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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 04:55 PM Dec 2014

The Rude Pundit - Our National Shame: Dick Cheney Is Still a Free Man Today

Let us say, and why not, that American civilians were taken by another country like, say, oh, hell, howzabout Russia under the pretext that they might have information about Chechnyan terrorist attacks. Let us say, and, really, why not, that those Americans were treated like the CIA treated the prisoners it held at black sites around the world, that they were waterboarded, forced to be nude in cold temperatures, slammed around walls, forced to act like dogs, put inside coffin-sized containers, sometimes folded into ones even smaller, and were sodomized with tubes shooting food into their assholes. Let us say that at least some of those Americans were guilty of no crimes other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time and that they knew nothing of any help to Russian intelligence.

Let's say that some former leader of Russia, say, Vladislav Surkov, went on national television in Russia to declare that what the Americans suffered, even the completely innocent ones, wasn't torture and that they would waterboard and use tubes to anally rape the Americans again. And, say, Surkov, who could surely be seen as being Vladimir Putin's Cheney in some ways, continued that the people who did the torturing were heroes and should be treated as such.

Well, this is a stupid game, isn't it? Because we know that we in the United States would be outraged, we'd be threatening, some in Congress would want us to do all kinds of crazy shit to punish Russia. We'd call them "barbaric," we'd call them "subhuman," we'd call them "monsters," and we'd demand that the people behind it be punished. And, indeed, we'd be right to do so. Scratch that. Once upon a time, we would have at least been right to do so. Now, we'd just look like fucking hypocrites, even more than usual, because we know what it looks like to have an ex-leader say such callous, inhuman things without regret.

There is no reason to go back over everything the Rude Pundit said about former Vice President Dick Cheney and his savage response to Senate's report on CIA torture last week. But in the wake of Cheney's epically narcissistic and nationally embarrassing appearance on Meet the Press yesterday, it's worth noting a thing or two.

- Nothing is torture, Cheney said, unless it is equal to putting a man in a burning building and making him call his children before he dies. That's his bottom line. If you didn't die horribly, you weren't tortured. Or, in another part, Cheney brings up how the North Vietnamese treated prisoners, saying that if our actions don't sink to that level or to ISIS's, it ain't torture. No one would have blamed Chuck Todd if he had paused for a second and then said, "Why don't you fucking die already, you sucker of demon cock?"

- Cheney wasn't even asked a question about the president before he tossed George W. Bush onto the war crimes barbecue (again). Todd asked Cheney, "Do you feel as if they (the CIA) were telling you what you wanted to hear?" Cheney responded that the White House was well-informed and, apropos of nothing, added, "The suggestion, for example, that the president didn't approve it, wrong. That's a lie, that's not true." Cheney is evil embodied, so he can hold a long goddamn grudge against the man who didn't pardon one of his friends.

- Being Dick Cheney means having no regrets at all. None. Cheney just doesn't give a fuck about anything but the greatness and rightness of the interrogation program. He doesn't give a fuck if innocent people were tortured. He doesn't give a fuck if they were ass raped with food tubes. He doesn't give a fuck about anyone who questions its efficacy. He doesn't give a fuck if you think the Iraq war was a fuck-up. He doesn't give a fuck if he contradicted what he said about Iraq twenty years ago. Cheney doesn't give a fuck.

- And the second Cheney said that he would do it all again the exact same way is the moment that Chuck Todd should have, Chris Hansen style, brought in cops or FBI agents to arrest him. Or Todd could have at least slammed Cheney against a wall, ripped off his clothes, dragged him down a hall, put him into stress positions, shoved a hummus-filled tube up his ass, and slammed him on a slanted board to pour water on his Gorgon face.

