shirt to high school in the 90s along with all the other preppy suburbanites and that you got all huffy when they made you turn it inside out does not change the fact that your parents would have rung the police the minute a homeless guy fell asleep in your flowerbed.

Similarly your oh-so-edgy statements about police "reaping what they sow" does not change the fact that you would shit in your skinny black jeans the moment the police were not there to stop your hipster barista arse from being soundly whipped.

The police are the predominantly working class schlubs who are charged with keeping some kind of lid on the social problems that we have today, most of which (poverty, homelessness, unemployment) they had no hand in creating. Even the best policing in the world is not going to fundamentally solve those sorts of problems.

Personally, I think it would be a hard-as-fuck job policing a lot of communities in the US, and I'm glad its not me doing it.

[nomorenomore08]

1. Yeah, it's a hard job. Who cares if they kill a few folks who didn't do anything to deserve it?

[840high]

84. Who cares when 2 cops

were killed yesterday?

[nomorenomore08]

87. I don't think either is right. Treating the two murdered officers as the victims they are

doesn't preclude condemning killings by police as well.

[Demsrule86]

125. True

But the blame lies with the killer and with cops who codone unarmed racially motivated killings...how about those cops wearing I can breathe t's? How about the Ferguson prosecutor who admitted to suborning perjury...people need a justice system that works for all and ours is broken.

[Voice for Peace]

154. ++

[nomorenomore08]

160. Absolutely. I second all of that.

[uponit7771]

157. Yeah, those cops have a long history of being killed with no accountability of the killer.. (no..

... no they don't, just in case you're just getting into this issue)

[Red State Rebel]

146. You say "they" like every LEO has killed someone in the line of duty. Very few ever encounter that.

[nomorenomore08]

161. I know the great majority never kill anyone. It just pisses me off when people act like the hazards

involved with the job, somehow justify killing folks under questionable circumstances.

There are something like a dozen occupations with higher death rates than law enforcement. Yet no one suggests that loggers or deep-sea fisherman should get a freebie kill every now and then.

[olddots]

2. are you talkin to me ? are you talkin to me ?

[Fred Sanders]

3. Way to much simplistic leaps to set in stone judgments and not enough dialogue and solutions.

What othe police force has to deal with such a heavily armed citizenry they protect and serve?

And what other nation has roaming bands of heavily armed militia patrolling around like military wannabes goaded on by a Major news network?

Tough job indeed.

[XemaSab]

29. You ever been to Mexico?

Do they even differentiate between the police and the military there?

[alphafemale]

34. Differentiate between the police and the cartels.

Killing busloads of kids now.

[Fred Sanders]

57. The leaps of logic and false parallels is astounding with some folks, they are amusing.

[XemaSab]

79. Which is my point exactly

Yes, we're heading in a horrible direction, but I was answering "what other nation has roaming bands of heavily armed militia patrolling around like military wannabes?"

Mexico.

[truebluegreen]

48. Have you?

Just curious.

[XemaSab]

80. Yeah, once

I was taking a bus between San Cristobal and Chiapas when out in the middle of nowhere a bunch of policemen with assault rifles made us get off the bus and they ran all our stuff through a metal detector and searched some bags.

It really made me appreciate our eroding rights in this country.

[Jesus Malverde]

106. Almost all the towns have police control points leading into and out of town.

The also have these massive speed bumps on the highways that appear out of nowhere.

http://www.ontheroadin.com/Mexico%20Trip%20Planning%20and%20Info%202011/Miltary%20Police%20checkpoints.htm

They are looking for drugs, guns and ironic from the american point of view illegal aliens. Mexicans don't let people without visas run around like nothing.

Watch what happened to one Australian woman.

Australian woman detained in Mexico after holiday
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-27/australian-woman-detained-in-mexico-after-holiday/5843354

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2808742/Mother-Australian-woman-trapped-Mexican-detention-centre-visiting-country-without-visa-says-daughter-moved-country-s-capital-afraid-happen-next.html

http://www.smh.com.au/national/kylie-bretag-returns-home-to-canberra-after-being-freed-from-mexican-jail-20141103-11gie9.html

[truebluegreen]

120. For the record, the speed bumps are there to enforce the speed limits

which are otherwise universally ignored. In Mexico, the speed limit is "however fast your vehicle will go."

And while many towns may have police control points leading in and out, they are generally not manned unless they are looking for something in particular, or, like now, Christmas is coming.

[lunasun]

137. Look what happens to protestors in Mexico too

[a la izquierda]

52. They do.

Just depends on where you are.

