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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTime to learn how to weld and prepare for the second coming of Hoover economics.
Be a survivor.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)and finally finished my damned floor pans.
Most people need to learn basic home repair skills and how to change a fucking tire, not welding. Baby steps.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And pays good money.
Brother Buzz
(36,466 posts)That made me literally laugh out loud.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)It has a light side and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.
That chart would have to include 8 penny nails. Between the three products, my father kept our house and furnishings together. Nothing quite like sitting on a kitchen chair held together with huge nails and great swathes of duct tape.
I'm a big advocate of learning how to build, repair, sew, cook and farm/garden. It kept my mother's people in a comfortable (but not well-off) life during the Great Depression. Being only one generation removed, I learned the lessons of survival, though I didn't practice them as well as I'm trying to do now.
Brother Buzz
(36,466 posts)By Paul Preuss, paul_preuss@lbl.gov
August 17, 1998
BERKELEY -- You can keep your trouser cuff out of your bicycle chain with duct tape; if you need a money belt, you can use it to strap your money to your tummy. Some people claim they can cure warts with it. Unfortunately, one of the things you can't do with duct tape is seal ducts.
At least not for long, according to Max Sherman and Iain Walker of the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. For three months they tested a variety of sealing materials -- many kinds of duct tape, clear plastic tape, foil-backed tape, mastic, and injected aerosol sealant -- under conditions similar to those encountered in real heating, ventilating, and air-conditioning (HVAC) systems.
"We tried as many different kinds of duct sealants as we could get our hands on. Of all the things we tested, only duct tape failed. It failed reliably and often quite catastrophically," says Sherman, who heads the Energy Performance of Buildings Group in Berkeley Lab's Environmental Energy Technologies Division (EETD). "On the other hand, while duct tape may not last long as a sealant, in the short run it is strong, sticky, and fairly easy to use."
During World War II, before it was called duct tape, the U.S. military bought quantities of the cloth-backed, rubber-adhesive tape for making emergency repairs on the battlefield. In the movie business it's called "gaffer's tape," used for everything from bundling cables to holding sets together. Contractors, however, are not supposed to use it for structural purposes, such as suspending ducts -- although this legal stricture may often be honored in the breach.
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http://www2.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/duct-tape-HVAC.html
I call it Duck tape today, but back in my military days, Duck tape was called, "Pressure-sensitive tape".
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)call an electrician
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I would add a screwdriver to that.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Reminds me of my gigging days - the Rock and Roll Band's Essential Toolkit:
1. Duct Tape
2. Hammer
3. Screwdriver big enough to pry up a manhole cover
4. WD-40
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)I haven't laughed like this in weeks. Totally awesome
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I'm so stealing that...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The root causes of the economic crisis were never addressed.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)What are you a self-loathing Democrat now?
Why are you on Democratic Underground if you don't think ANY Democrat can address what YOU think is this "root cause"??? Sounds kinda like Left Leaning Independent malarkey to me!
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Actually I am quite certain you do not. But DO continue your spittle redistribution campaign. It's going splendidly so far.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)That spittle you see...comes from Left Leaning Independents trying to tell DEMOCRATS what to do!
CK_John
(10,005 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)for people.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Psephos
(8,032 posts)Figures.
I'd take one welder instead of 50 web developers any day.
Not only in terms of tangible productivity, but also of temperament.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)fire...
It'll never catch on....
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)You. Have. To. Recite. The. Party. Line. No. Matter. What. Do. Not. Think. For. Your. Self.
(It helps if you do it in a mechanical monotone.)
Psephos
(8,032 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)implying both parties are the same and "You. Have. To. Recite. The. Party. Line. No. Matter. What. Do. Not. Think. For. Your. Self. " at least IMHO.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the face of overwhelming evidence, not tied as tightly to Wall Street as any Republican has ever been.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Thom Hartmann makes a very good case for why the economy will collapse in 2016
http://www.thomhartmann.com/blog/2014/07/crash-2016-gets-closer-every-day
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and the banksters are already planning the next crash to finally and completely remove all cash from the government and the populace. After all, they're even bigger than when they were "too big to fail, too big to jail."
pampango
(24,692 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Although many people at the time and for decades afterwards denounced Hoover for taking a hands-off ("laissez-faire" approach to the Depression, a few historians emphasize how active he actually was. Hoover said he rejected Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon's suggested "leave-it-alone" approach, and called many business leaders to Washington to urge them not to lay off workers or cut wages.
