It's a good thing that we avoided a government shutdown

[Cali_Democrat]

Too many working-class Americans would have been out of work had the government shutdown. They have mouths to feed and children to clothe.

Sometimes you don't get everything you want and you might even have some bitter pills to swallow, especially when you don't show up to vote allowing right wing Republicans to dictate the Congressional agenda.

GOTV next time.

Lesson learned hopefully.

[blkmusclmachine]

1. If you liked today's massive sell-out, then you've got many more happy bi-partisan days to 2017!

[Cali_Democrat]

2. I didn't like it...

...but it's what happens when you let Republicans win elections.

Had this vote been kicked to the next Congress, it would have been an even bigger stink burger.

GOTV...

[Andy823]

35. You are exactly right

I was listening to Cspan for awhile earlier and heard of a lot of really good things the were in the bill, things democrats wanted. Now i agree it was a chicken shit thing republicans did by sticking in the part letting banks go back to doing what they did before, which led to the Bush recession, but as you said it would have been much, much worse if it were kicked down the road when republicans would be in charge of both houses, and they could put all kinds of crap in there the democrats would hate along with what they already hat in this bill.

Sadly many here will not admit that, or don't have a clue as to how republicans actually work. This was bad, I admit, but not nearly as bad as what a new bill would have been after the first of the year.

When only around 38% or so of voters turn out to vote, and the majority of those who did turn out were republicans, what can we expect. Voting matters and if we had gotten voters out to vote, this would not be happening. I am not happy with what was done, at the last minute so the poison pills could not be discussed or voted on to be removed, but I am even more unhappy with the voters who didn't bother to think just how bad things were going to be when democrats lost.

[Marr]

3. You're just trolling now. /nt

[d_b]

5. this

[QC]

13. Always. n/t

[Jesus Malverde]

25. "Lesson learned hopefully."

Schooled by a master.

[99Forever]

27. Yup.

[Doctor_J]

37. that's all that one ever does.

[whatchamacallit]

4. Yay the silver lining of a shit-brown cloud!

[lpbk2713]

6. Send thousands of workers home with no paycheck just before Xmas.

No politician on either side would want to associate their name
with something like that. It would be political suicide for sure.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Indeed

It's quite easy for folks to call for a government shutdown from behind a keyboard...especially if it doesn't impact them directly.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. You didn't read the comment, only the title.

No politician on either side would want to associate their name
with something like that. It would be political suicide for sure.

The commenter wasn't agreeing with you, was instead pointing out that he/she thought Congress would have stuck around until something else passed instead.

[Cha]

40. the republicons don't give a shit..are you kidding. They shut it down last year to the tune of $24

Billion$$$$$$.

[Wellstone ruled]

8. Three months down the road

everyone will just go oh well,and disengage from the debate,watch and see. We are a ten second attention span society.

[True Blue Door]

9. Elections have consequences, that much is unavoidably true.

But cowardice makes every bad situation far more dire.

[yeoman6987]

11. Democratic Party forgot they were in change on

November 5th. They still are in charge today but sure is not acting like it.

[madokie]

10. I don't think anything good ever comes out of republiCONs leading the way

and this seems to be a puke leading. I agree with the mouths to feed and bitter pills to swallow though
Oh yes Lessons learned or at least hopefully so

GOTV

[Jamaal510]

15. Today's Republicans

damn near make you miss Republicans like Eisenhower. That was a true conservative who railed against the MIC, and I think he overall acted in the country's best interest despite some disagreements I have with him. It's hard to say the same about the GOP since Nixon, though.

[Doctor_J]

38. repukes have been getting their way ever since Obama moved into the white house

[Vinca]

12. I doubt the people who have their pensions slashed in half will be too happy.

Merry Christmas long-suffering worker . . . you're screwed.

[NuclearDem]

14. You know what's worse?

Allowing the high risk trades that nearly crashed the economy six years ago.

A whole lot more people would be out of work then.

[Ykcutnek]

17. It's a good thing we GOTV for the Obama/Dimon 2012 campaign. nt

[Cha]

41. Bullshit.. they avoided a government shutdown.

[Jamaal510]

18. This year, I

Sometimes you don't get everything you want and you might even have some bitter pills to swallow, especially when you don't show up to vote allowing right wing Republicans to dictate the Congressional agenda.

think it was a combination of voter apathy, gerrymandering, and voter ID efforts that paved the way for the wingnuts to win. But I'm surprised that they agreed again not to shut down the government. Something's up.

[Rex]

19. So it was worth it to lose the working classes last remaining pensions? I don't think so.

What about people about to retire and now will have their pension dissolved by a company, because it is perfectly legal or will be soon? Why would you pretend that everyone about to potentially suffer the loss of their nest egg, didn't vote? Not very clever.

Why did they wait to the last second to pass a bill? GOTV really has no impact on reps if they are not going to do their job and let Wall Street own everything under the sun.