[Jesus Malverde]

105. Yes they do, there are municipal, federal police and soldiers.

All in the mix.

They are all seen as having various levels of corruption.

[JI7]

4. the protests were mixed with many classes, what do you think of what happened

to eric garner and michael brown ?

[R B Garr]

5. I've mostly seen people who just want accountability.

Every one else is accountable for their actions; why not them?

[Cha]

6. Fuck the police who kill innocent Black PEOPle... fUCK tHEM. We know the difference.

[nomorenomore08]

10. True. Even if it's getting harder and harder to make that distinction, for some of us.

[steve2470]

16. +1 nt

[Boreal]

32. What about the police who kill

Innocent Hispanics, white, Native American (etc) and helpless dogs? Are they okay?

[Cha]

33. You know they're not.

[uppityperson]

66. why does someone always have to do this?

[hopemountain]

75. because cops killing innocent people of color all over america

- especially in rural and suburban areas is also pervasive and should not be ignored, either.
hotheaded bigoted cops are not just a problem in cities with african american neighborhoods. but, the spotlight right now is on racism against african americans ~ so hopefully, if we can heal one form of racism and bigotry - the remaining will also be healed.

[bravenak]

151. Fuck them too!

[JonLP24]

7. Wow

How many assumptions?

[LiberalElite]

12. Many -

but s/he wouldn't want to be judged, I'm sure. Then again, I'm probably one of those white bourgie liberals according to them so what would I know?

[nomorenomore08]

13. I lost count a while ago...

[LiberalElite]

8. So you would rather the

"white bourgie liberals" not get involved in any way because you don't like them?

[Iggo]

116. There is a tendency to want to take white people out of the fight to make it a black vs white thing

...insted of a out-of-control-cops vs the-rest-of-us thing.

I don't look favorably on people who try to do that.

[Marr]

9. Who are you talking to?

I don't know anyone who fits your description of a 'bourgie liberal'.

So it burns you up when white people don't quietly support police abuses. That's not uncommon. New York police seem to be fuming about the same thing; interpreting Bill de Blasio's acknowledgment of the police abuses too betrayal.

[nomorenomore08]

14. Good question. I probably fit the OP's description in some ways, but I've never trusted the cops

to "serve and protect" even my white ass. Less so when I lived in West Oakland for a few years.

[ecstatic]

11. FU to anyone suggesting that I should stay silent

about police brutality and the killing of unarmed citizens.

[Warpy]

15. There was a police riot in my neighborhood in Boston

so I think I'm qualified, white skin and all, to look at some of them askance.

However, it's not a blanket hate of the cops. I got to know a lot of the local guys when they got stuck guarding bad guys in the hospital. Most of them are good guys doing a tough job where they routinely see people at their worst.

Since the Feds came down hard on the local department for its murder rate, there have been some reforms and one cop got dismissed for having his lapel camera stop working at convenient times including one shooting. They're back to talking crazy people down instead of shooting them just to get it over with. All these things are good things.

What I want to see is drug testing any cop who is suspected of overreacting to check for steroid abuse. I saw enough steroid cases around here to be very suspicious of no-neck musclebound cops who are also sporting beer guts, indicating more time in the bars than at the gym. Those are also the guys who tend to flip out on people. I want any cop with dirty urine to be fired, just like nurses were, unless they also go through strict rehab programs with weekly pee tests.

It's not a hell of a lot to ask and it would likely reduce the number of cops who lose it during an arrest. Nothing will stop it completely because, let's face it, some of us are royal pains in the ass who give them as hard a time as possible. However, slowing it down will do a great deal to restore Officer Friendly to his former position as someone who protects and serves instead of a self appointed judge, jury and executioner.

[reddread]

28. Didnt expect to see such a nice pearl

under such a POS OP.

[KingCharlemagne]

37. To your list of eminently sensible proposals, I would add that any officer-involved shooting that

results in death or injury to a civilian must be investigated by a prosecutor\investigator from outside the area who has no ties to local law enforcement. This will remove the "McCulloch Effect" and help restore minority trust in policing.

[PDJane]

55. A civilian. Not a cop, not a military man. Civilians to investigate all shootings.

You use your gun, you get investigated by civilians, you get tested, and you are investigated.

[hopemountain]

69. and any murders or beatings of minors by cops, too -

whether or not they are armed and whether or not they outsize the cop.
and any murders or beatings by cop of unarmed mentally ill persons - male or female.

[nomorenomore08]

70. Yes. All of this.

[nomorenomore08]

67. As usual, you swoop in to salvage the thread.

[Warpy]

95. Sorry about that

I'm sneaky.

