I just heard something that makes me madder than hell!

[Stargazer99]

A 3 yr old boy died at the hands of his baby sitters...his mother was working
you conservative jerks that care very little about the poor, working poor and the vunerable
I am of the age where I remember the father/husband made enough money to allow the mother to stay at home and care for the children and older relatives...if they could do it then...why not now? WE know why some damn capitalist might not have increasing profits....to hell with human life as long as it isn't your child injured, killed or emotionally damaged, right? how in the hell do you call your selves human? much less Christian?
Recently you conservative Republicans cut food stamps which go mostly to children! and you have the nerve to call yourself human. Ayn Rand, the idol of many of the top Republicans, who believed who ever came out on top was all that mattered, no matter who it hurt or killed.
Don't give me this crap that not all cons are indifferent to human suffering, if you aren't indifferent why do you support the very party that constantly torments the poor and working poor?
This country makes me sick, torture, cut food to children and the recent insult to the poor..cutting Pell grants to pay for Corporate tax cuts! I wish the United Nations try the Bushco group in international court, we tried the Nazi for the same damn lack of respect for human life. The US is excused????
When in the hell are you going to wake up...if you are still surviving the Republican conservative ideology...I remind you that you are next. When do you think the the rich are going to have enough? When they get finished with the common man do you think you are not next?

[appalachiablue]

1. You are so right. Cutting more food for the poor, Pell grants for college students to try to

satisfy the endless right wing GOP lust/addiction for money in the richest country in the world. It never stops with them, no shame. And Dem. leaders need to be much stronger. I don't know what it will take for us to mobilize effective action but it may be coming. I hope so. We have no security, that's clear.
My father saw Germany in WWII as an Army officer, liberated Dachau Camp, then in the Occupation after the War. Awful things he saw. The men of that era are mostly gone, they were tough, civic-minded Americans. It's terrible now especially for the poor and vulnerable. I met Senator Clayborne Pell of Rhode Island, dignified older man in the early1990s. Liberalism and social values for the country were around back then.

[Doctor_J]

2. lots of dems voted for the food stamp cuts too, and the president lobbied for them

[Stargazer99]

7. That is your excuse for the tormenting of the poor

apparently you are not suffering,,,,you have no understanding....the only thing that will enlighten you is experiencing the same pain of the poor
The Democratic party is a poor excuse also but not as inhumane as a conservative

[Doctor_J]

14. er...no. it's my excuse for disliking dinos

[sabrina 1]

19. Yes, they did. Another one of those inconvenient truths

that some people are in denial about.

And I know someone who suffered as a result of those cuts, and his two children.

[REP]

3. Just a side note: opportunities for women sucked back then

It would be nice if one income - mother's or father's - could support a household, but back in those "good old days," women stayed home because it was damn near impossible for a woman to get a job that supported her, let alone meant anything to her. Not all women want to stay home; back then many women did it because that was expected of married women: stay home, have children. And poor/working class women often could not stay home in the "good old days," either; many had to work outside the home as well - whether it was taking in laundry or sewing, working in another woman's house, or in a factory.

I do understand what you're saying, but let's not pretend those were particularly "good" old days.

[Stargazer99]

8. My comment was that 1 income would support a family then

when two people have to work and the children are not cared for or safe something stinks in this nation.
A single mother has to leave her children in a questionable situation because she has no choice....because this damn country could care less about a person because they cannot pull from the system basic needs

[REP]

11. My comment was that poor and working class women have always had to work outside the home

In addition to middle class women staying home because there wasn't much else for them to do

[forthemiddle]

13. "Back then"

Back then houses weren't Mc Mansions. Most families had one car, not two. Kids didn't start Pre Kindergarten at age 3 (heck Kindergarten wasn't even a prerequisite of school, and they were all 1/2 days). Families didn't have cable, internet, and cell phone bills that amounted to hundreds of $$$ a month.

Take all of those things away, take away eating out a few days a week. Go back to a single family, kids share a bedroom home and I bet a whole lot more Moms (or Dads like my neighbor) could stay home.