That is not productive to the country and they could have passed the bill long before now so talking about a shutdown is admitting to their failure at their jobs.

[former9thward]

20. Your reply does not have a single fact in it.

The pension provision was brokered by George Miller D (CA).

One of the most liberal members of the House. Its purpose is to try and save multi-employer pension plans -- those that unions, like the Teamsters, run -- not employers. Those plans are severely underfunded, due to mismanagement, and some may go to the PBGC -- the government agency which takes on failed pension plans.

If they go to the PBGC the maximum allowed is $12,870 after working 30 years -- this is far less than most of the pension plans pay. In this event most union members would lose at least half their pension.

The budget provision would allow pension cuts to keep them afloat so they won't go to the PBGC. This is the reason Obama is supporting it. The provision has nothing to do with plans employers run and does not affect them.

[Rex]

22. They are going to cut pensions that provide for millions of current retirees.

Sorry if you don't deal in facts, your spin is great but laughable.

[former9thward]

33. Fine, link to where "they are going to cut pensions

that provide for millions of current retirees."

You did not provide a single fact. I doubt you know what the issue is. For example the Teamsters Central States fund has five pensioners for every worker. That is totally unsustainable. They will go broke and when that happens there will be zero pensions for anyone current or retired. But I'm sure you will offer them advice behind your keyboard.

[joeybee12]

21. False...they would have simply passed a 3-month stopgap spending bill

Nobody would have been out of work or without a paycheck...but instead, Obama pushed for a PERMANENT, shitty bill..

[Rex]

23. Goodluck.

There will be some excuse coming shortly as to why it was needed to pass this bill at the 11th hour.

3...2...1

[neverforget]

24. This is pretty darn close

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025948311

See post #20

[joeybee12]

26. Oh yeah, the next one will be...

But then there will be more repukes voting and the bill will be even worse!

[geek tragedy]

31. And then what happens after 3 months?

Ted Cruz tactics weren't good for the country when it was Ted Cruz pushing them.

Congressional majority writes spending bills.

[Horse with no Name]

28. I'm sure those damned WIC recipients are thankful

since there was a drastic cut to that program. Good thing that children that needed food yesterday magically won't need that food tomorrow...isn't it is awesome how that works? With a stroke of a pen all of that food is gone! And in its place are gifts to millionaires. I am pretty sure these poor unfortunate souls would love to put a bow on THAT gift!

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. They gave away the whole store this time

The repeal of the derivatives separation is beyond "compromise." It basically sets the stage for a repeat of financial crisis, and puts us all on the hook for it again. It is a profound violation of the public trust, and Obama's campaign pledges.

You know I am accused of Obama cheerleaderism here more than most. Hell, I have most of the Obama haters on ignore. But this was fundamentally wrong and dangerous beyond description.

Obama is wrong to allow it, the Dems who vote for it are wrong, and you are wrong.

[geek tragedy]

32. This didn't allow prop trading in derivatives,

Only allowed banks to act as a b/d for customers.

So, the big issue of banks loading their balance sheets with crap assets is still disallowed.

[TheKentuckian]

34. Not near as many as another economic meltdown with many millions still reeling from the last one.

It is well past stupid to weaken too weak financial regulation at any time but just flat insane still in the shadow of the last collapse.

After just going through a meltdown that would have thrown us into another Great Depression save for the automatic stabilizers that we've managed to not completely eliminate it is unadulterated crazy talk to even think about whistling past this particular graveyard.

What you are advocating is economic treason for the express benefit of unreported and grossly enriched gangsters to the detriment of the people.

[SamKnause]

36. I voted in the midterms.

I called my Senators today and told them to SHUT IT DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!!

If they don't remove the entitlements for Wall Street I hope they SHUT IT DOWN !!!!!!!!

[PeteSelman]

39. The things we do to justify the Reaganistic tendencies of this party.

Enjoy getting fucked, it could be worse! They could be using a broken rusty pipe.

We move further right but that's ok because we didn't move further right.

We never get to stand on principle but the Republicans can do it all the time.

[Cha]

42. I'm glad they avoided a government shutdown and so are millions of others. We depend on the

government to exist.

But, I sure as hell am sorry that all those Dems sat home in 2010 and 2014 so we have to be subjected to these asshole demands.

"lesson learned"? I doubt it.. a $24 Billion shutdown didn't teach them the last time.

Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka
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GOP shutdown the government in 2013. Democrats still didn't turn out in 2014, yet want to blame President Obama for the hand they dealt him.
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http://theobamadiary.com/2014/12/11/a-tweet-or-two-186/

As someone on the link says.. (paraphrasing).. truly sickening how the gops got richly rewarded for their blatant treason by the voters and the non voters.

[ucrdem]

43. Looks like we're not out of the woods just yet:

"Senate breaks without vote on $1.1 trillion spending bill"

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/12/senate-breaks-without-vote-on-11-trillion-spending-bill/20341977/

Sigh.