[daleanime]

102. Good start, would also like to see....

accurate national data being keep, so we could actually know how bad this really is.

[A Little Weird]

17. Dangerous jobs

Police work isn't even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in this country. Should we not hold roofers (and others who hold a more dangerous job) accountable if they decide to take the law into their own hands?

[div class="excerpt"; background-color:#CCCCCC;"]
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10246908
Here are some occupations with higher fatality rates than being a cop:

Logging workers: 129.9
Fishers and related fishing workers: 120.8
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers: 54.3
Roofers: 42.2
Structural iron and steel workers: 37.0
Refuse and recyclable material collectors: 32.3
Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers: 24.3
Electrical power-line installers and repairers: 23.9
Farmers, ranchers and other agricultural managers: 22.8
Construction laborers: 17.8
Taxi drivers and chauffeurs: 16.2
[\div] [\blockquote]
Maintenance and repairs workers, general: 15.7

[shaayecanaan]

22. Fishing is twice as dangerous as being on active military service

but still, I didnt notice anyone at DU crying tears for the fisheries and forestry workers who were dying during the Iraq war.

I didnt notice Jim Lehrer solemnly commemorating each of those workers either, notwithstanding that they died so that we could have paper and fish.

[A Little Weird]

23. No

But I also didn't see anyone pretending they are above the law because their work is dangerous.

Cops have dangerous jobs - but they should be held accountable to the same rules as everyone else. I don't see why this is hard to understand.

[PDJane]

61. Cops don't have dangerous jobs when they aren't rage junkies. That's the problem.

And yeah, I've known more than a few. I've also known shitheads who rat on their informants, I've known cops who have informed me that pulling their gun on a brain-damaged junkie is 'job satisfaction,' I've seen cops escalate a problem when there was no need, I've seen them intimidate prostitutes....and yeah, cops don't want prostitution to be legal. I asked, several times, why not. The general answer is that then the cops can't lean on the women to rat out everyone around them, and they can't get free sex. When the G20 was here, the cops were completely out of control, chasing kids around the harbour in their big, black, boats, kettling protesters, going postal on old ladies and students, removing a man's prosthetic leg and refusing to give it back....and dragging him when he couldn't get up and walk.

Are there good cops? Yes. There are. They tend to either change their approach or get out. The more corrupt the department is, the more likely they are that the best of them move on.

The police should not be immune to their own actions. They are, but they shouldn't be. An OPP cop broke the leg of a good Samaritan who was trying to point him in the direction of a guy who had been beating a woman in the alley behind her workplace. He side kicked the women with a karate kick, sucker punched her in the eye, left her cut and bruised and with a badly damaged leg. He then arrested her, leaving her in the squad car, screaming in pain. Those charges were thrown out just recently, after a year of medical bills and lawyer's fees.

This assininity is spreading, you see. It's contagious. And it will cause a whole lot of hurt for the cops, eventually, who will be so mistrusted that they will not be able to do what they are hired to do. There will, sooner or later, be a resistance movement. It's inevitable.

[uppityperson]

71. Friends have died fishing and yes I have cried. A friends son died logging and our community

grieved. People I do not know personally die fishing and it saddens me. I am sorry if they are meaningless to you.

[Savannahmann]

18. PFUI!

I eschew your arguments. I reject them out of hand. I would have the post hidden if I state without reservation what I really think of it.

The police have created the environment of us versus them. Now they are reaping the results of that atmosphere. The results I am talking about is public anger and distrust. Demands for change, and reform. And what changes are people demanding? First, accountability. What an outragous demand, that the police be held accountable when they do something. The criminal justice system has no problem insisting that we the peons be held accountable but it's apparently too much to ask that law enforcement folks be held accountable. So much for Liberty and Justice for all.

What other changes? Cameras to show what the cop saw and did. How outragous is that? Why with that information we might double our calls for accountability.

I am heartened that more people from the suburbs and better neighborhoods are joining the calls. While this may be class treason to some, I see it as a good example of empathy with our fellow humans. I am proud to be one of those middle class whites you heap so much derision upon. I'm proud to stand with the disadvantaged and abused. You may be equally proud to stand with the oppressors and abusers. I don't know and would not offer an opinion on that. But I do wonder.

[WinkyDink]

19. So you think all Whites who are appalled at police brutality against Blacks are mere poseurs? Ever

heard of Goodman and Schwerner?
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmjustice4.html

[shaayecanaan]

24. No. But I think that people who seriously consider that

the recent police killings were some sort of false flag conspiracy by the NYPD are complete wankers.