Because, see, what Cheney is saying, and what every Cheney apologist is saying, and what President Obama is saying by not prosecuting the torturers is that we will do it again. Maybe not now, but we're keeping it in our arsenal while we feign outrage. Why not? What's the penalty for officially sanctioned torture? Not a goddamn thing.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2014/12/our-national-shame-dick-cheney-is-still.html

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The Rude Pundit - Our National Shame: Dick Cheney Is Still a Free Man Today (Original Post) meegbear Dec 2014 OP
I disagree with one thing marym625 Dec 2014 #1
Truer words were never spoken. /nt alcina Dec 2014 #16
Todd would have to take it out of his Jeff Murdoch Dec 2014 #18
Ha! good one. n/t marym625 Dec 2014 #21
Shame is just a quaint out-of-date notion in the U.S. polichick Dec 2014 #2
Shame is only a Liberal notion. Bandit Dec 2014 #11
If Cheney went down, then so would Di Feinstein and various others with truedelphi Dec 2014 #3
OK, here is a question for the legal minds out there Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #4
Don't know. But bush/cheney is the first "presidential" team not to enjoy lifetime protection calimary Dec 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #5
Better wait for the piss to dry. Scuba Dec 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #12
The Eichmann remedy The Blue Flower Dec 2014 #6
The Pundit is smoking some good shit... malthaussen Dec 2014 #7
I blame everyone who voted for Cheney and his puppet Dubya Skittles Dec 2014 #10
Would it be considered tortue if we held an eyedropper of water over Cheney's electric heart and world wide wally Dec 2014 #13
Cheney has a human heart now. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #14
I don't know what kind of heart he has, but if we fly our flags at half mast when it gives out... world wide wally Dec 2014 #17
It was a first. A hyena heart; perfect match. The jackal heart was rejected. olegramps Dec 2014 #19
Freaking perfect Rudie malaise Dec 2014 #15
K&R! Way to go, Rude! nt Enthusiast Dec 2014 #20

Jeff Murdoch

(168 posts)
18. Todd would have to take it out of his
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:28 PM
Dec 2014

mouth first. And I don't think that is going to happen any time soon.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
3. If Cheney went down, then so would Di Feinstein and various others with
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:16 PM
Dec 2014

that coveted "D" after their name.

So until the Democratic leadership shows the willingness to take their lumps on this, it wouldn't happen during periods of time when the "D"s have the votes in both the House and the Senate.

The best shot we had on this was the time period of Jan 20th 2009 to Jan 20th 2011.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. OK, here is a question for the legal minds out there
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:17 PM
Dec 2014

It is a crime to assault, or even threaten to assault, the President, Veep, or elected official.

Threaten to kill the president or even throw a shoe at him and it is going to go badly for you.

But what about EX-presidents and Veeps? If Chuck Todd was suddenly possessed by the spirit of human decency and gave Darth Cheney a biff on the hooter, would he be guilty of anything more than simple assault and battery?

calimary

(81,521 posts)
8. Don't know. But bush/cheney is the first "presidential" team not to enjoy lifetime protection
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 06:17 PM
Dec 2014

from the Secret Service. That privilege terminated at the end of Bill Clinton's term. That particular pissant GOP-driven Congress moved to end it. I think they were just so mad that they couldn't get rid of Bill Clinton even by trying to impeach-and-remove him that they did this out of spite. But then - beauty of all beauties - it wound up not applying to him. Bill Clinton is the last former President to enjoy lifetime Secret Service protection.

I found that exquisitely fitting! Just understanding what I do about the CONS, I'd bet they did this trying to smack him around just once more, simply out of spite. And they failed. Yeah, they got it through alright. But the first time it took effect, it wound up happening to one of THEIRS. Sometimes justice is where you find it.

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The Blue Flower

(5,446 posts)
6. The Eichmann remedy
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:41 PM
Dec 2014

There's a whole world out there and someone, somewhere will deal this anal carbuncle his due karma.

malthaussen

(17,217 posts)
7. The Pundit is smoking some good shit...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 05:51 PM
Dec 2014

... if he can imagine Chuck Todd doing anything other than genuflecting in Cheney's direction. But he's certainly right in saying that every day that Dick Cheney goes without being indicted is another day of shame for this country.

-- Mal

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
13. Would it be considered tortue if we held an eyedropper of water over Cheney's electric heart and
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 06:53 PM
Dec 2014

just let it drip until something happened?

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,345 posts)
14. Cheney has a human heart now.
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:03 PM
Dec 2014

Much to the chagrin, I'm sure, of some third world teenager who was still using it.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
17. I don't know what kind of heart he has, but if we fly our flags at half mast when it gives out...
Mon Dec 15, 2014, 07:22 PM
Dec 2014

we suck even worse than I think we do right now

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