So... good cops covering for bad cops is bad... but Obama covering for Bush...

[sibelian]

is good?

[grahamhgreen]

1. Big kick!

[roguevalley]

11. perfection in an OP I have to say. KICK into space!

[woo me with science]

40. [phone]

[840high]

18. Bigger KICK

[dissentient]

2. "It's best to look forward." "We must not look backward." I wonder how that logic would have worked

or looked during the aftermath of the Nazi era?

[grasswire]

4. it did come to work that way after WW2 for Japanese torturers

Some were prosecuted. Some were not, because the U.S. saw that it needed Japan as a trading partner.

[dissentient]

7. German Nazis didn't fare so well

It's important to hold people accountable.

[grasswire]

8. absolutely nt

[jakeXT]

10. Operation Paperclip

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

[roguevalley]

12. unless the nazis were rocket scientists. they even named a building

in the space center in texas after one. Ethics apparently really is situational.

[grasswire]

3. consistency is everything nt

[helpmetohelpyou]

5. You think all these black sites just disappeared when Obama took over?

[Scootaloo]

22. That's the notion that's been itching under my skin, yes

It's a fucking unsettling one, isn't it?

[helpmetohelpyou]

24. My belief is at least for the most part a lot of them did

but I also believe Obama leaves all options on the table if and when he needs them .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025947434

[sibelian]

29. Well...

...no.

[bigwillq]

6. Not good.

It's sad. But expected.

[grasswire]

9. what about Democrats covering for Obama covering for Bush?

How does that sit?

[840high]

19. oh-oh - naughty.

[sibelian]

28. YOU HATE DEMOCRATS! YOU SUPPORT RON PAUL!

YOU'RE A RACIST! YOU'RE A RATFUCKER! YOU'RE A LIBERTARIAN!

[DrDan]

38. you forgot "used car salesman"

[JoePhilly]

13. In business news ... Stock price of straw jumps 800%.

The growing straw-man industry is depleting straw supplies.

[Nevernose]

17. You seem to be confusing "analogy"

With "straw man."

[Raine1967]

21. So…

anytime I see an op that starts like this on, I expect straw.

Well stated, sir.

[treestar]

25. Yes. "Covering for?" Really too much.

ODS strikes again.

[steve2470]

39. +1 nt

[AverageJoe90]

14. I honestly don't blame you, but Obama seems to be genuine about this.

He really does believe that a lot of these folks were under extreme stress; I have no reason to think he's lying......

[grahamhgreen]

16. Who was stressed, the tortured or torturers?

[99Forever]

15. But... but but....

. REASONS!!!!!!!!!!


Or something like that.

[dflprincess]

20. It's different because

because well, you know, it is, it's different.

You never loved him.

[SoapBox]

23. Oh but on Newsmax today...

WHICH was running in the lobby at Mom's primary doctor office today (I was so ticked off...I wanted to ask to change it but only had to sit out there for about 10 minutes)...

All is Obama's fault...and he is just killing innocent persons willy-nilly with drones.

It all made me want to puke.

[marym625]

26. yes.

And up is down. Right is left. Dragons and people lived together, happily 6000 years ago when the world was created

[Dustlawyer]

27. I thought the Obama can do no wrong folks have taken the night off, but it looks like we have a few

trying tonight. He has done more good than most, but he always does what the PTB want. It's really ashame, he could have been one of the very best of all time despite fierce opposition. Sometimes I wonder if they threatened his family or something!

[gcomeau]

30. Is there *anyone* arguing here it's good?

Or is this just a silly straw man?

[sibelian]

34. So you think Obama's wrong to cover for the previous administration?

?

[gcomeau]

37. As far as I can tell *everyone here* thinks that.

They should be prosecuted. Obama should be directing the DoJ to pursue it.

[NYC Liberal]

31. Except Obama isn't "covering for" anyone.

Try better next time.

[sibelian]

33. Well *I* think he is.

Shall we put it to DU in a seperate post?

[MindMover]

32. McCain says we did not have the laws in place that said torture

was unlawful, so therefore this government will not go after the perps ... just sayin

[silvershadow]

35. I imagine he is trying to stay alive. The radical right is literally becoming more, not less,

unhinged by the day. I personally have feared for his life from the moment he was elected, and will continue to do so for obvious reasons. (Especially since some of the same actors surrounding JFK might still be alive and in the highest positions of power.)

That all said, he also might find his hand forced on the issue anyway, and truth be told, perhaps that was his plan all along. Pressure from the world will surely come to a head, and just in time for the new Congress.

Not sure how it might play out, but with all the radicalized nuts we have, just imagining one (or more) of their idolized heroes facing real prosecution or the threat of might be too much to keep one of them from snapping- hell, they're already making some attempts it seems with the fence-jumpers and the like.

I like the idea of Pres. Obama pardoning Bush, just so we can avoid inflaming the situation, as much as it pains me to say that. At least he would be laying the marker down for future Presidents, and Bush and the Republicans would have yet another well-deserved and proper historical stain on their record.

[Skittles]

41. TIGER BEAT LOGIC

yes, it is SICKENING