For the record, I support cameras and video surveillance of police officers, special prosecutors or specialist agencies to investigate killings by police, and federal investigations of police departments that exhibit clearly racist behaviour.

But I tend to think that the most important factor is that a lot of communities are 20% poorer than they were a generation ago, and that raising the minimum wage is the single best thing that can be done for many troubled communities.

[socialist_n_TN]

45. They ain't going to get those economic benefits under capitalism....

Says the son and grandson of a fucking sharecropper. I'm NOT a bourgie liberal and never have been and I STILL don't think that some roid raged dickhead with a badge, gun, and a license to kill that James Bond would envy has a right to take away ALL of my rights or anybody else's rights on a whim.

[sabrina 1]

81. The very fact that so many people suspect them

is because they have lost the trust of the people, mostly due to their own behavior.

And their cynical attempt to connect the tragic killings of those two cops to the protests is just shameful. And it shows how far they will go to try to silence the public about the killings of unarmed young Black citizens.

If they want respect, they need to earn it. But frankly I doubt they want it, they are happy to view the public they are supposed to protect as the enemy.

There ARE good cops, but they dare not speak out in many cases.

[Rex]

108. Yes we must be fake liberals. That or we just hate cops right?

What pisses me off most is that I am very pro-law enforcement, but watching people say I am just pretending to care is disgusting.

Is it really to much to ask that ALL of us must be forced to follow the laws? THAT is the real issue here. Nobody gets any special favors. We all are equal under the law.

[WinkyDink]

111. I, too, am pro-law enforcement. But as you say, not for what used to be rogue cops but are now

seemingly "normal."

Well, give a man a military weapon, scare him with "terror" talk, and we all look like the proverbial nail to his hammer.

[Rex]

143. You got that right.

We are the problem and the cops are the solution...in their eyes.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. I'll choose "pathetic" over "shut up".

[Logical]

25. LOL, after reading your post, I am REALLY glad you are not doing it. Clueless. nt

[valerief]

26. Social problems we have today--like police who shoot first, ask later. nt

[Rex]

27. You probably also get mad when others mention sheeple.

[uppityperson]

30. are you really telling people to sit down and shut up about police brutality and racism?

[Go Vols]

31. High School in the '90s?

I thought we were all old here.

[reddread]

36. but we dont know half of what some ignorant kid brought up in post Reagan/Bush America knows

[nomorenomore08]

96. Hell, that was *elementary school* for me!

[snooper2]

127. Yeah, OP got that part wrong should have been the 70's LOL

I think DU is at least 45% white women over the age of 55


We need another poll

[Boreal]

35. This is satire, right? nt

[BeyondGeography]

77. I think he's mostly angry at baristas who wear tight black jeans

[TBF]

38. Respect ma authority!

[hobbit709]

39. I was saying "Fuck the police" in 1968. Where were you?

[seveneyes]

40. There is one more thing, at the very least

Edgy has borders, open, not so much. We must contain the the borderlines, yet constraint the unrestrained.

[KingCharlemagne]

41. I'll tell you what is more pathetic: seeing an unarmed 18-year-old black man gunned down in

broad daylight by some steroid-crazed white pig operating under color of the law, then having the judicial system rubber-stamp that extra-judicial execution and not having the federal government that I pay taxes to every year landing in that local jurisdiction like a ton of bricks and sending some motherfuckers to jail. That's fucking pathetic. Oh yeah, and your copologist post.

[uppityperson]

73. +++

[tblue37]

93. +1,000,000!! nt

[snooper2]

155. The KING has spoken!

anyway- back to our fact of the day-

Did you know Charlemagne keep the left eyebrow of pagans that wouldn't convert so they got slaughtered? He used to rub them on that jesus sword he stole

[uponit7771]

158. +1

[NuclearDem]

42. Well, that was dumb.

[lumberjack_jeff]

43. Recommended.

Not because I entirely agree, but some punchbowls are just begging for turds.

Most cops go in with the idea that they're protecting and serving, but a steady diet of hate takes a toll.

That is not an excuse for the bad apples and the code which protects them, but it is context.

[GeorgeGist]

44. Well OK then.

[JaneyVee]

46. <~ This white female bourgie Liberal...

Grew up soul crushingly poor and on more than one occasion dumpster dived for food as a kid. I've been beaten by the NYPD at past protests during Bush and harassed at recent protests. I co-founded an activist group that was infiltrated and dismantled by the NYPD and FBI and tore apart long friendships and years of hard work for no reason at all. Now I have a lucrative career making great $$$ and am absolutely disgusted and offended that the NYPD has declared war on NYC residents because of one crazy person, especially considering my tax $$$ pays their salaries, and appalled at their attempts to subvert our Constitutional right to protest by daring to link that terrorist POS with recent protests. Protests which I have actively attended. The police brutality needs to end.