Economist Murray Rothbard argues that Hoover was actually the initiator of what came to be the New Deal. Hoover engaged in many unprecedented public works programs, including an increase in the Federal Buildings program of over $400 million and the establishment of the Division of Public Construction to spur public works planning. Hoover himself granted more subsidies to ship construction through the Federal Shipping Board and asked for a further $175 million appropriation for public works; this was followed in July 1930 with the expenditure of a giant $915 million public works program, including a Hoover Dam on the Colorado River. In the spring of 1930, Hoover acquired from Congress an added $100 million to continue the Federal Farm Board lending and purchasing policies. At the end of 1929, the FFB established a national wool cooperative-the National Wool Marketing Corporation (NWMC) made up of 30 state associations. The Board also established an allied National Wool Credit Corporation to handle finances. A total of $31.5 million in loans for wool were made by the FFB, of which $12.5 million were permanently lost; these massive agricultural subsidies were a precedent for the later Agricultural Adjustment Act. Hoover also advocated strong labor regulation law, including the enactment of the Bacon-Davis Act, requiring a maximum eight-hour day on construction of public buildings and the payment of at least the "prevailing wage" in the locality, as well as the Norris-LaGuardia Act in 1932. In the Banking sector, Hoover passed The Federal Home Loan Bank Act in July, 1932, establishing 12 district banks ruled by a Federal Home Loan Bank Board in a manner similar to the Federal Reserve System. $125 million capital was subscribed by the Treasury and this was subsequently shifted to the RFC. Hoover was also instrumental in passing the Glass-Steagall Act of 1932, allowing for prime rediscounting at the Federal Reserve, allowing further inflation of credit and bank reserves.
Lee Ohanian, from UCLA, argues that Hoover adopted pro-labor policies after the 1929 stock market crash that "accounted for close to two-thirds of the drop in the nation's gross domestic product over the two years that followed, causing what might otherwise have been a bad recession to slip into the Great Depression". This argument is at odds with the more Keynesian view of the causes of the Depression, and has been challenged as revisionist by J. Bradford DeLong of U.C. Berkeley.
He was also a firm believer in balanced budgets (as were most Democrats), and was unwilling to run a budget deficit to fund welfare programs. However, Hoover did pursue many policies in an attempt to pull the country out of depression. In 1929 he authorized the Mexican Repatriation program to help unemployed Mexican citizens return home. The program was largely a forced migration of approximately 500,000 people to Mexico, and continued until 1937. In June 1930, over the objection of many economists, Congress approved and Hoover reluctantly signed into law the SmootHawley Tariff Act. The legislation raised tariffs on thousands of imported items. The intent of the Act was to encourage the purchase of American-made products by increasing the cost of imported goods, while raising revenue for the federal government and protecting farmers. However, economic depression had spread worldwide, and Canada, France and other nations retaliated by raising tariffs on imports from the U.S. The result was to contract international trade, and worsen the Depression.
Congress, desperate to increase federal revenue, enacted the Revenue Act of 1932, which was the largest peacetime tax increase in history. The Act increased taxes across the board, so that top earners were taxed at 63% on their net income. The 1932 Act also increased the tax on the net income of corporations from 12% to 13.75%.
The final attempt of the Hoover Administration to rescue the economy occurred in 1932 with the passage of the Emergency Relief and Construction Act, which authorized funds for public works programs and the creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC). The RFC's initial goal was to provide government-secured loans to financial institutions, railroads and farmers. The RFC had minimal impact at the time, but was adopted by President Franklin D. Roosevelt and greatly expanded as part of his New Deal. Hoover also encouraged Congress to investigate the New York Stock Exchange, and this pressure resulted in various reforms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hoover#Great_Depression
While many of Hoover's economic and fiscal policies were typical republican, it was amazing to me how many of his policies would have gotten him kicked out of the modern GOP.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Ignoring the salient truism that correlation is not causation, this is absolute hogwash. To wit, how exactly would 'pro-labor policies' cause a reduction in GDP (or a decline in aggregate demand for goods and services)? I tuned out right at that point.
pampango
(24,692 posts)two-thirds of the drop in the nation's gross national product ...".
Why he chose to put the role of the stock market crash in the collapse of GDP in the same sentence as "Hoover adopted pro-labor policies" after the crash is beyond me. I am far from an English major but that is terrible sentence structure.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)sweetapogee
(1,168 posts)by all means, learn to weld. And stock up on welding supplies and welder.
And after you do that, learn to hand load ammo. And stock up on gun powder.
And finally, learn how to distill whiskey. And stock up on supplies and get a still.
The person who does the above will be prepared for anything, for personal consumption or for use as barter currency.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)bluedigger
(17,087 posts)You could call it a learning experience. I don't really care how they look - I'm just worried about my ass hitting the road.
quaker bill
(8,224 posts)I am good with welding, engine repair, organic gardening, wood working, chemistry, analog electronics, and a pretty good botanist.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)vote them in and then wonder WTF. I swear, there's a brain eating virus in the US, Republicanitus.
Warpy
(111,351 posts)Does that count?
After all, people are going to need durable patches for all that sleazy clothing from big box stores.
appalachiablue
(41,172 posts)the 1932 Veterans Bonus Army encampments around DC that the US Army was ordered to gas, burn and breakdown after Hoover vetoed a bill to provide money for the certificates paid to soldiers for their WWI military service.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)have a point.