This does not take away the point of food stamps cuts, but it does point out that stay at home Moms are not a structure of todays society because families want more "stuff" in life.

[raccoon]

29. THANK YOU. I have pointed this out before, and it seems to fall on deaf ears. nt

[raccoon]

21. And in those days, if her husband beat her, she was SOL. Unless her family was VERY supportive.

Thank you for your post!

[AnalystInParadise]

4. Maybe she wanted to work

and not be stuck at home with her kids?

[bravenak]

5. That's my personal fantasy.

One day. I'll get back out there. Kindergarden coming up next year. Yay!

[AnalystInParadise]

6. Well the best of luck to you.

I hope you reach your dreams sooner rather than later.

[Stargazer99]

9. So she would put her child in danger because she wanted to work?

You've never been a single poor mother, have you? Of course blame the poor this damn country is good at it.

[Stargazer99]

10. this means you put your child in a situation to be killed?

You have no understanding of what the poor go through, sounds like you have never had to face the nasty situation this country is so willing to do to the vunerable
Developed countries have decent child care for those who work and this country can't do it?

[REP]

12. You think this is a new thing?

One of the most horrific cases of children being abused by a caretaker happened in 1965-1966. Gertrude Nadine Baniszewski tortured two children left in her care by their working parents, and killed one of them in an unspeakable way.


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Baniszewski

[AnalystInParadise]

15. How do you know

I am not poor? Because I disagree with you? Wow.

If she wanted to work good on her. Are you saying women shouldn't choose to work outside their home? What if she did not want her child in government child care? What if she were a poor Republican that did not like Big government? I await your moving of the goalposts.

[Stargazer99]

16. The safety of your child is more important than one's desires

[Stargazer99]

17. Help me understand how a poor person is a Republican?

Who made you afraid of we the people?

[AnalystInParadise]

18. You are going to be fun around here

Are you actually saying Republicans can't be poor? You are amaze-balls, I await your every post with bated breath, you are either a great satirist or you actually believe this stuff.

[Stargazer99]

20. those in power are not poor

and I honestly do not understand how a poor person sees the Republican Conservative ideals
Ayn Rand, who is one of their chief idols was like an animal (who ever comes out with the most no matter how it is gotten is the winner)
Godless, unchristian and inhumane....so many conservatives I've talked to would pass a person being muirdered and not do an thing but will not admit that is exactly what they would do.....NOTHING...unless of course it was one of their own.

[AnalystInParadise]

24. Please continue your hyperbole

No Republicans are poor, and conservatives would watch people being murdered all day long and do nothing.

I am unsure if I should laugh at your comedy or pity your general disassociation from reality. Are you going to also tell the tall tale of how all people who disagree with you eat babies?

[REP]

25. Poster also conveniently ignores that poor women have always worked outside the home

Poor and working class women rarely have ever have had the luxury of being able to choose to stay home. Food stamps and other programs lessen their burden somewhat (not enough!), but in the "good old days," the poor, working class, widows, those with imprisoned spouses, etc had no choice but to work. Sort of like today. And even back then, horrible people did hideous things to children; we just didn't hear about every single one as we do now with our improved communications and endless new cycles.

[Iris]

27. This - "Developed countries have decent child care for those who work and this country can't do it?"

Because even under the best of circumstances years ago, a woman who stayed at home put herself in a vulnerable financial situation. You are right, Stargazer99, good childcare should be available to any woman who wants or needs to work.

[LanternWaste]

22. What a creative story you've invented.

What a creative story you've invented... it certainly is one way to rationalize what happened.

[AnalystInParadise]

23. No less creative than the original post

And it is stunning to see your comment from someone with a C.S. Lewis quote as their signature.

[elleng]

26. I worked after my daughters were born,

I wanted to work, our sitters were and are fine people, and we're still friendly with our sitters. I'll say nothing more on this subject.

[Iris]

28. Nor should you have to. We should be beyond this by now.

How in the world has the idea of removing the ability for half the population to be economically viable become the panacea to all the world's problems?