What have you done for your country lately?

[Union Scribe]

47. Who are you trying to impress

with that little show?

[bhikkhu]

49. There's little more inspiring than people of all sorts coming together to protest injustice

its not "anti-police" to ask for the rights of all people to be honored, for unarmed people to not be killed, and for people of all sorts to be treated with the respect the constitution guarantees them.

I don't pretend that being a police officer is an easy job, and I'm as glad as you are that I'm not the one doing it, but I don't think its anti-police at all to ask for good and equal treatment. It certainly shouldn't be, and if there were more trust, the job would be an easier one. Trust isn't difficult for me, as I've always been treated well (white, honest looking, given the benefit of the doubt even when I didn't deserve it). I wish everyone could say the same.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

50. Oh goodie, another hard-on for white hipsters OP.

I *never* tire of those.

I'm glad it's not you doing it, either.

[Jesus Malverde]

109. It's the skinny jeans...

gets em every time. Like moths to a flame.

[Quantess]

141. Skinny jeans are a mainstream clothing staple in 2014.

Skinny jeans are hardly the mark of a hipster.

Besides, i bet a lot of these "bourgies" the author is trashing are wearing Mom Jeans.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

148. That'll do!

But when I think of skinny jeans, I think of Howard Wolowitz in Big Bang:



Oh, look, blipsters!

http://www.theroot.com/photos/2009/05/black_hipster_fashion_from_brooklyn_to_brick_lane.html



Ah, the things you learn thanks to DU.

[jwirr]

51. I guess that I can continue to support the anti-police protests then because my white family

did welcome the homeless in the 60s. We did work in the civil rights movement and did more than wear a shirt to school. And I guess that JFK and RFK should both have turned their backs also. Because they do not fit your description either.

I also do not think that it is a good thing that two policemen got killed and I hope it stops now but I doubt it will.

Your attitude toward white supporters of the civil rights movement now and then has some thing missing IMO.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. Except, of course, people who go around on Dem websites calling people 'white bourgie liberals'.

Welcome to ignore.

[kcr]

54. Glad you're not doing it, either.

That's one less problem to deal with.

[UTUSN]

56. You said it for me. Thanks. n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

58. talk all the bullshit you want - but most cops are still sociopaths and you know it!

[seveneyes]

59. Been there, done that, got the release without prejudice

Sometimes you have to do what is needed to survive.

[Scootaloo]

60. Seriously, Shaayecanaan?

I think you're running up a straw man with the "reaping what they sow" statement. There's a difference between saying the killed cops "deserved it," and pointing out, as many have done, that we shouldn't be surprised when, after all the killings nad lack of indictments, someone decides to take out some police officers.

That doesn't make that person right, or a hero - it makes them a murderer. But no one should be surprised by the fact this is beginning to happen.

[nomorenomore08]

98. +1000

[shaayecanaan]

114. No issue there

and I would never criticise the local reaction to events in Ferguson. Those people are authentically angry. In the abstract, I don't even mind rioting, although to be fair those riots land predominantly on the shoulders of local business owners and tend to destroy what little civic backbone these communities have left. Ideally, there should be riots in the preppy white suburban enclaves that are the primary beneficiaries of this system (bring the war home, the Weather Underground used to say) but that would take a lot of buses and other logistics and is probably not feasible.

I had no issue with Occupy. I sent money earlier on. Its probably worthwhile noting that Occupy never wallowed in anti-police sentiment, at least early on when the anarchists and socialists were in charge. They made it clear that they considered the police part of the 99%. Eventually, however, the Daily-Show liberals took over with their North Face duck-down parkas and iPads. They always do.

To employ a certain allegory, it reminds me of the rich, college-attending kids with their draft deferments who used to chant baby killer at the working class stiffs who were press ganged into service in Vietnam, when all the while their mommies and daddies grew rich off their investments in Boeing and KBR.

These people are not interested in change. They want to assuage their guilt, polish their lamps as the champions of the downtrodden. At least until they reach a certain age, and then they don't even pretend to give a fuck anymore.

[RiverLover]

62. So, I guess you're really good at making friends.

Speaking of friends, I'm friends with a couple, nicest people you'll ever meet. The wife is a teacher for special needs kids and her husband, who's a volunteer youth coach & avid kayaker, is a cop. They're a blast to hang out with. They have 4 rescue dogs & grow the most unique fruits & veggies in their yard...

He's truly an outstanding person, and he totally downplays the dangerous positions he's put in every single day.

He also understands the outrage at police murdering unarmed black men & kids. He gets my outrage...

I just don't get your outrage here, at us? Because we're white, we're not supposed to care & if we do, we're what? What? "White bourgie liberals"?

Its one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And btw, you spelled 'bourgeoisie' wrong.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

91. Bourgies, booshies, boughetto... can't we all just get along?

The OP likely spends a lot of time on urbandictionary and Twitter, then brings it to DU. Aren't *we* lucky?

[7wo7rees]

101. Well said. n/t

[KT2000]

63. Ugly comment

and over the top.
You use a broad brush to paint the DU community - inaccurately I might add. Your post really is an attack. Why even post here as there are other sites where you would obviously feel more comfortable.

[PumpkinAle]

64. Beg to differ

the police are not the police of even 20 years ago - they are now poorly trained, inept, dishonest thugs who happen to wear a uniform and carry a gun.

I used to respect police officers (I was one for four years), not now. I have been on the receiving end of their lack of professionalism and "I wear the uniform so stfu" - I did nothing wrong, except be perceived to be someone else.

I am also glad you are not a police officer because your pre-conceived ideas are part of what is wrong with many PDs.

For police departments to become responsible and respected they need to self-police, get rid of the corrupt and receive better training and hire better recruits.

[KT2000]

86. +1

[Kalidurga]

68. I think this post is

more pathetic than a bunch of white bourgie liberals spouting anti-police sentiment. I hung out with many that might be this type at the Occupy protests, I wouldn't know which ones were and which ones weren't we didn't exactly talk about how much money we were or weren't making, we didn't make it personal that way. We talked a lot about the injustice that happens in our country everyday and how banks are completely corrupt, how politics are corrupt, and how local PDs are nothing more than the strong arm for the 1% even if they help out other people on occasion. To protect and serve my ass.

[Coventina]

72. Bourgie? Don't lecture using words you clearly don't understand.

[Demit]

74. I can think of a lot of things more pathetic.

I've certainly seen better writing.

[JEFF9K]

78. Seems like everyone involved is playing the race card ...

including you.

There are issues that need to be discussed and resolved; and it can be done without even mentioning race!

[TheKentuckian]

90. Real easy for those least likely to be abused, jailed, or slaughtered to be color blind.

Motherfuckers didn't have a bit of trouble seeing color for 400 years of slavery, or a hundred years of Jim Crow, or apparently to this day when it comes to "animals", "thugs", who is in jail, who gets stopped and frisked, who gets longer sentences, who gets the death penalty but now motherfuckers are color blind?

BULLSHIT!

[hatrack]

83. Wow, I didn't know they MADE straw men this big!

Cool post, bro!

[Coventina]

85. OK, you win this thread!!

[Hekate]

103. I agree, that was a DUzy

[hatrack]

133. I met a traveler from an antique land, who said, "Two vast and trunkless legs of straw"

Stand on the Internet. Near them on the strand,
Half sunk, a rotting straw bale lies, chopped down,
And stinking kelp, and beer cans full of sand
And rhetoric so tragically misread
Show that the author didn't know a thing,
The keys that clattered and the brain so dead:
And on the OP line these words appear:
"My name is Trolololo, Snark of Kings:
Look on my works, DUers, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that flatulent post, pointless and bare
A hundred-plus responses stretch far away.

[SomethingFishy]

88. Keeping a lid on poverty, unemployment and homelessness...

Trash.

[Maedhros]

89. ...And the inevitable Authoritarian Apologist Screed.

Straight to the ignore list.

[Alittleliberal]

92. Congratulations

You have posted the only thread I have seen in over 5 years of everyday viewing that sickened me enough to ignore you.

[tblue37]

94. We need the "unrec" button back. nt

[WorseBeforeBetter]

149. And a group dedicated to those *traumatized* by hipsters.

Poor darlings.

[McCamy Taylor]

97. There is. A bunch of working class whites voting against unions in order to show solidarity with

their rich white bosses. I consider that much more pathetic.

[donheld]

99. .

[AuntPatsy]

100. limited knowledge.....tends to happen when one thinks without thinking it all through....

[Jesus Malverde]

104. A get off my lawn post

[Rex]

107. Actually there is: a drone like creature that never questions authority.

Much more pathetic by miles.

[JI7]

110. Why I don't like the term "white privilege"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024544941

i wonder if the op feels the same way towards those who protest and boycott israel over treatment of palestinians.

[RedCappedBandit]

112. I like how you twist anti-police brutality into just anti-police

Ergo, your entire argument is invalid.

[Feral Child]

113. It seems you achieved your objective.

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One DUer got a hide over this flame-bait. Not much of a result, but you can brag over at your true home about your "stealth mission" at DU.
Your final line? I'm glad you're not doing it, also. There are certainly enough thick-headed morons with a hard-on for liberals and minorities and panic in their chicken-shit hearts out there already.

EDIT:

I've checked your profile and realized that you're not a Neo-Confederate posing as a Democrat to disrupt, so I deleted that taunt.

After checking you out, I remembered (from my days as a civil-servant) the slang term for a politically-connected patron of a NYPD cop. Are you familiar with that term? It identifies you and your intent with this OP very succinctly.

I am even more dismayed by your post now, but I'll save my sarcasm. Anything I have to say to you would be rationalized, subsumed by your affiliation.

My first two paragraphs stand.

[forthemiddle]

115. Bravo!!!!!!

[Darb]

122. Big fan of strawmen and cliche'?

Please, that was incredibly weak sauce.

[Jesus Malverde]

135. I'm thinking tight rope walkers..

the wallenda of DU3

[H2O Man]

117. oh

[ChoppinBroccoli]

118. The Only Thing More Pathetic.......

.....is a bunch of anti-big government sheep bleating in favor of Big Government's hired muscle.

[Darb]

119. Simpleton, rightist, cliche' bullshit.

And mighty weak sauce.

[CTyankee]

121. But the shooter in this case was obviously insane. In this case I ask why he was never treated

and perhaps institutionalized. Sounds like neglect and that is rooted in social evils such as poverty. That and the prevalence of so many guns in our society make for a dangerous combination...

[Township75]

123. If you listen to rage against the machine the you get some cred even if you are a white liberal

Going to college and all.

Sarcasm.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

150. That would be Paul Ryan.

[Demsrule86]

124. It is a hard job

and not for everyone....so if you can't protect and serve but need to beat, maim and kill then quit the job because we are fed up with your behavior and at some point ...you are going to jail where you belong.

[leftynyc]

126. Nothing more pathetic

than insulting an entire group of people - most of whom see an injustice and want to help - even if it would be easier to simply ignore it because it doesn't effect their lives. Why the fuck should they get involved if some schmuck is going to insult them for it? You whole post is disgusting.

[LeftishBrit]

128. OK - as another non-American, I'm going to say what the Americans have refrained from saying

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This is an area where the situation in America is very different from that in many other countries; and where non-Americans need to be very careful about passing broadbrush judgements.

You're in Australia; I'm in the UK.

In both our countries, the majority of police are not armed, and killings by police are much, much rarer than in America.

For that matter, far fewer citizens in our countries are armed.

Neither of us can fully understand what many Americans are having to deal with here, and why they are so afraid and angry. But we can imagine some of it. We should not be equating all protesters and critics of the police with 'hipster baristas' jumping on the latest fashionable cause.

I fully agree that people, who think that we can ever conquer the world's or any country's social problems without dealing with poverty as a major cause, have got their heads up their rear ends; and that in particular that can't be left to the police. I also agree that anyone who gloats over the murder of police is just as bad as someone who gloats over the murder of anyone. But that doesn't mean we can't criticize the violent actions of some police; and especially it doesn't mean that we foreigners, who are lucky enough to live in countries where police violence is far less of a problem than in the USA, should be telling Americans not to get angry over police violence.

[nomorenomore08]

162. Thank you. Best post of the thread.

[Jesus Malverde]

163. Good observations...nt

[kentuck]

164. Well said, bloke...

If no one criticized the police, they would do a much better job at protecting our communities...
Do you agree??

Or would the power of all the weapons they control ever go to their heads?

There are violent people out there that the police must encounter from time to time.

But the question that arises is: How much power should the police use in controlling the suspect or violent criminal? Is the first rule, "kill them before they kill you"? Anytime it appears to be so, the people have retained the right to criticize.

As it is with all our government. That is our first amendment right.

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

129. War On Drugs, Quotas, Lawsuit Proliferation

There are so many reasons why the cops have seemingly become the enemies of the people.

I was watching CNN last night, and one of the guys being interviewed (sorry...don't remember his name) said that policing today is not at all like it was a few decades ago.

Back then, a cop could come across a fight in the park, step in, break it up, and let participants go. A little cajoling the participants, a little good will here and there... He could use his personal judgment to determine if he thought things would escalate. Now, he's supposed to follow some stupid standard police protocol. (And while he didn't mention it, I bet that is followed by lots of paperwork, as well. ) CYA.

Imo, when public policy doesn't allow for "gray areas," I don't think the police force is going to attract folks who can see "in gray," either.

[fredamae]

130. Liberals? Really? Please

enlighten us all with your credible evidence and other resources.

[randr]

131. I am sorry you have such a low opinion of your fellow citizens

and I would take issue with one part of your rant for your further consideration.
The so called "schlubs" whom you argue are charged with some sort of responsibility over our "poverty, homelessness, and unemployment" issues are in no way charged with these problems. They are sworn to serve and protect "we" the citizens of our Nation.
The issues, which I agree acerbate the situation our law enforcement personnel find themselves confronting, are the responsibility of all of us. It is our responsibility to ELECT people willing to face these issues and seek solutions based on humanity; not more oppression.
Poverty, homelessness, and unemployment are symptoms of an ill society. There are far more legal enforcement issues assigned to our policing agencies of far greater importance. The fact that not one Wall Street thief has been arrested other than the character that stole from Wall Street is a perfect example of misplaced law enforcement.
We have enough social problems and animosity between "we" the people; I would pose your post as an example. These issues "We" need to resolve outside of any police enforcement.
Let us try to resolve and fix the problems we face in a civil manner and in doing so we will help these poor "shlups" to perform their duties to the best of their abilities.

[kentuck]

132. Right-wing blather.

Some nut that shouldn't have had a gun killed a couple of cops. Stop the hypocrisy.

[joeybee12]

134. Interesting that you are the one telling people to know their place...

And are calling those people "bourgie"...I guess you didn't want to take the effort to spell this word out...anyway, you have displayed elitism at its finest.

[tenderfoot]

136. There is nothing more pathetic that someone posting utter bollocks on message boards.

Your oh-so-edgy commentary fails on so many levels that is it not worth the bother addressing.

Have a nice day.

[justiceischeap]

138. Bourgeois definition... so you know what you're actually talking about

The bourgeoisie includes a historical range of socio-economic classes. As such, in the Western world, since the late 18th century, "the bourgeoisie" is a social class "characterized by their ownership of capital, and their related culture"; hence, the personal terms "bourgeois" (masculine) and "bourgeoise" (feminine) culturally identify the man or woman who is a member of the wealthiest social class of a given society, and their materialistic worldview (Weltanschauung).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourgeoisie

I don't think most people associated with the protests about police militarization and brutality could be further from bourgeois if they tried. You don't know the economic status of any DU'ers other than yourself or other people, including white people, protesting against totalitarianism--which is where this police authorianism is headed if left unchecked.

And just FYI, nine times out of ten, in America, by the time the police are involved, we've already gotten our "hipster barista arse's" whipped. The police serve the purpose of collecting facts after the crime has occurred when they are called upon. If some of us are lucky, they even catch the bad guy but more often than not, the people who need the police the most are often let down by them.

[Orsino]

139. I'm glad someone has the courage to speak to the *real* issue.

Hipsters, liberals and posers.

[Taitertots]

142. No matter how hard it is, it is no excuse for police criminality.

Your bias against the people complaining about police criminality is irrelevant.

[arely staircase]

144. Dickensian orphans, hungry kittens on a roof during a flood

a lot of shit is more pathetic.

[pnwmom]

145. What is pathetic is your own attitude toward progressives

of any race who have expressed concerns about grossly improper police behavior, which lately included the murder of a 12 year old with a toy gun. An OP like this doesn't belong on DU.

[Downtown Hound]

147. The overwhelming majority of police are Republican and vote that way

So yes, they do actually have a hand in creating poverty, unemploment, and homelessness, given that those things tend to spike during every Republican administration.

And then they maintain those things by putting millions of people in prison for non-violent crimes like drugs, making them unable to get good jobs and keeping the cycle of poverty and crime going on forever.

So guess what? If that's really the thing that you find most pathetic, you really need to get out more.

[dilby]

152. I am suprised this poster did not get tombstoned, they obviously do not repsect others on this site.

And using Liberal like it's an insult to boot.

[shaayecanaan]

159. I explained it a bit further upthread

To employ a certain allegory, it reminds me of the rich, college-attending kids with their draft deferments who used to chant baby killer at the working class stiffs who were press ganged into service in Vietnam, when all the while their mommies and daddies grew rich off their investments in Boeing and KBR.

[Arugula Latte]

153. Your misplaced supercilious outrage is duly noted.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

156. i am not white and i have never worn a fuck the cops t-shirt

and i am very concerned about racial disparities in arrests, killing, and overpolice of people of color especially African Americans.